HomeMy WebLinkAbout1981/12/03 - Minutes - Adjourned DECEMBER 3, 1981
CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA
CITY COUNCIL MINUTES
Adjourned Meeting
1. CALL TO ORDER
An adjourned meeting of the City Council of the City of Rancho Cucamonga was
held in the Lion's Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, on Thursday,
December 3, 1981. The meeting was called to order at 7:08 pm by Mayor Phillip
D. Schlosser.
Present: Councilmen James C. Frost, Jon D. Mikels, Arthur H. Bridge, Michael
Palombo and Mayor Phillip D. Schlosser.
Also present were: Lauren M. Wasserman, City Manager/City Clerk; Robert
Dougherty, Assistant City Attorney; Lloyd B. Hubbs, City Engineer; Paul A.
Rougeau, Senior Civil Engineer; and Shintu Bose, Associate Civil Engineer.
2. ANNOUNCEMENTS
Set Public Hearing date for December 16, 1981 at 7:00 pm on Amendment to the
Industrial Specific Plan.
3. STAFF REPORTS
A. Status of Drainage Systems and Policies (1)
Staff Report by Lloyd B. Hubbs.
Mr. Hubbs stated the meeting was called to bring the Council up-to-date on
the Master Plan in the City, on several drainage issues, and key financial
considerations that are being considered on the County and City level to
finance drainage improvements.
He stated that the City has been working on updating the Master Plan for the
past two years and has been using the plan on a trial basis for the last six
to nine months.
Mr. Hubbs stated that he wanted to familiarize the Council on the issues and
to get a general reaction to the priorities for construction of drains to be
used in the ongoing discussion of the County Benefit Assessment Program. The
priorities will be taken back to the Advisory Commission this month and then
back to Council for final adoption and approval.
Mr. Hubbs showed slides of damage that occurred in the 1980 storms. The
Mayor made a comment on an article he read in the Daily Report about a pro-
fessor who was studying the weather by some new method. The report stated
that this would be a cold, wet winter.
Mr. Hubbs presented a map of the master plan of drains that is being done in
four parts: the master plan of storm drain covers mainly the western portion
of the City and is covered by the L. D. King Report and is the primary document
that the City wll be reviewing and going through tonight. Another part will
be provided by each planned community designated as Terra Vista and Victoria,
each have drainage plans that are hoped to be incorporated in the King plan
for adoption in mid-January. The Etiwanda area is currently undergoing the
specific plan and will likely required an update in their drainage plan. In
the meantime, the Moffat-Nicholl plan is being used.
Mr. Hubbs pointed to the master plan of storm drains and explained that it
has been broken down into nine sub-elements and briefly went through them.
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Mr. Hubbs stated the priorities being recommended to Council were presented
for information and preliminary comment. The order of priority and cost
estimates were listed: 1) Beryl storm drain which runs from Beryl to Hellman
which stops at the Cucamonga storm draim estimated at $1,175,000; 2) Hermosa-
Turner drains phase constructed from Foothill Blvd. to the north to the Alta
Loma outlet north of 19th that will cost $5,500,000; 3) Cucamonga storm
drain that will require some reconstruction which runs along the Pacific
Railroad tracks will have to be completed before the entire system can be
implented for $3,730,000; 4) next the Lower Hellman storm drain above Foot-
hill, San Bernardino Road on down to the Cucamonga Storm Drain through the
Cucamonga Channel for $3,000,000; 5) then to the Alta Loma Channel which will
be discussed later on for $3,000,000.
The Council was then asked if they had any comments on the priorities or ques-
tions on the master plan storm drain.
Councilman Frost asked Mr. Hubbs for clarification of first priority 2-1 and
2-F, that portion of Hellman south of where its called Beryl Canyon. Southern
Pacific Railroad at Hellman to north of 19th at Beryl is listed as 2-F a part
of 2-1 seems to be included. Mr. Hubbs stated that was true. Priority 1
includes a part of 2-1 from approximately Monte Vista south. The remainder
of 2-1 will be included in the priority 3 project.
Councilman Mikels commented that he noticed there was some deviation between
the priority lists made by Mr. Hubbs and the consultant's list on page 52.
Mr. Hubbs stated that the first list was Staff's recommendations and the other
is the constulant's. The reason there is a difference is because Staff's
recommendations are a broader brush priority in terms of using them in relation
to a benefit assessment program which would generate more money to build things
and would lend itself to larger projects. The consultant was thinking in
smaller segments, where the consultant has 4-Q, 4-C, 4-A broken out, we combin~~
them. The basic pattern of priorities is the same. In some cases, we have
shortened up reaches, particularly, around the Beryl section. In other areas,
we lumped together Hermosa into a larger group of projects. Basically, their
priority is the Beryl-Hellman system, the Hermosa system, the Lower Hellman
system. We have raised the Alta Loma Channel system from hills and then they
proceed with several drains that weren't covered in our priority.
Councilman Mikels said that one of the systems, referring to Line 2-32-B,
appears high on the consultant's list and is nowhere on Staff's. Mr. Hubbs
stated that a lot of that would be taken care of through condominium develop-
ment. Councilman Mikels asked if the development would line the channel from
the railroad tracks all the way down to where it drains across Baker Avenue.
Councilman Mikets described existing drainage course and requested clarifica-
tion of master plan improvements. Mr. Hubbs stated that the entire drain
would start at Red Hill and go all the way through Baker, include some con-
struction of Baker and Arrow to join up with the existing pipe drain in Arrow.
Bill Mann, of Bill Mann and Associates, gave a brief description of the natural
spring flow in the channel being discussed.
Councilman Mikels wanted more explanation on the pipe and flow of this stream.
Mr. Hubbs satifactorily explained what would be done.
Councilman Mikels wanted Mr. Hubbs to clarify the distinction between his
recommendations as compared to the ones on page 52, the consultant's priority.
Mr. Hubbs explained that on the consultant's list 2E and 2I would construct
all of the Beryl Drain, basically they have gone above Banyan. Staff is
saying that we don't need that upper portion of Beryl at this time. Staff
discontinued the project and moved over to Hermosa sooner. The Hermosa
priority is about the same - it's been broken down into pieces by the consul-
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tant. 6E is the lower Hellman Drain which is consistent with Staff's
recommendation. 3A is back up to a portion of the Alta Loma Drain. We've
pulled out some pieces of the Alta Loma Drain considering we could put the
whole thing together with a major project.
Discussion continued regarding the differences between the consultant's
priorities and Staff's.
Mr. Hubbs stated that the Terra Vista drainage system is still going through
the EIR process. The unique thing is the developers are attempting to divert
more flows from the Day Creek natural drainage area over to Deer Creek. To
accomplish this, they have to maintain the flows which were going into
Deer Creek historically. To do that, they are providing retention basins
which they envision using as parks when not being used for water storage.
This is an unique element, and we are in the process of reviewing it with
the developers to insure that those facilities work properly.
B. Day, Etiwanda and San Sevaine Creeks Study (2)
Mr. Hubbs stated that this item was discussed at the last Council meeting
and briefly went over it again. Before Council for consideration was the
final agreement with the County whether to enter into a cooperative agree-
ment to hire a consultant to do Phase II of the study on the Day-Etiwanda-
San Sevaine problem. Mr. Hubbs summarized the staff report and explained
the results of the Phase I study on Day-Etiwanda and San Sevaine Creeks.
Mr. Hubbs stated that the most important part of this study is financing.
One tool to finance this type of project is to form a Benefit Assessment
Program which generates a great deal of money on a regional basis and
develops enough funds to build major segments up front. Another way is to
develop joint powers authority among the four or five agencies, a governmental
body that has the ability to issue revenue bonds.
The County, Ontario, Rancho Cucamonga and Fontana wish to enter into an
agreement to fund Phase II. Mr. Hubbs recommended execution of the agreement
and commitment of $15,000 as the City's share of the contract.
Mayor Schlosser had some questions on page 5 and 6 about mutual cooperation
and working together on water resources with water departments. He stated
water should be conserved instead of sending it out into the ocean only to
have to bring it back.
Councilman Frost questioned the contract's plan whether to consider the
natural environment and economy of the area. He wanted to know the meaning
of a statement on page 4. Mr. Mann answered that the intent would be to
consider the environment. Councilman Frost asked for a clarification of
the statement on page 10, item C, "it is anticipated that 50 copies of the
plan and other report data will be billed at a cost to the District plus 15%".
Mr. Mann answered that this was a carry-over from another project and was
taken care of under budget Task 9 to cover printing: 15% will be taken
off. It was agreed that the contract should read, "anticipated 50 copies of
the report plan and other printed material should be billed to the District
at cost which is estimated to be at a budget of $800".
Motion: Moved by Mikels, seconded by Frost to execute that portion of the
agreement with the County to complete the Phase II to concur with the consul-
tant selected and to recommend to the Board of Supervisors that the contract
with the consultant be approved. Motion carried unanimously, 5-0.
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(3) C. Flood Control Benefit Assessment
Mr. Hubbs presented some background on the efforts of the benefit assessment
program.
Mr. Hubbs stated that the County has been working for three years on a
benefit assessment program. As authorized by State law, the County Flood
Control District can institute an assessment to construct flood control
facilities, if supported by a 50% vote. He informed Council that he wished
to review the proposal from the Zone 1 Advisory Committee which was outlined
in the Staff Report. Key elements that were approved by the Zone 1 Board
were (1) an April election, the first step to place before the voters a
flood control benefit assessment program, will be recommended by the Board
of Supervisors on Monday, December 7. (2) The basic residential assessment
should be $39 a unit. (3) It will be a 30 year program. (4) One-third
of the funds would go to flood control channels and two-thirds would go
back to each City as the money was generated for local storm drain needs.
(5) The Zone 1 Advisory Committee referred the basic benefit's formula back
to the Technical Committee to come up with a recommendation that will be
heard at the Monday meeting of the Zone 1 Board. (6) That Fontana be allowed
to include the portion of its City, which drains basically into San Sevaine
Channel that is in Zone 2, be included in the election and fund distribution.
The Technical Committee met last week to come up with a formula to present
to the Board. The basis criteria on that formula was to come up with some-
thing keyed into the $39 per resident that correlated strongly with runoff
coefficients and was fairly simple to understand for homeowners. The Technical
Committee cut down 5 categories that the County was using to 3 categories.
To do that, they combined vacant and agriculture categories. They also elimi-
nated multi-residential differences from single family homes basically to be
assessed on a per residence basis. They used a factor of 6 which is the average
number of dwelling units per acre in residential land, and multiplied by
acreage factor which was $234 per acre. The distribution of the commercial
and industrial and vacant were proportionate to the runoff coefficients. On
vacant lands coefficients resulted in an acreage charge of $23.40; on residen-
tial $234.00; and on commercial and industrial $702.00 per acre.
Mr. Hubbs stated that this was the basic program that would be heard on Monday
by the Zone 1 Board and they will set the election. There are still some
details and issues to be worked out, what drains should be listed on the
ballot, and how the ballot issues should be worded. This is the basic foun-
dation that will be proposed. Ail the cities will be hearing these same
issues and the County h~s been flexible in trying to satisfy each City. The
City of Montclair has given its formal support of the Zone l's recommendation:
they have not reviewed the formula at this point.
Councilman Mikels asked if the acreage charge of $234 on residential was
based on six dwelling units per acre? Mr. Hubbs stated that they got the
number from a computer printout from the County and in all the areas the
average is six.
Councilman Bridge asked if someone lives on one acre of land, its considered
residential. But what if, as in the Etiwanda area, someone lives on 10 to
20 acres of fallow land. Mr. Hubbs stated that the first acre would be
charged as residential and the rest as vacant. The same goes for industrial.
The developed acreage would be charged, and the rest charged to vacant. The
County is asking that the Cities determine the assessments on each parcel.
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Councilman Mikels asked for a clarification of Item No. 4 regarding the one-
third - two-thirds split. Mr. Hubbs responded that this was based roughly
on the County's needs. One-third generated would go to the County and the
two-thirds goes back to the Cities to do what they need to do. Councilman
Mikels asked if the County Board of Supervisors has a priority list of where
the money would be spent. Mr. Hubbs stated that they had generated a list
for regional drains and also a five year program for County drains that
were coordinated with jurisdictions. Councilman Mikels stated that he would
like to see a priority list from the County.
Councilman Frost said that everyone has their wish list. Two-thirds of the
money generated within incorporated areas will be returned to those
entities to spend as they wish for flood control or storm drain purposes.
The balance of the money will be spent anywhere within the Zone 1 area at the
Supervisors' discretion with the recommendation of the Zone 1 Advisory
Committee in incorporated or unincoporated areas.
Councilman Bridge asked if the distribution timing had been addressed at all.
Will it be distributed to cities a reasonable time after the tax bill has
been paid? Mr. Hubbs stated that those details hadn't been worked out yet.
Councilman Bridge stated that some of these things should be pretty concrete
before election. Councilman Mikels also agreed that these details should be
solved before it goes to the voters. He feels that important points haven't
been decided and set; that it is going to the voters too soon and that it might
fail. Mr. Hubbs stated that the Board felt that April was better than June
because of the peripheral canal and that right after the dead of winter would
be the best time.
The Mayor stated that it might as well go to the voters in April instead of
November because of interest rates, inflation, the economy, the County and
all the factors that are against you.
Joe DiIorio stated that fees for property on the mountain side went from $200
to $20,000. Property that was encumbered by utility easement or flood control
channels which is being charged for acres that are undeveloped. Then there
are those who own many acres and plan to never develop their property, so why
should they pay the fees. There are large landowners, like the railroad,
who don't plan to develop their land until the next century. How are these
problems to be addressed? Mr. Hubbs stated that most of these problems will
not be accentuated in the Zone 1 area. The railroad was against it because of
their owning large areas of land, but that was way out in the desert. The
other problems haven't been addressed yet. If the other land falls into vacant
land, they pay that rate. This formula is basically a recommendation and may
need manipulation in a lot of different directions. Mr. Hubbs stated that
these problems will be solved.
Councilman M±kels said that there has to be a formula made to solve all the
questions before City Council can give its support to have the issue to to
the voters in April. Mr. Hubbs said that many key issues will be solved by
the end of January when the ballot needs to be written and things can be changed.
Mr. DiIorio spoke again about the problems and stated that they should be
resolved before they go to ballot in April. He suggested that it wait for
another year.
Motion: Moved by Mikels, seconded by Palombo that the matter be studied further
with more details and a specific link between revenue raised and expenditures
developed; that election in 1982 not be considered. Motion carried unanimously
5-0.
Note: Councilman Palombo will represent Schlosser at the meeting on Monday,
December 7, 1981.
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D. Drainage Fees
Mr. Hubbs stated that with the adoption of a new plan and with inflation, there
is a need for a new fee. As stated in the Staff Report, engineering contin-
gency and overhead factors would increase the fee 25% to roughly $4,000/acre.
Mr. Hubbs asked for Council's recommendation to direct Staff to go ahead and
draft up the ordinance to make the changes at the time of adoption of the
plan. The current ordinance does not index the fees. It will be easier
rather than having to re-adopt every year to revise those ordinances and to
index those fees to Engineering New Records construction cost index. It
would be adjusted automatically each year. We have had the current
rate almost three years and its has not been adjusted for inflation.
Councilman Frost questioned indexing. Mr. Hubbs answered that it would be
easier to provide adjustments. Councilman Frost suggested that it would be
best to review the Ordinance annually in order to be reminded of the costs
involved. The fee should not be indexed.
Motion: Moved by Mikels and seconded by Palombo to direct Staff to draw up
the appropriate ordinances revising the storm drain fee to a level consistent
with the actual cost of the system. Motion carried unanimously 5-0.
(4) E. Special Drainage Impact Area Tributory to Alta Loma Channel
Mr. Hubbs discussed the problem in the Alta Loma Channel area. The Building
Industry Association (BIA) is working with property owners to establish an
assessment district to put in the necessary channel.
Mr. Ken Willis explained that the BIA has been working with the property owners
in the Alta Loma Channel area and consultants who are willing to establish
an assessment district in that area---based primarily on 1911-1913 combina-
tion bond act. Basically, the bonds would be paid off by the drainage fees
that they would pay for on a per acre basis. They have gathered up a petition
which is not yet ready to go to Council but basically lists Don Owen ~ Associat~
as assessment engineer and financial consultant, MacKenzie Brown as bond counsel
and Associated Engineers as the design engineer for the project.
These consultants will be responsible for setting up the assessment district
and to put up the bond. The landowners will be putting up their land to back
the bonds. The bonds will be paid off with their commitment of their drainage
fee to the City. In the event that development slows down and there are not
enough drainage fee monies to meet the bond requirement for a given year, then
the difference would be picked up on an assessment of that acreage which was
undeveloped. If that were to occur, then at such time as those individuals
were to pay their drainage fees at the time of development, they would be
credited any assessment they had paid previously. This procedure is currently
in use in the City of Rialto for the expansion of the waste water plant in
their community. Western City's March 1981 issue has an article on how the
procedure works.
Mr. Willis stated that he has a petition and affidavit of 256 acres of land.
He will be getting together with the City Engineer to verify the number of
vacant land acres. He believed that there should be 519 vacant land acres in
the project, and if that is the case, they need only 45 more acres to complete
the required 60% minimum of the property owners to bring a petition before the
Council. Mr. Willis believes that they should resolve that property in a
week or two.
Mr. Willis asked the Council the following questions:
1. There are landowners who would like to sign up but don't want to develop
their land immediately - if the bonds didn't float, will they be faced
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with having to absorb the up-front costs for the design engineering and
financial work, etc. of $150,0007
2. There are landowners who would be willing to pay if the City would credit
the design cost against their drainage fee when they would actually pay it.
The BIA would like to be able to negotiate with the City Engineer and City
Administration. There would be property owners willing to get involved in
the assessment district if they knew they could be credited for design fees.
Council agreed that there should be discussion with the City and Building
Industry Association. Mr. Willis wanted to know what fees could be credited.
The Council agreed credits to fees would be appropriate. Mr. Hubbs reviewed
the Staff Report on Alta Loma Channel and recommended that Council instruct
Staff to proceed to develop an ordinance designating the area a Special Impact
Zone for drainage management.
Motion: Moved by Palombo and seconded by Frost to direct Staff to prepare
the ordinances naming Alta Loma Channel as a Special Impact Zone. Motion
carried unanimously 5-0.
Councilman Bridge asked the City Attorney for his opinion. Mr. Dougherty
stated that Council was taking no action except declaring it a special
impact area and an area of concern and directing Staff to prepare an ordinance
addressing that, but that ordinance could take many forms. Mr. Dougherty
had no problem with the motion.
Joe Dilorio stated he had questions on drainage fees and felt that this should
be discussed as to how the fees should be structured. He said that before the
ordinance is adopted, it should be a City-wide or water shed area.
4. ADJOURN~iENT.
Motion: Moved by Mikels and seconded by Frost to adjourned the meeting. Motion
passed unanimously 5-0. The meeting adjourned at 10:03 pm.
Respectfully submit ted,
Judy Acosta
Engineering Secretary