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HomeMy WebLinkAboutHPC Minutes 1988-1991 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting December 5, 1991 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held in the Council Chamber at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Alan Haskvitz STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli, Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: . Moved by Banks, _seconded by Preston, carried 6-0-1, to approve the November 7, 1991 minutes. + + + + + PUBLIC HEARINGS A. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 91-03 - EDWARD CAPPARELLI - Consideration of a request to add two new windows to the Alta Loma Fire Hall, a local landmark, located at 9493 Lomita (and 7125 Amethyst Avenue) - APN: 202- 083-05 Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Billings stated that the fire hall door enclosure for the fire engines was an overhead door that appeared as if it was actually two doors. He further commented that later the two windows and wall were knocked out to make an opening for a third fire engine. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. HPC MINUTES -1- December 5, 1991 Ed Capparelli, 7931 Alta Cuesta, Rancho Cucamonga, stated that Ms. Hartig had covered the project thoroughly and he had nothing to add to her comments at this time. Commissioner Banks asked Mr. Capparelli about the reasoning behind the proposed placement of the windows and doors. Mr. Capparelli commented the locations work best because of the size of the sculptures and paintings that will be moved in and out of the building. Commissioner Banks asked if it would be possible to move the windows because she would like to see the double doors enlarged to maintain the original look of the building. She also asked if enlarging the doors would fit in with the Capparelli's plans for their intended use of the interior space. Mr. Capparelli replied that the opening is currently 60 inches (each door is ' 30 inches wide) ; however, it may be possible to enlarge the opening without compromising interior space if the Commission decides that they prefer that option. Commissioner Banks expressed her desire to add cross-siding to the doors so they would have the look of the original doors. She stated half the X of the cross-siding could cover each door giving it the original appearance of one door. Mr. Capparelli commented he had not given that idea much thought, but he was willing to make the change if the Commission wanted it. Commissioner Preston asked about the proposal to replace the wood siding with matching stucco. He commented it is often difficult to match stucco because of the potential for cracking as well as color and texture variations between the old and the new stucco. Mr. Capparelli stated they had already considered what Mr. Preston mentioned and were considering re-stuccoing the whole building. Commissioner Preston asked that staff ensure the stucco treatment suits the Commission's desires as well as the applicant's. Ms. Hartig stated a condition will be added to the resolution of approval stating all material samples, paint colors, stucco treatment, door and window specifications, etc. will be submitted to HPC prior to issuance of building permits. Commissioner Banks requested the applicant work with staff exploring the possibility of designing the doors consistent with the old fire hall. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. HPC MINUTES -2- December 5, 1991 Commissioner Banks commended the applicant for his efforts to restore the building to its former status. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Arner, carried 6-0-1 , to approve Landmark Alteration Permit 91-03 subject to the revised conditions as follows: match the stucco treatment to the original stucco; reconstruct the balcony railing consistent with the original design; and explore with the applicant the option of widening the doors to 36 inches each to maintain the consistency of the original design. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ -carried + + + + + DIRECTOR'S REPORTS B. DESIRED MOVE OF THE BARREL MONUMENT SIGN IN THE THOMAS WINERY PLAZA - (Discussion) Anthea Hartig presented an oral update on the current request from the owners of Knowlwood Restaurant to move the monument barrel sign to a more visible location in a large landscaped planter in the parking lot. The Commission discussed the movement of the sign and determined that if the applicant felt this would help promote the business they supported the move. MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Billings, carried 6-0-1, that HPC support the Planning Commission on this issue and further support the moving of the sign to a new location within the parking lot. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ -carried HPC MINUTES -3- December 5, 1991 COMMISSION BUSINESS C. SLIDE SHOW AND PRESENTATION ON THE SAN FRANCISCO NATIONAL PRESERVATION CONFERENCE - (Oral Report - Banks and Hartig) (This item was actually heard last on the agenda but it is shown in the minutes in the order it was listed on the agenda. ) Commissioner Banks and Ms. Hartig presented a slide show and oral report on their recent trip to San Francisco for the National Trust for Historic Preservation Conference. Among the items discussed were the Economic Impact of Preservation; Transportation and Preservation; Cultural Diversity and the Changing American Landscape; and the Environmental and Preservation Movements Alliance. There was some discussion regarding having the City Attorney present at HPC meetings and the Commission felt that was not necessary in most cases. However, Commissioner Preston mentioned that in the future he felt the minutes should reflect the way each Commissioner voted and why they voted that way on controversial items that may be appealed to City Council. ANNOUNCEMENTS Commissioner Preston updated the Commission on the Tree Preservation Subcommittee. He informed HPC the reason the subcommittee has not reconvened ' is because a couple of members of the subcommittee are on the Environmental Resource Management Commission which is currently undergoing some changes regarding the role of that Commission. Commissioner Preston also informed the Commission of the upcoming HPC Mitigation Measure Subcommittee meeting to be held on December 23. x � s PUBLIC COMMENTS Mr. Roy LaPerry, 10323 19th Street, a mechanical engineer, commented that the 8-foot sign at the winery could create visibility problems for the ingress/egress traffic if it were placed in a planter in the middle of the parking lot. He felt this should be considered prior to final approval of the movement of the sign. Mr. LaPerry informed the Commission that he had plans to open a small flower and gift shop at the residence (the Albert House) that he and his wife are leasing once they finally purchase the house. HPC MINUTES -4- December 5, 1991 ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8:50 p.m. Respectfully submitted, 4�S� a -GL�S'� - Shelley A. Pet i Secretary HPC MINUTES -5- December 5, 1991 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting November 7, 1991 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held in the Council Chamber at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Gene Billings, Ada Cooper STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; ' Shelley Petrelli, Secretary x x x x x APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: Moved by Arner, seconded by Preston, carried 5-0-2 (Banks arrived after the vote at 7:03 p.m. ; Billings and Cooper absent) to approve the October 3, 1991 minutes. x x x x x OLD BUSINESS A. UPDATE OF ADDITIONS AND MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC SITE LIST FOR THE OLD ALTA LOMA AREA - (Continued from October 3, 1991) Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, reviewed the October 3, 1991, staff report and highlighted areas of concern raised by Commissioner Preston at the previous meeting. Ms. Hartig recommended the Commission accept the changes to the Historic Sites' List as noted in the October 3 staff report, except for the following structures which should be listed instead as Surveyed Undetermined Significance: 9328 La Grande (Page House) , 9278 La Vine (Schmutz House) , 7126 Amethyst (Clayton Garage and Service Center) , and 9403 La Mesa (Williams House) . HPC MINUTES -1- November 7, 1991 Commissioner Preston agreed with the staff report of November 7, 1991 , but he still had an overall concern regarding at what point the significance of a structure is determined (i.e. , whether a structure can stand on its own merit or if it is only a contributing structure to the surrounding neighborhood) . MOVED by Banks, seconded by Haskvitz, carried 5-0-2, to accept staff's recommendation of the November 7, 1991 staff report. B. PACKING HOUSE STATUS UPDATE - (Oral Report) Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, gave the oral staff report. She stated that escrow closed on November 1, 1991 , and the Redevelopment Agency now owns the property. She said that mixing senior housing with retail and other uses is fairly unique in this part of the country and that this was the course being pursued by staff. Commissioner Banks asked if this would be the appropriate time to do a press release on the property. Ms. Hartig felt it would be best to wait until the feasibility study was finished. She also said neighborhood meetings will be held when the project progresses further. C. ORAL HISTORY UPDATE - (Oral Report) Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, announced that Mellon and Associates, consultants for the Oral History Project, has completed 7 oral history interviews. She stated that funding is available for a total of 12 interviews; however, since many of those interviewed have been married couples, the City will be getting close to 21 interviews. She listed the people who had been interviewed: the George Cherbaks, Arthur and Dorothy Allen, Don and Dorothy Schowalter, Levi and Dorothy Hershler, Mary DiAmbrosio, P.J. and Jim Clark, and Arthur and Kathryn Bridge. Commissioner Banks questioned if the program would continue if the Commission continues to receive money from mitigations placed on historic projects. Ms. Hartig replied it would. Commissioner Arner asked if the interviews would be transcribed into print. Ms. Hartig responded that both transcribed copies and tapes are included in the contract price of the interview. HPC MINUTES -2- November 7, 1991 NEW BUSINESS ' D. DEMOLITION OF STRUCTURES AT 12892 FOOTHILL BOULEVARD AND 8062 ETIWANDA AVENUE - The Regina Restaurant, SUS ( Ingvaldsen Store) and (Ingvaldsen) Home, PLL - Due to Declared Dangerous Conditions - APN: 227-221-14. Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks stated she had seen the restaurant and concurred with Ms. Hartig that the integrity of the structure had been lost through many alterations. She did feel the house had historical significance. She was concerned that Historic Preservation staff was not informed of what the Building and Safety Department was doing with the structures. Ms. Hartig stated she had talked with Building and Safety staff and that communications and procedures should improve in the future. Commissioner Banks felt that the HPC Commission should take a more active role in preventing owners of historic structures from neglecting their property to the point that the structures become dangerous or worthless. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, responded that even though there is a property maintenance ordinance, it is a laborious process because of private property rights. ' Commissioner Preston suggested making amendments to the HPC ordinance to protect properties designated Landmarks or Points of Interest from benign neglect. He felt that this could be done on CEQA grounds. Mr. Henderson stated staff would look at that issue when the ordinance is reviewed for revisions shortly. MOVED by Banks, seconded by Preston, carried 5-0-2, to update the historical list and remove Ingvaldsen structures from the list. ,t w • • w E. FORMATION OF A SUBCOMMITTEE TO MEET WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WRIGHT FOR DEVELOPMENT OF AN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MITIGATION POLICY - (Oral Report) Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, explained that Council member Wright mentioned at the last Council meeting that she felt it was time for the City to formally adopt a policy for setting HPC mitigation measures. She volunteered to be on the subcommittee and asked that HPC also appoint representatives for the subcommittee. Mr. Henderson mentioned a few of the mitigations that had already been used in previous projects and asked the Commission to appoint a subcommittee. The Commission concurred that their subcommittee representatives would be ' Commissioner Banks and Preston. HPC MINUTES -3- November 7, 1991 COMMISSION BUSINESS ' F. PROPOSED CANCELLATION OF JANUARY 2, 1992 MEETING - (Oral Report) Mr: Henderson stated that the City Council had rescheduled their January 1 , 1992 meeting to January 2, which would conflict with the .regular HPC meeting. He suggested that the HPC meeting be canceled for January unless a critical situation should occur. The Commission concurred. + • r • x ANNOUNCEMENTS Ms. Hartig announced the first landmark plaque was installed at the Schowalter Rock Pile. PUBLIC COMMENTS JoAnn Roebuck, President of San Bernardino County Tourism Development Council, 8916 Foothill Boulevard, announced the opening of the Route 66 Vistor's Center ' and Museum at the Thomas Winery Plaza on November 17, 1991. She stated the museum would offer tours and Route 66 memorabilia. The Commission thanked her for the efforts of the Development Council. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted, a . Shelley A. Pe relli Secretary' HPC MINUTES -4- November 7, 1991 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA ' HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting October 3, 1991 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Ada Cooper STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner Larry Henderson, Principal Planner Buffie Hollis, intern ' Shelley Petrelli, Secretary x x x x x APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: Moved by Billings, seconded by Banks, carried 6-0-1, to accept the August 27, 1991 and September 5, 1991 minutes. x x x x x OLD BUSINESS A. UPDATE OF ADDITIONS AND MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC SITE LIST FOR THE OLD ALTA LOMA AREA Buffie Hollis, Intern, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks asked what boundaries were used for the study. Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, commented that the boundaries were set by the Commission at a previous meeting. Commissioner Billings made a point of correction that Helmer House was actually a portion of the Hermosa School. He gave additional information on ' two houses that moved from the rabbitry to other locations: one was moved to the West side of Hellman and LaGrande; the Ray Ford house was moved to Archibald Avenue, just south of the Baptist Church. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing because there was no one who wished ' to speak. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Billings, to approve staff's recommendation. Commissioner Preston felt that some of the properties identified as Potential Local Landmarks (PLL) were identified as such for lack of a more appropriate designation. He pointed out that some of the structures may not be historically or architecturally significant enough to stand on their own as a PLL, but instead they could be considered contributing structures in the neighborhood or area. He felt that some of the properties may fall short of the Commission's standards for a PLL designation and that perhaps another designation should be considered by the Commission. He expressed a need either to go through the list and identify different designations, or to ask for further delineation of some of the structures (considering they may be contributing structures) and add a new identifying code. He wished to clarify the situation before developing the terminology for the Alta Loma Specific Plan. Commissioner Banks disagreed with Commissioner Preston and stated that a Potential Local Landmark meant that the Commission would examine a structure thoroughly before removing it from the list. Commissioner Preston felt changes should be made 'at this stage rather than ' later on in the process. He felt that holding a public hearing for some of these structures would be difficult if the Commission could not substantiate a PLL designation with the appropriate supporting documentation. Commissioner Banks stated that the survey was done prior to Commissioner Preston's involvement with the Commission and explained that the Commission wanted to make certain they had all the information on a structure (i.e. , public input, etc. ) before eliminating it as a PLL from the list. Commissioner Preston commented he found approximately nine structures that could require a different designation. He asked what recourse would be available if the owner of a Potential Local Landmark came to the Planning counter and wanted to alter his home. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, stated that there is not much staff can do except make suggestions to the property owner. Commissioner Haskvitz asked if the area fell within the percentages to be considered an Historic District. Ms. Hollis stated that generally the requirement is that 75 percent of the structures should be contributing and the area does not meet that percentage. ' Commissioner Preston clarified that Ms. Hollis meant a national district, not ' a local district, since the City does not have any district criteria. HPC MINUTES -2- OCTOBER 3, 1991 Commissioner Billings favored making the area a local district. He also felt the 25 foot lot widths were significant for the area. Mr. Henderson suggested continuing the item until next month and requested the Commissioners call staff with information on any of the structures that they feel may be incorrectly designated. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested keeping the Monte Vista houses together as a group rather than treating each house individually. Commissioner Billings commented that the Monte Vista Avenue houses were historically known as "shack alley" because they were small houses built for the laborers and their families. Commissioner Preston withdrew his original motion and Commissioner Billings withdrew his second. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Banks, carried 6-0-1, to continue the item to the next meeting in order for the Commission to have further time to review the material and for staff to review the question of designations and address the treatment of Monte Vista Avenue. AYES: COMMISSIONERS:. ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT ' NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER --carried COMMISSION BUSINESS There was no Commission Business to present. + + + + + ANNOUNCEMENTS Chairman Schmidt informed staff and the Commission that they may be contacted by Bob Lundy or JoAnn Roebuck regarding using a portion of the Thomas Winery building to form a Route 66 visitor center and museum. They would like to make a presentation at the next Commission meeting regarding their ideas for the museum. Mr. Henderson reminded the Commission if anyone wishes to appear on the agenda they must submit a letter to the HPC staff or the HPC Chairman stating the reason for their presentation if they want direction or a decision from the Commission. Chairman Schmidt commented he had informed them that was the way to' proceed. HPC MINUTES -3- OCTOBER 3, 1991 Mr. Henderson informed the Commission that Council member Pam Wright has requested a review of mitigation measures for historic sites and she wants to set a City Policy for these measures. She has volunteered to be on the subcommittee with HPC members to set the policy. The selection of the HPC subcommittee is to take place at the November 7, 1991 meeting. + + + x + PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no public comments. + + x + + ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted, a . Shelley A. Petrelli , Secretary HPC MINUTES -4- OCTOBER 3, 1991 Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, RASKVITZ, SCHMIDT, TESSIER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE -carried x x x x x OLD BUSINESS Commissioner Cooper asked what is happening with the Smith's Food King. Ms. Hartig stated that the application is not yet complete for the proposed store. She stated the location (northwest corner of Foothill and Vineyard) was the location of the first post office in the area. She also commented there could be artifacts in the vicinity. She said she has not been able to review the house to the north yet for its significance. She commented that when the application is complete, staff will proceed with a more in-depth analysis of the area. x x x x x NEW BUSINESS There was no new business to present. x x x x x DIRECTOR'S REPORTS B. REQUEST BY MICHAEL SCANDIFFIO, MASI COMMERCE CENTER, TO REMOVE CONDITION NO. 4 OF CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 91-275 - LaFOURCADE STORE POINT OF INTEREST DESIGNATION Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Michael Scandiffio, 1510 Riverside Drive, Burbank, representing the Masi Commerce Center, commented that they have completed two oral histories and have thoroughly documented the LaFourcade archway. He gave a brief explanation and showed examples of the interpretive art, the vinter statue and vinter's walkway that they have developed for the center. He stated he felt that they have gone beyond what has been required of them. He stated it is their interpretation that City Council intended the $10,000 mitigation could be used either on their property or elsewhere in the City. Jack Masi, 5416 Electric Avenue, San Bernardino , property owner, stated that he felt they had gone beyond what was required by the City with the vintner's walkway and he also thinks the walkway will have historical significance for the City. He said he would like the Commission to consider letting them use the $10,000 on his site rather than another site within the City. HPC MINUTES -3- August 6, 1992 Chairman Banks asked how much the consultant would cost. Mr. Scandiffio estimated it would be approximately $5,000 to $6,000 at a minimum. Chairman Banks asked when installation of the artwork will be complete. Mr. Scandiffio stated they anticipate completion in late 1993. He stated they had concerns about possible damage to the artwork if it were installed prior to the completion of buildings, which is one of the reasons they are appealing to the City Council. Commissioner Cooper stated she thought the applicant had exceeded the requirements and the $10,000 requirement should be dropped completely. Chairman Banks stated that it is refreshing to see an applicant go beyond what is expected and she felt the public artwork presented for this project did just that. She stated she was not comfortable re-interpreting City Council's requirements regarding the $10,000 mitigation and she took exception to the Planning Commission's requirement to hire a consultant for the project. She stated it was redundant and wasteful to ask the applicant to hire a consultant when staff is capable of taking care of the coordination of the artwork. Moved by Cooper, seconded by Billings, failed 3-4, to support the applicant's requests. Motion failed by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, COOPER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, HASKVITZ, TESSIER ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE -failed Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Arner, carried 4-3, to support applicant in their artwork presentation, but not to support the offsetting of the artwork with the $10,000 contribution to a historical project within the City. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, HASKVITZ, TESSIER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, COOPER, SCHMIDT ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE -carried The Commission briefly discussed the need for a consultant, and although no formal action was taken, the Commission was in agreement that they did not support the idea of hiring a consultant for the artwork. HPC MINUTES -4- August 6, 1992 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting September 5, 1991 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt. COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: NONE STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner Larry Henderson, Principal Planner Beverly Nissen, Associate Planner Shelley Petrelli, Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Preston, unanimously approved 7-0-0, to accept the August 1, 1991 mintues, as amended. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. CONSIDERATION OF A CHANGE OF THE HISTORIC STATUS AND APPLICATIONS FOR HISTORIC POINT OF INTEREST OR LANDMARK DESIGNATION FILED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, CONSIDERATION OF A DEMOLITION REQUEST BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND THE POSSIBLE ESTABLISHMENT OF MITIGATION MEASURES THEREIN FOR THE LA FOURCADE BUILDING LOCATED AT 11871 FOOTHILL BOULEVARD - APN: 229-011-10 - Consideration and determination of the historic status, application for Point of Interest or Landmark Designation, and level of appropriate mitigations for the demolition of the structure. The range of alternatives may include the following: Landmark status, Point of Interest status, and/or mitigation measures prior to demolition. (Item A was moved to the end of the agenda because the property owner and developer had not arrived by 7:00 p.m. The minutes will show this item in the original order for consistency with the agenda even though the owner did not arrive until 7:40 p.m. ) Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, presented the staff report. HPC MINUTES -1- SEPTEMBER 5, 1991 Commissioner Preston asked for clarification on whether the whole structure would receive a HABS/HAER documentation or if only the parapet would be documented. Mr. Henderson responded only the parapet would be documented because the remainder of the structure has been altered several times. Commissioner Preston questioned the if the condition requiring the property owner to make a $25,000 contribution to the Chaffey-Garcia Barn project was proportionate to the total of the proposed project. He stated he would like to see percentage calculations in future staff reports indicating each applicant's portion of the total contribution. Mr. Henderson stated that the figure had been determined internally by staff. Commissioner Preston asked if HPC should consider asking the Planning Commission to use the parapet in other aspects of the proposed project. Mr. Henderson stated that the HPC could do that but it may be a little premature as the project has not been accepted as complete by the Planning Commission and the land use has not been definitely determined as yet. Commissioner Haskvitz asked if the past business operations at the building were significant to Route 66. Mr. Henderson responded that a gas station/market was definitely important to the community. ' Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Michael Scandiffio, 1510 Riverside Drive, Burbank, developer and spokesman for the Masi family, stated that the Masis spent most of the money they inherited with the property on legal fees to remove the Cowgirl Dance Club from the building. He stated that the Masis have requested demolition of the building and explained the proposed development for the property and the integration of the architectural features they are planning. He told the Commission that the Masis would be unable to acquire bank financing for the $25,000 worth off-site improvements and they feel they have made a considerable effort to integrate historical and aesthetic qualities into their project. He questioned the necessity of hiring an outside engineer for the project. He suggested doing oral interviews with the Masis. Jack Masi, 5416 Electric Avenue, San Bernardino, stated his folks lived and worked on the property since 1943; they had vineyards, a winery, and a grocery store. He commented he went into litigation with the Cowgirl in 1982 and finally succeeded in forcing them to vacate the building this year; however, he spent over $100,000 in legal fees in the process. He stated he is employed with the United States Air Force and along with the other expenses already incurred, he cannot afford the $25,000 contribution to the Chaffey-Garcia House/Barn project. He felt the money could be spent more appropriately on-site. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. HPC MINUTES -2- SEPTEMBER 5, 1991 Commissioner Cooper stated that she opposed the $25,000 contribution because the Masis are a local family and they should be not be treated like a developer from out of town. She felt if there was to be a contribution it should go to the Masi project rather than the Chaffey-Garcia project. She felt this would help commemorate the Italian heritage of our community. Commissioner Banks commented that one option the Commission might consider would be to use the money to start up the landbank. She felt this would help provide options for moving historical properties in the future. Commissioner Preston asked what issues would be involved in developing the landbank. Mr. Henderson responded that RDA has already established the fund with $100,000. Commissioner Preston questioned if RDA was permitted to use funds outside of the RDA boundaries. Mr. Henderson stated it is possible, but there are legal parameters for the funding and strict accounting of the money is required. He commented that before a commitment can be made to allocate the money to another project, a budget would need to be established and the funding source would need to be identified and allocated to the project. ' Commissioner Banks suggested changing the language in the condition to allow more flexibility regarding how the money could be used. She asked if the contribution is a financial hardship to the property owner, could a lien be placed on the property. Mr. Henderson stated he did not think a lien would be legally appropriate. Commissioner Preston asked how the other Commissioners felt about the condition. Commissioner Haskvitz stated he thought the site was so significant that he supported landmarking the property over the owner's objection. He commented he did not feel the money needed to be used strictly for the Chaffey-Garcia project. Commissioner Arner also felt the contribution did not necessarily have to go the Chaffey-Garcia project. Commissioner Billings supported the property owners' plans of historically commemorating the site within a Piazza and therefore, supported spending the money at Masi's site. Mr. Henderson expressed that there is a possibility that the land use designation could be changed to an Industrial use which could give the building a more high-tech look than historic and the Commission needed to be aware of this. He stated condition 2 could be modified with that in mind and condition 4 could also be modified or deleted. HPC MINUTES -3- SEPTEMBER 5, 1991 Commissioner Preston inquired about the total amount of money required for the Chaffey-Garcia project. Mr. Henderson responded it would be between $100,000 and $125,000 for the barn, plus $60,000 for the interior of the house and an additional $25,000 for parkway, parking lot, and landscaping improvements. Chairman Schmidt reopened the public hearing and asked if the Masis were requesting demolition of the building to reduce the taxes on the property. Mr. Scandiffio responded that taxes were not the reason for the demolition request. He stated that property is two separate parcels with several separate owners and if they cannot build a retail project they will not be able to finance the project. He noted that they had developed the idea of the Piazza which they were not required to do and they prefer to spend the money there rather than off-site. Chairman Schmidt again closed the public hearing. Commissioner Banks stated that it does not appear that much is left of the building worthy of saving, except the fascade, and she supports demolition of the building if the parapet is saved. Mr. Henderson stated the question was posed by the property owners regarding the necessity of an outside engineer and he explained that it necessary to assess whether portions of the building can be saved or if a NABS/HAER , documentation would be necessary prior to that time. Commissioner Haskvitz reiterated that he supported a landmark designation for the property. Commissioner Banks wished to expand condition 3 to say that elements shall be considered for incorporation into public art, interpretive exhibits or structures to be built at the site. She felt the history of the site should be integrated outside the buildings to ensure the historical integrity of the site stays in tact as tenants move in and out of the buildings. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Banks, carried 5-2-0, the Historic Preservation Commission designate the site a Point of Interest, incorporate the mitigation measures recommended in the staff report expanding condition 3 to state that elements shall be considered for incorporation into public art, interpretive exhibits or structures on-site and revise condition 4 (sentence 2) to read: "The City Council, upon input from the Historic Preservation Commission, may allocate these funds to another similar type of preservation project, including historic preservation or landbanking " AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, HASKVITZ ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried HPC MINUTES -4- SEPTEMBER 5, 1991 Commissioner Cooper again stated she opposed the $25,000 contribution because the Masis are a local family and they should not be treated like an out-of- town developer. MOTION: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Billings, failed 3-4-0, amending the original motion to delete condition 4 requiring the $25,000 contribution. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, COOPER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, HASKVITZ, PRESTON ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --failed MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Arner, carried 5-2-0, to amend the original ;ration, condition 4, reducing the developer's contribution to $10,000 for the Chaffey-Garcia House/Barn project. AYES: 'COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, HASKVITZ ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried OLD BUSINESS B. UPDATE ON SANTA FE DEPOT DOCUMENTATION EFFORTS - Oral Report Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, stated that he had received the construction plans for the current Santa Fe Depot and the demolition has taken place. COMMISSION BUSINESS C. LETTER IN SUPPORT OF GALLEANO WINERY LANDMARK APPLICATION IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY - Oral Report Mr. Henderson stated that HPC staff had been asked by the Galleano family to lend support to their efforts toward a landmark designation for their home and winery in Riverside County. He commented that the Galleano family had associations with some of the wine-making families of our community; however, because they are outside of the City boundaries, Mr. Henderson asked the Commission to consider if a response was appropriate. There was some discussion regarding the request to send the support letter and the Commission concurred that they supported sending the letter of recommendation; however, they wanted to receive any research and/or application materials with any future requests of this nature. HPC MINUTES -5- SEPTEMBER 5, 1991 MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Banks, carried 7-0-0, to approve sending the letter, amended with a sentence regarding the importance of wine production to the Cucamonga Valley and the close association with our community. It is further recommended that all application materials and other documentation be forwarded to the Historic Preservation Commission for future requests at the time the request for assistance is made. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried D. LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THE FORMATION OF AN INLAND EMPIRE COALITION OF THE CALIFORNIA HUMANITIES COUNCIL Mr. Henderson pointed out that the Commission had before them a letter requesting their support of a Grant Application from the Inland Empire Coalition of the California Humanities Council. Commissioner Preston explained what occurred at the meetings and the process involved with the grant. The Commission requested that a copy of the materials from the Humanities Council be kept on file for reference. , MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Arner, carried unanimously 7-0-0 recommending the letter be sent supporting the Grant Application for the Inland Empire Coalition of the California Humanities Council. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried ANNOUNCEMENTS E. UPDATE ON FOOTHILL MARKETPLACE (CUP 90-37) APPEAL AND CITY COUNCIL ACTION - Oral Report Mr. Henderson presented the oral staff report stating that the Mayor had appealed the Planning Commission's decision to drop the condition requiring the Wattson Company to donate $100,000 to the Chaffey-Garcia House/Barn project. He also commented that the Mayor stated, because the mitigations had initially come to the Council for approval and were approved, a policy should be set that Council's decision should be final in these cases. He told the Commission that Council voted in favor of the Mayor's appeal and the $100,000 donation stands. HPC MINUTES -6- SEPTEMBER 5, 1991 Commissioner Banks asked when the money would be donated. Mr. Henderson responded that he had spoken with Phil Ramming of the Wattson Company and Mr. Ramming said they would like to see the plans so they can evaluate the them and see if their construction firm could build the barn for less than $100,000. Mr. Henderson remarked that a decision would be made in 60 to 90 days and they would come back to the Commission with any proposals they have. He also mentioned that the DiCarlo and Guiderra homes have been advertised and a developer is interested in relocating and rehabilitating the houses. F. NEW PRESIDENT ELECTED FOR THE CALIFORNIA CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION - i.e. , Commissioner Steve Preston An announcement was made regarding the recent election of Commissioner Preston as president-elect of the California Chapter of the American Planning Association. Commissioner Preston inquired when the next Tree Preservation Subcommittee meeting is to be held. Mr. Henderson responded he would check with the City staff representative, Otto Kroutil, Deputy City Planner, regarding the timing of the next meeting. + + + + + Mr. Henderson informed the Commission that the original dedication plaque is tentatively scheduled for reinstallment at the Thomas Winery on September 28 at 11:00 a.m. + + + + + PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no additional public comments. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 9: 10 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Shelley A. P elli Secretary HPC MINUTES -7- SEPTEMBER 5, 1991 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Special Adjourned Meeting August 27, 1991 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz Steve Preston, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Marsha Banks STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner Larry Henderson, Principal Planner Shelley Petrelli, Secretary OLD BUSINESS A. CONSIDERATION OF FORMAL RESPONSE TO ROUTE 30 EXTENSION ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT/ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT (EIR/EIS) Larry Henderson, Principal Planner presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Mary Lynn Coffee, of Sieman, Larsen and Marsh law firm, represented the Sam Maloof family. She stated that the EIR/EIS does not consider the priceless and irreplaceable nature of the Maloof property. She commented that the document also neglects to discuss a full range of mitigation alternatives. Commissioner Preston asked what additional performance criteria the property owners would expect to see that has not been addressed in the staff report. He also asked if they had formulated any specific mitigation measures. Ms. Coffee stated that no specific measures have been compiled at this point. She said they would like to see a consensual agreement drawn up by Caltrans to compensate the Maloofs adequately for their property. Commissioner Preston stated that relocation and compensation are not normally considered an environmental objective by Caltrans. He asked if the Maloof are asking the Commission to support the preferred alternative which includes adjusting the alignment, relocating the family, and establishing a museum and cultural center. HPC MINUTES - 1 - AUGUST 27, 1991 Ms. Coffee responded yes. Mr. Henderson clarified that the property owners are asking the Commission to support and state this recommendation in the document being forwarded to Caltrans. Commissioner Cooper asked if it is a goal of the property owners to have the property become a museum/cultural center if and when they leave. Mr. Henderson answered yes and stated that this alternative has been discussed in meetings with the property owner, City and State staff, and the property owners ' legal counsel. He commented that the museum could be a mitigation supported by the Historic Preservation Commission and the City Council. Ms. Hartig stated that Mr. Maloof had expressed his desire to live on the property and have Caltrans give him "lifetime occupancy" rights to do so. Commissioner Preston asked what grade level is proposed for the freeway at the Maloof property. Mr. Henderson replied it was approximately 25-30 feet below grade. Commissioner Preston indicated it appeared that the required right of way would take up about two-thirds of the property and most of the groves. He then asked how much space would be left to relocate the house. Mr. Henderson stated that Caltrans is proposing to adjust the right of way , line and the improvements by using retaining walls so the nearest wall of the house would be ten feet from the retaining wall. Commissioner Preston asked if the Maloofs are aware of how close the freeway will be to the house. Mr. Henderson stated another option being considered is building another residence further from the freeway or a residence elsewhere in the City. Ms. Coffee indicated that relocation is her client's desire once the freeway is complete. Ms. Hartig stated that approximately 50 feet could be gained with the proposed freeway realignment, that would probably be the most the freeway could be realigned because of the nearby residences and in particular, the Goerlitz House. Commissioner Cooper asked how long the Maloofs had been living on the property. Commissioner Billings remembered that they had moved there and started building approximately 40 years ago. Mr. Henderson pointed out that, not only is the length of time the Maloofs lived in that location significant, it is even more significant that the HPC MINUTES - 2 - AUGUST 27, 1991 property also represents the creative environment for Mr. Maloof's artistry. He felt that Caltrans had not adequately covered this issue as well as others in the draft EIR/EIS. Commissioner Haskvitz asked what the timeline for the construction of the freeway is. Mr. Henderson stated that it could be anywhere from five to ten years or more after approval. Commissioner Haskvitz asked if the Historic Preservation Commission could develop a mitigation measure to delay construction on this portion of the freeway to allow the Maloofs more time in their home. Mr. Henderson stated he did not think that issue had been addressed because he did not believe the property was in the first phase of construction. He felt it would be a good idea to ask Caltrans to consider adjusting the timing of construction at the property if it is feasible. Commissioner Preston suggested tying mitigation measures to specific benchmarks during the construction phasing. Sam Maloof, 9521 Highland Avenue, Rancho Cucamonga, stated he had been building onto his house for over 30 years and with each addition he was told by the County that there would be no freeway. He commented that he has about ' 2,000 visitors a year viewing his home and studio, including international architects, museum curators, etc. He also expressed that he would rather see all of the house destroyed then just a portion of it. He said that he was hoping to receive a "lifetime occupancy" from Caltrans once they purchase the property. Commissioner Preston asked if written documentation was available to attest to the remarkable nature of the property. Mr. Maloof replied that there was documentation at the National Archives along with the book he has written (also available in the Archives) . MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Cooper, carried 6-0-1, that the Historic Preservation Commission accept the staff report of August 27, 1991, and forward those recommendations to City Council reiterating the importance of the following: 1) the mitigations measures be more completely detailed and more thoroughly analyzed by Caltrans, and 2) a specific timeline accompany the implementation of each of those measures. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS ' -carried HPC MINUTES - 3 - AUGUST 27, 1991 MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Billings, carried 6-0-1, with respect to specific mitigation measures provided for the Maloof house, that further documentation be provided in the EIR regarding the unique historical and architectural significance of that property and that a more complete detailing of specific mitigation measures be provided which should include items listed in the staff report as well as the creation of a life estate, phasing freeway improvements to provide the maximum amount of time for the property owner, and a more detailed consideration of the many facets of the proposed mitigations, especially with regard to the museum cultural center alternatives. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS -carried PUBLIC COMMENT There were no further public comments. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 6: 10 p.m. , Respectfully ._submitted, 0. • Q�� Shelley A. Pet(frelli Secretary HPC MINUTES - 4 - AUGUST 27, 1991 ' CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting August 1, 1991 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks (arrived at 7:09 p.m. ) , Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz Steve Preston, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: NONE STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli, Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: Moved by Billings,_ seconded by Arner, carried unanimously, 6-0-1 (Commissioner Banks arrived after the vote) to approve the June 6, 1991 Historic Preservation minutes, as amended. OLD BUSINESS A. UPDATE ON PACKING HOUSE REUSE STUDY Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner presented the staff report. She commented that Architectural Resources Group was contracted to perform the Adaptive Reuse and Rehabilitation Study of the Alta Loma Packing House. She also mentioned if after the feasibility study determines it is possible, the structures would be rehabilitated for senior housing and/or a mixed use complex. B. UPDATE ON FOOTHILL MARKETPLACE/PLANNING COMMISSION'S ACTION Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. HPC MINUTES - 1 - AUGUST 1 , 1991 Chairman Schmidt asked if the Planning Commission had the power to overturn a Historic Preservation Commission decision. Ms. Hartig stated that the Council makes the final approval on the Environmental Assessment determination of some types of projects. Commissioner Banks clarified the Planning Commission was not the final decision-making body in this case, but she questioned the outcome of a mitigated Historic Preservation Commission project if that project did not go to Council for a final decision. Commissioner Preston explained that a conflict exists between two different provisions of City law; one provision states that the Historic Preservation Commission reports to and advises the Council, while the other provision (mandated by State law) states that the final decision-making body on Environmental mitigation measures is the body which grants final approval to the project (in this case that would be the Planning Commission) . He mentioned that the Historic Preservation Commission staff was advised by Planning Commission staff that there was no need for Historic Preservation Commission staff to attend the meeting. Commissioner Preston felt that the Planning Commission was not clear on what connection there was between the mitigation measures and the project. He commented further that he would like to see a policy set up between the Planning Commission and Historic Preservation Commission that they would continue an Historic Preservation Commission item until a Historic Preservation Commissioner or staff member can be present. , Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, suggested forming a subcommittee between the two Commissions. Commissioner Preston expressed his concern that the Historic Preservation Commission needs to determine how they wish to support the Council on the issue at the August 21, 1991 meeting. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested sending a letter to the Planning Commissioners asking what their rationale was behind their decision. Commissioner Preston suggested calling them on the phone instead because he felt a direct approach would be better and asked which of the Commissioners had been in attendance at the Planning Commission meeting. Ms. Hartig commented that the Commissioners present at the Planning Commission meeting were Mc Niel, Tolstoy, Melcher, and Chitiea. The Commission reached a consensus to have Chairman Schmidt and Commissioner Preston represent the Commission in the proposed formation of the joint Planning Commission/Historic Preservation Commission subcommittee. The Historic Preservation Commission also gave their concurrence approving the letter from Chairman Schmidt to Mayor Stout. HPC MINUTES - 2 - AUGUST 1 , 1991 NEW BUSINESS C. UPDATE ON SANTA FE DEPOT £IRE Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks asked about the status of Rancho Cucamonga's prospects of getting a mass-transit railroad stop. Mr. Henderson responded that the Santa Fe Railroad and San Bernardino County have been unable to reach an agreement on the purchase of the Santa Fe line so a decision cannot be made regarding a stop in the City. Commissioner Banks inquired if there was any portion of the building that could be salvaged and moved. Mr. Henderson responded no and stated the best method to proceed would be to rebuild from the original plans, if they are available. MOTION: Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Schmidt, carried unanimously 7-0-0, to to mitigate the demolition request of the Santa Fe depot and require a HABS/HAER quality documentation of the depot. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, BANKS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE « « « « « --carried DIRECTOR'S REPORTS D. REVIEW OF IN-HOUSE CULTURAL RESOURCES REVIEW POLICY - Oral Report Ms. Hartig presented the oral staff report. She updated the Commission on the Cultural Resource training program that she presented to the Planning staff. She indicated that the main goal of the program is to involve the Planners in the cultural resource process at the time they accept a project for environmental review. The Planners would also require a deposit from the applicant to cover the costs of a preservation consultant to compile a report detailing the project's impact on cultural resources, if such a report were determined necessary by staff. COMMISSION BUSINESS Chairman Schmidt brought up the Founder's Day Parade to see if the Commission had any interest in participating. The Commission discussed a few ideas but the consensus was that they were not interested in participating this year. HPC MINUTES - 3 - AUGUST 1, 1991 E. STATUS OF DEMOLITION REQUEST FOR THE LaFOURCADE BUILDING LOCATED AT 11871 FOOTHILL BOULEVARD - APN 229-011-10 - Oral Report Ms. Hartig presented the oral staff report. She explained that demolition of the structure has been requested and that a request has been made by the City Manager's office to have the public hearing on this issue at the Historic Preservation Commission adjourned meeting on August 27, 1991 . Commissioner Banks expressed that she felt the issue could wait until their regular meeting of September 5, 1991 . She was concerned because she would not be able to attend the meeting if it is on August 27, 1991. She also expressed her feeling that the public hearing advertisement should cover all the potential decisions the Historic Preservation Commission could make regarding the structure (including Historic Landmark, Point of Interest or mitigation measures) . Ms. Hartig indicated that the initial review of the building does not appear to meet the Commission's standards for a Landmark designation because the structure has been altered several times. Commissioner Preston suggested wording for the public hearing notice that included a range of alternatives and also stated he would like to advertise public hearings this way in the future. MOTION: Moved by Banks, 'seconded by Preston, unanimously carried 7-0-0, to , hold a public hearing regarding the LaFourcade building at their regular meeting on September 5, 1991, and the public hearing advertisement should generally read as follows: The purpose of the Public Hearing is to determine the Historic status and level of appropriate mitigations for the structure and that range of alternatives may include the following: Landmark status, Point of Interest status, and and/or mitigation measures prior to demolition. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, BANKS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried F. NATIONAL TRUST CONFERENCE (October 16-20 in San Francisco) - Oral Report Ms. Hartig mentioned the National Trust Conference is to be held- in San Francisco, October 16-20, and asked if any of the Commissioners were interested in attending. She stated that there was enough money in the budget for two Commissioners to attend or one Commissioner and one staff member. Commissioner Banks expressed her interest in attending the conference and ' commented that she felt it was important for' a staff member to attend also. HPC MINUTES - 4 - AUGUST 1 , 1991 Commissioner Cooper concurred that it was important for a staff member to attend. MOTION: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Banks, carried unanimously 7-0-0, to send one Commissioner and one staff member to the National Trust Conference. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried G. UPDATE ON ROUTE 30 EXTENSION EIR/EIS AND REQUEST FOR SPECIAL MEETING - Oral Report A copy of the Environment Impact Report/Environmental Impact Statement (EIR/EIS) was passed out to the Commission. Ms. Hartig discussed the draft. EIR/EIS document and went over the dates for the public meetings as well as the Commission and Council meetings that must take place prior to the September 15, 1991 response deadline. She mentioned that a letter would be mailed to the property owners affected by the Route 30 Extension informing ' them of the meetings and also encouraging them to apply for Landmark designations for their property. Ms. Hartig explained that only the properties of National Register quality were addressed by the EIR/EIS; other properties of local significance were not addressed in the document. She commented that the City's response will include mitigations for each of the 16 properties that will he affected, not just the 5 that are of National quality. The Commission concurred their approval to send the letter to the affected property owners. + + + + + ANNOUNCEMENTS Chairman Schmidt announced that the Fontana Historic Preservation Commission held its first meeting and John Anicic was named chairman of the commission. Commissioner Preston asked that a letter of congratulations be sent to Mr. Anicic. + + + + + Mr. Henderson informed the Commission that the County was very interested in artifacts from the Thomas Winery for their new winery center at Guasti Park. + + + + + Mr. Henderson informed the Commission that the Stoebe house has been in probate for approximately two years and the outcome of that situation should HPC MINUTES - 5 - AUGUST 1, 1991 be resolved at the end of August. Cleanup should commence shortly thereafter. PUBLIC COMMENTS No additional public comments. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned to a special meeting on Tuesday, August 27, 1991, at 7:00 p.m. in the Civic Center Council Chambers, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga. Respecct�f�ul(l�y� submitted, ��-- `/ t Shelley A. Petrelli Secretary HPC MINUTES - 6 - AUGUST 1 , 1991 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting July 4, 1991 The regularly scheduled Historic Preservation Commission meeting of July 4, 1991, was cancelled because it was a holiday. Respectfully Submitted, Shelley A. Petrelli Secretary _ CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting June 6, 1991 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Steve Preston, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Alan Haskvitz STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli, Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES ' MOTION: Moved by Billings, seconded by Preston, carried unanimously, 5-0-2, (Commissioner Banks arrived after the vote) to approve the May 2, 1991 Historic Preservation minutes and the Adjourned Joint Historic Preservation Commission/City Council minutes of May 22, 1991, as amended. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 91-01 - CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA - Consideration of the relocation of the G.P. Ledig House (Landmark No. 13) from 5702 Amethyst Street, to Lot 11 of Tract 13930, located at the southeast corner of Hellman Avenue and Wilson Avenue. Also being considered are plans for a new three-car garage and rehabilitation specifications for the residence. Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner discussed the site plan, the property setbacks, and the Community Trail that abuts the property. Commissioner Preston expressed concern that the $90,000 bid cost may not be enough to cover the rehabilitation of the house. He asked if staff felt the cost would escalate beyond that amount. HPC MINUTES - 1 - JUNE 6, 1991 Mr. Henderson stated the amount will probably cover the expenses. He felt trade-offs can be made to keep the cost within the $90,000; however, staff will go to the Block Grant for rehabilitation funds if necessary. Commissioner Preston asked how essential a three-car garage is to the structure or if perhaps the garage elevations could be oriented to help maintain the character of the structure. Mr. Henderson responded that the three-car garage is preferable to most homebuyers purchasing a house in that price range. He also stated that the house, with the planned landscaping and setbacks, will hardly be visible from the street. Commissioner Banks inquired what the estimated sales price for the house will be and also what type of marketing efforts will be made prior to completion of suggested improvements. Mr. Henderson remarked he thought the sales price will be approximately $300,000 to $350,000. He felt very little marketing would take place prior to the improvements. Commissioner Banks suggested taking care of structural improvements first and then marketing the house prior to its completion so a potential buyer can choose the carpeting, cabinets, etc. , and thereby saving money for both the buyer and the City. Mr. Henderson commented he felt this could leave the City open for liability. , Commissioner Preston asked what that liability might be. Mr. Henderson stated there are a couple of potential liabilities 1) Safety hazards from allowing the public access to the house before it is totally finished; and 2) the buyer could hold the City responsible for faulty installation of fixtures and/or other improvements. Commission Preston felt that staff will have a good idea of the potential problems and will be able to disclose them to the buyer at the time of purchase. Commissioner Preston then asked if a specialist in the field of historic homes would be marketing the house. Mr. Henderson noted that a realtor familiar with the geographic area would be selling the home. Commissioner Preston stated in that case, he would be inclined to agree with Commissioner Banks' suggestions regarding the inside improvements and garage preference of the potential buyer. Commissioner Banks questioned if the house could be converted to a low impact business use. Mr. Henderson stated the buyer would be eligible to file an application to do so. HPC MINUTES - 2 - NNE 6, 1991 Commissioner Hanks remarked that she had a client who may be interested in purchasing the house for a wedding chapel only; no receptions would be held on the premises. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. John O'Neil, 5656 Hellman Avenue, Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91701, stated he he lives approximately 500 feet from the property where the house is to be moved and he objects to moving the "old" house into a neighborhood of "quality, contemporary" homes. He felt the house would detract from the neighborhood. Commissioner Preston clarified that the issue before the Commission is not whether the land use is appropriate because that determination was made by the Planning Commission prior to this public hearing; the issue before the Commission tonight is to determine how that landmarked structure will now be altered or changed. Mr. O'Neil stated if that were the case, his suggestion would be to turn the house into a contemporary, custom home. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Preston asked staff if the present proposal includes landscaping. Mr. Henderson commented that at this time it does not include landscaping. Commissioner Preston asked if provisions had been made for the security of the house during and after the move. Mr. Henderson stated that had not been discussed yet. Commissioner Banks wanted to ensure that there would be a degree of flexibility in the agreement between the City and the potential buyer for finishing off the house. Commissioner Preston suggested a memorandum of understanding to that effect. Mr. Henderson suggested acquiring the opinion of the realtor selected to sell the property and returning to the Commission with a memo regarding the interior and garage issues. He also stated that staff and the Commission could work informally on the issues. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Cooper, carried 6-0-1, approving Landmark Alteration Permit 91-01 with the understanding that an informal memo will come back to the Commission regarding the interior issue. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, BANKS, COOPER, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ --carried HPC MINUTES - 3 - JUNE 6, 1991 NEW BUSINESS B. REVIEW OF THE HIPPARD RANCH MILLS ACT CONTRACT Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks stepped down from the podium and refrained from the discussion of the contract because it was a potential conflict of interest for her. The Commission had a discussion regarding the contract and then concurred their approval (Commissioner Banks abstained) . # * * # * C. INITIAL DATA ON STATUS OF SWEETEN HALL - Oral Report Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner presented the oral staff report. She updated the Commission with the information that the hall is used by many community. organizations, including four or more Head Start classes per week. She commented that the Cucamonga Service Club presently owns the building and the building currently meets all code requirements. Ms. Hartig also sent landmark information to the building owner. Commissioner Billings commented that the Head Start Program at Sweeten Hall was the highest rated Head Start program in San Bernardino County. Commissioner Cooper added that the land was originally given to the school district by the Milliken family and the present building is the second school built at the same site (probably built between 1917 and 1922) . * # * * * COMMISSION BUSINESS Commissioner Banks asked for an update on the Price Club facility. Ms.. Hartig replied that currently the project is in the Design Review process and staff is working with the applicant on the major mitigation measures. She further commented that Price Club has strict guidelines and corporate policies regarding the design of their facilities which do not necessarily meet with the City's standards and a great deal of negotiating has taken place. * * # * * Commissioner Banks requested that staff create and update a list of available historic properties for sale. HPC MINUTES - 4 - JUNE 6, 1991 Commissioner Billings commented that the Alta Loma Honor Roll is being restored and prepared for the move to the new location by a Boy Scout troop and the Mount Baldy Building Association. He also stated that he still has the two panels from the original dedication. ANNOUNCEMENTS Mr. Henderson gave a brief explanation of how the Ledig House will be moved next week. Mr. Henderson announced that the Chaffey-Garcia house has been tentatively allocated $47,000 in funds from the Community Development Block Grant Funds for restoration of the structure. The formal authorization will have to be made by the City Council through a Subrecipient Agreement with the Etiwanda Historical Society. Commissioner Banks commented that the Fourth Annual Rummage Sale for the Chaffey-Garcia house will be held on Saturday June 8, 1991. ' PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no public comments- ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8:45 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Shelley A. trelli Secretary HPC MINUTES - 5 - JUNE 6, 1991 May 22, 1991 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA CITY COUNCIL MINUTES Adiourned Joint Meetina City Council and Historic Preservation Commission A. CALL TO ORDER An adjourned joint meeting of the Rancho Cucamonga City Council and Historic Preservation Commission was held on Wednesday, May 22, 1991, in the Rains Room of the Civic Center, located at 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. The meeting was called to order at 7:10 p.m. by Mayor Dennis L. Stout. Present were Councilmembers: William J. Alexander, Charles J. Buquet II, Diane Williams, Pamela J. Wright, and Mayor Dennis L. Stout. ' Present were Commissioners: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Eugene Billings (arrived 7:20 p.m. ) , Steven Preston, and Chair Bob Schmidt. Absent were Commissioners: Ada Cooper and Alan Haekvitz. Also present were: Jack Lam, City Manager; Brad Buller, City Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner; Sigmund Dellhime, Management Analyst II; Tarry Smith, Park Planning/Development Superintendent; and Jan Sutton, Deputy City Clerk. R R R R t R B. CITY COUNCIL CONSENT CALENDAR B1. Approval of the Environmental Initial Study, Parts I and II, for the proposed Haven Avenue, Westside Parkway Beautification Project - Deer Creek Channel, to Highland Avenue and approval of Resolution and issuance of a Categorical Exemption therefor. RESOLUTION NO. 91-134 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING THE ENVIRONMENTAL INITIAL STUDY AND ISSUANCE OF A CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION FOR THE PROPOSED HAVEN AVENUE WESTSIDE PARKWAY BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT - DEER ' CREEK CHANNEL TO HIGHLAND AVENUE City Council/Historic Preservation Commission Minutes May 22, 1991 Page 2 MOTION: Moved by Alexander, seconded by Wright to approve the Consent Calendar. Motion carried unanimously, 5-0. C. JOINT ITEMS OF DISCUSSION Mayor Stout stated this meeting was one in a continuing series between the Council and the Commissions and various agencies to enhance communication, and he stated items that were on the agenda were not there for any action to be taken, other than possible direction on the part of the Council or Commission. Cl. DISCUSSION REGARDING ESTABLISHMENT OF A HERITAGE PARK FOR PLACEMENT OF HISTORIC HOMES Councilmember Williams stated she had this item placed on the agenda because this had been considered at one point, and she was wondering what the status was on that idea, especially after the problems they just had with the Ledig House. Commissioner Arner stated the Commission has discussed this recently, about saving and moving houses, and then selling them. Councilmember Wright stated that you would need a piece of property in order to ' do that, and though the Council discussed several possible locations in the past, most of those locations have now been developed. Commissioner Banks stated she needed clarification as to what to discuss, because a heritage park could be set up in three different ways. One way would be to move the houses, develop them commercially, then sell them, which allows the public access to the houses since they are being used commercially. Another way would be if it was developed into a museum complex, but did not feel that was financially feasible in this community. The last way would be to move them into an area where they could be resold and maintained privately. She felt that was more like their land bank program, as opposed to a heritage park. She asked if there was a direction the Council was interested in. Councilmember Williams stated she was interested in what the Commission was doing. Commissioner Banks stated that after a joint meeting held with the Planning Commission, they decided to pursue the land bank idea, an idea of buying the land and moving the houses to that, and not necessarily all right next to each other, but in close proximity. Councilmember Wright thought another use would be to place a house in a park, restore it and develop it to be a centerpiece of that park, and use it as part of the recreational activities. ' Commissioner Banks stated that had been the original intention of the Ledig House, to move it to Arrow Route and let the City use it. City Council/Historic Preservation Commission Minutes May 22, 1991 Page 3 ' Councilmember Buquet stated there were cost considerations in moving a structure, and though there are times when you have to realize the importance of the structure, sometimes those cost considerations were a main factor. He felt if they did not set a goal now, and try to designate an area as a heritage park, they will not have that opportunity in the future. He also felt they did not have the resources currently to set up a heritage park, nor did he feel the museum concept was viable. Commissioner Preston stated doing historic preservation was difficult in that it was not perceived as everyone's desire. He thought it was the feeling of the Commission that preservation works best when it was economically productive, and the more that heritage parks are built as museum pieces, the less you are able to integrate preservation as a movement into the larger goals of the community. Councilmember Buquet stated they have had to be careful in the past to avoid people coming and threatening to force the City to purchase a house or it would be moved off-site to allow for development. He felt they needed to increase the incentives for property owners to do the restoration of the buildings, at least the facade, and maybe a staged process for restoring the inside. Commissioner Banks felt Rancho Cucamonga was on the cutting edge as far as offering incentives. She also felt the Commission had a lenient attitude towards ' adaptive re-use. She felt they needed to educate the community on the incentives that are in place, and the Commission has formed a community outreach committee in order to facilitate that education. Councilmember Alexander asked how they go about designating something as an historic landmark. Commissioner Banks stated they are trying to only consider sites at the applicant's request, as opposed to picking out what they considered significant places because they were meeting too much owner resistance. She felt they were still having a lot coming before them due to the development in the City. Commissioner Preston stated they usually try to get the major issues decided in one evening, and two at the most. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, stated there were about a half dozen homes that are clearly threatened, or will be threatened, by development. Councilmember Wright asked if they had any type of long range master plan that addressed ideas such as using a certain number of homes for a heritage park, or in a park site, or for rejuvenating an area such as Amethyst in Old Alta Loma and using those restored houses for commercial uses. Commissioner Banks felt they had two long range plane, one was studying Old Alta Loma as an Historic District, which would have a lot of design criteria and ' redevelopment possibilities, in addition to if there was a vacant piece of land, being able to move something onto it, and secondly the land bank program. She City Council/Historic Preservation Commission Minutes May 22, 1991 Page 4 ' stated the problem is that they have had a slow start on the land bank program, and they need to be out acquiring land for the program, then it will be in place when they have a threatened structure. She stated the only structure that has been able to utilize that program so far was the Ledig House. Councilmember Buquet stated in retrospect they should have made it a condition of approval that the developer move the Ledig House to the other site. He felt they have learned from that experience and could be more aware in the future of similar situations. He also felt instead of having all the structures located at the same spot, they should be in proximity to their original locations. Mayor Stout stated their were two things they learned from the Ledig House experience, one was that they overestimated the commercial value of the structure, and the second one was that moving it any distance from the original site would be very costly and possibly cause damage to the structure. Commissioner Preston stated a few months ago they talked about reviewing what was available and trying to prioritize their importance, and stated staff has generated a current work program which is divided into several categories, such as every day tasks, what could be done with available staff, and things they would like to explore but would need to find a funding mechanism to handle. He stated that program was outlined but they have it on hold pending the City's , budget review. He also felt that with the next General Plan revision they should set up a historical preservation or cultural resource management element of the Plan. Mayor Stout asked if they would have to wait for the end of a cycle, couldn't they revise it prior to the next review which would be in approximately four years. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated they could adopt that element prior to the whole General Plan review cycle. Councilmember Buquet stated he would be supportive of having something adopted into the General Plan so that it could be considered when a development comes in for processing. i f f f 1 f C2. DISCUSSION OF OUINCENTENNIAL CELEBRATION Chair Schmidt felt they should commemorate the Columbus celebration, maybe slanted more towards the mingling of the the European, Native American and African cultures; progress in mathematics, geography, and navigation; and most importantly agricultural. He stated they were working on reviewing what has been developed by various government agencies, and when they have all the information collected and reviewed, they would report on it further to the Council. ' Mayor Stout asked if they had any type of formal proposal for the Council formulated yet. City Council/Historic Preservation Commission Minutes May 22, 1991 Page 5 tChair Schmidt stated he would like to commemorate it similar to what they have done in the past, and that he was going to check with the Chamber of Commerce to see if they were going to work it in next year in any way. He asked the Council what length of time they would be interested in conducting the celebration for. Consensus was for a short celebration. C3. DISCUSSION OF ARCHIVES PROGRAM Commissioner Arner stated one of their concerns was that now they have a location for the archives, they did not know how it would be staffed. She stated one of their original ideas would be to have an intern from a university. They have had a manual developed by a professional archivist, but still needed to decide things like would there be an archive room that was open to the public, who would staff it, if there would be a trained person to work with volunteers, and someone to advise what should or should not be in the archives. Councilmember Williams asked if there would be any grants available that would pay for staffing. Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, stated archival grants are very hard to come by. Councilmember Williams felt this would qualify as a library program, and thus would be qualified for some library grants also. Councilmember Buquet stated they could look for sponsorship from a local company to offset the costa. He stated they would need to prepare a proposal to take to the companies outlining what their needs were and the costs involved. Councilmember Williams asked how much would it cost for staffing. Commissioner Banks stated currently they were planning on staffing the facility only half time, so approximately $10,000.00 per year. Councilmember Buquet felt that would be a reasonable amount to obtain, possibly with joint sponsorship. Jack Lam, City Manager, asked if this would be something where an intern could come in and set up the program, and then have it taken over by volunteers. Councilmember Buquet stated they could possibly set up an ongoing internship in conjunction with U.C. Riverside. City Council/Historic Preservation Commission Minutes May 22, 1991 Page 6 ' Mayor Stout stated they might want to offer some type of stipend for the intern, especially working with graduate students, because they would usually be looking for a sophisticated setting to learn as much as they possibly could, and felt the City' s program was not to that point yet. He also stated that Target Stores was interested in specific programs for grant purposes, and thought the Commission should contact them to fund the archive program. Mayor Stout stated they might want to start a program of taking some of the documents in the archives to various schools in the community, a travelling exhibit of sorts, to increase their awareness of local history. He felt these documents were assets, and should not be kept in a basement room all the time. Commissioner Banks stated with their outreach subcommittee they were trying to have an impact on the school system, and could incorporate both long and short range history. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, stated they have looked at duplicating a lot of information that is in the archives and having a history center in the library at Central Park, in addition to their outreach program. The Council discussed the pros and cons of moving the original documents from the archive area for exhibits. ' R fi R M R R C4. DISCUSSION OF ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM AND HISTORY CENTER Commissioner Banks stated when this was first discussed, the Council felt this was a priority item. She stated they have had a slow start, what with a change in personnel, going through the interview process and lining up the funding, but was concerned that with the current budgetary constraints funding for the program would be cut. She was looking for confirmation that the Council was still committed to this program. Councilmember Wright asked if they have collected any recordings yet. Commissioner Banks stated they have done none yet. Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, stated they have been working on the contract with Knox Mellon, who was the State Historic Preservation Officer for many years, and once they have all the legal requirements worked out, they can proceed immediately. She stated that some of the information collected on various projects has been oral and has been recorded and filed, along with work on the Old Alta Loma area, but that has been done on a staff level. Once they have the contract worked out, then they will get the approval of the Community Foundation for the release of funds. Councilmember Wright asked if they have looked into a national grant source for funding. City Council/Historic Preservation Commission Minutes May 22, 1991 Page 7 Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, stated there are some grants available through the state, that range from $1,000.00 to $1,500.00, but they receive many requests. She stated there are not a lot of funding sources available for local projects. She stated one year's budget would be $12,000.00, which would cover twelve interviews. She stated another creative funding avenue they have taken is having development mitigation fund oral histories when applicable. Councilmember Buquet felt that whenever there was a grant opportunity available, staff or the Commission should pursue it, within reason of course. He felt they needed to look for local sources for funding and create their own financial program. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated they were trying to work out a unit cost so that could approach sponsorship at different levels. Councilmember Buquet felt they needed to set up a full range of funding, from corporate levels down to unit costs for interviews, and if that amount was significant, splitting it down somehow. He thought once it was started people will be interested and will financially participate to be involved in that history. He stated he would like to see them get creative because traditional funding sources are not available anymore. ' Councilmember Wright stated there seemed to be a perception that the Council was not ready to fund the program, when she felt they were saying let's work together to find funding, maybe for the Commission to work on some proposals and then when they have some ideas, bring it to the Council so they can help identify the funding sources. She did not want the Commission to be so concerned about funding that they would not present worthwhile ideas to the Council because they thought there be insufficient funds available. Councilmember Buquet stated he would like a follow-up on this from staff or the Commission in ninety days. Commissioner Arner stated they touched on the topic of a history center when they were speaking about the archive program. She stated there are a lot of residents that have things they would donate to a history center if they could be assured that they would be safe and not distributed into the community. Councilmember Wright stated the current plans for the library include a history room, but it will depend on the funding that is received and how the construction of the building is conducted. Commissioner Arner felt there were a lot of people who felt it was not safe to give things to libraries. She stated that libraries she has visited that had successful history programs had a separate room that was staffed, and the materials inside did not ever leave the facilities. Commissioner Preston asked if the library would ever be run by the City as opposed to the County. City,Council/Historic Preservation Commission Minutes May 22, 1991 Page 8 Jack Lam, City Manager, stated that would hinge on what occurs with the library funding, and the administration of the library tax funding. He stated they are defining the master plan as to what the community needs, and looking at contingency plans if they are not successful in receiving a grant. Councilmember Williams stated one of the tasks of the library consultant is to determine the legal documents needed to transfer operation of the library from the County to the City, if that need arises. C5. DISCUSSION OF BUDGET A. Funding Preservation Prolects - Working with the Redevelopment Agency on activities within the Agency boundaries. B. Other Funding Options. C. Land Bank Program. Commissioner Preston stated the Commission was aware of the budget problems facing all cities this year, and though they understand the large budget decisions are things only the Council has the right to make, they have discussed ' in the Commission programs they would like to initiate. In order to accomplish those plans, though, they would need additional staff. As the Commission understood it, at this time the funding for the historic preservation program was drawn entirely from the General Fund, but they have . discussed using the Redevelopment Agency to a greater extent in a couple of different ways. The first way would be that there are many cases where the decisions on preservation are decisions that enable development to proceed, so in some cases a staff planner working on the project could have that time funded by the Agency as opposed to the General Fund. The second way would be if a developer approached the Agency at a meeting and stated they did not agree with proposed historic preservation on a project, and they were wondering if the Agency would be interested in approaching the preservation-redevelopment link in a way that the preservation deals are turned as part of the deal points in an owner participation or disposition and development agreement. Jack Lam, City Manager, stated they Agency has $50,000.00 in the land bank program, because it was felt that program was related to the purposes of redevelopment. He stated that if projects were done in the redevelopment area, there might be funding available, but they could not necessarily go outside of that area, and cautioned about marginal projects. Councilmember Buquet stated they were just trying to express that the state was reviewing all uses of redevelopment funds because they wanted to be able to confiscate that money if used improperly, so they wanted to be careful projects were done properly. City Council/Historic Preservation Commission Minutes May 22, 1991 Page 9 Commissioner Preston stated he was only talking about redevelopment projects, things that would be benefitting the redevelopment of the community, so did not feel that would be a problem. He stated that historic preservation is a permitted activity of Agency funds, so he just wanted the Council to keep that funding source in mind. Commissioner Banks stated that in regards to the land banking program, she felt most of the Commission was not pleased with the process the Ledig House went through, that the house was not secured properly to avoid vandalism once the last owners moved out. Councilmember Buquet agreed that they needed to develop a procedure for maintaining property, to ensure that proper caretaking was maintained for the properties as they got into the land banking program. C6. DISCUSSION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT VERSUS PRESERVATION Commissioner Preston stated that the Commission has talked about when there is a case where they cannot balance the goals of preservation with the developer, how would the Council like the Commission to handle it. Would they want the ' Commission to just look at the historical impact excluding all economic factors that may come into play when making their recommendation, then send it up to the Council, or should they approach the projects with the awareness that in order to make a project move, they should shorten their list of interests to pursue and try to present to the Council something that already presents a compromise or reduction in requirement. Councilmember Buquet felt it was a matter of common sense. Commissioner Banks disagreed, stating she did not feel they were qualified to judge a project on monetary constraints, that the commission should just look at the historical merit of a project. Councilmember Buquet stated he thought the Commission should be able to take an approach that balanced as much of the variables as possible. The Council and Commission discussed various projects from the last year and considerations that might have been made at the Commission level. Mayor Stout stated he felt the Commission should be helping the Council to analyze why something was historically significant, making a recommendation of some sort as to what can be done to make it work, but as far as the economics of a project, he felt the Council was who ultimately made that decision. He stated he did not want the Commission compromising a situation to where he could not tell why they made their decision and what was important. City Council/Historic Preservation Commission Minutes May 22, 1991 Page 10 Councilmember Wright stated she felt that with all the Commissions when they were reviewing a project, they were looking at it with the City's interest in mind, not necessarily the developer's interest in mind, and that would be the aspect she would like this Commission to take when reviewing a project. She stated they could consider all of the aspects, including the economical, in the report, but the determination should have to do with whether or not there was historical significance. Councilmember Buquet left the meeting at 8:45 p.m. Commissioner Banks stated she felt that is how the Commission has been making their decisions, but they were looking for direction if that was how the Council wanted decisions made so that when it goes before Council it will be understood the context the decision was made in. Mayor Stout felt economic considerations were a different issue, and should be handled at the Council level, that the Commission should focus on the historical aspects with a solid recommendation, so the Council could work out a compromise with the developer. He felt the City had a strong commitment when it was felt that something was historically significant, and presented information on the ' Virginia Dare Winery project as an example where they placed historical significance over economic considerations. Commissioner Preston presented information on how the Commission can go about getting documentation on a structure for their historical files without necessarily having to permanently preserve that structure and delaying or changing an economically sound development. C7. AFFIRMATION OF SUPPORT FROM CITY COUNCIL ON DEVELOPER FUNDED STUDIES Commissioner Banks stated that in the last six months or so, the Commission has come up with some innovative ways to fund studies and restoration. She stated this was something new for them to be doing and the developers are not used to historic preservation being a mitigation practice, and they were looking for affirmation from the Council that this was the direction they want the Commission taking because it could be controversial in the beginning. C8. DISCUSSION OF ROUTE 30 ISSUES Commissioner Preston left the meeting at 8:55 p.m. +wxxw• City Council/Historic Preservation Commission Minutes May 22, 1991 Page 11 Commissioner Banks stated they are the only commission that presently has a subcommittee looking at Route 30 in detail. She stated they are looking at the draft EIR, which is still confidential, they are videotaping the route, they are walking the route and looking at every structure and the vegetation. She stated she was concerned about the process that would occur when they can develop proposals once the EIR was released. It was her understanding that whatever report the Commission develops would go through the Planning Commission first, and she was concerned that their report would be watered down when given to the Council. Mayor Stout stated he has not ever seen that happen. He stated if the Historic Preservation Commission has an opinion on something, the Planning staff has always included a section in the report that addressee their concerns, without a position being taken by the Planning Commission. He stated the report the Council will see will include opinions from both bodies for the Council to review. Commissioner Banks stated they would probably be some strong statements from the Historic Preservation Commission, and felt they had a real opportunity to have some state funded preservation in conjunction with Route 30. Councilmember Wright stated she would like the Commission to identify things that ' will be problems and list suggestions on what needs to be done to mitigate against those problems. Commissioner Banks stated they are taking steps in that direction, and have found the response from the state to be excellent on this matter. Mayor Stout stated another issue to address is that Rancho Cucamonga is not the approving authority for Route 30, that SANBAG is the agency that has jurisdiction, with input from Caltrans and the federal transportation people. He stated that when dealing with these groups, Rancho Cucamonga would be an insignificant geographical location to them. He felt to impress them with the importance of the issues, it would have to be presented in a very logical and precise manner, or they will ignore preservation issues and deal with other things first. Councilmember Wright stated if there was a structure in the way that needed to be preserved, the City would have to be responsible in seeing that was done, and not rely on other agencies to do that. Commissioner Banks stated they have suggested the state purchase a piece of property where they could relocate a threatened structure of significance, then they could sell it. That way the state would be fronting the money instead of the City. Commissioner Billings stated that Caltrans has done a tremendous amount of preliminary work, and felt that Caltrans was going to be cooperative in this matter. City Council/Historic Preservation Commission Minutes May 22, 1991 Page 12 C9. DISCUSSION OF ITEMS OF MUTUAL CONCERN Mayor Stout felt they needed to keep in mind that what was being done today would be historically significant in the future. He stated he would like the Commission to suggest any ideas they might have to the Council on what they should be doing today if that was possible. Commissioner Arner felt they could not predict what would be historically significant in the future, but they could be sure to document what happens today to be available to future generations. Councilmember Wright thought that Route 66 was an example of recent history that happened inadvertently. You can tell that people did not give it any significance, it was just a way to get somewhere, but now it is considered in a nostalgic way and people are trying to preserve it. She felt you could not do something with the intention that it was for history, you could only document what was done because the passing of time would determine what will be significant. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, thought possibly what the Mayor was ' expressing would be something like what the City of Fullerton did with their transportation center, where they took what was basically a slum area and vacant lots, and over the last ten years they have bought the train station, built a parking structure, brought in another station, converted a restaurant, and put in landscaping and parking, and are even talking about expanding it because it has been so successful. He thought some day that might be viewed as historically significant because they took part of the old and combined it with part of the new and made a better center. Councilmember Wright stated the Cucamonga School District will be celebrating their centennial next year and thought the Commission might be interested in that. Councilmember Wright stated she would like to get some information regarding a hitching post that was reportedly still standing on Foothill Boulevard near Rochester Avenue, and she was wondering if anything was ever done about preserving that. She also stated they have spoken in the past about putting markers out for buildings that have been preserved to help identify them for the community, and wanted to know the status of that. Councilmember Wright felt they needed a program to continue educating the public of the historical buildings in the community. Commissioner Banks stated the sign program was moving ahead, that there were braes plaques on a few locations. Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, stated a developer was picking up the cost for the prototype, and what they were trying to determine now was if the City could initiate putting up plaques. City Council/Historic Preservation Commission Minutes May 22, 1991 Page 13 ' Mayor Stout asked if it would be possible to put out a map that showed the location of all the historical items in the City. Commissioner Banks stated the community outreach subcommittee was working on producing that. She stated they are working on producing a walking tour for the schools in the Etiwanda area since they cannot always afford field tripe that involve buses. She felt the Commission could do a lot of things, but that the public needed to be aware of them. The Council and Commission discussed various ways of promoting historical tours in the City. D. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC D1. John Anicic, Jr. , Fontana Historical Society, complemented the Council and Commission on their open communication, and stated he felt Rancho Cucamonga had a very good historical preservation program. ' E. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Moved by Williams, seconded by Wright to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously, 4-0-1 (Buquet absent) . The meeting adjourned at 9:30 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Jan Sutton Deputy City Clerk Approved by the Historic Preservation Commission: June 6, 1991 Approved by the City Council: June 19, 1991 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting May 2, 1991 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: NONE STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Associate Planners Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli, Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Arner, carried unanimously, 7-0-0, to approve the minutes of the April 4, 1991 Historic Preservation Meeting, as amended. r r NEW BUSINESS A. DETERMINATION OF STATUS OF THE RED HILL WATER TANK, 8410 FOOTHILL BOULEVARD - APN: 207-101-31 Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Mr. Ed Hopson, Attorney at Law, Covington and Crowe, Ontario, CA, representing the applicant, Arroyo de los Osos Development, expressed his client's view that the water tank did not exhibit historical significance. He commented that the water tank was built only for the purpose of protecting the Sycamore Inn in the event of a fire and that it was never part of the local area's irrigation system, according to the property owner, Mr Verne Hinrichsen. Mr. Hopson requested, on behalf of his client, that the Commission not take the recommendation of staff to require any mitigations for the water tank's demolition. He also mentioned that he had not had time to get estimates for a HABS/HAER level documentation on the tank. However, he indicated he had spoken with Mr. Van Wormer who had done the original documentation on the HPC MINUTES - 1 - MAY 2, 1991 related Sycamore Village project, and Mr. Van Wormer had indicated that type of documentation would cost several thousand dollars. Commissioner Preston felt that historic significance does exist for the water tank because of its close association with the Sycamore Inn and asked Mr. Hopson if he agreed. Mr. Hopson did not agree. He felt the benefit the community would receive by retaining the water tank would not be equal to the expense incurred by the developer. Commissioner Preston asked Mr. Hopson if he understood that the Commission bases their findings on a wide range of issues, and many other than economic. Mr. Hopson stated that he realized that but felt perhaps the Commission would be willing to forego the request because of the expense. There was discussion between Commissioner Preston and Ms. Hartig about the level of historical significance and Commissioner Preston recapped his understanding of the discussion. He concluded that a demolition mitigation would include a HABS/HAER survey record with photographs, a site plan, elevations, details, a framing plan, and a narrative description. He asked if any portion of the documentation could be reduced or eliminated, thereby reducing the cost to the developer. Ms. Hartig replied that she was willing to work with the applicant and that it should cost no more than $2,000. Commissioner Preston asked Mr. Hopson if that option would be acceptable to his client. Mr. Hopson responded yes; if the documentation costs could be reduced, they would be willing to work with staff on their suggestion. Mr. Verne Hinrichsen gave a brief overview of the tank,'s history stating it was built in 1946 by the Cucamonga Water District for a secondary water supply, as well as fire protection, for the Sycamore Inn. He stated that several years ago a large fire had destroyed a portion of the tank's roof and the use of the tank was discontinued at that time. Commissioners Billings and Cooper both remarked that the tank was not used for irrigation in the community and they did not feel this particular tank held much historical significance for the area. Commissioner Banks supported the suggested documentation process prior to destruction. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Banks, carried 5-2-0, that the Historic Preservation Commission identify the Red Hill Water Tank as a potential Point of Interest, require the owner to complete full NABS/HAER-quality documentation, with the total cost not to exceed $2,000, and staff is to work with the applicant to keep the costs reasonable. HPC MINUTES - 2 - MAY 2, 1991 AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, COOPER ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried + + x x x B. REVIEW OF THE LORD HOUSE MILLS ACT CONTRACT Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Preston, carried unanimously 7-0-0, to approve the Mills Act Contract for the Lord House and to recommend it for approval by the City Council. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, BANKS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ' --carried x + x + x OLD BUSINESS x + x x x C. "CELEBRATE YOUR HERITAGE" PROGRAM UPDATE - Oral Report Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, updated the Commission regarding the plans for the "Celebrate Your Heritage" program which includes the photo opportunity at 10:00 a.m. in front of Thomas Winery on May 14 and the historic lecture/slide show in the Council Chambers at 7:00 p.m. that evening. « x x + x D. ROUTE 30 EXTENSION SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATE - Oral Report Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, updated the Commission on the status of the EIR for the Route 30 extension and informed them that the draft EIR/EIS has yet to be released. HPC MINUTES - 3 - MAY 2, 1991 x + + + + E. STOEBE HOUSE UPDATE - Oral Report Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, presented the oral staff report. He told the Commission that the City has not located the owner of the Stoebe property. He further commented that the City was close to initiating an abatement on the property which would involve repairing the house and placing a lien against it. Commissioner Banks stated the property was currently in a legal dispute over the ownership. F. CHAFFEY-GARCIA HOUSE UPDATE - Oral Report Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, informed the Commission that after an inspection of the Chaffey-Garcia House by staff and the Community Development Block Grant representative, it has been determined that the property is eligible for Community Development Block Grant funds. The program will be a long-term project, taking approximately one to three years to complete. Commissioner Banks mentioned that there will be a rummage sale at the house on June 8 for anyone interested. Mr. Henderson mentioned that staff is working with Mr. Salazar of L. A. Chenko ' on the plans for disassembling of the Foothill Frostless Barn (formerly known as the Wells Barn) to ensure that the wood, hardware, etc. will be usable for the Chaffey-Garcia Barn. G. DISCUSSION OF AGENDA TOPICS FOR THE JOINT HPC/CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON MAY 22, 1991 The Commission held a discussion on potential items for their joint meeting with City Council May 22, 1991. The following list contains items brought up as well as the Commissioner's name who suggested the item be discussed: 1 . QUINCENTENNIAL CELEBRATION - (Chairman Bob Schmidt) 2. ARCHIVES PROGRAM - (Commissioner Arner) 3. ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM AND HISTORY CENTER - (Commissioners Arner and Banks) 4. BUDGET ITEMS - (Commissioners Preston and Banks) a. Funding Preservation Projects - Working with the Redevelopment Agency on Activities within the Agency Boundaries HPC MINUTES - 4 - MAY 2, 1991 b. Other Funding Options C. Landbank Program 5. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT VERSUS PRESERVATION - (Commissioner Preston) 6. AFFIRMATION OF SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL ON DEVELOPER FUNDED STUDIES - (Commissioner Banks) 7. ROUTE 30 ISSUES - (Commissioner Banks) Commissioner Haskvitz mentioned he would check into the possibility of using a local cable television studio for historical educational programming so there would be no need to add the item to the agenda. x x x x x DIRECTOR'S REPORTS Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, informed the Commission that the City Council recently passed the final budget for the Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) funding. He stated that $163,000 of the total CDBG budget is slated for historic preservation activities. x x x x x ' COMMISSION BUSINESS Commissioner Preston asked that a date be set to bring the Sweeten Hall issue before the Commission. x x x x x ANNOUNCEMENTS Commissioner Banks mentioned that she had a call from Barbara Yellen, owner of the Goerlitz house, and the family may be selling the house in the near future. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, noted that plans were progressing smoothly to move the Ledig house soon. He mentioned he has a meeting set to determine which City departments would be handling certain aspects of the move. Commissioner Preston gave an update on the last Tree Preservation Subcommittee meeting. x x x x x PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no public comments. HPC MINUTES - 5 - MAY 2, 1991 ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 9:00 p.m. to a Joint Historic Preservation, Commission/City Council meeting to be held at 7:00 p.m. on May 22, 1991, at the Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, in the Rains Conference Room. Respectfully submitted, Shelley A. Pe elli Secretary HPC MINUTES - 6 - MAY 2, 1991 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting April 4, 1991 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Gene Billings STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli, Secretary * r * • r ' APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Banks, carried unanimously, to approve the March 7, 1991 Historic Preservation Meeting minutes as amended. r • r • r PUBLIC HEARINGS A. LANDMARK DESIGNATION 91-01 - THE MAGIC LAMP RESTAURANT - Consideration of an application to designate the Magic Lamp Restaurant (formerly Lucy and John's) , located at 8189 Foothill Boulevard, as an Historic Landmark - APN: 207-113-12 through 18. Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented the updated staff report which expanded the legal description to include the additional Assessor's Parcel Numbers needed to incorporate the decorative perimeter walls and sidewalk paving at the Magic Lamp property as part of the landmark designation. Chairman Schmidt asked for public comment. Since there were no public comments, he closed the public hearing. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Haskvitz, carried 6-0-1 , approving the Resolution of Approval for Historic Landmark Designation 91-01, the Magic Lamp Restaurant, located at 8189 Foothill Boulevard. HPC MINUTES - 1 - APRIL 4, 1991 AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried • w w w B. LANDMARK DESIGNATION 91-02 - THE LUCAS HOUSE - Consideration to designate the Lucas House, located at 8068 Archibald Avenue, as an Historic Landmark - APN: 208-153-01 Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Commissioner Banks asked if the stone foundation of the house had been reinforced. Mr. Taylor and Mr. Hawn, representing the owners, responded that they did not know if the foundation had been reinforced, but that the house appears to be structurally sound. Commissioner Banks inquired if the building would qualify for seismic retrofit. , Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, replied that he did not believe it would qualify, but he commented he would check with the Building and Safety Official regarding an inspection. A discussion ensued regarding the naming of the house. Early ownership patterns ( 1886-1915) are unclear and the two families that tie historically to the house for the longest period of time are the Nosenzo and Smiderle families. The Commission concurred that the structure should be landmarked as the Nosenzo-Smiderle house. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Preston, carried 6-0-1, approving the Resolution of Approval for Historic Landmark Designation 91-02, the Nosenzo- Smiderle house located at 8068 Archibald Avenue, and recommending it to the City Council for final action. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried HPC MINUTES - 2 - APRIL 4, 1991 OLD BUSINESS C. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 90-02 - HIX DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION Consideration of plans in compliance with previous Conditions of Approval for alterations to the property, landscaping, and main residence of the Lord House, located at 6797 Hellman Avenue - APN: 202-061-12. Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Bob Yoder, Hix Development, 437 South Cataract Avenue, San Dimas, commented that he had two areas he wished to clarify for the Commission. First, the only alteration Hix Development plans to make to the house is the removal of the attached open shed in order the get the required clearance needed for the garage. Secondly, he explained that they would prefer to move the sidewalk up against the curb, rather than having it behind the stand of palm trees. He stated if they were able to do this, they could put fencing behind the palms and therefore, facilitate the 4-foot grade transition required for drainage. The palm trees would have the appearance of being in the parkway, and Mr. Yoder viewed this change preferable to moving the trees. He concluded that the fencing proposed around the house would be a combination of slumpstone and wrought iron. ' Commissioner Preston inquired about the status of the Tentative Map. Mr. Yoder remarked that the Tentative Map was approved. Commissioner Preston questioned if the street .alignment could be adjusted to take one or two feet off the lots on the opposite side of the street rather than moving the sidewalk adjacent to the curb. He felt this would be more appropriate in keeping with the character of the original streetscape. Mr. Yoder stated that could be done, but he felt having the sidewalk adjacent to the curb was more appropriate because of the grade differential between the street and house. Mr. Henderson stated that Historic Preservation staff would be working with Current Planning staff to determine if there were other alternatives, but the City standards for this area recommend parkway adjacent to the curb. Commission Preston expressed he would like to see staff pursue alternatives to the proposal other than having the sidewalk adjacent to the curb. Mr. Henderson pointed out that the only area involved is where the palm trees are actually located, so possibly a meandering sidewalk could be used. Mr. Yoder observed that another area of adjustment could be the width of the landscaped parkway area; if that width was reduced to 4 feet, there would still be room for landscaping as well as picking up 3 feet to work with on the other side. HPC MINUTES - 3 - APRIL 4, 1991 Commissioner Banks asserted her support for a meandering sidewalk in front of the palms. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Haskvitz, carried 6-0-1, to approve the clarifications of the conditions of Landmark Alteration Permit 90-02 for the Lord House, located at 6797 Hellman. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT U NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried x x x x x Commissioner Preston requested that on projects returning to HPC for additional approvals, only the initial or major staff report (outlining the background of the project) be included as backup to a new staff report. He felt this would help avoid confusion. x x x x x -COMMISSION BUSINESS , D. PUBLIC OUTREACH UPDATE - Oral Report Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, informed the Commission that she and Larry Henderson had the opportunity to have several discussions with the new staff reporter from the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin. They gave her information on the Historic Preservation Commission and what kinds of projects the Commission is working on. Ms. Hartig also relayed the information that the owner of Knowlwood Restaurant was pleased with the idea of using his facility for the preservation week's "Grand Photo Opportunity". x * x x x E. DESIGNATION OF OUTREACH INFORMATION SUBCOMMITTEE Commissioner Banks, Haskvitz, and Arner volunteered to be on the Outreach Subcommittee. Commissioner Preston volunteered to be an alternate for the subcommittee. x x x x x F. ROUTE 30 EXTENSION SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATE - Oral Report Ms. Hartig commented that the Draft EIR had not yet been released and she was awaiting word from the City attorney regarding a few questions on the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) and the National Environmental Protection Act (NEPA) . HPC MINUTES - 4 - APRIL 4, 1991 + + + + + G. THOMAS WINERY ARTIFACTS ACCESSION AND DISPOSITION POLICY - (Report to be sent under separate cover) Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, explained that this would be an oral report and it was not sent under separate cover as previously indicated. He proceeded to list the artifacts that are in the storage space: Several barrels in a variety of sizes 155 concrete piers 1 wooden vat 1 wooden barrel 5 x 4 feet (in good condition) 5 wooden vats 13 x 12 feet in diameter 4 large barn gates Several 8-inch timbers A few windows and doors He expressed the need to set a goal for disposal of the artifacts and proposed a 90-day disposition date, beginning with the original acquisition date of March 7, 1991 . He commented that all the proceeds from sales of the artifacts should go into a fund for historical projects. He disclosed the plan he had designed as follows: 1 . Notify City departments of the available materials and suggested uses. ' 2. Notify outside groups (i.e. , chamber of Commerce, County Staff at Guasti Park, Etiwanda Historical Society, etc. ) about the availability of the artifacts to be donated for their use. 3. Materials left after the first two steps would be sold in a closed bid public sale. The sale would be appropriately advertised in local papers and historical periodicals. Money raised would be put into a revenue account for historic preservation purposes. 4. Staff will report back to the Commission on the results of all of the preceding steps. There was discussion about offering materials to local wineries and developers of new projects in the City. H. INITIAL DISCUSSION OF THE 1992 QUINCENTENNIAL PREPARATIONS Chairman Schmidt addressed the Commission relaying his idea for the Quincentennial preparations. He suggested developing a "lesson plan" and submitting it to each of the local schools. Mr. Henderson suggested developing additional ideas, an approximate budget, and a rough estimate of staff-time needed. He mentioned that the ' Administration Department is currently in charge of an organized volunteer effort to assist City staff and it may be possible to recruit help for the Quincentennial preparations. He noted this would be a good first project for the Outreach Subcommittee. HPC MINUTES - 5 - APRIL 4, 1991 Commissioner Banks expressed her concern that HPC staff time should be focused on HPC projects rather than concentrating on the Quincentennial preparations. Mr. Henderson remarked that the Commission may wish to bring up the Quincentennial preparations at their joint meeting with City Council to initiate interest and participation of all the City departments and staff. + + + + + ANNOUNCEMENTS Commissioner Preston inquired why the parking lot lamp posts at the Thomas Winery Center are still painted green. Ms. Hartig responded that recent discussions with the City Planner indicated that the lamp posts would remain green. Commissioner Preston requested that staff inquire again why the Commission's direction was not being followed regarding the color of the lamp posts. The Commission concurred on posing the question. Commissioner Preston wished to calendar a discussion on the condition and possible rehabilitation of Sweeten Hall. ' Mr. Henderson remarked that it was possible that, with the proper documentation, the building may be eligible for Community Development Block Grant Funds (CDBG) . + + + + + Mr. Henderson made the following announcements: 1 . City Council approved the preliminary application for CDBG funds which includes a significant amount for Historic Preservation purposes. The final hearing will be on May 1 , 1991 . 2. The CDBG consultant will be contacting Commissioner Banks next week regarding an inspection of the Chaffey-Garcia house to see if it is eligible for funds under the condition of either historic preservation or blight. 3. The HPC Commission and staff have been invited to a tour of the Mission Inn on April 11, at 10:00 a.m. 4. Another Route 30 meeting is scheduled at the Maloof house on April 10. 5. The Stoebe house is scheduled for a Code Enforcement/Building and Safety inspection next week to try and get the owner to finish the exterior work and file a Landmark Alteration Permit. HPC MINUTES - 6 - APRIL 4, 1991 6. The State Preservation Conference will be held May 9-12. Ms. Hartig, Chairman Schmidt and Commission Arner will attend. 7. A joint HPC/City Council meeting will be held on May 22, 1991 . A memo will follow to the Commission with the conference room and time of the meeting. He requested ideas from the Commission regarding priority items to be discussed at this meeting. Commissioner Preston indicated budget items, oral history, and ec ^comic development versus preservation as possible topics for the joint meeting. Commissioner Arner mentioned the implementation of the City archives p. :-ram and recruiting additional assistance as a potential agenda item. Commissioner Banks requested to defer further discussion on this subject nce it will be placed on the next agenda. The Commission concurred. + + + + + Commissioner Banks inquired about the status of the Ledig house. Mr. Henderson commented he would be sending the Commission copies of a memo was preparing for Councilmember Williams regarding expenditures for project. + + + + + Ms. Hartig -invited the Commission to come to the April 17 City Council meetir for the presentation of the proclamation for National Preservation Week t Chairman Schmidt. + + + + + PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no public comments. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 9:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Shelley A. Petrelli Secretary HPC MINUTES - 7 - APRIL 4, 1991 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting March 7, 1991 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: NONE STAFF PRESENT: Linda Daniels, Deputy City Manager Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli, Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: Moved by Billings, seconded by Preston, carried unanimously to approve the February 7, 1991 Historic Preservation Meeting minutes, as amended. OLD BUSINESS A. FISCAL YEAR 1991-1992 BUDGET REVIEW: GOALS AND WORK PROGRAM WORKSHOP 1. Linda Daniels, Deputy City Manager, spoke on the role of the Redevelopment Agency and the relationship to Historic Preservation. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, presented the opening comments stating the Redevelopment Agency has been very supportive of Historic Preservation projects. He then introduced Linda Daniels. Linda Daniels, Deputy City Manager, gave a brief explanation that the function of the Redevelopment Agency is to eliminate blight in the community. She stated in Rancho Cucamonga the primary blight conditions consist of flood control and economic development. She reiterated the agency's support in the area of Historic Preservation and mentioned a few of the projects being worked on jointly by Redevelopment and Historic Preservation staffs including low- income housing plans, development of an historic artifacts room at the new HPC MINUTES - 1 - MARCH 7, 1991 library, development of an archives center and the historic naming of the conference rooms at the Civic Center. She mentioned that the agency has been setting aside $50,000 per year for the last two years specifically for the purpose of preservation of historic structures and projects such as the Ledig house relocation. Ms. Daniels commented that currently the agency is examining the American National Can Company for the possibility of both affordable housing and commercial use. Commissioner Banks inquired from where Redevelopment Agency money comes. Ms. Daniels responded that the funds come from annual tax .assessments of improved properties; thus, the money the agency collects is turned around and put back into the community. She stated that recently funds have decreased because of the slowdown in new development. Commissioner Preston asked what percentage of the tax increment the Redevelopment Agency receives. Ms. Daniels responded the agency receives 39 percent. Commissioner Haskvitz inquired if there was a priority list. Ms. Daniels stated that priorities are established every year by Council and this year's priorities are; the Central Park Library, the Milliken Avenue underpass, the Fire Stations that are currently under construction, Foothill Boulevard, and the regional shopping center. Commissioner Preston asked how many full-time staff positions are funded through the agency currently. Ms. Daniels responded there are three staff positions and one clerical position; portions of her salary and the City Manager's salary are also funded through that budget. Commissioner Preston inquired if the agency consulted with the Planning staff regarding historic preservation aspects as they relate to Disposition and Development Agreements. Ms. Daniels stated that the information is usually brought to their attention by Planning staff members who normally have the first contact with a project. Commissioner Banks requested clarification on whether the landbank money had been used for the Ledig house. Ms. Daniels gave an update on the Ledig house stating two alternatives are currently being looked into: 1) relocation of the house to the Neighborhood Center site on Arrow Route and 2) relocation of the house on a donated lot for use as a private residence. She also stated that the City would most likely be buying the house from the agency and turn the money around for the landbank. Mr. Henderson clarified that the second alternative being considered specifies moving the house 600 feet to the east, on a lot facing Hellman, rehabilitating the house, and selling it for use as a private residence. HPC MINUTES - 2 - MARCH 7, 1991 Commissioner Banks asked if the landbank money is cumulative. Ms. Daniels responded yes, that the money has accumulated to a current figure of $100,000. Commissioner Haskvitz inquired about the renovation of the railroad depot on Archibald. Mr. Henderson replied that SANBAG is currently looking at the property for the commuter rail project and renovation could occur through that process through a mixing of various funds. Commissioner Preston asked at what level the agency is willing to commit resources for historic preservation issues on agency projects within agency boundaries. Ms. Daniels stated that the primary focus of RDA is economic development; the most feasible area funding of this nature could be used would be in the area of low income housing. Commissioner Preston asked if there was a possibility of using a portion of the "20 percent set-aside" money for preservation and low/moderate income housing linkage. Ms. Daniels responded yes and explained the Council subcommittee of Councilmembers Diane Williams and Bill Alexander support this type of use for the funds. Commissioner Banks requested maps with the RDA boundaries for a reference material for the Commissioners. Mr. Henderson stated that staff would see to it that the Commission would get a map. Commissioner Arner asked why the area of Arrow and Grove was not part of the RDA boundaries. Ms. Daniels stated that it meets the qualifications of being a blighted area but another requirement is that an area must be 85 percent developed to be in a project area today and the area does not meet that requirement. Mr. Henderson stated that the City has been able to fund certain repairs and restoration in that area with Community Block Grant Development (CDBG) funds because the area meets HUD's low/moderate income requirements. Commissioner Banks questioned why the Stoebe house qualified for CDBG funds. Mr. Henderson stated that the house is qualified under blight because of its deplorable condition and secondly, it does not meet certain Building and Safety code requirements (i.e. , electrical, plumbing, etc. ) . Commissioner Banks commented that under those circumstances she did not understand why the Chaffey-Garcia house did not qualify for these funds. HPC MINUTES - 3 - MARCH 7, 1991 Mr. Henderson stated staff could have the City's block grant consultant tour the Chaffey-Garcia house to see if it would qualify. 2. Review of Reformatted Budget and Work Program. Mr. Henderson presented a staff report on the budget and work program items when the Commission finished questioning Ms. Daniels. Commissioner Banks asked how staff would be handling the oral history program on the current budget. She voiced concern about the program because, in her dealings with the Mayor, she felt that this was a very high priority to him, as well as the Council. Mr. Henderson replied there were a couple of ways: 1) require funding for oral history as a mitigation measure on historic projects and 2) train volunteers how to conduct oral history programs. He commented that a requests for proposals to set up the oral history program has been prepared and is being mailed out tomorrow; part of the proposal process includes setting up a program to train volunteers. Ms. Hartig interjected that the Community Foundation has allotted a sizable amount for the program also. Commissioner Preston asked where the Estacia Court project and the John Klusman house fall in the work program. Mr. Henderson stated they would both fall under the Foothill Boulevard review. ' Commissioner Preston stated that it was his impression that the housing linkage program needed to be pursued more aggressively. Mr. Henderson explained that staff felt that item would fall under the process of landmark designations, landmark alterations and review of projects with impacts on historical resources. Commissioner Preston commented he felt the Commission was trying to pursue actual housing projects based on an historic preservation strategy. Commissioner Preston proposed developing a strategy for Council that utilizes historic structures to provide low/moderate income housing. He felt the Commission wanted to pursue a more active approach to the low/moderate income housing issues besides the funds in the landbank. He also felt that the Commission has an obligation to set a goal as to where they are headed over the next two to three years. He stated he wanted to ensure that all issues the Commission has concerns about are discussed, categorized, and prioritized with specific timeframes. Commissioner Arner stated that the Commission had talked several times about having land to put houses on rather than having them torn down. Ms. Hartig stated that she and Mr. Henderson had both been working very hard to set a precedence with the Ledig house on how historic houses should be moved and renovated; the work RDA is now doing on housing stems directly from the information that the HPC staff has given them. Ms. Hartig stated she HPC MINUTES - 4 - MARCH 7, 1991 would also like to pursue this item in a more pro-active manner and as a separate item. Mr. Henderson asked for an explanation on exactly what the Commission implied by the "housing linkage" strategy. He stated he needs to know what the program should contain and the amount of staff time required to pull it together; after that is established, he needs direction on where this item will fit in with the other priorities. Mr. Preston replied that it may be premature to give him that information because the Commission is still developing strategies and goals for the next two or three years and housing linkage may not be the only issue that will be developing through this process. Commissioner Banks requested clarification regarding the work program summary. She inquired if items could be moved around at the Commission's request from one meeting to the next. Mr. Henderson replied yes. Commissioner Banks requested a copy of the summary at every meeting so the Commission and staff could make changes in priority of individual items. Ms. Hartig stated she was working on employing a graduate assistant to help her work on special projects. ' Commissioner Banks inquired about the amount of staff's time projected for the Citywide archives' program. She felt three months of staff's time was excessive because there are more pressing issues given staff's limited available time and each City department should be setting up their own procedures for the archives' program. Mr. Henderson clarified that the archives' program included both archives and historical artifacts. He also told the Commission that the hours the archive center would be open can be very flexible and can be limited as staff sees fit. Commissioner Haskvitz stated he thought more research should be taking place to check out available grants. Mr. Henderson stated with the limited staff time available already, researching grants would not be very feasible, but he would appreciate hearing about any possibilities from the Commission. Commissioner Banks stated she wondered if this research couldn't be done by a graduate student or a volunteer. Mr. Henderson said staff would check on that possibility. He clarified that the Commission wanted a program added to the Work Program Summary to research and apply for grants. The Commission concurred. HPC MINUTES - 5 - MARCH 7, 1991 Commissioner Banks clarified that the item entitled "Etiwanda & Foothill SP Review/Update" on the Work Program Summary was actually intended for review as a potential historic district status for Etiwanda. Mr. Henderson stated that would also be added to the list. Commissioner Preston asked staff to ensure that public contact would be included in the Outreach Project and that this would be done on a regular basis. Commissioner Banks stated that she would like to see the Commission issue a press release each time the Commission does something positive for the community. Ms. Hartig asked if the Commission would be interested in forming a subcommittee for the purpose of public outreach. Commissioner Banks thought that was a good idea and that the program could eventually run without taking any of staff's time in much the same way that the Sesquicentennial "Know your History" program was organized. Chairman Schmidt commented that he regularly presents a slide show and oral history program to interested groups in the community. Commissioner Banks commented that volunteers would come forward to participate in the Outreach Program if they were aware of our programs and activities. The Commission concurred that they wanted to form a subcommittee. ' r • r + + PUBLIC HEARINGS B. LANDMARK DESIGNATION 91-01 - THE MAGIC LAMP RESTAURANT - Consideration of an application to designate the Magic Lamp Restaurant (formerly Lucy and John's Cafe) , located at 8189 Foothill Boulevard, as an Historic Landmark - APN: 207-113-12 through 14. Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented the staff report and recommended extending the landmark designation to include the decorative brick walls and paving along the property at the Foothill Boulevard boundary and therefore, enlarging the legal description to correlate to this extension. Commissioner Arner asked if the living quarters are currently upstairs. Ms. Hartig responded yes. Commissioner Arner stated that the back looks like the front used to look. Commissioner Cooper added that the building was originally green stucco . Commissioner Billings recalled the original restaurant being on the east end of the building located at the southwest corner of Archibald Avenue and Foothill Boulevard. HPC MINUTES - 6 - MARCH 7, 1991 Commissioner Cooper agreed with that statement. Commissioner Schmidt opened the public hearing. Tony Vernola stated it would please him and his family to have the Magic Lamp designated as a Landmark. MOTION: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Banks, unanimously approved 7-0-0, to continue Landmark Designation 91-01 to the April 4, 1991 meeting to re- advertise the extended property features identified by Assessor's parcel numbers 207-113-12 through 18. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, BANKS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried NEW BUSINESS C. "CELEBRATE YOUR HERITAGE" PROGRAM Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Arner asked if an advertisement would be done to publicize the large scale photo opportunity and if interested people from local communities could come. Ms. Hartig responded yes to both questions. Commissioner Banks said she envisioned this photo session taking place at the Thomas Winery in appreciation of the fact that the developer has gone through a tremendous amount of expense and effort to preserve it as an historical site. She felt we had asked a great deal from this developer and this would be an excellent opportunity to give something in return. Ms. Hartig stated she had some preliminary discussions with the owners of the Knowlwood Restaurant and they are very receptive to the idea of the historic photo opportunity. The Commission proposed the following potential heritage sites for possible publication: 1. The Christmas House 2. Garrett and Company 3. Chaffey-Garcia House 4. Sycamore Inn HPC MINUTES - 7 - MARCH 7, 1991 Mr. Henderson commented that the Commission could develop their own professional poster that shows key historical properties with information about that property on the poster. Ms. Hartig offered to bring back a few sketches for the "Know Your Heritage" poster. Commissioner Preston suggested using the poster that is available and developing ideas for a future historical poster which could possibly be used for a fund raiser. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested involving the schools in the process of developing sketches for the future poster. Commissioner Banks stated this idea should be part of the Outreach sub- committee. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Arner, unanimously carried 7-0-0, to accept staff's recommendations as outlined in the March 7, 1991, memorandum. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, BANKS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried ' COMMISSION BUSINESS D. ROUTE 30 EXTENSION SUB-COMMITTEE - Oral Report Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented an oral report. The sub-committee met discussed the following items: 1. Review of impacts resulting from removing the East Avenue interchange. 2. Recommended replanting windrows by the Ross' House. 3. Explore preliminary archaeological concerns surrounding the Goerlitz' House and Casaletti's Polka Palace. 4. Prepare a letter to landmark owners or potential landmark owners to inform them of the proposed freeway's impacts. Commissioner Banks stated that the subcommittee is also exploring re-alignment alternatives for properties that would be impacted by the freeway. she commented that there are about three alternatives to the route that would not impact the Maloof House as significantly as first thought. She further stated there was discussion on the Isles' House regarding the purchase of property for relocation of the house. HPC MINUTES - 8 - MARCH 7, 1991 Ms. Hartig commented that many high-level State and local negotiations are going on regarding the number of off-ramps, their locations, etc. She stated more information would be forthcoming from the City Engineer prior to the next meeting. Mr. Henderson stated that monthly negotiations taking place at the Sam Maloof house have been very beneficial. + + + + + E. DISCUSSION ON CANYON SIGNS Commissioner Haskvitz discussed the possibility of placing road signs for the canyons in the area to identify them. Commissioner Arner commented she thought people would may think they can drive up the canyons when they see the signs. Commissioner Banks agreed with Commissioner Arner and also stated she had concerns that the City would liable for potential injuries by encouraging the situation with the signs. Commissioner Haskvitz explained that a traditional road sign should not be used; perhaps HPC could come up with a design for an informational sign. Commissioner Banks commented perhaps the signs could be renderings of the ' mountains labeled with the canyon name. She thought this item may be more appropriately discussed within the Outreach subcommittee. She agreed with Commissioner Haskvitz that the people should have this information, but she was still concerned about creating an attractive nuisance and thought perhaps this would not be the best way to educated the public., There was some discussion regarding the possibility of a topographical map and it was decided to defer the matter the Outreach Committee. F. HERITAGE PARK SUB-COMMITTEE UPDATE - Oral Report Ms. Hartig updated the Commission on the status of the Heritage Park subcommittee. She stated that one of the Park and Recreation Commissioners has left the City and an election will be taking place this month for the new Commissioner; also included on their agenda will be dates to pick from for the next joint meeting. Commissioner Haskvitz felt that any organization or person that was to be honored by way of a sign on the walkway should incur the expense of the sign, but this perception was not shared by the full Commission. HPC MINUTES - 9 - MARCH 7, 1991 + + + + + G. REVIEW OF DRAFT LETTER OF GRATITUDE TO SAM MALOOF The commission - reviewed and suggested changes to the draft letter for Mr. Maloof thanking him for his offer to donate a piece of his joinery. + + + + + ANNOUNCEMENTS Commissioner Banks brought it the Commission's attention that the Etiwanda Historical Society has noticed a development in northeast Etiwanda (east of Summit school) that has incorporated historical names on their street signs with several spelling errors. She commented they also included the name of "Clark" and Mr. Clark objects because his family is not historical family to the area. Mr. Henderson stated staff would write a letter to Engineering with the misspelled names; however, the street that is incorrectly named will have to be researched and would require going through the normal process for a street name change. + + + + + Commissioner Arner questioned the color scheme chosen for the Alta Loma Elementary School. Ms. Hartig stated she was not consulted about the color choice and because it ' is not a local landmark, the Commission does not have input on color choice. + + + + Commissioner Preston stated that he and Ms. Hartig appeared before Council to provide information on the Guidera Complex/Foothill Marketplace. He commented that Council backed the HPC with a vote of 5-0-0 sending the message to the developer that the mitigations HPC recommended on the project were reasonable. Commissioner Arner asked if the Commission would be planning any events for the Quincentennial. Mr. Henderson suggested placing the item on the next agenda under Commission Business. + + + + + Ms. Hartig announced the upcoming Public Humanities Lectures on "Longing for Community - Dream or Nightmare" and passed out the corresponding brochure. HPC MINUTES - 10 - MARCH 7, 1991 Ms. Hartig reminded the Commissioners of the California Preservation Foundation Conference May 9-12 and asked which Commissioners would be interested in attending. Chairman Schmidt and Commissioner Arner stated they were interested. x x + x x Ms. Hartig announced the first landmark plaque is being negotiated for by Sahama Development for the Schowalter Rock Pile. She commented that the City would be trying to get some publicity on the first landmark plaque. Mr. Henderson gave the Commission an update on the remaining artifacts and wine casks donated by the developer from the Thomas Winery project. He stated the City had been given notice to move wine casks within two weeks and with the assistance of the Chamber of Commerce, staff was able to locate a donated storage area. He further commented it was a monumental task to move the artifacts and wine casks, but with the assistance of Yukon Disposal, their donated trucks and services, and the City maintenance staff, everything was moved into storage. He commented that staff would be bring back a policy next month regarding dissemination of the artifacts for the Commission to review. Commissioner Banks suggested the Guidera site for placement of a barrel. She asked if there is an inventory of the items in storage. Ms. Hartig responded she would be working on the inventory soon. Mr. Henderson stated that possibly some of the artifacts could be used in a fund-raiser for an historical fund if all the items are not dispersed to public entities first. He stated that staff is working with City Council on a proclamation for the people who helped staff with the project; staff is also working on a letter of gratitude to the Chamber. PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no public comments. + x x x x ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 10:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Shelley A. Petrelli Secretary HPC MINUTES - 11 - MARCH 7, 1991 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting February 7, 1991 Vice-Chairman Gene Billings called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Vice-Chairman Billings then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Bob Schmidt STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner; Larry Henderson , Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli , Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Arner, carried 5-0-1-1 (Banks abstained for December 6, 1990, and Cooper abstained for January 3, 1991) , to approve, as amended, the Historic Preservation Commission minutes of December 6, 1990, and January 3, 1991 . NEW BUSINESS ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIRMAN Moved by Preston , seconded by Haskvitz, carried unanimously 6-0-1 , to appoint Bob Schmidt as Chairman of the Historic Preservation Commission. Moved by Arner, seconded by Haskvitz, carried unanimously 6-0-1 , to appoint Steve Preston as Vice-Chairman of the Historic Preservation Commission. HPC MINUTES - 1 - FEBRUARY 7, 1991 OLD BUSINESS. B. TREE PRESERVATIONS ORDINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATE - Oral Report Vice-Chairman Preston summarized the first ad hoc Tree Preservation Subcommittee meeting of January 22, 1991. Representatives were present from all of the Commissions except Environmental Management. Staff Representatives included Otto Kroutil and Rick Gomez. The purpose of the meeting was to familiarize all the Commissioners with what the existing Tree Preservation Ordinance provides for and to get preliminary ideas on what types of topics the Commissioners would want to see addressed. Minutes for the meeting were completed; however, they had not been approved yet and were unavailable for this meeting. Issues Vice-Chairman Preston introduced were as follows: (1) Possible protection of street trees by code (2) Provisions for protection of trees on private property within street dedication rights-of- way (3) Consideration of the entire context of an historical site as it pertains to the preservation of existing trees (4) Historic Preservation Commission review of trees on culturally significant sites (5) Codification of a provision stating that no tree removal permits will be issued until all discretionary applications are in place (6) Promotion of a City-wide policy of "greening the environment" (7) Implementing a provision in the Ordinance to provide dis-incentives for removing trees and incentives for adding or preserving trees (8) Consideration of a wider protection zone around trees beyond the dripline (9) Additional definition of the survival replacement ' formula, secured by bonds or cash deposits, to ensure the first five years of life for the replacement trees. Commissioner Haskvitz added a summary of his comments at the meeting. He suggested more emphasis be placed on public education with the use of special grants to promote tree preservation. He also felt more effort should be put into saving the orange groves in the area. Commissioner Banks stated she would like to see the tree replacement policy more adequately address appropriate tree replacement size and type in the future. She also wished to draw the subcommittee's attention to the stand of Magnolias on East Avenue at Highland. She commented that the Magnolias were always harvested for Mary Pickford's movies. The Commission requested that Commissioner Haskvitz and Vice-Chairman Preston keep them apprised of discussions at future meetings. C. FORMATION OF A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR REVIEW OF PRELIMINARY ROUTE 30 EXTENSION R Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, explained to the Commission that a subcommittee was needed to review the draft EIR/EIS and. nominations proceeded. Commissioner Arner nominated Commissioners ' Haskvitz and Banks. The Commissioners accepted the nominations with the consensus of the Commission. It was decided that staff and the subcommittee would meet at a later date to go over the draft report. HPC MINUTES - 2 - FEBRUARY 7, 1991 D. LOCAL SITES IMPACTED BY ROUTE 30 EXTENSION - Oral Report (Staff report received and filed) . Ms. Hartig summarized her Staff Report and listed the sites eligible for National Register designation that are affected by the Route 30 Extension: (1) The Sam and Alfreda Maloof House, (2) the old Goerlitz house (El Camino Real Wedding Chapel ) , (3) the Isle house, (4) the Etiwanda royal historic landscape with windrows along Highland, also running north and south on East Avenue and (4) the Mueller house. Other potential local resources that are not eligible for National Register, but important to our community, include (from west to east) : (1) the Ellen Loeb house, (2) The Hillman house, (3) the Minor house, (4) the Gosney Ranch, (5) Cassaletti 's Polka Palace, (6) the Ross house, (7) the Kemp house, (8) the Tibbetts house. Ms. Hartig stated it would be up to staff to propose specific mitigations to protect these properties if they are deemed locally significant by the local Commissions with CEQA standards rather than NEPA standards. Vice-Chairman Preston requested definitions of CEQA and NEPA for those not familiar with these terms. Ms. Hartig explained that NEPA stands for National Environmental Protection Act and is the umbrella under which the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) was written. The National standards ' draft environmental statement is an Environmental Impact Survey (EIS) ; whereas, the State standards ' draft environmental statement is an Environmental Impact Report (EIR) . NEPA uses Section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act which again applies the ' toughest standards in the country, the National Register of Historic Places. Section 106 details the standards of quality and significance for structures eligible for the National Register of Historic Places. The process involves an environmental review of cultural resources impacted by conditions such as street widening or freeway extension. After the determination is made of which structures are eligible for the National Register mitigations are imposed. Section 106 does not deal with structures that are ineligible for National Register and regards the context of the structure as highly important. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, summarized further by saying that NEPA applies to any Federally funded or conducted project. The Route 30 project involves Federal , State and local funds. Staff will be contacting legal counsel to determine if CEQA guidelines would also apply to the extension project. If so recommendations would be made to the Commission and the State would be informed of the impacts and mitigations. Commissioner Banks inquired if landmark proceedings should be started on the Maloof house and other historically significant structures to help protect them. Commissioner Billings informed the Commission he had spoken with Mr. Maloof and that proceedings are underway now for National Registration of his house. Commissioner Banks felt that staff could get owner consent to landmark the Mueller house. HPC MINUTES - 3 - FEBRUARY 7, 1991 Mr. Henderson commented that a landmark designation is not necessary to apply mitigation measures to the EIS. He also stated staff is attempting to achieve the best results for the City of Rancho Cucamonga by trying to preserve and protect as many of our local landmarks as possible. He stated that there is no information indicating that any local landmarks will be destroyed; however, they will be impacted. He informed the Commission that the level of the impacts can be minimized if the Commission writes and insists on very tight mitigations. Commissioner Banks stated that the Isles house is in the right-of-way of the Route 30 Extension and is definitely under threat of destruction. Mr. Henderson replied that the best measure may be to relocate the structure. Commissioner Cooper asked if proposed mitigations would increase the cost of the extension a great deal . Mr. Henderson responded that mitigations do increase costs but they are necessary for the general safety of the public and/or for protection of the cultural resources. He also commented that the potential for detrimental litigation, if the measures are not imposed, makes the mitigations the inexpensive choice. Vice-Chairman Preston iterated he felt the staff was stating they wanted the Commission, as representatives of the City, to be good negotiators by identifying the policy issues and leaving the rest to the staff members on the ' Committee to negotiate the best deal for the City. Mr. Henderson agreed. Commissioner Banks wished to correct the implication that by being a member of the committee she is against the freeway. She further stated her feelings, either for or against the project, will not be part of her job as member of the committee, which is to carry out her assignment as an historic commissioner and preserve historic structures and cultural resources in the City of Rancho Cucamonga. Commissioner Haskvitz inquired if the Commission will have access to information and agreements between the owners and Caltrans regarding the properties. Vice-Chairman Preston stated that the proposed mitigation measures will have to appear in the draft report. Mr. Henderson commented that the actual agreement between the property owner and Caltrans includes a Memorandum of Understanding which details each parties responsibilities ; the Commission will not have a formal review of the documents, but they will possibly be involved through staff's involvement with the property owners. Ms. Hartig summarized by stating that staff recommends the level of research t be maintained and additional information be brought to the Commission's attention in the future. HPC MINUTES - 4 - FEBRUARY 7, 1991 The Commission recessed at 7:53 PM and reconvened at 7:59 PM. E. FISCAL YEAR 1991-1992 BUDGET REVIEW: GOALS AND WORK PROGRAM WORKSHOP, R Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, presented the Staff Report. Vice-Chairman Preston asked how the Commission will be prioritizing Work Program items that they feel are important. Commissioner Banks suggested prioritizing the list and submitting it to staff before the next meeting. Brad Buller gave the Commission some suggestions on how to prioritize their lists with consideration for man-hours required to perform specific tasks. There was some discussion on how to rate the items before the Commission agreed and decided to return their priority lists by February 25. Vice-Chairman Preston stated he felt the Commission needed to address two areas: (1) identify preliminary budget requests and (2) discuss the projected goals as they relate to the budget. ' Brad Buller, City Planner, spoke to the Commission regarding the current budget situation of the City. He summarized the economic conditions currently prevailing in the United States and haw those conditions have effected the Federal , State, and in turn, the city budgets. He discussed other items including low census figures and slow development and explained how they have also had an effect on the upcoming City budget. He stated he did not know at this point how the situation would unfold and that is the reason examining and expressing priorities is so important at this time. On a more positive note, he stated he was pleased with the training program developed by Ms. Hartig and Mr. Henderson. He felt it would increase the City's resources and expertise in the field of Historic Preservation as well as helping historic staff with the current and projected workload. Commissioner Haskvitz asked if staff was researching the possibility of getting grants to supplement funds. Mr. Buller stated that there are normally grants available but many of them require matching funds or they are meant for non-profit organizations. Vice-Chairman Preston agreed with Commissioner Haskvitz in that he also felt perhaps grant research should have a place on the priority list. He asked what portion of HPC funds come from agency coffers rather than the General Fund, Mr. Buller replied that all of HPC funds come from the General Fund. HPC MINUTES - 5 - FEBRUARY 7, 1991 Vice-Chairman Preston inquired about the possibility of having a portion of redevelopment expense set aside for HPC programs. Mr. Henderson stated that the RDA Agency has set aside $50,000 for the past year and the same amount for this year for landbanking acquisition. Vice-Chairman Preston proposed having other agencies within the City the HPC staff provides assistance for, on historic site issues in order to process their projects, share in the expenses incurred by HPC to supplement the General Fund. Commissioner Banks commented that much of the Etiwanda area extends beyond the RDA boundaries. Mr. Henderson agreed that old Alta Loma and Etiwanda would not be covered by these funds. Vice-Chairman Preston felt it was important to consider this option further. He also felt it was important to point out to Council , that through the implementation of the training program for current planners and having the private sector pay for their technical studies, efforts are being made to transfer some of the financial burdens. Mr. Buller explained the new fee structure system and stated it was hoped that the new fees will be adopted at the same time or before the next budget is adopted. He further stated this should help recoup funds for the City. ' Vice-Chairman Preston continued the discussion until next month 's regular meeting. F. MARCH MEETING - PREVIEW Ms. Hartig introduced potential local landmarks for next month 's meeting: (1) The Magic Lamp Restaurant (formerly Lucy and John 's) and (2) the blue house/antique shop on Archibald just north of Foothill on the west side of Archibald. ANNOUNCEMENTS G. CALIFORNIA PRESERVATION FOUNDATION CONFERENCE Ms. Hartig informed the Commission that this year's meeting will be May 9-12 in Santa Barbara and asked if any of the Commissioners wished to attend. Commissioners Arner, Banks, and Schmidt tentatively stated interest in going to the conference. Commissioner Haskvitz expressed an interest in exploring the possibility of having road signs made to indicate the names of the canyons in the area. HPC MINUTES - 6 - FEBRUARY 7, 1991 The Commission agreed to discuss it next month. Ms. Hartig announced that the Point of Interest Designation for the Guidera property is going to City Council on February 20, 1991 . Vice-Chairman Preston asked if HPC was looking for a representative to speak to Council about the mitigation measures. Commissioner Banks nominated Vice-Chairman Preston to represent the Commission and the Commission concurred. Commissioner Arner mentioned that the Carnegie Library in Upland is now on the National Register of Historic Places. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 9:01 PM. Respectfully submitted, `� J a . Shelley A. Petrelli Secretary HPC MINUTES - 7 - FEBRUARY 7, 1991 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting January 3, 1991 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Ada Cooper STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli, Secretary t r � PUBLIC HEARING A. CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS 90-03, 90-05, AND 90-06 - Resolution recommending designation of the project site of the proposed Foothill Marketplace as an Historic Point of Interest with mitigations -- Point of Interest Designation 91-01: The Campanella, Guidera, and DiCarlo homes and vineyards located at 12573, 12601, 12617, 12675, 12705, 12743, 12777, 12801, 12807, 12811, 12821, and 12881 Foothill Boulevard, APN: 229-031-03 through 13. Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, stated she had no additional findings as this item was continued from last month and asked the Commissioners to comment on the mitigation measures listed in the Resolution of Approval. Commissioner Banks felt that the wine industry in the community had not been given enough significance and suggested the project owner make a substantial contribution to reconstruct the Chaffey-Garcia barn (which will be a Local Landmark upon its completion) to house, display, and document local wine industry artifacts and the local Etiwanda wine industry. Commissioner Preston asked staff to explain the test of reasonableness and how it would apply to these mitigation measures. HPC MINUTES - 1 - JANUARY 3, 1991 Mr. Henderson explained that the conditions must be reasonably related to the issue being discussed. Commissioner Preston then asked whether this condition passed the test and if it would be acceptable. Mr. Henderson concurred. MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Preston, unanimously carried by a 6-0-1 vote, to add a mitigation measure, Condition No. 7, to the Resolution of Approval stating that the project owner shall make a contribution, not to exceed $100,000, to establish a fund for the reconstruction of a 2,000 square foot barn at the site of the City-owned Chaffey-Garcia house where local wine industry artifacts will be documented and displayed. The said funds shall be donated prior to the issuance of demolition permits. The design of said structure shall follow the design of the original Chaffey-Garcia barn and the execution shall be subject to the review and approval of the Historic Preservation Commission in the form of a Landmark Alteration Permit. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, BANKS, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER --carried MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Preston, unanimously carried by a 6-0-1 vote, to amend mitigation measure Condition No. 5 of the Resolution of Approval stating that the developer shall incorporate the familial and agricultural past of the area into some form of commissioned public art which is integral to the architecture of Foothill Marketplace. This art shall be a realistic portrayal of this area's past and the project owner will submit no less than three alternatives in no less than three different artistic mediums for the Historic Preservation Commission's review. The final specifications for this artwork shall be approved by the Planning Commission. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, HANKS, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER --carried HPC MINUTES - 2 - JANUARY 3, 1991 + + + + + Commissioner Arner requested striking out the words "offer to" from mitigation measure Condition No. 3. of the Resolution of Approval. There was a discussion on the possibility of developing a policy regarding the retention of historic structures to be moved to City-owned land and the possibility of developing a "land bank" to ensure the protection of specific structures that were worthy of saving, but because of particular circumstances, might otherwise be destroyed. Commissioner Preston brought up the issue of integrating such a policy into the Housing Element and suggested a memo stating that the Historic Preservation Commission was interested in addressing this issue during the next Housing Element revision. Commissioner Haskvitz requested the mitigation measure Condition No. 1 of the Resolution of Approval be changed to state "City-administered" rather than "City-approved" MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Arner, unanimously carried 6-0-1 , to adopt the Resolution of Approval with the amended mitigation measure changes to Condition Nos. 1 , 3, and 5 and the addition of a Condition No. 7. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, BANKS, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER --carried + + + + + OLD BUSINESS B. REVIEW OF ARCHIVES AND HISTORY CENTER MANAGEMENT MANUAL Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, discussed the pros and cons of the manual and asked for input from the Commission. Commissioner Banks asked for clarification regarding loaning out archive materials. Ms. Hartig replied that they would only be available on a curatorial basis; they would not be available to the general patron and/or individual. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested creating a mobil exhibit consisting of a display board with pictures and descriptions of Historic Landmarks for display in public places to show the community the progress of the Historic Preservation Commission. HPC MINUTES - 3 - JANUARY 3, 1991 Ms. Hartig suggested also creating brochures/pamphlets with Historic Preservation Commission information. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, suggested a review of the Historic Preservation Commission's budget and goal setting items be set for the next agenda. The Commission concurred. Commissioner Preston asked what the staffing and budget included for the archive program. Ms. Hartig stated that, at this point, she was the only staff person working on the archive program. It was the concensus of the Commission to discuss this item further on the next agenda with the goal setting and budget items to be discussed. : • * r r C. LEDIG HOUSE UPDATE - Oral Report Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, updated the Commission on the progress of moving the Ledig House. He stated that it was estimated the move would cost approximately $100,000; most of that amount would have to be used to underground the utilities according to the utility company. He further commented that staff was looking into some other options; the first one is that Rick Gomez, Community Development Director, would be contacting the ' utility company to see if any "good will" money would be available for the undergrounding of the utilities. The second option would be to alter the house structurally by cutting the roof and lowering the height of the structure and rebuilding it. A third option would be to try and appropriate additional funds through City Council from the Community Block Grant Fund. NEW BUSINESS Commissioner Banks inquired on the progress of City's involvement with the Route 30 project. Ms. Hartig stated she was waiting for the EIR which was to be available in January. The Commission decided to have their regularly scheduled meeting for July on July 11 because the normal meeting date is a national holiday. Staff will check on the availability of the Council Chamber for that date. Chairman Schmidt inquired about the possibility of hiring a part-time person to work with the archives. Mr. Henderson stated that item would need budget approval, but it is an option that could be considered. HPC MINUTES - 4 - JANUARY 3, 1991 DIRECTOR'S REPORT Mr. Henderson informed the Commission that Anthea Hartig had been promoted to Associate Planner. Ms. Hartig commented that it was time to vote for Chair and Vice Chair of the Commission again and that this item would be on the February agenda. r + w w ANNOUNCEMENTS Commissioner Arner commented that the Chairman Schmidt had received his five year service pin. • t : * r PUBLIC COMMENT There were no public comments. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8:24 PM. Respectfully submitted, Shelley A. Petrelli Secretary HPC MINUTES - 5 - JANUARY 3, 1991 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting December 6, ,1990 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the 'City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt. COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Marsha Banks STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli , Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: Moved by Billings, seconded by Preston, carried unanimously 6-0-1 to approve the Historic Preservation Commission minutes of the November 1 , 1990. PUBLIC HEARINGS . A. LANDMARK DESIGNATION 90-03 - CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA - Consideration of an application to designate the Guidera inert', Tocated at 12737, 12743, 12777 Foothill Boulevard, as an Historic Landmark - APN: 229-031-08. B. LANDMARK DESIGNATION 90-05 - ROUTE 66 FILLING STATION AND RESTAURANT - CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA - Consideration of an app ication to esignate 12811 Foothill ou evar as either an Historic Landmark or an Historic Point of Interest - APN: 229.-031-12. C. LANDMARK DESIGNATION 90-06 - CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA - Consideration of an application to designate the site an or Ouse located at 12801 Foothill Boulevard as either an Historic Landmark or an Historic Point of Interest -- APN': 229-031-09. HPC MINUTES -1- DECEMBER 6 , 1991) Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, presented the combined staff report for the Items A, B, and C as they were related items. Following the presentation of the staff report, a videotape of the sites was shown. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Joe Guidera Jr. gave historical information on the families and sites. He stated that his father, Joe Guidera, along with Joe and Nick DiCarlo, came to the United States in 1914 and settled on Rochester Avenue originally. They purchased the house and land on Foothill in 1927 or 1928 and started their winery. The winery operated until 1968 before it shut down. Commissioner Preston asked for the families ' personal opinion of landmarking the property. Mr. Guidera responded he felt it would be a nice legacy to his father and also the era, and he would favor the landmark status. Commissioner Preston asked what the current status of the proposed shopping center was. Scott Murphy, Associate Planner, responded that staff was just beginning the initial stages of review. He also commented it was possible that an Environmental Impact Report may be required. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. , Ms. Hartig commented that the community was outstanding and should be remembered. She recommended staff return to the January 3, 1991 HPC meeting with a resolution that contains specific mitigations designating the entire site as a Point of Interest. The mitigations would include an oral history program of the families; the commissioning of public art that thematically pertains to the families, culture, and area; full architectural documentation of the remaining structures; and that issuance of demolition permits be prohibited until building permits were obtained for the project. Commissioner Arner suggested naming streets, buildings, etc. after historic people from the area. Mr. Henderson suggested the Commission could recommend advertising one or more of the craftsman houses for sale and relocation. Commissioner Haskvitz requested the item be continued to the next regularly scheduled meeting. Chairman Schmidt re-opened the public hearing. MOTION: Moved Haskvitz, seconded by Billings, carried unanimously 6-0-1, to continue this item until the January 3, 1991, Historic Preservation Commission meeting in order that staff may return with a revised resolution which includes the following mitigation measures: Point of Historic Interest designation ; oral history project; public . art, full architectural documentation; no demolition until building permits are issued; use of historic names on project buildings; and offer one or more of the historic structures for sale. ,HPC MINUTES -2- DECEMBER 6, 199D OLD BUSINESS D. MUNICIPALS ARCHIVES UPDATE - Oral Report Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, stated that the final draft of the Municipal Archive Manual is complete and will be presented for review and comment to the Commission at the January 3, 1991 Historic Preservation Commission meeting. Commissioner Haskvitz requested a letter be sent to Sam Maloof regarding his offer to donate a piece of his joinery for the archives. E. CUCAMONGA COUNTY WATER DISTRICT/ASSOCIATED TELEPHONE COMPANY EXCHANGE BUILDING UPDATE - Oral Report Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, stated she spoke with George Blanchard regarding the underground tunnel in Redhill . The tunnel traverses north to south from Base Line and follows the contours of Red Hill ; the small concrete building above the Sycamore Village site is the outlet for the pipeline. She further commented that until 1955 the Water District and the San Antonio Water Company used the tunnel on a regular basis. The pumping of water by the Water Company has been discontinued because of the existing drought conditions; however, water still drains from the pipeline continuously into the storm ' drain under the Sycamore Inn. Ms. Hartig commented that she has informed the project planner for Sycamore Village of the water drainage situation so he may instruct the project architects to take this problem into consideration. Ms. Hartig informed the Commission that she had also spoken to Mr. Blanchard regarding the concrete block addition to the Associated Telephone Company Exchange Building. The structure will be approximately 3 to 4 feet high and used to store concrete and sand for on-site construction. F. ROUTE 30 EXTENSION REVIEW - Oral Report Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, stated she had the letter prepared to Caltrans requesting the Environmental Impact Study for the Route 30 Extension. Ms. Hartig commented she walked the site of the Goerlitz house (El Rancho Grande Wedding Chapel ) with Caltrans Engineers and Planners as they tried to determine how the rights-of-way, the old trees, and the vegetation on the site would be affected by the Route 80 Extension. She further explained that Caltrans would be having another on-site meeting to discuss the possibility of saving some of these historical features from destruction. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, informed the Commission that Paul Rougeau of the Engineering Department would be the City's official representative for negotiations on the Route 30 Extension. HPC MINUTES -3- DECEMBER 6, 199D NEW BUSINESS Commissioner Haskvitz asked about the progress of the Heritage Park Historic Walkway Project. Ms. Hartig stated she would check into it. Commissioner Preston raised 'the point that the Commission is sometimes asked during the public hearing process to make recommendations on Landmark status of certain properties without adequate information_ He felt that the Commission should be reviewing potential projects only after a complete Environmental Study or a determination of completeness on the application had been completed. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, answered that he and Anthea were in the process of training the Current Planning project management staff to do the initial analysis and prepare reports for the Historic Preservation Commission. He stated this should be "on-line" as of the first of the year. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested putting this issue on the next agenda. The Commission agreed. DIRECTOR'S REPORTS There were no Director's Reports to present. COMMISSION BUSINESS There was no Commission Business to present. ANNOUNCEMENTS Chairman Schmidt announced the annual Casa de Rancho tour on December 7 and 8. PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no Public Comments presented. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation. Commission adjourned at .8:48 PM. Respectfully .,�submitted Shelley A. Petrelli .HPC MINUTES -4- DECEMBER 6, 199D CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting November 1 , 1990 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks (arrived 7:07 PM) , Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston , Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: NONE STAFF PRESENT: Shintu Bose, Deputy City Engineer; ' Rick Gomez, Community Development Director; Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli , Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES: MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Haskvitz, carried unanimously 6-0-1 , to approve the minutes as amended from the October 4, 1990 Historic Preservation Commission meeting. PUBLIC HEARING Chairman Schmidt heard item B first to await the arrival of Commissioner Banks for Item A. B. UPDATE ON THE THOMAS WINERY TENANT IMPROVEMENTS - Oral Report Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, updated the Commission regarding the changes to the Thomas Winery Tenant Improvement Plans. She stated that the County examined the greasehoods for the proposed shell and determined the space was inadequate to accommodate the greasehoods. The greasehood forms need to be ' shaped, which in turn will affect the dormers. She commented that the best solution staff and the architect could come up with was to split the greasehoods and make two dormers rather than the one originally planned. She HPC MINUTES - 1 - NOVEMBER 1 , 1990 noted the second change was minor and involved notching the beam over the conveyor belt to allow the belt to pass through. She stated the last item was a request by the architect to add a plexi-glass roofing to the building interior to allow restaurant patrons to see the attic and conveyor belt system. A. UPDATE ON THE ETIWANDA AVENUE ROCK CURBING SOUTH OF BASELINE TO FOOTHILL Ms. Hartig presented the staff report. Rick Gomez, Community Development Director, commented that the present curbing installed was not an oversite but rather to keep costs down at this time until the development in the surrounding area was finalized; at that time, the rock curbing would be installed. Commissioner Banks asked where the next rock curbs funded by the City would be installed. She stated that the Council had previously committed to allocating $25,000 per year to restoring the curbs because not all of the curbs will be replaced by development and much of the development has already occurred. Mr. Gomez suggested bringing back to the Commission a study to determine past allocations and determining that amount of dollars and targeting the areas that future development would not be responsible for. Commissioner Banks commented that the Commission provided input in the past on , rock curb placement with City funds. She believed the first stretch funded by the City was placed in front of the Chaffey-Garcia house. The Commission then requested the rock curb be continued from the Chaffey-Garcia House north and then south to the church. She stated that the Commission 's input and the program seem to be forgotten. Mr. Gomez stated he would go back with the Engineering capital improvement section, develop a program, look at the future funding for the allocations mentioned and present a report on how this would be implemented. C. UPDATE ON THE SYCAMORE VILLAGE PROJECT - Oral Report Larry Henderson, Principal Planner stated that the applicant's arborist report had come back with the information that most of the significant trees were filled with concrete and were not expected to survive much longer. Mr. Henderson said this occurred several years ago because the trees had rotted and were filled with concrete to keep them from blowing over in the wind. The City' s arborist had indicated that to construct this project would require removing approximately 80 percent of the existing trees. Because the two reports differed greatly, the two arborist' s are working to compile a concensus report which will be discussed with staff and the applicant. He further commented that the project planner requested a cultural resource review as part of the initial study and as a result, the County has suggested a more in depth archeological study. Mr. Henderson summarized that the t project is still in a preliminary stage and the initial study is still being reviewed. HPC MINUTES - 2 - NOVEMBER 1 , 1990 i' Commissioner Preston inquired if the City's Tree Preservation Ordinance contained a policy on dripline protection of trees. Mr. Henderson responded that there was no stated policy but an arborist's report is normally requested to address such issues. He further commented, in this case, the arborist had determined approximately a 180-foot diameter dripline for each tree, which would make the site undevelopable. Commissioner Preston asked what criteria was used to determine whether a tree would be considered for preservation. Mr. Henderson responded that the tree diameter and the arborist's report were both criteria used for determinations. Commissioner Preston inquired what stage the environmental process was in for the project. Mr. Henderson stated that the applicant has completed Part I and staff will complete Part II after reviewing Part I, along with the arborist's report, and the other environmental documents. Commissioner Preston asked what other items the Planning Department would be looking for besides the possibility of an expanded archeological report and test bores. Mr. Henderson stated that the County Archeologist, Lester Ross, indicated that the walkover was spaced too far apart, there was one discovered Native American site, a high probability that there was a stage coach stop at the site and that he would like to have some more sub-surface tests done. Commissioner Preston asked if staff anticipated problems with the applicant if an expanded archeological study was determined necessary. Mr. Henderson replied that the applicant is aware of that possibility. Commissioner Preston requested the Commission have the opportunity to see the Initial Study documents once they are available. Ms. Hartig stated that she would recommend that only after building permits were pulled for the first phase of the Sycamore Village project would the Red Chief Motel be demolished. Commissioner Banks inquired why the Sycamore had not come back to the Commission as a public hearing for Landmark designation. Mr. Henderson explained that City Council and the applicant had agreed that the Landmark process would not be initiated until their project had been approved. Commissioner Cooper asked staff to check into what was going to become of the underground water tunnels near the sight. She stated that during World War II HPC MINUTES - 3 - NOVEMBER 1 , 1990 these tunnels were to be used to protect the school children in case of bombings. Commissioner Billings stated the tunnels were under the control of the Cucamonga County Water District (CCWD) . Commissioner Banks suggested bringing Lloyd Michaels from CCWD back before the Commission and ask what the plans are for these tunnels. Chairman Schmidt requested staff to investigate and bring back information to the Commission at a later date. NEW BUSINESS D. UPDATE ON THE STOEBE HOUSE Ms. Hartig presented the oral report. She explained that owner of the Stoebe House, Jack Hall , has obtained a new contractor to rehabilitate the structure who is enthusiastic about the restoration. E. APPOINTMENT OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO THE CITY TREE ORDINANCEPRESERVATION Mr. Henderson explained this item came up at the last Council meeting and it ' was decided that a task force should be formed with two members from each Commission ; Historic Preservation , Public Safety, Environmental Management Commission and the Planning Commission to scrutinize the current Tree Preservation Ordinance. There was some discussion on the "Greening" movement which creates a natural cooling effect with trees and landscaping. Commissioner Preston and Commissioner Haskvitz were chosen to represent HPC on the Tree Preservation Task Force. COMMISSION BUSINESS Commissioner Banks mentioned that there is a small brick telephone building between Etiwanda and East (believed to be a switching station built in about 1930) which is owned by CCWD and is currently being altered. It was her recollection that the building was not to be altered and she questioned if CCWD was required to have permits for these alterations. She stated that the property was on the HPC survey list. Mr. Henderson stated that any water facilities that are water transmission facilities are exempt from local regulations. Commissioner Banks stated the building has nothing to do with the transmission HPC MINUTES - 4 - NOVEMBER 1 , 100C of water and reiterated that it was a telephone switching station. She further commented that a block wall was being constructed as part of the current building. Mr. Henderson responded that staff would check into the situation. Commissioner Banks stated that she and Chairman Schmidt had attended the Route 30 meeting recently and she wanted to express that the only way to negotiate for specific ideas and structures would be through the City. She would like to see HPC pursue an educational process and then develop a policy to present to Council . She felt that HPC should have a policy statement to present to Council to incorporate into the City's negotiations with the State. The Commission concurred. Ms. Hartig commented that she had requested a copy of the full historic study from Sacremento Caltrans. She also stated the Caltrans Historian had told her to ask as a Commission to receive a copy of the Environmental Impact Report (EIR) . Mr. Henderson stated that staff would prepare a letter for the Chairman 's signature. Commissioner Preston asked who was responsible for the City's negotiations regarding Route 30. ' Mr. Henderson replied that both Engineering and Planning had responsibilities that overlapped and the departments would be getting together shortly to decide who will have the lead position and to ensure corroboration of City's the best interests. F. CHARLESTON: LESSONS AND SIGHTS - Slide show presentation Ms. Hartig and Commissioner Preston presented slide shows on their recent trip to Charleston , South Carolina for the National Historic Preservation Conference. A discussion ensued and comment was made that the Commission 's budget was used well on the conference. ANNOUNCEMENTS G. CALIFORNIA PRESERVATION FOUNDATION'S EARTHQUAKE PREPAREDNESS SEMINAR, Ms. Hartig stated that if any of the Commissioners. are interested attending the Earthquake Preparedness Seminar to contact her. HPC MINUTES - 5 - NOVEMBER 1 , 1990 PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no public comments. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 9:11 PM. Respectfully submitted, `�Shelley A. Pe re11i Secretary HPC MINUTES - 6 - NOVEMBER 1 , 1900 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting October 4, 1990 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7 :00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California . Chairman Schmidt then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS : PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz , Steven Preston , Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS : ABSENT: NONE STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli , Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES : MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Haskvitz , carried unanimously 7-0-0 , to approve the minutes from the September 6, 1990 Historic Preservation Commission meeting . PUBLIC HEARING A. LANDMARK DESIGNATION 90-04 ROTH'S STORE AND POST OFFICE Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Billings stated the building had previously been used as a meeting place for the Alta Loma Community Club and at one. time there was a painting of Cucamonga Peak on the north wall painted by Mr. Goerlitz . He further commented that Ernie Hall had been a shoe repairman by trade and that he was having financial problems when someone offered Ernie financial backing if he would open up the beer hall . In addition to the beer hall , the family also ran a restaurant on the premises and Ernie's wife cooked the meals . Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing . HPC MINUTES - 1 _ OCTOBER 4, 1990 Commissioner Banks asked Mr. Capparelli , the current owner of Ernie's Place, if he had a preference for the historical name to be used for the structure. Mr. Capparelli , 7931 Alta Cuesta Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, replied he preferred Roth 's Store and Post Office as the historical name even though he felt most people would remember it as Ernie 's Place. Commissioner Arner asked if both names could be used. Mr. Henderson stated that both names could be used in an abbreviated form. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Preston , to adopt the Resolution recommending Roth 's Store and Post Office, also known as Ernie 's Place, as an Historic Landmark. AYES : COMMISSIONERS : ARNER, BILLINGS, BANKS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : NONE --carried ' B. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 90-06 - EDWARD CAPPARELLI Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Schmidt opened the public hearing. Commissioner Banks asked where the retaining wall was located . Ms . Hartig stated the retaining wall ran along the south property line of the Capparelli 's property. Commissioner Billings asked Mr. Capparelli if the retaining wall was within his property boundaries . Mr. Capparelli responded he was unsure. Commissioner Billings commented that the retaining wall was put in to prevent erosion but that it was not characteristic for that period in time and was most likely erected without a building permit. Commissioner Banks asked if Mr. Capparelli objected to maintaining the retaining wall because it may not be on his property, or because it was in poor condition . HPC MINUTES - ? - OCTOBER 4, 1990 Mr. Capparelli responded that he objected to the wall for both reasons but he was willing to have it reconstructed so that it would be acceptable by City standards . Ms . Hartig recommended deleting Condition 6 of the resolution . She further recommended modifying Condition 8 to read that staff will approve the final exterior paint color and omitting the portion that states a feasibility study should be done prior to paint removal . Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing . MOTION: Moved by Preston , seconded by Cooper, to approve Landmark Alteration Permit 90-06 with the modifications to the resolution as suggested by staff pertaining to Condition 6 and Condition 8. AYES : COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, BANKS , COOPER, HASKVITZ, • PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES : COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : NONE --carried 1 C. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 89-OSR - PETER TOLSTOY Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing.. Peter Tolstoy, 9540 Hillside Road , Rancho Cucamonga , stated that this alteration permit does not change the structure much because it duplicates elements that are already on the house and that all the building materials to be used will imitate the original building materials . He pointed out that the back door of the house was in practice the main entrance into the house and that it was his wish to improve the appearance of the doorway. He also mentioned that the plans show the stairs from the doorway going out to the garden and he wished to move those stairs to the other side, closer to the porch . Commissioner Preston asked if staff had any concerns regarding the stairs being on the opposite side of the entryway. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, replied that as long as the stairs were on the angle , there would be no concern to staff regarding which side they be on. Commissioner Cooper asked what would happen to the sleeping porch and the door to the basement. HPC MINUTES - 3 - OCTOBER 4, 19n0 Mr. Tolstoy responded that they would remain the same. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Banks praised staff for the excellent job they did with the project and stated she felt that the Commission should give staff the latitude to work directly with applicants on these types of projects consequently avoiding delay in the process by bringing it to the Commission. The Commission concurred . MOTION: Moved by Billings, seconded by Arner, to approve Landmark Alteration Permit 89-05R. AYES : COMMISSIONERS : ARNER, BILLINGS, BANKS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES : COMMISSIONERS : NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : NONE --carried OLD BUSINESS ' D. REVISED WORK PROGRAM Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, went over the additions and changes to the work program. COMMISSION BUSINESS Commissioner Banks commented that the widening of Base Line and Etiwanda Avenue was nearly complete and it had come to her attention that the curbing on the corners for returns) of Etiwanda Avenue is not constructed with rock as previously directed by the Historic Preservation Commission. MOTION: Moved by Banks , seconded by Arner, to send a memo to the Engineering Division inquiring why the returns at Etiwanda and Baseline are not constructed of rock in accordance with the previous Resolution and agreement with City Council . HPC MINUTES - 4 - OCTOBER 4, 1990 AYES: COMMISSIONERS : ARNER, BILLINGS, BANKS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS : NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : NONE --carried Commissioner Banks stated that she appreciates the thorough and complete reports on upcoming projects , but she would very much like for the Commission to be able to go on tours of the projects on the agenda prior to the regular meeting. Commissioner Preston suggested having tours in the afternoon of the regularly scheduled meeting. Commissioner Banks stated that she would appreciate having it on a regular basis ; i .e. , same time, same day of the week, etc . Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, commented if four or more of the Commissioners wanted to go on a tour, the tour would have to advertised as a public hearing each time. He stated this could be done at 4 :00 PM prior to the meeting if the Commission wished . Commissioner Preston suggested doing this on a trial basis for a couple of months and then re-evaluating the merits of the tours . Mr. Henderson stated the Commission would need to adjourn to a tour at the previous meeting because the regular meeting time was set by Ordinance. Commissioner Preston suggested a standard adjournment line at the end of the agenda stating that the Commission will adjourn to an adjourned meeting preceding the regular meeting at 4:00 PM, ! insert the date) , to tour the items scheduled for the meeting . Commissioner Banks asked if anyone had been hired to work on the oral history program. She stated that she knows of someone in Etiwanda who is critically ill and should be interviewed for their historical knowledge of the local area . Ms . Hartig offered to do the interview. Commissioner Preston asked staff to request direction from City Council regarding the protection and/or preservation of important landscape features, i .e. , vineyards , citrus groves , rose gardens, etc . that could have historical significance . He stated if Council did approve, either by Ordinance or the imposition of specific or standard conditions , it could be added to the HPC MINUTES - 5 - OCTOBER 4, 1990 Historic Preservation Commission work program. He commented he would also like to see a review by the City landscape staff or a landscape consultant to verify the Historic Preservation Commission 's findings . Commissioner Banks asked if this might be extended to include specific agricultural apparatus used in the agricultural endeavor, specifically, stand pipes , wier boxes , cisterns, etc . Commissioner Preston agreed that would be a good idea . Commissioner Cooper asked about the Eucalyptus tree on Arrow Highway, just west of Haven. Mr. Henderson requested that staff set up an appointment with Commissioner Cooper to pinpoint the exact location of the tree. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested that a picture be submitted for the archives of any new commercial buildings completed in the City. He stated this could be done as a part of the normal planning process . Mr. Henderson stated that staff would discuss the matter with the archive consultant. ' Commissioner Haskvitz asked if the cable companies had been contacted regarding the use of their facilities to present oral history and historical programs . Ms . Hartig said she was aware if this suggestion but had not had an opportunity to check on it. Commissioner Preston suggested discussing these items in January when the Historic Preservation Commission discusses their goals for the year. ANNOUNCEMENTS Mr. Henderson gave the Commission an update of the last City Council meeting discussion on the naming of the Civic Center conference rooms . He stated the names of the rooms that were chosen included the Tri-Community Room, Rains Room, De Anza Room, Serrano Room, Tapia Room, Prudhomme Room and the Rancho Room. He stated that the Council directed that the names go back to the Historic Preservation Commission for input on the use of photos, drawings , and textural descriptions of the importance of the names to the community and that information would be mounted in a plaque outside each room. HPC MINUTES - 6 - OCTOBER 4, 1990 Ms . Harti.g announced the local California Historic Preservation Conference in ' Redlands, October 26-28, 1.990 . She also mentioned the Cal Trans meeting on October 25 at 6 :00 PM regarding the extension of Route 30 . PUBLIC COMMENTS No further public comment. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8:50 PM. Respectfully submitted, • G - Shelley A. Pet . lli Secretary 1 HPC MINUTES - 7 - OCTOBER-4, 1990 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA ' HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting September 6, 1990 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7 :00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga , California . Chairman Schmidt then led the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS : PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz , Steven Preston , Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS : ABSENT: NONE STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner; ' Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli , Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES : MOTION: Moved by Banks , seconded by Preston, carried unanimously 7-0-0 , to approve the minutes from the July 19 , 1990. Joint HPC/Planning Commission Workshop, the August 2, 1990. Joint HPC/Park and Recreation Workshop, and the August 16, 1900 HPC Adjourned Meeting/Workshop. OLD BUSINESS A. STATUS OF THE LONE CYPRESS TREE - Oral Report Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, presented the oral staff report. She stated that she had spoken with Judy at Panto Growers in Vista, California and the seedlings were progressing nicely. Commissioner Haskvitz mentioned that he had visited the Knolwood in Irvine to see their artifacts display and he was very impressed . ' Commissioner Arner asked about the status of the "Injun Joe" artifact. She had concerns that it could be offensive to certain people and ,questioned if the Commission should consider using it as an artifact in the restaurant. HPC MINUTES - ' - SEPTEMBER 6, 1990 Commissioner Preston felt that the Commission should not take a position on ' "Injun Joe" because if people found it to he offensive, they could take it up with the restaurant owners rather than the Commission . NEW BUSINESS B. OWNER CONSENT POLICY AS IT RELATES TO STAFF PRIORITIZATION OF ESTACIA COURT AND OLD ALTA LOMA Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, presented the oral Staff Report. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned if any funding had been allotted to save the gas station and diner located at the northwest corner of Foothill and Archibald . Ms . Hartig, stated nothing had been done at this point but there was the possibility of using CDBG Block Grant funds or implementing the Mills Act for funding. Commissioner Banks stated she felt the Commission should be looking at the area as a whole rather that on an individual structure basis . Commissioner Haskvitz felt if the City purchased the area for an information , center it could promote an adaptive reuse and save the structures . Commissioner Preston stated he supported staff's view and because of the limited resources involved he felt the Commission needed to choose adaptive reuse projects carefully. He felt the "Old Alta Loma" area offered a better opportunity for success than the Estacia Court area . Commissioner Banks disagreed as she did not see Old Alta Loma area being as commercially viable as the area located on Foothill . Commissioner Preston stated he wasn 't sure either area would be commercially viable in a standard vistor-serving , commercial sense. He felt the character of the neighborhood and the possibility of recreating the neighborhood was good in Old Alta Loma but he did not have that vision for the Estacia Court area . Mr. Henderson clarified the term "outstanding" in relation to owner consent as the possibility of being National Register quality; i . e. , the American Can Company's original packing house buildings . He felt that was a good example of the type of quality to look for to designate landmark status over owner objection . Another element he felt that needed consideration was the fact that the packing house was for sale and at this point, it is only designated as a Point of Interest. Commissioner Banks clarified that the Commission was not being asked to abandon the Estacia Court project but that staff was requesting prioritization between the two projects . HPC MINUTES - 2 - SEPTEMBER 6, 1990 Mr. Henderson stated that was correct. Commissioner Banks stated she envisioned Estacia Court developing into a project similar in quality to the Thomas Winery with the right developer. She sfelt ame the areaserved was �thefworkingicant nclass as homes,that so many oandhwererstilleinwere tact. the period Commissioner Preston felt there were better examples in the City. Commissioner Banks expressed she felt a district was where there were many structures that were alike, which was not the case with Old Alta Loma . erted that the Old Alta Loma area was representative of a viable Ms . Hartig ass f socio-economic classes . working community with a number o as a Commissioner Preston noted most of the citrus belt cities developed He felt the connection was very clear result of a transportation brake point. in Old Alta Loma because the packing house is still there, the railroad track remains and the houses in the area are clearly from a later era . Commissioner Banks noted Etiwanda and Baseline showed the same type of characteristics as Old Alta Loma . She also felt because of all the vacant land in that area , the historic structures were being encroached upon and threatened by destruction where as the packing house was the only structure under possible threat in Old Alta Loma . Commissioner Preston agreed and stated he would rather spend the resources available in the Etiwanda area over the Estacia Court area . He felt the Estacia Court area lacked• the historical association as well as the architectural integrity needed and that Old Alta Loma has these characteristics . Mr. Henderson interjected how he felt the Commission could get this area rings could be involved . He felt color rendepect°of what the old buildings Loma hold a community meeting and present the prospect area could become by restoring and preserving it, get input from the public, P and develop a neighborhood plan that creates an overlay zone identifying the significant structures, etc . He further commented the area 0uld then nohe developed commercially and the whole project would take approximately year,. Commissioner Banks felt the interest in the Old Alta Loma area did not currently exist but rather it would be created . Estacia Commissioner Preston remarked that potential problems eisto with for the Foothill Court area because a Specific Plan has already e Boulevard (which included that area) and a distinct possibility exists that the Commission would be working at cross-purposes . ' Mr. Henderson noted that no planning had actually been done yet to protect the historical resources in the Old Alta Loma area but this has been done in Etiwanda with the Etiwanda Overlay. 3 - SEPTEMBER 6, 1990 HPC MINUTES Ms . Hartig interjected that the owner of the former "Ernie 's" , Mr. Capparelli , has requested the granting of a Landmark Application and Landmark Alteration Permit to bring his structure back to its original 1.915-20 appearance. Commissioner Banks expressed she would like the staff to "fine tune" the historic overlay in Etiwanda because it was done during the time that HPC was associated with Community Services rather than the Planning Division. Mr. Henderson asked if the Commission would want to have a workshop regarding the plan . The Commission concurred that would be appropriate. Commissioner Billings wanted to include in the boundaries Monte Vista Street between and Amethyst and Archibald only, on both sides of the street. Commissioner Banks wished to include both sides of Hellman. Mr. Henderson commented he felt the study area should be expanded to the west side of Hellman Avenue to the right-of-way. MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Preston, unanimously carried by 7-0-0 vote, to have staff concentrate their efforts initially on developing the Old Alta Loma Historic District followed as closely as possible by the re- examination of the Etiwanda Historic Overlay. AYES : COMMISSIONERS : BANKS, PRESTON, ARNER, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES : COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : NONE --carried Mr. Henderson requested use of any old photos Commissioner Billings may have of the old Alta Loma area . Commissioner Billings stated there was 'a building now missing from that area which was the old Ioamosa store that was moved from its original location at 19th and Hellman. He further commented that it would be nice if a structure similar to the original could be constructed for the area . Commissioner Preston felt the intersections of Amethyst and Baseline, as well as 19th and Amethyst should be emphasized because they would be the gateways to this historic area . He also emphasized his concern that staff work with Planning to ensure that other development plans would not take precedence over this project. Ms. Hartig requested further clarification from the Commission on whether ' staff should do further evaluations in the Foothill Corridor area . HPC MINUTES - 4 - SEPTEMBER 6, 1990 Mr. Henderson recommended re-surveying the area and bringing it back to Commission. He also suggested re-examining the Foothill Specific Plan because input from the HPC came very late in the process and HPC still has many concerns that remain unaddressed . C. WORK PROGRAM Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Preston listed his concerns regarding the work program as it relates to the Commission : I Defining the HPC mission or goal statement. 2 . Establishing a start and finish date for projects . 3. Establishing a sense of priority. 4. Implementing a quarterly appraisal to be presented to the Commission of the work program. Commissioner Banks commented she agreed, but she would prefer to have the high priority items highlighted. Commissioner Preston suggested seeing the goal statement quarterly and ' comparing it to the work program. Mr. Henderson remarked the problem with the goal statement was that it did not address the "services" aspect of historic preservation; i .e . , daily phone calls and visits from citizens answering informational questions, potential landmark applications , demolitions, etc. He further commented that secondary services would include on going projects such as the Thomas Winery, oral history program, archives program and the educational program. Commissioner Preston stated he would like to see the Commission have one meeting per year to discuss nothing but the goals for coming year. Mr. Henderson suggested having such a meeting around budget time, January or February, and bringing the work program for Commission to discuss and prioritize. Commissioner Banks noted that she would want to have more "on site" workshops . Mr. Henderson offered to direct field trips either quarterly or twice a year to view completed projects, projects under construction, and projects being considered . The Commission agreed tours would be a good idea . ' Mr. Henderson noted staff would revise the list and bring the information back to Historic Preservation Commission at their next scheduled meeting . HPC MINUTES - 5 - SEPTEMBER 5, 1990 COMMISSION BUSINESS Commissioner Cooper asked about the status of historical homes in the Monte Vista district. Ms. Hartig reported she had recently been in the area and had made notes regarding the property. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested sending a thank you letter to the Cucamonga Water District for the water conservation calendars . Ms . Hartig gave the Commission an update of City Council 's decision on the Sycamore Village/Red Chief Motel and Cafe project. She commented that Council had upheld HPC's denial of Landmark Status for the Red Chief Motel and Cafe; however, Council stated their support for a Landmark designation for the Sycamore Inn and the surrounding Bear Gulch area . Commissioner Cooper remarked she believed the Sycamore Inn had also been designated as a State Landmark previously. Commissioner Preston asked if an application was on file for the project. His understanding was the Preliminary Review application was on file but not the actual application to proceed with development. Mr. Henderson stated that was correct. , Commissioner Preston also inquired whether an Environmental Initial Study form had heen filed . Mr. Henderson responded the study form had not yet been filed ; a Preliminary Review had been sent to the applicant listing items and studies that needed completion. Commissioner Preston requested the Commission have the opportunity to review the environmental documents on the project as they would be a critical factor in making any future decisions . ANNOUNCEMENTS Commissioner Preston announced on September 27 , 1990 a musical extravaganza would be held to support the renovation of the Alex Theater (built in 19221 in Glendale; Bob Hope is the honorary chairman and tickets will be $50 per person. t HPC MINUTES - 6 - SEPTEMBER 6 , 1990 ' PUBLIC COMMENTS No further public comment. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8 :45 PM. Respectfully submitted , a Shelley A. Petre li Secretary 1 HPC MINUTES - 7 - SEPTEMBER 6, 1990 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Adjourned Meeting August 16, 1990 Chairman Schmidt called the Adjourned Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 6:00 P .M. The meeting was held at the Thomas Winery Center, 8916 Foothill Boulevard, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Marsha Banks, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston., Bob Schmidt ABSENT: Melicent Arner, Gene Billings STAFF PRESENT: Brad Buller, City Planner; Nancy Fong, Senior Planner; Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal, Planner, Gail Sanchez, Secretary Project Proponents: John Petry, Sanderson/J.Ray/Petry; Jim Wilson and Carrie Sakemi , Thirtieth Street '. Architects, Inc..; Michelle McDowell , OAS Investors; Geoff Beckham, Beckham/Eisenman APPROVAL OF MINUTES : ,: MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Haskvitz, carried 5-0-2, to approve the minutes from June 16, 1990, as amended. OLD BUSINESS Chairman Schmidt stated that Item 'B,,. the tour, would- be taken before Item A. B. TOUR OF THOMAS WINERY Jim Wilson, Thirtieth Street Architects, Inc. 2821 Newport Boulevard, Newport Beach, gave a brief description of the various uses of the building. He said the wall to the west of the bar will be removed. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, asked if the posts would remain. t Mr. Wilson responded that every other post will be removed because the foundations are not -sufficient and will have to be structurally reworked. John Petry, Sanderson/J.Ray/Petry, 2699 White Road, Suite 150, Irvine, ' presented pictures of the Knowlwood restaurant in Irvine. He said the intention was to show how artifacts will be, incorporated in a fairly natural way. Commissioner Banks asked if the same open beams will remain. Mr. Petry responded that they will . He said the office space will remain as a private dining room. He further stated that the conveyor belt, beam scale, and wine press will remain as a room divider. He said they will not be able to incorporate the large casks, but they will utilize some of the facing and place it in front of the entrance to the rest rooms to make it appear as a giant cask. He stated that they were not planning to retain the bar. He said a story line about the area will be incorporated into menus or on posters. Commissioner Banks asked if the front door will be rebuilt. Carrie Sa'kemi , Project Manager, Thirtieth' Street Architects, Inc. 2821 Newport Boulevard, Newport Beach, stated the door' will be split open and tacked so that it will not move. She said the area will be built as the main entrance with windows above. Mr. Petry stated they were going to take an inventory of casks and will use one of them for the Knowlwood sign. Mr. Henderson asked if the casks will remain until a tenant is ready to move in. Mr. Petry responded they will have to remove the casks in order to do some of the structural changes to the building. . He said they will be raising the floor to a single height. He said they will pick the- best ones to store on- site and the remainder will be donated to the City. He said--they would like to find a single user for the portion of the building ' that Knowlwood is not leasing, but that the :area could also be separated for two tenants to use the space. Mr. Preston asked if plans for the space would include dismantling the fake wall and the units above it. Mr. Petry responded affirmatively. He said that a number of the, beams have dry rot and active termite infestation and the building will be tented. Mr. Petry said they did not know what to do with the larger barrels: Commissioner Banks asked how old they area Mr. Petry replied they have not determined an age. He said they have tried to contact Joe Filippi and others and are still researching the age. He asked for information about the historical societies in the City, as he thought they ' might help in researching. HPC MINUTES 2 AUGUST 16, 1990 Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, suggested the information might be available in account books:. Ms. Sakemi stated some account ledger books were in her office which could be researched. Ms. Hartig suggested meeting to go over the books. , Commissioner Banks suggested that Injun Joe not be holding a wine bottle. Ms. Hartig concurred. Mr. Petry stated they would not be using the upstairs except for mechanical kitchen equipment. Commissioner Preston asked if there will be places that the substructure will be exposed. Ms. Sakemi responded affirmatively. A. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 90-03 - THOMAS WINERY - OAS INVESTORS - Consideration and Review of Remaining Conditions - APN: 208-101-10 and 11. Ms. Hartig presented the staff report. ' Mr. Wilson presented a slide show of Knowlwood in Irvine, a converted blacksmith shop. He said it is a Certified National Register project., Commissioner Preston asked about interpretive elements to explain the artifacts. Mr. Wilson stated they have _limited signs, but nothing as extensive as requested by the Historic Preservation Commission for the winery. Commissioner Preston questioned how staff felt about the affixing of various artifacts to the, wall . Ms. Hartig suggested that the artifacts be secured perhaps by unobtrusive copper wires or plastic or glass covers. Ms. Sakemi reviewed the artifacts plan. She said the intent is to make the winery the theme and to maintain the rustic feel . She said Injun Joe, the wine press, and the antique time clock will be retained. She stated wine barrels would be used for seating. She said they planned to keep the stairs,, but remove the lower half of the stairs to discourage patrons from going upstairs. She indicated they planned to keep the adobe bricks in the southwest corner exposed and have interpretive signage to explain how the bricks are made. She said the, rest room. entry will appear as if one is walking through a wine cask. She said the bathroom walls will be tiled with a row of tiles replicating wine labels at approximately the 4-foot height. She HPC MINUTES 3 AUGUST 16 , 1990 said the beam scale will be moved to near the wine case conveyor and they intend to have interpretive signage near all the artifacts. They also intend to use the photographs, of the 1969 flood. Ms. Sakemi stated that hand tools ' will be hung from the ceiling joists and posts. She said they did not plan to attach anything to the adobe walls, but will utilize cables for hanging photographs and arti-facts. She said they will include a brief history and the legend of the lost Tapia gold on the menus or pamphlets at the tables. Mr. Henderson asked if they intended to utilize the actual wine casks for the barrel seating. Geoff Beckham, Beckham/Eisenman, 16811 Miliken Avenue, Irvine, stated that they will try to use existing materials wherever possible. Ms. Hartig stated she had found a curator in Riverside who is very knowledgeable on wineries. Mr. Henderson asked if it would be possible to disassemble the barrels, move them out in order to accomplish the structural work, and then move half of them back for storage so that a tenant would have them available for decorations. Mr. Petry stated they may keep some disassembled. Commissioner Cooper asked if any of the large barrels would be- saved as is. Ms. Sakemi stated one will be used as the Knowlwood sign and some will be used elsewhere on site. Mr. Beckham showed sketches of the floor plan and seating and lighting fixture brochures. Commissioner Banks asked if Commissioner •Preston felt the wine barrel seating was acceptable. Commissioner Preston stated he did not particularly care for it but he would accept it. He felt one of the lights selected for one of the dining rooms was too ornate. Ms. Hartig stated the Historic Preservation Commission has no formal authority to approve the tenant improvements and the design and features were being shown as a courtesy. She suggested that accent color could be added with the fabric of the chair cushions. Mr. Petry stated they were trying to incorporate a 1930' s Route 66 style inside with the 1830' s to 1860' s look outside. Commissioner Preston asked if the removal of the old tasting room wall would have any structural effect on the building: Mr. Petry stated that the wall is not a load bearing wall . HPC MINUTES 4 AUGUST 16 , 1990 Ms. Hartig discussed the proposed treatment of the Still Building and recommended approval . She felt the Commission' s concerns had been adequately ' addressed. Commissioner Banks, stated; that there had previously been some concerns raised regarding the signs -on the Still Building. Commissioner Preston recalled that they thought colors were too bright and there were some objections to signs on all four sides of the tower. Mr. Henderson stated the compromise was to make the signs smaller and the plans approved by the Planning Commission included reduced signage. Commissioner Preston stated he was willing to accept the Planning Commission's judgment. Ms. Hartig discussed the patio furniture. The Commission concurred that the basic design of the patio furniture was acceptable. Mr. Beckham discussed the proposed layout of the furniture and the cushions. Commissioner Banks questioned the need for cushions and felt wind and dirt could be a problem. Commissioner Cooper felt that cushions will get greasy from the exhausts on Foothill Boulevard and will be hard to keep clean. Mr. Beckham.- stated they were investigating using jarrah wood with a natural oil finish. Commissioner Banks stated she liked the furniture style either with or without the cushions. Commissioner 'Preston stated he was very satisfied with the furniture. Ms. Hartig felt that the lighting compromise suggested by OAS was acceptable. Commissioner Preston asked staff' s feelings regarding the suggestion from the developer that they were wilding to go below the City' s lighting standards if they received a waiver from the City. Ms. Hartig replied she deferred to Engineering and the Planner' s expertise. The Commission concurred that the, lighting should meet standards because of the liability factor. , Commissioner Preston asked if the remaining light structures will be painted. 1 Ms. Hartig responded that the developer is willing to paint them. HPC MINUTES , 5 AUGUST 16 , 1990 MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Preston, carried 4-0-3 to recommend 'that lamp posts remaining in the sphere of the winery building be painted flat black. ' MOTION: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Banks, to accept the developer' s submittals for meeting Conditions 3, 6, 7 , and 8 of Historic Preservation Commission Resolution No. 90-04. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS , COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS -carried COMMISSION BUSINESS Commissioner Banks felt that the Commission should have requested that a demolition permit not be issued on the Red Chief Motel until it is known that the applicant is going forward with the project. She felt that if the structure had been any place else in the community other than by the Sycamore Inn, it could have been saved. Mr. Henderson suggested that staff prepare a memo to the project planner to indicate the Commission' s request. He said they would also request that the historic and archeological aspects of the Initial Study for the project site ' be referred to the Historical Preservation Commission for comment and recommendations. He stated the applicant may appeal and the Planning Commission may modify the request. He said staff would report back to the Commission on the outcome. Commissioner Cooper asked if the Commission could also review the initial study regarding the railroad trestle. Mr. Henderson stated that at the last Planning Commission meeting the Commission approved the concept of a steel rail trestle in conjunction with widening Foothill Boulevard. Commissioner Preston asked if it was a railroad proposal . Mr. Henderson responded that it is a City proposal to which the railroad has to agree. Commissioner Preston asked when the project will be constructed. Staff responded that construction is scheduled to start in approximately 18 months. HPC MINUTES 6 AUGUST ' 1 ' 100 Mr. Henderson stated that an item will be placed on the next agenda to discuss the ramifications of the owner consent policy regarding Estacia Court and Foothill planning and priority wise weighing that against doing something in old Alta Loma. Commissioner Cooper stated there is an area south of 9th Street, north of the railroad, east of Grove, and west of Baker which should be investigated. Commissioner Preston asked that during the next few months the Commission take stock of where they are in terms of meeting their goals and setting priorities. He thought perhaps a workshop could be held if necessary. He felt that perhaps a work program could be set up which would include monthly or quarterly updates at Commission meetings. Mr. Henderson stated that staff is already working on such a project and the topic could be added to the October agenda. Commissioner Preston commended staff for doing public relations work and generating the news release regarding tonight' s meeting. Commissioner Banks asked that staff check the status of the seedlings from the last cypress. Commissioner Cooper asked for an update on the eucalyptus tree which Milliken planted when he was six years old on the Milliken property, on Arrow Highway west of Haven. Mr. Henderson responded that staff would investigate. ANNOUNCEMENTS Ms. Hartig stated that she would be visiting the Oral History Center at UCLA on Friday, August 17 . She felt paid interns could be used to work on a community education program along with the Oral History Project. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested working with cable television. Commissioner Banks suggested checking on what was developed for the City' s Sesquicentennial . Ms. Hartig stated she had already reviewed the binder made by the Educational Subcommittee. HPC MINUTES 7 AUGUST 16, 1990 Commissioner Schmidt asked that an item be added to the next agenda regarding a policy for limiting meetings or presentations by project proponents. Ms. Hartig stated she could work with applicants and ask who they plan to have speak. She also said she felt it would be appropriate to ask the qualifications of speakers and to set time limits. PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no further public comments. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8:30 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Gail Sanchez Secretary 1 HPC MINUTES 8 AUGUST 16 , 1990 1 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION/PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION JOINT MINUTES Adjourned Meeting August 2, 1990 Chairman Bob Schmidt and Vice Chairman Pam Henry called the Joint Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission/Park and Recreation Commission to order at 8:57 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. ROLL CALL HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt, Chairman ABSENT: NONE PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Pam Henry, Vice Chairman ; Molly Mitchell , Mark Whitehead ABSENT: Sam C. Punter, Chairman ; Leslie Riggs STAFF PRESENT: Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli ; Secretary; Joe Schultz, Community Services. Director; Kathy Sorensen, Recreation Superintendent B. JOINT HISTORIC PRESERVATION/PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING - Selection of the alternate site plan for the location of the Ledig House. Kathy Sorensen, Recreation Superintendent and Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, presented the Staff Report. An alternate schematic for Alternative 2 was passed out and explained by Ms. Sorensen. A slide show was then presented. Commissioner Preston requested the grade differential between the Arrow Highway sidewalk elevation and the pad elevation which the house will be located on. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, commented that the house would be on a raised foundation and that it may be at street grade when its finished. Vice Chairman Henry asked how much of the steps and stonework into the cellar would be retained when the structure is moved. Ms. Sorensen stated it would have to be replaced because it was too massive to move. Vice Chairman Henry wished to know if the plan was to re-establish the same look for the cellar entrance. Ms. Sorensen replied yes, if at all possible; however, it depends on the funds available at the time. Vice Chairman Henry asked if this would be the view seen from Arrow Route. Mr. Henderson responded that the porch would be the view primarily visible from Arrow Route because the block wall that exists in back of the house would block the view of the cellar. He stated that a six-foot block wall runs along the property line from east to west and the north/south wall is chain link. Commissioner Mitchell questioned if the block wall extended all the way across the front of the proposed site and adjacent to the parking lot. Ms. Sorensen replied that the block wall extended in back of the house next door to the property line of the site. Commissioner Preston requested the total setback proposed from the sidewalk. Ms. Sorensen responded that the total setback was between 35-40 feet. Commissioner Banks stated that a previous concern of the Historic Preservation Commission was to have the house placed as close to Arrow for visibility and not have the view blocked by parking. She further commented that if Alternative Schematic Plan No. 2, which places the house facing to Arrow, were chosen as the preferred alternative, she suggested appropriate landscaping to obscure the the unattractive view of the back of the structure. She further contended that the specimen tree was not in the best location because it would obscure the best view of the house and that a possible solution would be to move the tree to the northeastern portion of the structure. Commissioner Arner asked if the Commissions were interested preserving the stone stairs. Ms. Sorensen said that they would try to recreate the steps with similar stone rather than with the existing stone. Commissioner Preston questioned how staff felt about the orientation of the tree or the house. Ms. Hartig stated she agreed with Commissioner Banks thoughts, but was a little concerned about moving the specimen tree. HPC/PARK & REC. WORKSHOP MINUTES - 2 - AUGUST 2 , 1990 Mr. Henderson interjected that perhaps a specimen row of palm trees be placed along the driveway. Commissioner Preston _inquired if there was sufficient setback for the palm tree placement. Mr. Henderson responded affirmatively and suggested that would be the type of details the Commissions could bring back before any construction would take place. Commissioner Banks felt that a joint motion to accept the site plan as shown on Alternative Schematic Plan 2A would be appropriate. Commissioner Mitchell asked for clarification regarding the location of the front of the house and if it would be facing west into the parking lot. Commissioner Banks commented that she believed Historic Preservation Commission concurred that alternative seemed to be the most viable. Mr. Henderson clarified that there was a driveway in front now and when the house is relocated, there will also be a driveway in front. He commented further that this would emulate the current set up of the house with adequate landscape setback. Commissioner Preston re-established that from the north the site would be 35- ' 40 feet from the sidewalk. He stated that from the west, the furthest projection of the house to the the driveway appeared to be 15-20 feet at the closest point. Ms. Sorensen believed the setback was approximately 15 feet. Commissioner Whitehead questioned if the landscape area to the south was intended for the people using the Neighborhood Center rather than the people working in the house. Ms. Sorensen stated that was correct, except for the amenities, which would be discussed at another meeting and these could include a gazebo, a rose garden, or a few citrus trees. Commissioner Whitehead questioned if the building could be oriented diagonally so the front of the house would face northwest and display the two best views of the house toward the street. Ms. Sorensen replied that staff had contemplated the possibility. Mr. Henderson interjected it would not be appropriate from an historic standpoint as it was not a traditional orientation for that era. Commissioner Mitchell suggested facing the house either toward the mountains or toward the west, making the front even with the existing residence and allowing a few parking spaces in the front of the house. She felt this would give the house greater visibility from the street. HPC/PARK & REC. WORKSHOP MINUTES - 3 - AUGUST 2, 1990 Commissioner Preston stated he believed that alternative was Alternate 'Schematic Plan No. 1 of the agenda packet. He questioned staff if acceptance of this alternative would mean elevating the pad further because of the grade differential . Mr. Henderson commented staff would have to bring back detailed plans because they did not know at this point. Commissioner Banks requested clarification on what the proper procedure would be; for the joint Commissions to develop a resolution or if a resolution from each Commission would be required. Mr. Henderson stated ultimately, Historic Preservation Commission would need to approve a Landmark Alteration Permit and Park and Recreation would need to approve the site as a park facility, but because this was a workshop, the Commissions only needed to come to a consensus at this time. Commissioner Banks stated Historic Preservation Commission had previously discussed putting the parking in front of the house and decided that it destroyed the look of the house from Arrow Highway. Commissioner Mitchell said she thought approximately four parking spaces for staff would be appropriate. Mr. Henderson stated staff was trying to be sensitive to the neighbors by not 'placing the back of the Ledig house toward their front yard. Commissioner Banks stated her preference was, Alternative Schematic 2A with the alteration of providing landscaping to screen the northeastern section of the house. Commissioner Arner preferred Alternative Schematic 2A also, but she wanted to ensure that the stonework and the finer points of the house would be reconstructed. Commissioner Billings ' preference was Alternative Schematic 2A. He felt that the specimen tree was appropriately placed. Commissioner Haskvitz did not express a preference. Commissioner Preston supported Alternative Schematic 2A with landscape accentuation on Arrow. He also stated he preferred the specimen tree in front of the house, but would support moving it. Commissioner Cooper stated a preference for Alternative Schematic 2A, but recalled a palm tree was in front of the driveway originally. Commissioner Whitehead supported Alternative Schematic 2A, but wanted the house moved back about 10 feet to the south. HPC/PARK & REC. WORKSHOP MINUTES - 4 - AUGUST 2, 1990 Commissioner Mitchell preferred her previous suggestion to face the house to north as she felt it provided the best visibility. Vice Chairman Henry agreed with the consensus for Alternative Schematic 2A; with the limited visibility she felt the choices were restricted. She suggested moving the specimen tree to the northeast corner and placing palm trees at the front/driveway entrance. Commissioner Banks requested the landscaping plans come back to the Historic Preservation Commission at a later date. Joe Schultz , Community Services Director, asked what the feeling was regarding moving the setback even with the neighboring house to provide a more aesthetic balance. Commissioner Banks commented that would fine if the visibility from Arrow were enhanced. Commissioner Cooper felt the house would also have a better appearance if it were set back. Ms. Sorensen clarified that it would be set back another five to ten feet to provide balance with the house next door. Vice Chairman Henry adjourned to the Park and Recreation regular meeting of ' August 16, 1990. Chairman Schmidt adjourned the joint Historic Preservation Commission and Park and Recreation meeting at 9:50 PM and reconvened to the regular Historic Preservation Commission meeting of August 2 , 1990. Respectfully submitted, Q Shelley A. P relli Secretary HPC/PARK & REC. WORKSHOP MINUTES - 5 - AUGUST 2, 1990 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting August 2, 1990 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: NONE STAFF PRESENT: Brad Buller, City Planner; Nancy Fong, Senior Planner; Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner; Steve Hayes, ' Assistant Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Anna-Lisa Hernandez, Assistant Planner; Shelley Petrelli, * * * * * Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES: MOTION: Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Preston, carried unanimously 7-0-0, to approve the minutes from the June 7 , 1990 and July 5 , 1990 Historic Preservation Commission meetings. OLD BUSINESS A. UPDATE ON HISTORIC NAMES FOR CIVIC CENTER ROOMS Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, discussed the lists compiled from the last meeting. Commissioner Banks stated she wanted the label Wanda added to the Citrus Packing Label list. Commissioner Cooper wished to add the name LaFourcade to the Historical Person's list under Cucamonga and also wanted to add Bear to the Citrus Packing Label list under Cucamonga. HPC MINUTES - 1 - AUGUST 2 , 1990 Commissioner Hask_vitz wished to add Hermosa to the Historical Communities list. Chairman Schmidt requested the addition of Eswena to the Historical Communities. Commissioner Cooper wanted Red Hill added to the Historical Communities list. MOTION: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Preston, carried 7-0-0, to submit to the City Council the Historical Communities List as the priority list for naming the Civic Center Conference Rooms. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, PRESTON, ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried Commissioner Preston requested all the prepared lists (Historical Communities, Historical Names, Citrus Packing Labels) be submitted to City Council to reflect the time and effort spent on this project by staff and the Commission alike. Commissioner Banks directed staff to inform City Council that the Historical Names and Citrus Packing Label categories have not been clearly defined or prioritized and if Council prefers one of those lists, the Historic Preservation Commission would request the list be returned to them for the purpose of prioritizing the list. B. JOINT HISTORIC PRESERVATION/PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING Park and Recreation Commission did not have a quorum at this time and Chairman Schmidt moved on to Item C on the agenda. C. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 90-03 - THOMAS WINERY - OAS INVESTORS Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, presented the Staff Report. Commissioner Preston asked if staff had additional comments on the July 26, 1990 memo regarding the National Landmark Status for this project. Ms. Hartig responded she had no additional comments and asked for any questions from the Commission. HPC MINUTES - 2 - AUGUST 7 , ' Q110 Commissioner Preston stated he was satisfied with the response but wanted to ensure all the Commissioners were satisfied. The Commission concurred. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Rudy Stroink, OAS Investors, discussed the issue of lighting in the parking area. He stated that the color of the lights had been determined by the Planning Commission prior to installing the lights. He further stated his company has two main concerns with the parking lot lighting 1) that there is sufficient lighting from a liability standpoint; and 2) that a solution could be found other than taking out the lights. He agreed that the building needs flood lighting to accent it and that the parking lot lights do detract from the building but they are awaiting further direction from staff. Mr. Stroink addressed the issue of the outdoor eating area in that the restaurant owner and developer feel it would be an important asset to the project. Mr. Stroink also requested assistance from staff and the Historic Preservation Commissioners to help them develop their current plan for artifacts into "something special ". He further stated that he concurred with the Staff Report regarding the placement of the El Camino Real Bell and the wood barrel monument sign. ' Commissioner Banks commented that she felt and has previously stated that the lights would be least obvious if they were painted black. Mr. Stroink disagreed stating he felt black drew more attention to the lights. He felt a lighter color (possibily grey or white) would detract less from the building, which will be painted white. Commissioner Banks suggested that educational material be incorporated into the menu at the restaurant rather than on leaflets or pamphlets. Mr. Stroink agreed with that idea and pointed out that there would also be two large signs within the center directing people to historical artifacts. Commissioner Banks asked what would become of artifacts that there was not enough room for. Mr. Stroink pointed out that when OAS purchased the winery, the owner kept most of the original artifacts and auctioned them off. He suggested a tour of the building to see the remaining artifacts, determine their placement, etc. He stated that any surplus artifacts. would be given to the City. John Loomis, 30th Street Architects, stated he felt incorporating educational material within Knowlwood menu was a good idea. Chairman Schmidt stated he would like to see how Knowlwood Restaurant displayed artifacts and asked where he could go to see such a display. HPC MINUTES - 3 - AUGUST ' 11)0 Mr. Loomis directed the Commission to Knowlwood's east Irvine location within the National Register Historic Building, a 1906 blacksmith shop (south on the 5 Freeway to Sand Canyon exit - just off the freeway) . Commissioner Preston suggested making a motion to l.imit the discussion to items that need to be worked on at this meeting and continuing other items until the next meeting. Chairman Schmidt concurred with that idea. Mr. Stroink stated that they would appreciate resolving' the lighting and artifacts issues this evening so they could get approval from the Commission and obtain building permits for the interior work. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Arner., carried 7-0-0, to approve the recommendations of the Staff Report regarding the pamphlets, as amended by Commissioner Banks, the placement of the., barrel sign and the El Camino Real Bell . AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE , --carried Commissioner Banks inquired why the bell was to be placed on Vineyard rather than its original location on Foothill as it has no significance with the Vineyard placement. John Petry, Sanderson, J. Ray, Petry, clarified that the ,bell was to be moved closer to Vineyard, but not actually on Vineyard. Commissioner Banks commented that the Commission's copy of the exhibit shows the bell on Vineyard.. She requested clarification from Commissioner Preston whether his motion was to approve this site for the bell . Commissioner Preston stated he felt 'the Vineyard location was satisfactory because it was fairly common that the placement of the E1 Camino Real Bell in other historic locations was often not the original location. Commissioner Cooper requested clarification regarding the replacement of the Rains House directional sign. She stated she preferred the sign be on Foothill so that as many people as possible could see it. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, interjected that he believed the sign was a government sign that had been moved because it was in the right-of-way. He did not believe it would be the applicant's responsibility to replace it. HPC MINUTES - 4 - AUGUST 2 , 1990. Ms. Hartig stated that the sign was shown on the artifacts plan with the placement left open for a decision later. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded Arner, carried 7-0-0, to amend his original motion to direct staff to work with the applicants for placement of the E1 Camino Real Bell and the Rains House sign in the most appropriate locations, understanding what the Commission's concerns are. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Banks, carried 6-1-0, to approve the dining location in front of the Thomas Winery as provided in the plans, provided that the deck be freestanding and not structurally tied to the Winery Building. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, BANKS, ARNER, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT ' NOES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried Chairman Schmidt re-opened the public hearing. Lynn Barbarrow, Landscape Architect for OAS Investors, explained the landscaping plan for the area and expressed that an emphasis was placed on ,drought tolerant plants. She further explained that there would be shrub plantings around the building for screening and there would be grapevines on the Foothill exposure as well as the Vineyard exposure. Commissioner Banks stated that during the joint Design Review meeting it was determined there would be several grapevines in the center but she did not see any for the Soup Plantation building. Ms. Barbarrow stated that historically they were never located on site where Soup Plantation is, but currently there are two parking islands in front of the winery that have vines growing up a trellis as they would have been originally. Commissioner Banks asked if there were vines incorporated into the artifact plan. HPC MINUTES - 5 - AUGUST 2 , 1990 Mr. Loomis stated that there were currently no vines adjacent to the artifacts. Commissioner Banks stated that she would want to see vines staked by a split- rail fence to screen the artifacts. Ms. Barbarrow commented that she felt that suggestion would be a difficult maintenance problem and that staking the grapevines in that form was not typical from an historical standpoint. She pointed out that there were grapevines on the east side of the building and the new main buildings of the shopping center. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Haskvitz, carried 7-0-0, to approve the applicant's landscape plan. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, HASKVITZ, ARNER, BILLINGS, COOPER, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried Chairman Schmidt re-opened the public hearing. , Mario Fernandez, Electrical Engineer for OAS Investors, stated that he felt the existing lighting for the project should not be changed. He felt that painting the lights would be a better choice than removing or replacing lights. Mr. Henderson advised the Commission it was a Condition of Approval by the Planning Commission that the applicant submit a detailed lighting plan for this project and that this had not been done yet. He urged the Commission not approve a lighting plan they had not seen. He felt once staff had received and reviewed the plan the Commission could modify their condition if they desired. Commissioner Preston requested verification on whether the parking lot lights had been installed without a detailed lighting plan. Nancy Fong, Senior Planner, responded that all the parking lot lights were installed with a detailed lighting plan for the entire project; however, there was a condition that the parking lot lights around the winery be removed and that up-lighting and down-lighting techniques be used on the building. She stated staff was awaiting a computer printout of the lighting candle-power from the applicant to see if it met Public Safety standards. She felt it was premature to discuss the matter now. HPC MINUTES - 6 - AUGUST 2 , 1990 Mr. Stroink stated that his company would submit to the Planning Commission a plan that added up-fighting to flood the building with light, which in turn would change the lighting calculations for the parking lot and they would then eliminate parking lot lights that were no longer needed. Mr. Loomis asked that the Commission make a conditional approval of the artifacts plan allowing them to pull the necessary building permits to finish the ,shell of the building. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Banks, carried 7-0-0, to support the staff's recommendation and to adjourn at the conclusion of this meeting to an adjourned meeting on Thursday, August 16, 1990 at 6:00 P.M. for the purpose of touring the facility and considering revisions to the artifacts plan. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, BANKS, ARNER, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried Chairman Schmidt re-opened the public hearing. Commissioner Banks, Commissioner Haskvitz, Commissioner Preston and Chairman Schmidt agreed that they would be able to attend the August 16, 1990 meeting. Ms. Hartig clarified with the Commission that the applicant wanted to take action on the tenant improvement plan at the August 16, 1990 meeting. The Commission concurred that would be agreeable with them if- staff felt there was enough time to prepare an analysis of the information prior to the meeting. Ms. Hartig responded she felt she would have sufficient time to do that. Mr. Jeff Beckman for Knowlwood Restaurant, discussed the interior of the restaurant stating that artifacts would be re-used as points of interest and as space dividers within the interior of the restaurant; that would include the wine press, conveyors, barrels, the old time clock, old photos, and tools. He also stated that wine casks would be cut in half and used for seating. Commissioner Banks asked that additional sketches be brought to the August 16 meeting. The applicant agreed to do that and also stated they would bring slides from the east Irvine building. HPC MINUTES - 7 - AUGUST 2 , 1990 Commissioner Preston asked how the rest of the Commission felt about the Casks being cut in half and having the seating placed inside. He stated he felt it was a little too-"Disneyland"-like for his taste. Commissioner Banks replied that she did not share that feeling. Commissioner Preston stated concern regarding preserving the change in elevation from the retail area and the cask rooms. He commented that on the existing floor plan the entrance on the eastern wall of the Knowlwood appeared to be sealed up. Mr. Preston wanted reassurance the doorway would still be a doorway even if it were sealed. Mr. Loomis suggested more discussion at the August 16 meeting. Commissioner Preston asked to see what type of furniture would be used in the outside eating area. Mr. Beckman showed pictures of the wood "Mission Style" type outdoor furniture that is suggested. Ms. Hartig requested copies of the furniture pictures from the applicant as soon as possible. Commissioner Preston inquired how the wood would be preserved from the weather. Mr. Beckman stated it was a heavily-oiled wood, unpainted and that it was weather resistant to a point. ' Commissioner Cooper inquired how the outdoor eating area would be heated in the winter. Mr. Loomis answered that gas heaters would be installed on the overhead arbor and on the small roof structures. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Banks, carried 7-0-0, to continue Landmark Alteration Permit 90-03 for the issues not acted upon tonight to the adjourned meeting on August 16, 1990 at 6:00 P.M. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, BANKS, ARNER, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried HPC MINUTES - 8 - AUGUST Chairman Schmidt recessed to the joint Historic Preservation Commission and Park and Recreation Meeting - Item B on the agenda. (These minutes are being prepared separately to submit to the Commission at the next scheduled meeting in September.) Chairman Schmidt reconvened the regular Historic Preservation Commission meeting at 9:20 PM. D. LANDMARK DESIGNATION 90-02 - THE RED CHIEF MOTEL AND CAFE Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, presented the Staff Report and passed out an additional Staff Report with an analysis on the adaptive re-use study done on the Red Chief by the applicant and a copy of the December 21 , 1988 City Council Staff Report regarding Landmark designation. i Mr. Henderson reminded the Commission of the policy Historic Preservation Commission adopted in 1988 regarding designating a property a Landmark over a landowner's objection. The following criteria was established: ' A. The property is on the City's Historical Inventory. B. The property stands out as having outstanding historical , architectural , cultural or aesthetic significance. C. The designation would help protect the property. Mr. Henderson stated that this property had been added after the last Historic Preservation Commission meeting and that it was staff's opinion that the property had outstanding historical significance to the City. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Richard Crean, . General Partner, Arroyo Des Los Osos Partnership, gave an overview of his company's involvement in the project and introduced members of his project team. Larry Wolff, Wolff, Lang and Christopher, the project architect, briefly explained his adaptive re-use study. He stated it was his belief that the Red Chief did not seem to fit in with the "design vocabulary" of the Foothill Specific Plan. He expressed their market analysis pointed out that specialty retail , restaurant, and professional offices would be the best possible use recommended for that property. He further commented that removing the Red Chief would preserve more of the existing trees and involve the least amount of disturbance to the existing land at the site. Commissioner Banks asked why they felt visibility on Foothill Boulevard was so t important when at least three of the buildings would have their backs to the HPC MINUTES - 9 - AUGUST 2 , 1990 street and the two other buildings would have their smallest face to the street. Mr. Wolff felt because the structure was a much larger, two-story structure, it would have greater visibility. He commented further that the buildings with their backs to Foothill would be professional office rather than retail . He also stated that they were trying to "build-in" a market where the businesses would create business for one another. Commissioner Preston asked if Mr. Wolff had contacted .staff for their input as to what information would be needed for his adaptive re-use study. Mr. Wolff said he had not contacted staff because of the limited timeframe he was working with to prepare his report. Commissioner Preston questioned staff if the City had a policy or guidelines regarding CEQA reports being prepared by outside firms. Mr. Henderson replied that there was no set policy but that it was highly unusual for the applicant to prepare their own reports; normally, requests for proposals are taken, the applicant is allowed to comment, the City Council makes the final selection and the applicant pays for the studies. Commissioner Preston asked if an attempt had been made to provide financial incentives to allow for the protection or rehabilitation of the structure with a Proforma analysis. Mr. Wolff stated a Proforma analysis was done and would be passed out with one , of the other speakers later in the evening. Commissioner Preston stated he had two basic concerns: 1) Is the structure worthy of a local Landmark designation ; and 2) If it is worthy, then is there something that can be done to protect the structure on thi.s site or another site. He further stated he did not feel the data presented in the applicant's adaptive re-use study was reliable as it did not touch on considerations such. as a range of alternatives, financial incentives, consideration of the Mills Act, possible tax mechanisms, or grant programs and because those questions were not answered he felt could not make an informed decision. Steve Van Wormer, Historian, Consultant to the Project Proponents, stated he had prepared his report on the Red Chief based on record searches from the San Bernardino County Museum, USGS maps, surveys on file at the San Bernardino County Surveyor's office and two field ins'pections. He further stated that based on his field inspections and on CEQA criteria, he did not feel that the structure could be preserved or mitigated with documentation to aid in the public's understanding of the historical development of Rancho Cucamonga. Commissioner Haskvitz asked what was lacking that would have made this site significant. HPC MINUTES - 10 - AUGUST 2 , 1990 Mr. Van Wormer felt that the structure did not have strong associations with the "thematic" developments of the area i .e. , it was not significantly important to the growth and development of specific types of industry or agriculture in the area. He also felt that it did not represent the "Mission architectural style. Commissioner Arner asked if Mr. Van Wormer felt the Red Chief had historical merit based on its association with Route 66. Mr. Van Wormer stated he did not base his evaluation on that factor because it had no ties with the development of the community. Commissioner Banks questioned then why the Sycamore Inn was considered an important element in the area's development. Mr. Van Wormer commented that the Sycamore Inn had been in existence much longer than the Red Chief making it more historically significant to the area. Commissioner Billings stated that he had a long standing concern in that he would like to see a preservation effort for the entire Bear Gulch atmosphere and he felt that this project did that with the efforts to save the Sycamore trees as well as adding trees. He felt the Red Chief was more a point of interest. Tom Snyder, Founder and President of the Route 66 Association, Ventura County, stated he was appearing as a representative of the highway and he received no ' fee for his comments. He commented that he started a movement in 1983 to preserve elements of the Route 66 Highway and that efforts have been geared toward saving the most historically significant structures or most significant continuity of activity along the route. He mentioned that he had been unable to substantiate any evidence or reference to the Red Chief as being important to the era of time 1932-1939. Commissioner Cooper asked what years the highway was considered Route 66. Dr. Snyder replied that the highway was started in 1929 and completed in this area in 1932 ; boom .periods for this area were during the migration west from Oklahoma (1937-1941) and also when steel workers in Detroit were given two-week paid vacations for the first time (1946-1958) . Commissioner Banks asked if he felt the New Kansan motel would merit any special significance for Route 66. Dr. Snyder commented he had been by and looked at the New Kansan and felt it also would not be nationally significant to the highway. Commissioner Banks asked for clarification on whether Dr. Snyder felt the City had any historical motor courts. Dr. Snyder answered no; the Sycamore Inn and the Magic Lamp would be the major points of interest here from a Route 66 perspective. HPC MINUTES - 11 - AUGUST 2 , 1990 Commissioner Haskvitz_ mentioned that the Red Chief was where the poorer people had stayed and that the richer people generally stayed at the Sycamore Inn. He asked how many motor courts along Route 66 also had a restaurant. Dr. Snyder stated it was fairly uncommon to have both but not necessarily significant unless the restaurant and the motel operated jointly from the beginning and continued to operate together. Ms. Hartig reiterated what Commissioner Haskvitz had stated regarding the type of people staying at either the Red Chief or the Sycamore Inn. In addition, she asked Dr. Snyder what field his doctorate was in. Dr. Snyder replied his doctorate was in social psychology. Ken Henrickson, Professor of History, emeritus ; President and Superintendent, emeritus, Chaffey College, stated he agreed with Commissioner Billings' view that preserving the Bear Gulch area as a focal point should be pursued. He also asked the Commission to think about preservation with economic viability in mind; the Sycamore Inn has always been economically viable where the Red Chief was only for a short while. Matt Jordon, Project Manager and Partner, Arroyo Des Los Osos Partnership, and CPA, passed out a financial analysis to the Commission. He commented that rehabilitating the project would be extremely expensive and would not have the economic draw that their project would create for the tenants and the City. He felt the Sycamore Inn, the Sycamore trees and their ambience created a very special effect important to the project. He further stated that building ' coverage of the Red Chief site was approximately 2.1 acres or 25-30 percent of land that could be built on and if it remained on the site, it would "kill " the remainder of the project, economically speaking. Commissioner Preston questioned if the adaptive re-use fiscal analysis assumed that the buildings would remain in their current configuration or if any effort had been made to consider alternatives that would make preserving the structure economically feasible. Mr. Jordon apologized for his ignorance, but stated if the project is historically significant as a landmark, he would think you would not want to change the configuration, otherwise where is the significance. Commissioner Preston asserted that Mr. Jordon misunderstands the nature of historic preservation in California and that there is no requirement that a structure be preserved "as is". Commissioner Banks interjected it would also be a misunderstanding of the City's policy and other projects that have been viable, i .e.., the Virginia Dare Winery where only. a small portion of the original structure maintained. Commissioner Preston commented that a series of assumptions had been built into the analysis of economic feasibility that were not assumptions from the Commission. He went on to say there could be 100 ways to incorporate the ' elements of the Red Chief Motel and make it work fiscally but without HPC MINUTES - 12 - AUGUST 2 , 1990 direction on how to prepare that analysis and to look at the site in its current configuration with blinders on to economic reality, would be a serious ' mistake for anyone in preservation to make; the assumption would then be made that the project would fail . Commissioner Banks felt the key word in the analysis was rehabilitation; adaptive re-use was not addressed. Mr. Crean summed up his family's involvement and commitment to developing in this area with this project. He commented that a Landmark designation would not prevent the site from demolition because they could apply for a Landmark Alteration Permit for that purpose, but the matter of time and economic resources involved would seriously hamper the future and the success of their project. He also mentioned that their legal counsel had advised them that City staff had made a significant omission in their summary of the findings in that the City's position is not consistent with the purposes of the City's Historic Preservation Ordinance which states only after finding demolition to be consistent with the ordinance can a finding be made that demolition is justified by immediate or substantial hardship to the applicant. He stated it was his belief that sufficient evidence had been presented to substantiate the fact that a Landmark designation would create an extreme economic hardship for his partnership. Commissioner Preston asked hypothetically if it would have made any difference if a recommendation had been made to make the Sycamore trees, the Oso Bear and the Sycamore Inn a Landmark (currently a Point of Interest) rather than the 1 Red Chief and if Arroyo Des Los Osos could have supported that decision. Mr. Crean replied he would need to think about that. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Mr. Henderson reminded the Commission that in accordance with the Historic Preservation Ordinance, besides voting for or against the application they could choose to recommend a modified application. Commissioner Preston asked if the project would have to be re-advertised for public hearing next month. Mr. Henderson said that the item would need to be continued to the next Historic Preservation Commission meeting in September and it would need to be re-advertised to advertise all the parcels in Bear Gulch and notify all the property owners involved. Commissioner Preston clarified that the ' Commission could choose not to designate the Red Chief as an Historic Landmark but as an alternative,. recommend saving the other features of the Bear Gulch area if the Commission felt those features were significant enough concerns. He also pointed out that the Historic Preservation Commission could only continue to preserve structures if the Commission could show economically viable uses for them; hence, adaptive re-use studies are critical . HPC MINUTES - 13 - AUGUST 2 , 1990 Commissioner Banks commented that she felt she had not received adequate information to base her decision on and that as a Commissioner she is obligated to explore every alternative to save the City' s resources. ' Commissioner Cooper asked if the Commission ' s involvement was to determine economic feasibility or historical significance. She felt the Commission's input should be historical in nature and she did not feel the Red Chief was very historical to the community. Commissioner Preston stated he felt there was validity to recommend local Landmark status but he also felt the same as Commissioner Banks in that if there had been a conclusive study done to preserve portions or the whole structure he would have been able to make a conclusive decision. Mr. Preston stated that the resolutions presently before the Commission did not document the special findings necessary to nominate over the owner's objection and in the future he would want to see all the special conditions and findings documented in any resolutions. Commissioner Haskvitz felt that the site was an important site because it could be one of the last hotel/motor court/restaurant complexes left in California. He concurred that he would have wanted to see adaptive re-use data on the structure. Commissioner Cooper stated she felt it was not a significant landmark in the community. MOTION: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Haskvitz, carried by a split vote 4-3-0, ' not to approve Landmark status for the Red Chief Motel and Cafe. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, BILLINGS, BANKS, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, HASKVITZ, ARNER ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Banks, for the purpose of setting a calendar date for a City Council public hearing to consider Landmark Designation of the entire Bear Gulch complex, minus the Red Chief Motel , incorporating the Sycamore Inn, the significant trees as determined by the Planning Department, the Oso Bear statue, and the potential archaeological resources as significant features. Ed Hobson, Attorney, Covington and Crow, objected to the motion because the Bear Gulch area was not advertised in the paper and neither the property owners nor the restaurant lessee were notified of a public hearing. He believed that the bear statue is already a Landmark. Commissioner Preston stated there was no need to object to this motion as it was only for the purpose of calendaring the item for City Council . HPC MINUTES - 14 - AUGUST 2 , 1990 Ms. Hartig asked for clarification that the Commission was concerning itself with the north side of Bear Gulch, not including the Magic Lamp. Commissioner Preston answered that was correct. Mr. Henderson asked for clarification that the Commission recommended to the City Council denial of the application as presented tonight on a split vote. He stated another option would be for the Commission to send a separate recommendation to the Council to initiate an application for Bear Gulch and request staff to initiate a new application next month for the Bear Gulch area as defined by the Commission. Commissioner Banks asked Commissioner Preston why he didn't ask that the Historic Preservation Commission set the matter for a public hearing. Commissioner Preston stated he did not wish to do that because Council would still have to remand it back to Historic Preservation Commission for consideration and that a report would be required. He commented that the Council could: 1) choose to take no action and then the Historic Preservation Commission could choose to initiate it; or 2) say that they did not agree and that the site plan appears to preserve the major features of the site adequately. He further stated he did not want to make the applicant return to Historic Preservation Commission for another hearing unless the Council was willing to have the Historic Preservation Commission consider Landmark status for the other features of the site. ' Commissioner Preston stated he wished to remove his former motion and restate it. Brad Buller, City Planner, asked if the Historic Preservation Commission 's primary purpose was to alert the Council that they may be taking the position of taking "the bigger picture" discussion forward as far as Landmark Alteration was concerned. Commissioner Preston answered yes and stated that he had heard three members of the Commission make reference to the issue that there are other building structures or features which are more significant and worthy of protection. Mr. Buller stated that on any action of this Commission the minutes along with the Commission's recommendation would go up to City Council . Commissioner Preston commented that was not strong enough, that he would prefer direction from the Council regarding their interests. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Banks, carried 6-1-0, to request City Council provide direction to Historic Preservation Commission how Council feels regarding a potential Landmark Designation for the Bear Gulch area which would include the Sycamore Inn, the significant trees, the Oso Bear statue and potential archaeological resources, but exclude the ' Red Chief Motel and Restaurant Buildings. 1 HPC MINUTES - 15 - AUGUST 2 , 1990 AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, PRESTON, BANKS, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER ' ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried NEW BUSINESS No new business to present. COMMISSION BUSINESS No commission business to present. ANNOUNCEMENTS No announcements to present. PUBLIC COMMENTS No further public comments were made. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 11 :41 PM to an adjourned meeting at 6:00 PM on August 16, 1990 at the Thomas Winery site located on the northeast corner of Foothill and Vineyard in Rancho Cucamonga. Respectfully submitted, S� V a � -� Shelley A. Petrelli Secretary 1 HPC MINUTES - 16 - AUGUST 2 , 1990 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA ' JOINT HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES Adjourned Meeting July 19, 1990 Conditional Use Permit 90-20 - Arroyo de los Osos, Ltd. Chairman Schmidt and Chairman McNiel call the joint meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Planning Commission and Historic Preservation Commission to order at 4 :00 p.m. The meeting was held at the Rancho Cucamonga City Hall , 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. The purpose of the workshop was to discuss the Conditional Use Permit 90-20 (Arroyo De Los Osos, Ltd. ) with respect to preservation of the Red Chief Motel/China Alley Restaurant versus "focalizing" the Sycamore Inn, the historic importance and preservation of mature Sycamore trees on-site, and the preservation of Red Hill as a natural land form. ROLL CALL HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskavitz, Steve Preston, Bob Schmidt. ' ABSENT: NONE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Larry McNiel , John Melcher, Peter Tolstoy, Betsy Weinberger. ABSENT: Suzanne Chitiea STAFF PRESENT: Brad Buller, City Planner; Dan Coleman, Principal Planner; Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner; Steve Hayes, Assistant Planner; •Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Otto Kroutil , Deputy City Planner. Architect/Engineer Larry Wolff, & David Dean, Wolff/Lang/Christopher Architects; Dan Guerra, Derbish Guerra & Associates. Owner/Applicant: Matthew Jordan, Arroyo de los Osos, Ltd. The Commissions reviewed the project in reference to the agenda. No formal action was taken on the project; as the purpose of the workshop was to familiarize the Commissions with the project and to create an interactive atmosphere between the applicant and the Commissions. ' Brad Buller, City Planner, opened with general remarks relating to the issues to be discussed at the workshop. Otto Kroutil , Deputy City Planner, presented a brief overview of the "ground paperwork" for ttie "pedestrian oriented activity center concept within the Foothill Boulevard Specific Plan. Specifically, he explained the importance ' of the Sycamore Inn and the mature trees to the Bear Gulch Activity Center area and preservation thereof. Matthew Jordan, Arroyo De Los Osos Partnership, presented a brief summary of the proposed use breakdown. He stated that although it is understood that the site is zoned for specialty commercial uses, various market analyses have determined that the site is not economically viable for commercial uses because of limited visibility from Foothill Boulevard and the lack of available water and sewer capacity. He stated that he was trying to be sensitive to the City's needs but at the same time create an economically viable project. Larry Wolff, Wolff/Lang/Christopher, Architects, presented the project proposal . He stated that two possibilities were available to design this project: 1) Develop a "focused" project, concentrating on the craftsman elements of the Sycamore Inn, and 2) Develop an "eclectic" project, which not only preserves the Sycamore Inn, but also preserves the Spanish motif of the Red Chief Motel . He indicated they chose the former because the Inn is specifically mentioned as the most important building in the Subarea. He felt that tree preservation is an important issue because the Sycamore Inn would only be a moderately interesting structure without the trees. He said approximately 80 percent of the Sycamores are to be saved with the current plans, and any trees proposed for removal would be replaced at a 3 to 1 ratio. He stated that all considerations regarding the gateway importance of 1 the project were taken into account when the project was designed. Mr. Wolff presented a colored slope analysis plan of the site. He explained that buildings were plotted with open up views of Red Hill , both interior and exterior to the site. He stated roof lines were designed to follow the . natural skyline and varied to open up scenic vistas. Steve Hayes, Assistant Planner, presented a brief synopsis of the project status. He explained that the application was still incomplete and numerous studies (arborist's report, geologic studies, etc. ) had not yet been submitted to the Planning Division. He framed the three basic questions in the handout given to the Committee members prior to the start of the meeting. Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner, explained the differences between an Historic Landmark and a Point of Historical Interest designation. She also emphasized the importance of potential archaeological findings and noted that the City will be contracting for an additional archaeological analysis and that all work (grading, etc. ) should be stopped if any traces of significant remnants are found. Commissioner Preston summed up his concerns. He stated that preservation of all mature heritage trees is important and questioned how much grading would occur. HPC & Planning Workshop Minutes 2 July 19 , ' V90 1 Dan Guerra, Derbish Guerra Associates, responded that approximately 80,000 cubic yards would•"be" graded for the entire project, of which a majority would occur near the base of Red Hill and in the streetscape area. Commissioner `Preston recommended that preservation of the motel be an "issue." He pointed out that no formal action could be taken because the matter is scheduled for public hearing at the August 2, 1990, Historic Preservation Commission meeting. He stated that the arborist's report should cover the windrow east of the site along the Southern Pacific Railroad tracks as well as the trees on site. He recalled the past importance of the caves built by the Chinese in Red Hill and requested that the applicant not allow development to disturb those off-site caves. He reminded the Commissions of the quality of the Sycamore Inn sign and recommended that it be preserved. Commissioner Banks had a problem with the architectural compatibility of the proposed buildings. She felt that the Sycamore Inn may be lost if similar structures were constructed in the proposed manner. She felt that the applicant's argument for removing the Red Chief Motel based on lack of visibility was not valid since the site was constructed to be of a pedestrian orientation. She felt that the Red Chief would be good for pedestrian oriented, special commercial uses. She also stated the preservation of the Red Hill view corridor was extremely important. Commissioner Haskavitz expressed his concern for preserving elements of Route 66. He also felt that size is more important than the number of trees. ' Chairman McNiel confirmed his feelings that the Sycamore Inn is the most significant structure on-site, if not the entire Bear Gulch area. He noted the importance of a functional site, but stated that tree preservation is extremely important. He felt that all grading should be concealed from public view. He felt there will be lot more questions and that most likely more workshops will be needed. Commissioner Tolstoy again noted the need for mature tree preservation. He confirmed his feelings that the natural profile and scenic vistas of Red Hill should be preserved in their natural state. He harked back to his youth and recalled his feeling of nostalgia for the motor court setting, but felt that the Sycamore Inn was the outstanding structure on-site. Commissioner Melcher requested that two colored plans be prepared for their next workshop on the project: one showing preserved trees in one color and removed trees in another color and the other plan indicating all trees on site. He felt that the amount of grading is relatively minor in comparison to the size of the site. Chairman McNiel requested information on the status of the railroad overpass over Foothill Boulevard. Mr. Buller stated that Foothill Boulevard will be widened at the overpass and that plans are currently in the process to do so. HPC & Planning Workshop Minutes 3 July 19, 1990 Commissioner Preston asked that an adaptive reuse study for the Red Chief Motel , including a- range of potential alternatives, be developed..• Mr. Wolff asked the Commissions how they .should interpret the Hillside Development Ordinance (letter of the law versus meeting the spirit and intent). It was generally felt that this issue should be discussed further with the Planning Commission, but that meeting the spirit and intent of the Ordinance would be acceptable. Commissioner Tolstoy felt that the Sycamore Inn would not be lost if the new buildings emulated its craftsman elements and that an integrated project was preferable to an eclectic project. Commissioner McNiel stated his concerns with an integrated project in relation to the Thomas Winery. He said that as originally proposed the architect for the Thomas Winery promised buildings that were compatible with the Still Building; however, he felt that the, project turned out "trendy" and is not integrated with the historic structures. Mr. Buller recapped the main points of the meeting. It was generally agreed that the findings of the archaeological and arborist's reports were important to both Commissions. It was the consensus of the Commissions that the grading issue is significant, but it was generally felt that meeting the spirit and intent of the Hillside Ordinance is preferable to going by the letter of the law so long as Red Hill is not altered significantly.. It was pointed out that ' nothing will be determined until the August 2 , 1990, ,public hearing before the Historic Preservation Commission regarding the preservation of the Red Chief Motel . Chairman McNiel affirmed his feelings on this project as it relates to grading. He stated that the ordinance was approved to avoid severe scarring of the hillsides ( i .e. , Diamond Bar, Hacienda Heights). He felt that this project does not propose anything that drastic. ADJOURNMENT The joint Planning Commission and ' Historic Preservation Commission meeting/workshop adjourned at 5 :20 p.m. J Respectfully submitted, Brad Buller HPC & Planning Workshop Minutes 4 July 19, 1990 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting July 5 , 1990 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7 :03 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS : PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS : ABSENT: Alan Haskvitz STAFF PRESENT: Brad Buller, City Planner; Anthea Hartig, Assistant Planner; Steve Hayes, Assistant Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; ' Shelley Petrelli , Secretary OLD BUSINESS A. THOMAS WINERY PARKING LOT LIGHTING UPDATE Assistant Planner, Anthea Hartig presented the oral staff report. She stated that there are thirteen lights in the parking lot area and that 30th Street Architects feel it is the previous developer's responsibility to remove the lights and not their own. Commissioner Banks questioned if the Commission had ever received an answer from the developer regarding the rejection of the National Register Application for Landmark status. Commissioner Preston stated that the developer had been asked on several occasions to supply information pertaining to and/or a copy of the application submitted to the National Register but this request had not been fulfilled . Ms. Hartig stated that she had recently received a copy of the requested information and that she was still reviewing it to present a full report to the Commission at a later date. HPC MINUTES -1- JULY 5 . '. aa0 B. HISTORICAL WALKWAY SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATE Principal Planner, Larry Henderson presented the staff report. He mentioned that the Park and Recreation Commission has the Heritage Park Historical Walkway on their July 19 agenda and they will be selecting a subcommittee to work with the Historic Preservation Commission subcommittee on the project. He further stated that he would be at the Park and Recreation meeting to to answer any questions. * * * * * C. AMERICAN CAN COMPANY/ALTA LOMA HEIGHTS CITRUS PACKING HOUSE Assistant Planner, Anthea Hartig presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks recalled that the structure was not deemed a Landmark because the Commission did not have owner consent and that there was no eminent possibility of threat to the property. The Commission concurred . Commissioner Banks mentioned that she had been contacted previously by a boardmember of the Alta School District about purchasing the property and she wondered if the School District still had such an interest. Ms. Hartig replied that they were no longer interested . I * * * * NEW BUSINESS D. DETERMINATION OF THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE RED CHIEF MOTEL AND CAFE, LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FOOTHILL BOULEVARD, WEST OF THE SYCAMORE INN Assistant Planner, Anthea Hartig presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks inquired as to when the structures were built. Commissioner Billings responded that the buildings were built in 1932 and that he believed both structures were built at the same time. Commissioner Cooper commented that Ralph Murchison should be contacted regarding additional information on the Red Chief Motel because his family owned the motel for many years. She also stated that the Red Chief mural is now located at the Upland Museum. HPC MINUTES -2- JULY 5 , 1990 Mr. Richard Crean, Arroyo des los Osos Partnership, 1131 W. Sixth St. , #300, Ontario, CA, presented a model of the project. He explained that their plan is to make the Sycamore Inn the focal point of this project. The project could include historic walkways and artifacts to further enhance the historical significance. Commissioner Preston asked if the developer was aware of the historical significance of the Red Chief and if they had considered the possibility of incorporating the motel into the project. Mr. Crean stated that their studies indicated it would not be economically feasible to retain the motel or to try to integrate it into the their village concept. He further stated that they had three separate market analysis done pertaining to incorporating the Red ' Chief into the project, resulting in a negative response from each survey. Commissioner Preston inquired as to the square footage of the tenant space proposed . David Dean, Wolf, Lang, Christopher, 10470 Foothill Boulevard , Rancho Cucamonga, CA, responded that there are 10,000 square foot units ; a 17,000 square foot unit; and a 30,000 square foot unit. Commissioner Preston inquired as to how many Sycamore trees would be removed. ' Mr. Crean explained that while a few of the Sycamores would be removed , most would remain and additional large Sycamores would be added to replace the removed trees . Commissioner Preston questioned whether any of the companies performing marketing analysis on the property had studied the possibility of adaptive re- use. Mr. Crean answered that Pete Marwick and Albert Gobar and Associates had done the analysis , but he did not know if they had performed an adaptive re-use study. Commissioner Banks inquired if the applicant had investigated the possibility of joining the units and leaving the facade of the Red Chief to incorporate it into the project. Mr. Crean commented that their investigation showed that this would not be a situation their potential clients considered "workable" because of the layout and shape of the space available . Commissioner Preston wished to know if the property was located within the Redevelopment Agency. Mr. Henderson confirmed that it was. HPC MINUTES -3- JULY 5 , 1990 Commissioner Preston directed staff to identify how the transient housing characteristics o-f a- motel relate to Redevelopment goals and provisions for housing; if those goals would encourage a site such as this; and if the applicant would be eligible to receive assistance from the Redevelopment Agency to include funding for an adaptive re-use marketing study. MOVED by Banks, seconded by Arner, carried by the following vote 6-0-1 , to initiate an application for Landmark or Point of Interest status for the Red Chief Motel and Cafe and to set a public hearing for the same at the next Historic Preservation Commission meeting of August 2, 1990. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, ARNER, BILLINGS, COOPER, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES : COMMISSIONERS : NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : HASKVITZ --carried E. HISTORIC NAMES FOR CIVIC CENTER PUBLIC CONFERENCE ROOMS Assistant Planner, Anthea Hartig, presented her list of suggested names. Commissioner Cooper suggested citrus packing company names be' used because of the significance the citrus industry had in this area. ' Commissioner Banks expressed that she would prefer to adopt a "theme" such as citrus names, historic names of people, or historic community names. The Commission concurred that their first choice for names would be varieties of citrus crops ( i .e. Valencia, Navel , etc.) . They. further concurred they would like these names mounted outside each conference room. with its citrus packing label . Alternate Lists for Conference Rooms : Historical Communities Alta Loma Bear Gulch Cucamonga Etiwanda Grapeland Guasti Ioamosa Marquette Rochester HPC MINUTES -4- JULY 5 , 1990 ' Historical Persons From Each Community Alta Loma Cucamonga Etiwanda Albert Kincaid Chaffey Cherbak Klusman Frost Demens Lucas Garcia Stoebe Prudhomme Johnston Thorpe Santalucito Scott MOTION by Banks, seconded by Arner, carried by the following vote 6-0-1 , to direct. staff to develop three theme lists to be presented to the Historic Preservation Commission at the August 2, 1990 meeting for review, discussion, and ranking of importance, and to be passed on to the subcommittee for consideration. AYES : COMMISSIONERS : BANKS, ARNER, BILLINGS, COOPER, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES : COMMISSIONERS : NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : HASKVITZ --carried ' F. NATIONAL TRUST CONFERENCE IN CHARLESTON, S. C. - OCTOBER 17-21 Commissioner Arner and Chairman Schmidt both stated they would be interested in attending the conference as representatives of the Commission. PUBLIC COMMENTS Mr. Henderson informed the Historic Preservation Commission that the Planning Commission wished to have a joint workshop meeting regarding Sycamore Village on either July 19 or July 26. City Planner, Brad Buller suggested the joint Historic Preservation Commission/Planning Commission meeting could take place on July 19, 1990 from 4:00-5 :30 PM. The Commission concurred that time and date was agreeable and stated they would wait to receive a memo from staff regarding the Planning Commission' s concurrence. ' HPC MINUTES -5- JULY 5 , ! QQO ANNOUNCEMENTS Senior Planner, Larry Henderson, mentioned that Commissioner Arner was honored by Upland City Council in Resolution No. 4121 for her many years of dedication to preserving historical heritage for future generations. ADJOURNMENT The Hi'storic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8:29 PM to a joint Historic Preservation Commission/Planning Commission meeting at 4:00 PM on July 19, 1990 at the Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic. Center Drive, Rancho, Cucamonga. Respectfully submitted, n G . CCR.� ShelleyelIi Secretary HPC MINUTES -6- JULY' 5, ' a90 ' CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regul.ar Meeting June 7 , 1990 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7 :00 p.m. The meeting was held at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS : PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz (arrival at 7 :05 p.m.) Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt.. COMMISSIONERS : ABSENT: NONE STAFF PRESENT: Bruce Buckingham, Assistant Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli , Secretary; Steven Ross, Assistant 'Planner APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: Moved by Billings, seconded by Cooper, carried by 6-0-1 vote to approve the May 3 , 1990 Historic Preservation Commission minutes. OLD BUSINESS A. TIME CAPSULE FOR CIVIC CENTER DEDICATION CEREMONY Larry Henderson, Principal Planner informed the Commission the the City Council" had formed a subcommittee to collect suggestions from all the Commissions regarding items for the Time Capsule for the July 4, 1990 Dedication Ceremony of the new Civic Center. He asked the Commissioners for additional suggestions to the list from the May 3, 1990 Historic Preservation meeting. Commissioner Haskvitz requested the addition of the Rancho Cucamonga Game created by the Junior Achievement students. Commissioner Arner mentioned adding pamphlets from the Rains House annual event. HPC MINUTES -1- JUNE 7 , 19g0 B. DETERMINATION OF THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LOCATED AT 9665 AND 9648 ESTACIA COURT - APN: 208-152-04, 06 Principal Planner, Larry Henderson presented the Staff Report,. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Max Williams , Architect, Cucamonga County Water District, 9641 San Bernardino Road, requested information on the procedures for determining the historical significance of a site. Mr. Henderson responded that a request for demolition prompts an Environmental Study which determines if the structure is 45 years or older or if it is historically/architecturally significant; subsequently, a determination of the level of historical significance must be made accordingly. He further stated that the Historic Preservation Commission has the authority to determine the historical significance of a structure; however, City Council makes the final determination regarding landmark status. Additionally he mentioned that no demolition could take place until this final determination had been made. Mr. Williams stated that the Foothill Specific Plan specified this particular portion of Estacia Court is designated for commercial use and the street would be widened to make a connecting route with Foothill Boulevard which in turn would require the demolition of house at 9648 Estacia . He also commented that he felt their master plan would enhance the neighborhood more than preserving the two existing homes would . Chairman Schmidt asked which option appeared most feasible to the water district. Mr. . Williams responded that CCWD would prefer to move the structures to another location if moving is determined to be the action preferred by HPC and City staff. Commissioner Cooper requested the current status regarding the China house. Jim Kline , Cucamonga County Water District, responded that they had submitted an application for a Parcel Map but had withdrawn it because of uncertainty regarding the status of the surrounding property. He further stated that CCWD would be willing to give the property to the City for an historical site. Commissioner Preston requested clarification on whether the Specific Plan should take precedence over the historic value of the houses . Mr. Henderson responded that the Specific Plan was not totally conclusive as to the the land use determination of the historic structures in the neighborhood . He also commented that although a determination of commercial use had been designated by the plan, it would still possible to use the existing houses as office space or another similar commercial use. He further stated that background information (i .e. , former owners, etc .) of these homes was sketchy and therefore, not helpful in drawing any conclusions as to their historical significance. HPC MINUTES -2- JUNE 7 , 1990 Commissioner Preston asked if this matter would be going to Planning 1 Commission for an interpretation of the Foothill Specific Plan. Steve Ross, Assistant Planner responded that an application had been submitted but was not yet deemed complete. Commissioner Preston questioned what plans CCWD had for the vacant land by the China House. Mr. Kline responded that the property south of Klusman belongs to CCWD and the property on the west will most likely go through the Parcel Map application process again and be sold . Mr. Williams added that the houses across the street may be also be sold . Commissioner Banks asked what CCWD thoughts were on purchasing another site for the property to be moved onto. Mr. Kline commented that he believed that CCWD would be willing to move the houses but not necessarily purchase property specifically for that use. Commissioner Billings asked if it would be feasible to move the houses to the south side of the street to retain the historical integrity of the neighborhood . ' Commissioner Banks stated that she had a proposal to address Commissioner Billings' question. She agreed that the houses themselves did not have great historical or architectural significance but felt that the neighborhood did . She went on to suggest developing an historic district on Estacia Court. She recalled that staff was supposed to be working on a concept for that district. Mr. Henderson iterated that staff was working on the concept but had encountered some delays because of changes in department personnel . Commissioner Banks asked for a consensus from the rest of the Commission regarding the status of the houses. Consensus was to designate 9664 Estacia Court as a Potential Local Landmark (PLL) and 9648 Estacia Court as Survey Determined Insignificant (SDI) . Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. MOTION: MOVED by Banks, seconded by Cooper, carried unanimously 7-0-0, to revise the Historic Survey to indicate that the residence located at 9648 Estacia Court be reclassified as Surveyed Determined Insignificant (SDI) and that the residence located at 9664 Estacia Court be changed to a Potential Local Landmark (PLL) . HPC MINUTES -3- JUNE 7 , 1990 AYES : COMMISSIONERS : BANKS, COOPER, ARNER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT ' NOES•: COMMISSIONERS,: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : NONE --carried MOTION: MOVED by Banks, seconded by Cooper, carried unanimously 7-0-0, to initiate an historic district by starting Landmark Applications that include all the properties identified on the south side Estacia Court, the north side of Foothill between Archibald Avenue. and Klusman and including the property identified at 9664 Estacia Court. AYES: COMMISSIONERS : BANKS, COOPER, ARNER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT NOES : COMMISSIONERS : NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : NONE --carried OLD BUSINESS ' C. PLANNER RECRUIT UPDATE Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, announced that Anthea Hartig would be joining City staff on June 18 as an Assistant Planner for Historic Preservation. D. CALIFORNIA PRESERVATION CONFERENCE IN SAN FRANCISCO - Slide Show Presentation Slide show was cancelled because the equipment was inoperable at the time of the meeting. COMMISSION "USINESS Commissioner Banks announced that the Etiwanda- Historical Society Rummage Sale would be on Saturday, June 9 at 8:00 AM. 1 HPC MINUTES -4 JUNE 7 , 1990 PUBLIC COMMENTS No further public comment was made. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8 :15 PM Respectfully submitted, Q• Shelley A. Pe relli Secretary HPC MINUTES -5- JUNE 7 , 1990 7 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting May 3, 1990 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7 :04 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road , Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS : PRESENT: Melicent Arner (arrival at 7 :28 PM) , Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt. COMMISSIONERS : ABSENT: NONE STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli , Secretary 1 APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Preston, carried by 6-0-1 vote to approve the April 5 , 1990 Historic Preservation Commission minutes. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 90-05 - THE CROSWELL HOUSE - CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, presented the Staff Report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Commissioner Haskvitz asked if there was going to be accent lighting on the project. HPC MINUTES -1- MAY 3, 1990 Steve Falk, Inland Design, 954 W. Foothill Blvd, Suite B, Upland , California, stated there would be lighting on the new project and the existing lighting on the house would remain, as well as lighting on the pathways. He further commented that the Croswell house would be remodeled inside and used as a condominium. Mr. Falk noted that Unit 6 had been deleted from the plans and that the driveway approaches were arranged according City Engineering specifications . Commissioner Preston stated he had some concerns regarding integrating the Croswell House into to the new project. He felt, from a noise and safety perspective, the rear driveway should be moved further from the property line to allow a larger backyard area and to allow traffic circulation further from the house. Commissioner Banks commented that she felt the driveway placement actually helped preserve the house because it prevented larger, 2-story structures from obstructing the view of the house. Commissioner Preston responded that perhaps placing a wall around the property would be a possible solution. Commissioner Banks felt that if a wall were added it would be best on the side yard to the east thereby creating a larger side yard. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, stated that having the driveways as shown on the site plan would limit traffic circulation through the current project ' and prevent future development from creating several driveway accesses. He also mentioned that there would be another driveway approximately 300 feet west that would carry a majority of the traffic generated by the parcels to the west. Mr. Falk suggested moving Units 18-21 about 5 to 10 feet to the north; then moving the center driveway between Units 18 and 10 to the north and also moving Units 4 & 5 approximately 15 to 20 feet to the north to allow for a 15 to 20-foot backyard for the Croswell house. Mr. Henderson asked if there was enough setback to move all these units to the north and to create the 15 to 20 foot backyard. Mr. Falk stated there was additional space between these units beyond the required setbacks that would allow for the larger yard for the house. Commissioner Preston asked Mr. Falk if he thought the owners would object to having a wall along the rear yard property created by the northward movement of these units. Mr. Falk said he could not speak for the owner, but he wanted to emphasize that this single family home would function as a condominium in this project HPC MINUTES -2- MAY 3, 1990 along with the other 34 condos. He suggested the possibility of using a hedge to set the property off. Commissioner Preston still felt that the project did not lend itself well to the historical elements of the house. Commissioner Banks disagreed with that statement as she felt it was important to integrate older homes into their new surroundings rather than isolating them. She commented that for the house to function for a family, it should be opened up to the complex to use the pool and etc. , as well as be a part of the larger environment. Commissioner Preston questioned if this house was subject to the City' s historic plaque program and whether it was feasible to add a condition that the developer pay for the historic plaque. He suggested the possibility of having this be a standard condition for future development of this nature. The Commission concurred that could be a possible consideration for the future. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. MOVED by Haskvitz, seconded by Banks, to approve Landmark Alteration Permit 90-05 and to amend the Conditions of Approval by the addition of Condition No. 3, stating that a 15-foot deep rear yard shall be provided for the Croswell House by amending the site plan and the rear yard shall be defined by a hedge. AYES : COMMISSIONERS : HASKVITZ, BANKS, ARNER, COOPER, PRESTON, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, NOES : COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : NONE --carried OLD BUSINESS Commissioner Banks asked about the status of the cuttings of the Lone Cypress tree. Mr. Henderson stated that the cuttings were gathered and shipped out to the arborist for propagation. He mentioned that if this project is a success he felt that would be the time to contact the paper regarding publicity for the project. HPC MINUTES -3- MAY 3, 1990 NEW BUSINESS Commissioner Haskvitz inquired about keeping a log book for the archives of City's movie permits. He also stated he would like to see a condition of the permit be that when the movie is named and released that the company contact the City with the name and release date of the movie. The. Commission concurred to direct staff to bring back information on keeping a log of movies, videos and commercials filmed in the City. Commissioner Arner stated that in the California Preservation Quarterly, January issue, there was an article covering the handling of publicity. DIRECTOR'S REPORTS B. CALIFORNIA PRESERVATION CONFERENCE Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, presented an oral report . on the conference. C. TIME CAPSULE FOR CIVIC CENTER DEDICATION CEREMONY ' The following items were mentioned as possible items for the time capsule to be buried on July 4, 1990 : Current Newspaper Publication from Etiwanda Historical Society Lions 1990 Yearbook Yearbooks from other organizations in the City Church Bulletins Bottle of Pierre Biane wine A Sesquicentennial pin and calendar Clippings from the Lone Cypress tree Current issue of the Grapevine publication Involve local schools for additional input D. STATUS OF ASSOCIATE PLANNER RECRUITMENT Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, presented an oral update. HPC MINUTES -4- MAY 3, 1990 Mr. Henderson commented that a potential candidate would be interviewed next week. COMMISSION BUSINESS Commissioner Preston passed out information on the upcoming Architectural Craft Fair and copies of an article from the Southern California Quarterly written about the Inland Empire. ANNOUNCEMENTS Commissioner Arner reminded the Commission that the Upland Historic Home Tour would be on May 6, 1990. Mr. Henderson mentioned the City Hall moving date would be May 18, 1990. He requested anyone to submit information regarding 3 United States flags found in the archives. PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS No further public comment. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8 :12 PM. Respectfully submitted, lJ�. Shelley A. Petrelli Secretary ' HPC MINUTES -6- MAY 3, 1990 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting April 5 , 1990 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7 :02 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161. Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California . Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS : PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt. COMMISSIONERS : ABSENT: Gene Billings STAFF PRESENT: Jeff Gravel , Assistant Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Shelley Petrelli , Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Banks, carried 6-0-1 to approve the Joint Planning Commission and Historic Preservation Commission Minutes of March 1 , 1990 and the Historic Preservation Commission Regular Meeting Minutes of March 1 , 1990 . Chairman Schmidt requested moving Item G to the beginning the of agenda. NEW BUSINESS G. CONSIDERATION OF LETTER DATED FEBRUARY 26, 1990 FROM ETIWANDA HISTORICAL SOCIETY REQUESTING ENDORSEMENT OF A RECOMMENDATION FOR A BUDGET REQUEST FOR FISCAL YEARS 1990-1991 Gary Collins , President of the Etiwanda Historical Society, P. 0. Box 363, Etiwanda, CA 91739 presented a video tape of the relocation and restoration of the Chaffey-Garcia house. Mr. Collins stated that the Historical Society was requesting funds to install a parking lot and sidewalk in front of the house., HPC MINUTES -1- APRIL 5 , 1990 Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, informed the Commission that there were some paving options other than asphalt, such as a granite mixture or colored concrete, if the Commission wished to consider such options . Commissioner Preston asked if the City' s Community Services Department would be responsible for maintaining the house and parking lot. Mr. Henderson stated that the Etiwanda Historical Society has taken on that responsibility. MOTION: Moved by Haskvitz , seconded by Preston, with Banks abstaining, to approve the recommendation for the budget request for the fiscal year 1990- 1991 . Carried by the following vote : AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, PRESTON, ARNER, COOPER, SCHMIDT NOES : COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : BILLINGS ABSTAIN : COMMISSIONERS : BANKS --carried Commissioner Banks stated that she abstained from the vote because of her past ' active involvement with the Etiwanda Historical Society and the Chaffey-Garcia House. She further stated that the group needed this financial infusion .to keep their enthusiasm going. Mr. Henderson stated that staff would take the Commission 's minute action with a follow up memo to the City Administrator's office. PUBLIC HEARING A. LANDMARK ALTERATION 90-02 FOR THE LEDIG HOUSE - CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Arner stated her appreciation for staff's efforts to save this house. HPC MINUTES -2- APRIL 5 , 1990 MOTION: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Banks, to approve Landmark Alteration ' permit 90-02 to move the Ledig House from its current location , 5702 Amethyst Street, to a site east of and adjacent to, the Rancho Cucamonga Neighborhood Center; and to direct staff to include Historic Preservation Commission , Community Services , and the Planning Division in the design of the site plan. Carried by the following vote: • AYES: COMMISSIONERS : COOPER, BANKS, ARNER, PRESTON, SCHMIDT, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : BILLINGS --carried OLD BUSINESS B. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT APPLICATION 90-04 - HIX DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, presented the staff report. MOTION: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Preston, to approve Landmark Alteration Permit 90-04 for the Lord House, along with Exhibit A of the April 5 , 1990 ' Staff Report. Carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, PRESTON, BANKS, ARNER, SCHMIDT, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried C. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT APPLICATION 90-03 - OAS INVESTORS Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, presented the Staff Report. Commissioner Preston directed staff to contact the State Historic Preservation Office regarding the National Register Nomination Information which has not been submitted by the applicant. Commissioner Preston emphasized that he was concerned because the applicant was not forthcoming with this information . Commissioner Banks requested clarification regarding the number of lights to be removed. HPC MINUTES -3- APRIL 5, 1,990 MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Banks, to approve Landmark Alteration Permit 90-03 with direction to staff obtain clarification as to the number of lights to be removed around the Thomas Winery. Carried by the following vote : ' AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, BANKS, ARNER, COOPER, SCHMIDT, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : BILLINGS --carried D. HERITAGE PARK HISTORIC PERSON WALKWAY Commissioner Haskvitz presented an oral staff report stating his desire to create an on-going list of historic people from the area to be used for an historic walkway and placed at Heritage Park. Commissioner Banks responded that she felt this was a good idea; however, she did not care for the idea of it becoming an on-going project because of the possibility of creating an effect similar to the "Hollywood Walk of Fame". Commissioner Preston suggested a walkway could be designed in decades of history, reserving blocks of space for specific ,time periods. He further explained that the Commission could nominate names from a former time period (i .e. , nominate names now for the 1950's or 1960's) so that the Commission would never be nominating current potentially significant people for the walkway to prevent the possibility of the list becoming a political issue. Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, suggested sending a letter to the Community Services Department requesting assignment of a sub-committee from their department to work with an HPC sub-committee to develop criteria for the walkway and bring it back to the HPC at a later date for consideration and budget planning. Commission Arner and Commissioner Haskvitz volunteered to be on the sub-committee for the walkway. Commissioner Banks responded that she wished to see this program work in conjunction with the Oral History Program the Commission is currently initiating, as the Oral History Program could gather information that could be merged with information for the Historic Walkway. Commissioner Cooper stated that she would suggest adding the Rancho Cucamonga Woman 's Club to the Historic Person Walkway list as it is probably the oldest organization in Rancho Cucamonga (originally organized in 1908) . HPC MINUTES -4- APRIL 5, 1990 , MOTION: Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Arner, to approve the concept of an Historic Person Walkway for Heritage Park and to form a sub-committee to work with a sub-committee from the Community Services Department to develop criteria for this walkway. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, ARNER, BANKS, COOPER, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried E. STATUS OF THE LANDMARK PLAQUE PROGRAM Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, presented the staff report. Commission concurred that they preferred the historic plaque concept presented on Exhibit C. Commission Cooper stated concern regarding the possibility of vandalism to the signs and that perhaps the signs should be mounted on the buildings. Mr. Henderson stated that staff would work on designing hardware to discourage vandalism as much as possible. MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Haskvitz, to approve the concept of Exhibit C, attached to the April 5, 1990 Staff Report, as a prototype for Landmark Signs within the City of Rancho Cucamonga. Carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, HASKVITZ, ARNER, COOPER, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried Commissioner Banks stated that she felt the Commission should set priorities for the sign placements. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested posting signs on properties first rather than historic trees. Commissioner Banks stated that she wanted the Commission to have the option of re-arranging the priority list as the Commission felt necessary. HPC MINUTES -5- APRIL 5, 1990 Mr. Henderson explained that Priority Two items would be on a voluntary basis and the base plaque would be made available to the property owner; the property owner would be paying for their detail plaque so it was possible that some of these signs could be installed prior to Priority One designations. Commissioner Banks stated she had a problem with Priority Three items requiring seismic retrofit properties and Mills Act properties to pay for a plaque. She further explained that she felt that this was an additional financial burden that these property owner's should not have, in addition to the fact that these property owner' s may not wish to draw attention to their homes. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Haskvitz , to approve the Priority List from the April 5 , 1990 Staff Report, with the amendment that Priority Three items, private properties, would be on a voluntary basis only; that houses would receive plaques before trees; and that the Sycamore Inn be added as a Priority Two item. Motion carried by the following vote : AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, HASKVITZ, ARNER, BANKS, COOPER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLING --carried NEW BUSINESS F. DETERMINATION OF THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE WELLS BARN Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, presented the Staff Report. Rita Salazar, (representative for L. E. Chanco, owner of Tract � , stated that she brought pictures of the barn for the Commission to view and that the barn was in poor shape. Mr. Henderson stated that the files did not show that this barn had ever been surveyed and that was one of the reasons it was before the Commission at this time. Mr. Henderson asked Ms. Salazar if some type of agreement had been made regarding the use of the siding material from the barn. Ms. Salazar replied that Tom Grahn, Assistant Planner, had asked for the old wood to be used for reconstruction of a barn in Etiwanda . Commissioner Banks stated that a request was made to use the siding in the reconstruction of the Chaffey-Garcia barn and that the barn would be constructed of new wood , using the siding for facing only on the reconstructed barn. HPC MINUTES -6- APRIL 5, 1990 MOTION: Moved by Haskvitz , seconded by Preston , to accept staff's recommendation to identify the barn and site as Surveyed Determined Insignificant due to the barn's deteriorated condition and lack of a definitive history. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, PRESTON, ARNER, COOPER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS --carried MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Arner, to send a letter to the property owners asking that the wood from the Wells Barn be donated for the reconstruction/rehabilitation of the Chaffey-Garcia Barn and that staff supervise the dismantling of the Wells Barn. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, ARNER, BANKS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS : NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried H. COMMEMORATION OF ROUTE 66 Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, presented the Staff Report. MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Preston, to approve the resolution encouraging the commemoration of Route 66 as a nationally significant highway as it was one of the longest and earliest transcontinental roadways in America and that Route 66 be preserved as an historic highway. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, PRESTON, ARNER, COOPER, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS : NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried HPC MINUTES -7- APRIL 5, 1990 DIRECTOR'S REPORTS No reports to present. COMMISSION BUSINESS Chairman Schmidt mentioned his trip with Larry Henderson and Melicent Arner to Santa Fe for the Quincentennial Planning Conference and the planning of activities to commemorate the 500 years since Columbus landed in America. He further stated that there was a joint committee forming through State Senator Mellow's office for the 1992 Quincentennial Commemoration of the Voyage of Christopher Columbus. Mr. Henderson asked if any of the Commissioners wished to attend the 15th Annual California Preservation Planning Conference in San Francisco. Chairman Schmidt stated he would check his calendar and the rest of the Commissioners stated they would not be able to attend. MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Arner, to recommend to Brad Buller, City Planner, sending Larry Henderson, as a representative for the Commission, to the 15th Annual California Preservation Planning Conference, April 25-29, 1990. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, ARNER, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS r --carried Commissioner Banks requested an update on the Lone Cypress tree. Jeff Gravel , Assistant Planner, responded that he had found an arborist to propagate the clippings from the Cypress tree and that it would take approximately 6-8 months for the clippings to take root. He further stated that he would request a maintenance supervisor to retrieve the clippings so the arborist could begin the process. Mr. Henderson asked what the Commission wished to do with the clippings once they did root. HPC MINUTES -8- APRIL 5, 1990 Commissioner Banks stated that she would like to see them planted in the proposed Elaina Park or another local park because the Cypress trees were the original wind break before the Eucalyptus trees were introduced into the area . She further stated she would like to see a press release on this or at least have some pictures taken. ANNOUNCEMENTS None PUBLIC COMMENTS No further public comments . ADJOURNMENT Historic Preservation Commission meeting adjourned at 9 :02 PM. Respectfully submitted , Shelley A. Petrs'lli Secretary HPC MINUTES -9- APRIL 5, 1990 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting March 1 , 1990 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7 :02 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road , Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS : PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz , Steven Preston , Bob Schmidt. COMMISSIONERS : ABSENT: NONE STAFF PRESENT: Nancy Fong, Senior Planner; Tom Grahn, Assistant Planner; Jeff Gravel , Assistant Planner; ' Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Lori Moore, Assistant Planner; Shelley Petrelli , Secretary; Alan Warren, Associate Planner. ADMINISTRATION OF OATH OF OFFICE TO COMMISSIONERS Mayor Stout performed the Administration of Oath of Office for Commissioners Billings, Cooper, and Preston, SELECTION OF NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Preston, unanimously carried 7-0-0, to re-nominate Chairman Schmidt for another term as Chairman. MOTION: 'Moved by Arner, seconded by Banks, unanimously carried 7-0-0, to re-nominate Commissioner Billings for another term as Vice Chairman. HPC MINUTES -1- MARCH 1 , 1990 APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Haskvitz , carried 6-0-0 (Commissioner Banks abstaining) to approve, as amended , the Historic Preservation Commission Minutes of February 1 , 1990. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. LANDMARK DESIGNATION 90-01 - ROD WRIGHT Jeff Gravel , Assistant Planner, presented the Staff Report Commissioner Banks stated that staff could contact Lawrence Mueller, on East Avenue, regarding additional information on the Stegmeier House. She further stated that Mr. Mueller was related to the Stegmeiers. Commissioner Cooper stated Mrs. Stegmeier spent her last years at Claremont Manor and that she had no children. The public hearing was opened. Rod Wright, 7050 Etiwanda Avenue, stated that he spoke with his neighbor, Hap Harn , sister-in-law to Mr. Mueller, and she said that Mr. Harn is willing to be interviewed regarding the house. He further stated that he plans to live in the house and to restore the house as originally as possible. Commissioner Preston questioned Section 3, Paragraph a, Standards for Historical Property, of the Mills Act (page A-10 in the Agenda) as to whether the Commission could specify certain architectural characteristics of a house and if the language in the agreement should be more specific for future use. Mr. Henderson commented that the previous examples used were museums, and therefore, not a comparable use in a private home situation. Commissioner Preston stated he felt the Commission could address this issue on individual homes as they came before the Commission. Commissioner Preston questioned Section 3, Paragraph b, that mentions the Office of Historic Preservation of the State Department of Parks and Recreation Rules and Regulations for Restoration and Rehabilitation and asked if there was a booklet or guidelines available from the State on these rules and regulations. Mr. Henderson said he would check on this matter before it went to City Council . Commissioner Preston stated he would appreciate it if the Commission could have a copy of these policies or documents for their information. HPC MINUTES -2- MARCH 1 , 1990 Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. MOTION: Moved by Banks, seconded by Arner, to recommend approval of Historic Landmark Designation for the Stegmeier House to the City Council with a revision to Section 1 of the Resolution stating "The Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission hereby makes the following findings in connection with the Staff Report and Exhibits dated (date of related Staff Report) ," and to incorporate this language into all future resolutions. Motion carried by the following vote : AYES: COMMISSIONERS : BANKS, ARNER, COOPER, PRESTON, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried B. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT APPLICATION 90-04 - HIX DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION Incorrectly listed on agenda as Landmark Alteration Permit Application 90-02 .) Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, presented the Staff Report. Commissioner Preston questioned whether the Planning Commission had received a submittal on the proposal from the applicant. Mr. Henderson stated it would be presented to Design Review next Thursday. Tom Grahn, Assistant Planner, stated that the staff had only seen the subdivision at this point. Commissioner Preston questioned if there would be a loss of parcels due to the redesigning of the street. He also stated concern that the fence treatment might be out of context with the house. Mr. Henderson stated that Condition 3 of the Resolution would provide that the applicant bring back to the Commission detailed plans for modifications for the site and structure prior to issuance of building permits . Commissioner Banks questioned what direction the front of the Lord House would face in the proposal . Mr. Henderson stated that the new side yard of the Lord House would line up with the front yards of the new houses to the east. Commissioner Haskvitz asked how significant the out structures were. HPC MINUTES -3- MARCH 1 , 1990 Mr. Henderson stated that previously the designation only applied to the Lord ' House. Commissioner Banks asked what the driveway access was for the proposal . Mr. Henderson stated that staff had looked at the possibility of keeping the south driveway on Hellman Avenue, putting a new driveway connection on the proposed street to the north , and having an L-shape configuration. Commissioner Banks questioned if the proposed layout on page B-7 of the agenda retains the garage. Mr. Henderson said the garage could remain but the old accessory structures would go. Commissioner Preston questioned if the Commission should add a condition to the Resolution requiring a deed restriction or a landscape agreement. Mr. Henderson commented that the compatibility of the land use was also in question and that those would be options for the Commission. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Bob Yoder, Hix Development Corporation, 437 South Cataract Avenue #2, San Dimas, California , stated his company wants to restore the outside of the house and preserve most of the landscaping in the front fruit grove. He commented that they want to sell the house to a private party and they were open to a maintenance agreement and fencing suggestions. He further stated they want to remove the flat shed and the hipped section that attaches to the shed , which they felt were additions, and they also want to restore the porch . Commissioner Banks questioned how many feet would be removed from the structure if both the flat shed and hipped section were removed . Mr. Yoder responded that approximately 19 feet altogether. Commissioner Banks stated she preferred the concept on page B-7 of the agenda which would remove the flat shed section, leave the garage in tact, and give driveway access to the house on the north side. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. MOTION: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Banks to accept Alternative C, of the Alternate Tract Map attachment to the March 1 , 1990 Staff Report (B-7) . Motion carried by the following vote : AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, BANKS, PRESTON, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, ARNER, HASKVITZ HPC MINUTES -4- MARCH 1 , 1990 NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Arner, to approve the Resolution recommending approval of Landmark Alteration Permit Application 90-04 amended as follows : Specify in Condition No. 1 that staff alternative, Alternative C (B-7) , be incorporated ; specify in Condition 3 that the Commission will review any fencing and architectural revisions ; and , add a Condition 4 that states the applicant shall provide the City with a detailed landscape maintenance agreement for the property, prepared to the satisfaction of the City Attorney and City Planner establishing minimum standards for landscape maintenance as well as a five year performance guarantee. Motion carried by the following, ` vote: AYES : COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, HASKVITZ, COOPER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried ' Mr. Henderson suggested the Commission send a representative regarding this project to the Design Review Committee meeting next Thursday at the Neighborhood Center at 6:00 PM. Commissioner Preston stated he would try to attend if his schedule permitted. Commissioner Banks stated she would like an opportunity to see the house. Mr. Henderson said that could be arranged. Commissioner Preston suggested asking the Planning Commission to try and ensure that the architecture of the subdivision be as compatible as possible. Mr. Henderson stated that the minutes would reflect his request. He further stated that he would forward that suggestion when Mr. Grahn and he attended the March 8, 1990, Design Review Committee Meeting. (Commissioner Billings left the meeting at 8:12 PM. ) Chairman Schmidt called for a five minute recess at 8:13 PM. The Commission reconvened at 8:18 PM. C. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT APPLICATION 90-03 - OAS INVESTORS HPC MINUTES -6- MARCH 1 , 1990 Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Preston asked what staff's position was on the "goose-neck" reflector lighting to illuminate signs on the wall shown on the latest set of plans . Nancy Fong, Senior Planner, stated that based on the January workshop comments, it was determined that the building should be highlighted as part of the activity center. Commissioner Preston commented that he was concerned that the "goose-neck" reflector design of lighting detracted from the historic context of the building. He further stated he felt there were other methods of illuminating the signs that would be more appropriate. Mr. Henderson 'stated that according to the Design Review Comments, a condition was placed that the light fixture on the roof eaves on the west elevation should be eliminated . Commissioner Preston then asked if. staff was in agreement regarding the placement of a large, round historical sign to be placed on Foothill Boulevard for the Winery Building. Ms . Fong stated she believed that the Design Review Committee would support such a sign , however, the final design had not been done and it still had to come before Design Review Committee for approval . ' Commissioner Preston asked for additional clarification during the' public hearing on the speculative users for the building and the use of the second floor skylights and windows breaking into the roofline of the building. Mr. Henderson stated that the skylights had been limited to two and that the space was now to be used for storage rather than leasing it to tenants . He further stated that the applicant wants to proceed with the changing and leveling of the floor elevation at the eastern end of the building which would include minor modifications to the structure consisting of raising the floor elevation and making it level by bringing it up with sand and placing a concrete slab on top of the sand to maintain historical context. The applicant will return with the Tenant Improvement Plan at such a time as they have tenants for this building. Commissioner Preston asked if staff was supportive of this plan. Mr. Henderson stated that this was flagged at the last meeting because the Historic Preservation Commission had a concern with it but that he didn 't believe it was a problem for the Planning Commission or Current Planning Staff. Commissioner Preston stated he understood that the Winery Building was proposed to the Department of Interior to be listed as a National Historical Landmark but the application declined . Commissioner Preston questioned whether staff had received the notice of rejection from the architect. HPC MINUTES -6- MARCH 1 , 1.990 Mr. Henderson stated that information had been requested but was not yet ' received . Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. John Loomis, 30th Street Architects , 2821 Newport Blvd . , Newport Beach, California , stated that he wished to address the three key areas Mr. Henderson mentioned in his staff report. He stated that to address the concern regarding multiple users, he wished to bring to the Commission ' s attention that one tenant has been selected thus far for the project, a restaurant, that will occupy approximately fifty percent of the existing building. Secondly, he wanted to discuss the shell rehabilitation improvements ; specifically seismic improvements and exterior rehabilitation treatment so they might obtain approval to begin the shell work and bring back the tenant improvement drawings at a later date when they have other perspective tenants. He suggested three alternatives regarding screening the roof mounted equipment : 1 . Paint in place to match adjacent roof color; 2 . Provide a small screen structure of wood louvers painted to match the roof; 3. Use an historic form such as an agricultural gable or a dormer. Mr. Loomis further stated that in regards to the artifact plan, small artifacts, such as small hand tools, photos, and documents would be used as decor in the restaurant and they would bring the design back with the tenant improvement plan to the next meeting; the exterior artifacts plan has not been designed yet but they would accept a condition with approval to also bring 1 that information back to the next meeting. He commented that they felt the lighting to illuminate the signs was appropriate as they are considered "Industrial Agricultural " and traditional in this type of building. He stated that they wished to change the floor level (as Mr. Henderson had mentioned earlier) to facilitate handicapped access and circulation in the building and that they wanted to do this at the same time that they did the work on the shell of the building. He stated that he had the information Commissioner Preston asked about earlier regarding the National Register Nomination Form, correspondence, appeal to the Department of Interior and the rejection form sent and he would be pleased to supply it to the Commission. Commissioner Banks asked if there was a reason why any additional lighting couldn 't be placed under the eaves shining down on the signs . Mr. Loomis stated that the space allowed in eaves is tight and the flood lighting is not sufficient to illuminate the signs but that they were open for suggestions. Commissioner Banks asked if it would be possible to mount the lights on the trellis to keep the building facade from looking too cluttered. Mr. Loomis stated that they would consider some other type of additional lighting or the possibility of mounting lighting on the trellis . Commissioner Banks stated that she had concerns regarding the green coloring of the lights in the parking lot. She commented that she preferred the lights in the parking lot be painted black. HPC MINUTES -7- MARCH 1 , 1990 Commissioner Preston stated that the concern was generally for light fixtures in the area of the building. ' John Petry, 2020 Altura , Corona del Mar, California (owner of the Winery) stated that the color the parking lot lights are .painted now are colors requested in the Design Review process and he is willing to comply by painting the lights another color but he would appreciate it if the Commissions and Committees would agree first. Commissioner Banks asked if drawings were available of the dormer screening for the roof mounted equipment. Mr. Loomis responded affirmatively. Commissioner Cooper recalled a Highway Bell in front of the Winery at one time and she wondered if it was among the artifacts. Mr. Loomis stated he also remembered the Kings Highway Bell but he did not think it was among the artifacts . Commissioner Cooper stated she would like to have a bell in front of the Winery again . Commissioner Arner stated the bells originally came from the Automobile Club (AAA) and that there is still one on Foothill Boulevard at Rochester Avenue in Etiwanda. ' Mr. Loomis said he would check into getting a bell . Commissioner Haskvitz stated he had concerns regarding the exposure of the artifacts. Mr. Loomis stated that Saddleback Plaza in Orange County, on El Toro Road, east of the San Diego Freeway, used this plan for displaying artifacts very successfully. Mr. Henderson asked when the artifacts plan could actually be provided to the Commission . Mr. Petry responded that OAS will be setting up a meeting for the walkway, and other plans , for the users of the Winery and Still Building. The plans will come back primarily through the tenant improvement package for the bar and office space. Commissioner Banks asked if the exterior plan could be moved on now. Mr. Petry responded yes, they are willing to enter into a performance agreement with the City, subject to the artifacts reasonably fitting in with the construction . He also mentioned that there was a possibility of working together to use some artifacts ( i .e. , casks) in other areas of the City. Mr. Loomis stated that the developer realizes that the plan needs work, but HPC MINUTES -8- MARCH 1 , 1990 they hope the Commission can understand the concept, especially the education aspect, so they could get moving on it. Mr. Henderson stated that his understanding is that the developer would be able to deal with a condition that stated, "The detailed artifacts placement/maintenance plan would be approved prior to tenant improvement plans being accepted by the City." Mr. Loomis stated that their intent is to start the shell work as soon as possible. The tenant improvement plan in the preliminary design set will be coming along soon , so it is to their advantage to move all components along together and consequently, they would be open to conditions set by the Commission to get things moving. Mr. Petry commented it is difficult to market the facility to potential users as it appears presently and that the developer is additionally concerned with the seismic condition of the facility. Mr. Loomis explained the changes in the elevations stating that they had reduced the number of openings, both doors and windows . He stated that on the elevations facing south , the size of the windows were reduced and the amount of windows were reduced by two-thirds to a total of five windows ; on the backside they have reduced the total amount of skylights to two which open to the lower portion of the building since there is no longer a second floor at that location ; the dormer with second floor access has been eliminated since 1 the second floor will only be used for storage now. Mr. Henderson stated that the Planning Commission left the opportunity open for the Historic Preservation Commission to add conditions that the Historic Preservation Commission deemed important. He further mentioned that the plans still had to go before Planning Commission for approval . MOTION: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Preston, to accept the concept approval of the shell treatment plan as presented , carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS : COOPER, PRESTON, BANKS, SCHMIDT, ARNER, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried Commissioner Preston stated that the Staff Report made reference to wall signs exceeding code requirements and he questioned if that was still the case. Ms. Fong stated that the issue has been resolved. Commissioner Preston asked if the current plans included toning down the color of the Still sign and giving an acid bath to the roof. Mr. Loomis stated that they have agreed to do the acid bath and that they HPC MINUTES -9- MARCH 1 , 1990 would further tone down the sign color. Commissioner Preston asked if the acid bath was reflected on the plans or if was it a verbal agreement. Mr. Loomis stated it was a verbal agreement but they would be happy to entertain a condition. Commissioner Banks stated that she was in favor of the dormer design for the roof mounted equipment. Mr. Henderson stated he understood that the Commission wished to add two conditions to the resolution : 1 ) Submission to, and approval from, the Historic Preservation Commission, of a detailed artifacts plan which includes details concerning location installation and maintenance of the artifact plan prior to any tenant improvement plans to the building ; 2) Submission to, and approval of, detailed equipment screening consisting of the concept of a dormer to be approved prior to the approval of any tenant improvement for the Knollwood Restaurant or the restaurant portion of the building. Commissioner Banks stated that a new resolution would be required to approve the Landmark Alteration Permit because it didn 't pertain to the outside shell work. Commissioner Preston stated he wanted the "goose-neck" lighting eliminated, with substitute lighting consisting of concealed lighting band or flood lights , under the eaves . Commissioner Banks stated that the lighting could possibly even be attached to the trellis. Commissioner Preston asked if the recommendation on the condition for the specific artifact plan, provided prior to, or with , the tenant improvement plan, including the interpretive signage program, and if not, he would like that condition to be added . He further stated that he was concerned about the landscape plant palette in that some of the ornamentals being used on the project may draw attention away from the historic essence of the building. Commissioner Banks stated that they felt the Crape Myrtle trees being in bloom would draw your attention, rather than the building. Meg Roozen, (Landscape Architect) Thirtieth Street Architects, 2821 Newport Boulevard, Newport Beach, California, stated that the landscaping in front of the building has been held to a minimum and on the south side in front of the adobe building there is only one landscape strip with all low plantings consisting of White Rock Roses, Getonia Asters, Salvia , Hebe and Lantana . Commissioner Preston stated the Commission 's idea was to keep the plantings as close to what you would find during that time period (1839) as possible, and keep them to a minimum so as not to draw attention from the building. He asked how many changes had been made as a result of the previous joint ' meeting. HPC MINUTES -10- MARCH 1 , 1990 Ms. Roozen stated they had made one set of changes , eliminating the yuccas. Commissioner Preston questioned how it had been changed to reflect the wishes of the Historic Preservation Commission. Ms . Fong stated that Design Review Committee preferred not to see the yucca and that they wanted more lush drought resistant plants . Commissioner Preston stated he was still more concerned with historical character rather than with ornamental aspect. Ms. Fong stated that the Sycamores being provided are consistent with the heritage and that the Planning Commission is open to recommendations regarding the ground cover. Commissioner Preston asked if the proposed monument sign that was not in compliance with code had been resolved . Ms. Fong stated that Design Review Committee could justify the sign because the building is an historical building but that the design had not been finalized yet and still needed to be submitted to the Planning Commission. Commissioner Preston summarized four additional issues to be identified in addition to the two Mr. Henderson previously stated : 1 ) Treatment of the light fixtures , to minimize their impact, including interpretive signage, in the condition on the artifact plan as determined by Planning Commission ; 2) Revise the landscape plant palette to be more consistent with the heritage of the Winery and more appropriate in terms of context, and to have a statement of support from the Historic Preservation Commission that the monument sign be similar to the sign that was on the Boulevard for many 'years ; 3) Add an E1 Camino. Real Sign if Historic Preservation Commission decides they want it; 4) Tie down the details on the acid bath and toning down the color on the Still Building; 5) Type of Street Furniture Commissioner Banks stated that she wished to add a condition that they would agree to repaint in the parking lights black instead of bronze. Commissioner Cooper stated that she wanted to see the Rains House directional sign put back at the corner of Foothill and Vineyard because it is difficult to find the Rains House without it. Commissioner Preston asked for a continuance on this item to ensure the details are added to the plans and to get the recommended language correct for the Resolution . Mr. Loomis stated that he understood the Commission 's concerns but most of the changes are cosmetic in nature and requested that the Commission conditionally approve the project tonight so it could go to Planning Commission within the next couple of weeks. HPC MINUTES -11- MARCH 1 , 1990 Mr. Henderson suggested the Commission approve the project with comments, indicating that the comments are to come back to the next meeting under old business, and to bring back the resolution with detailed wording. He further stated that this enables the applicant to get his concept approved , and, the applicant understands from the minutes, what he needs to do; also, the Commission would be able to see the comments prior to the meeting and they would be able to see if they meet with the Commission' s approval . The Commissioners concurred with this idea. Commissioner Banks stated she felt the attached benches were not indicative of the historical period . Commissioner Preston stated he preferred "Mission Style" benches and tables, more reflective of this time period . Mr. Petry stated that they shall reflect in their tenant . improvement package that the Commission would like to see heavy wood , Mexican style benchs and tables. Mr. Henderson stated that if the Commission accepts approving and bringing back the resolution tonight, staff will send the applicant a copy so he can return to the next meeting if their are wording problems. Commissioner Preston summarized that this would give conceptual approval to the applicant to prepare a Planning Commission package but the final action will be taken when the Historic Preservation Commission sees the resolution. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Haskvitz , conceptual approval of the Landmark Alteration Permit for Thomas Winery, incorporating the revised conditions of approval , suggested by staff and the Commission members, and specifying that staff draft a Resolution incorporating both revised findings and revised conditions, and return it to the Historic Preservation Commission .at its next meeting with the understanding that this is a conceptual approval only. Motion carried by the following vote : AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, HASKVITZ, COOPER, BANKS, SCHMIDT, ARNER NOES : COMMISSIONERS : NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried OLD BUSINESS D. POTENTIAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION FOR MEL TINKER'S TRUCK REPAIR MOTION: Moved by Preston , seconded by Banks , to approve designation of the Mel Tinker Truck Repair as Potential Local Landmark. Motion carried by the following vote : HPC MINUTES -12- MARCH 1 , 1990 AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, BANKS, COOPER, SCHMIDT, ARNER, HASKVITZ ' NOES : COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT. COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried NEW BUSINESS E. NEW STREET NAME FOR ROCHESTER AVENUE FOR HISTORIC LIST Alan Warren, Associate Planner, presented the Staff Report. Commissioner Cooper suggested the name Smith for historical significance as Captain Smith owned property on Rochester Avenue and the Smith Brothers had a store on Rochester Avenue. Mr. Bob Hickcox , former Historic Preservation Commissioner, suggested the use of names from early pioneer settler's in the community including Smith, Aimee, Aggazzotti , Colombero , Lopez , LaFourcade, Van Fleet. Commissioner Banks suggested names to be used that were significant to the ' area where the street is located to include Aggazzotti , Campanella , Smith , Masi , Aimee, Lopez and LaFourcade, and Van Fleet. F. PRESENTATION BY CAROL LaFOURCADE CONCERNING HISTORIC BACKGROUND OF THE LaFOURCADE STORE A.K.A. COWGIRL THEATER LOCATED AT 11871 FOOTHILL BOULEVARD Carol LaFourcade, 61 Sparrow Court, Redlands, California , stated the her grandfather, John B. LaFourcade, came to the area and started his ranch in 1892 at which time he had to haul the water down from the mountains for irrigation purposes. She further stated that her grandfather drilled for and brought water into the valley in the early 1900' s. She stated that she believes the current building was once the raisin and grape packing building, built in 1918; added later was a gas station, and two bunkhouses for the workers. Commissioner Arner commented that she had read an article in a book called The Brown History of San Bernardino that implied that John LaFourcade was the first dry grape farmer in the area . Ms. LaFourcade stated that was true; before he drilled and irrigated for water he brought it down from the mountains in barrels. She further stated that her grandfather left the area in the 1940's. MOTION: Moved by Haskvitz , seconded by Banks to stress the name LaFourcade for the renaming of the Rochester Avenue south of Foothill . Motion carried by the following vote : HPC MINUTES -13- MARCH 1 , 1990 AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, BANKS, COOPER, PRESTON, SCHMIDT, ARNER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ' ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried G. DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR HOUSE AT 8430 ARCHIBALD Jeff Gravel , Assistant Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Arner stated that the Moffet family still owned the house . Mr. Gravel stated that was correct. MOTION: Moved by Preston , seconded by Banks, to identify the property as Survey Determined Insignificant and approve the demolition of the structure . Motion carried by the following vote. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, BANKS, COOPER, SCHMIDT, ARNER, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS ' --carried H. HERITAGE PARK HISTORIC PERSON WALKWAY Commissioner Haskvitz requested to table this item to the next Historic Preservation Commission meeting because he was unable to obtain the photos from Mr. Tolstoy in time for this meeting. It was the concensus of the Commission to table the item to the next scheduled Historic Preservation Commission meeting. I. STATUS REPORT ON CYPRESS TREE LOCATED NEAR THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF BASELINE AND ETIWANDA Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, presented the Staff Report. Commissioner Banks stated that the Cypress trees were planted in Etiwanda some time before 1916 as windbreaks. She further stated that she had spoken to arborist, Alden Kelly, and that staff could check with him regarding possible propagation of the seeds. HPC MINUTES -14- MARCH 1 , 1990 Mr. Henderson stated he would check into this possibility. J. STATUS OF LANDMARK PLAQUE PROGRAM Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, requested postponing this item until the next meeting. The Commission concurred to table this item to the next Historic Preservation Commission meeting. ANNOUNCEMENTS Commissioner Arner announced that Chairman Schmidt, Mr. Henderson and herself would be attending the Quincentenn'ial Planning Conference March 12-14 in Santa Fe, New Mexico. PUBLIC COMMENTS Lori Moore, Assistant Planner, suggested not using redwood for the benches as there is a possibility of redwood splinters causing infections. ADJOURNMENT ' The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 10:20 PM. Respectfully submitted, -C t` Shelley Petrelli Secretary HPC MINUTES -15- MARCH 1 , 1990 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES Adjourned Meeting March 1, 1990 Joint Workshop Chairman Schmidt called the joint meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Planning Commission and Historic Preservation Commission to order at 5:30 P .M. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. ROLL CALL HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONERS : PRESENT : Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks , Gene Billings , Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Steve Preston, Bob Schmidt ABSENT: NONE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS : PRESENT : Suzanne Chitiea, Peter Tolstoy, ABSENT: David Blakesley, Larry McNiel , Betsy Weinberger STAFF PRESENT: Brad Buller, City Planner; Nancy Fong, Senior Planner; Tom Grahn, Assistant Planner; Jeff Gravel , Assistant Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Otto Kroutil , Deputy City Planner; Lori Moore, Assistant Planner; Shelley Petrelli , Senior Office Assistant; Gail Sanchez, Planning Commission Secretary; Alan Warren, Associate Planner Also present was Gina Vasquez, Daily Report. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, introduced the Commissioners and stated that the purpose of the meeting was to look at what had been done in the past with regard to joint processing of projects and to consider the future. Commissioner Tolstoy felt that both the Historic Preservation Commission and the Planning Commission have the same thoughts regarding preservation, and he said he would like to see more diligence in the area. Commissioner Banks stated that more historic structures are being saved, but she felt diligence is still required. She felt the City should find a place to move historic homes in order to save them. She requested that more concern be given to the development surrounding historic structures to avoid isolating the structures. She felt historic structures should be integrated into the .surrounding areas. Commissioner Chitiea stated the Planning Commission needs to hear about the thinking of the Historic Preservation Commission regarding historic structures. She wanted to know if the Historic Preservation Commission feels it is important to preserve the location in addition to the architectural structure. Commissioner Haskvitz felt that a plan of action should be initiated to move some of the historic structures which will be demolished when the freeway is constructed. Commissioner Chitiea asked if the Historic Preservation Commission favored a Heritage Square concept. Commissioner Tolstoy stated that concept was discussed at one time and Joe DiIorio had proposed giving money to Chaffey College to create such an area, but the plans did not materialize. He hoped another area could be found. Commissioner Banks asked if the Planning Commission could suggest such an area. Commissioner Tolstoy stated that during the first General Plan process a suggestion was made that downtown Alta Loma could be used for an historical interest area. He felt perhaps an historical village could be started in that area around the railroad station in Etiwanda. ' Commissioner Preston stated the City should be careful that they do not create a "cutesey" ghetto. He felt an assemblage of transplanted homes would not feel like a real neighborhood and thought it would be better to have the historical homes remain part of a real neighborhood. Commissioner Banks agreed that it is always preferable to have the historical homes remain part of a neighborhood, but in actuality that has not happened. She said the Commissions cannot regulate the amount of land surrounding historical homes and she would rather see the houses moved than have them fenced off within new development. Commissioner Tolstoy stated that the Planning Commission cannot tell a developer they cannot develop land they own which surrounds an historical house. Commissioner Chitiea stated that sometimes historical homes are already located in areas with substantial development adjacent. Commissioner Banks asked if it would not be possible for the surrounding homes to open up their yards toward the historical homes instead of blocking them off with fencing. She felt perhaps shrubs could be utilized to make the surroundings more compatible. HPC and Planning Workshop Minutes -2- March 1 , 1990 Commissioner Preston felt landscaping options should be considered. He felt it would not be unreasonable to tell a developer they needed to lower density and perhaps chain link fencing could be used with landscaping if restrictions were placed on the property to allow the landscaping to grow. Brad Buller, City Planner, suggested that some historical structures may end up being used under adaptive reuse conditions. Commissioner Banks felt that if historical structures were moved to a block of land such as by the railroad track, more than one house should be moved, and some new development should also be integrated into the area. She did not want just a village of historical homes. Commissioner Preston felt it is important not to view the historical homes merely as museum pieces, but they should be lived in or used for some type of office, professional , or retail use. Commissioner Chitiea felt it is important not to destroy the neighborhood and that landscaping is important to preserve the essence. Commissioner Cooper stated that the Christmas House was donated to the San Bernardino County Museum Society before the City was incorporated. She said the Society in turn sold it to its present owners. She suggested a block south of the Santa Fe Railroad by Archibald be preserved because it has a lot of little houses that were built in the twenties and thirties. ' Commissioner Banks felt perhaps a district could be recognized as historically significant as a group. Commissioner Preston stated there are only limited funds available and the Commission should determine if it would be most beneficial to allocate the money toward saving neighborhoods or buildings only. Commissioner Cooper stated there is currently a house on Archibald that will soon be lost. Mr. Buller asked the Commissioners to advise staff if they know of successful historic preservation efforts in other cities. He stated there are some success stories of mixing historical homes in industrial areas and it is important to see other examples of successful preservation and integration. Commissioner Banks stated that the Historical Preservation Commission is open to adaptive reuse. She felt historical structures should be preserved for the benefit of the entire City, not just a private owner. She said she has been working with the owners of the Minor House to open it as a business. Mr. Buller felt the City could find ways to economically encourage adaptive reuse. Commissioner Tolstoy stated he would like the Historic Preservation Commission to identify neighborhoods that need General Plan recognition. He felt that ' would not cost a lot of money, mostly time. HPC and Planning Workshop Minutes -3- March 1 , 1990 Commissioner Banks felt it did not need to cost a lot of money to encourage adaptive reuse or to identify neighborhoods. Commissioner Chitiea felt that as specific neighborhoods are identified perhaps Redevelopment Agency funds could be utilized to help the neighborhoods revitalize on their own. Commissioner Banks stated that the National Trust Conference in Pasadena recognized Riverside as doing the best job of preserving homes from all eras. Commissioner Haskvitz asked what the Planning Commission approves when reviewing shopping centers. Commissioner Chitiea stated the Planning Commission reviews everything including site plan, orientation, and design. Commissioner Tolstoy added that they also review how the center will fit into the surrounding neighborhood. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested that perhaps developers could use a significant historical house or building that has already been lost as a basis for a design theme. Commissioner Tolstoy stated that when the Etiwanda Specific Plan was adopted, such things as front porches, open yards, and rock curbs were considered, and some of those features were adopted into the plan in order to retain a sense of the old Etiwanda. He felt the development has successfully integrated , those features. Commissioner Chitiea suggested showing photographs of historical structures to architects early in the development process. Commissioner Banks stated that the Terra Vista Towne Center and the Mission Winery Center successfully carried out architectural themes.. Commissioner Chitiea stated that working together makes a big difference. Commissioner Banks stated that after visiting other cities she remembers the historical structures , not the modern ones. Commissioner Haskvitz stated there is nothing to honor Route 66. Mr. Buller stated the City had recently received received a letter from a committee trying to recognize Route 66 as an historical corridor and to revitalize it as a commercial area and Community Development Director Rick Gomez will be the liaison to that committee. He said Mr. Gomez will be reporting to the City Council on the activities of the committee. Commissioner Haskvitz felt Route 66 could be a great tourist attraction. H - -PC and Planning Workshop Minutes 4 March 1, 1990 Commissioner Chitiea expressed concern that the Foothill Boulevard Specific Plan be a guide to any future design proposals regarding Route 66. Otto Kroutil , Deputy City Planner, stated- the Commissions need to be careful that they do not try to apply architectural styles that do not work for the type of building or activity. Commissioner Banks felt the style of the shopping center at Foothill and Archibald looks out of character. Mr. Kroutil stated that center was approved prior to the General Plan adoption. He stated that national chain stores have a pre-set floor plan and that only the exterior of the building can be changed. He felt it is important that the buildings are functional in concept. Mr. Buller stated that the Planning Commission and Historic Preservation Commission would be working more closely together during the next 18 months. He said that the City has been approached regarding development surrounding the Beverly Hills House. He said the City is working toward moving the Ledig House to a site by the Neighborhood Center and the building will be used to house City staff. He indicated the City has also received a proposal for the area around the Sycamore Inn and that current plans call for creation of a courtyard surrounding the Sycamore Inn. He stated the Historic Preservation Commission and Planning Commission would be meeting to review proposals. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 6:55 P.M. to the regularly scheduled meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission. Respectfully submitted, Gail Sanchez Secretary HPC and Planning Workshop Minutes -5- March 1 , 1990 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA ' HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting February 1 , 1990 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7 :00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road , Rancho Cucamonga, California . Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS : PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz , Steven Preston , Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS : ABSENT: NONE STAFF PRESENT: Jerry Grant, Building Official , Jeff Gravel , Assistant Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Cathy Morris, Planning Technician, Cindy Norris, Associate Planner; Shelley Petrelli , Secretary ADMINISTRATION OF OATH OF OFFICE TO COMMISSIONERS Postponed until the next scheduled Historic Preservation Meeting . APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION: Moved by Banks , seconded by Haskvitz , unanimously carried, to approve the Historic Preservation Commission minutes and the Joint Planning Commission and Historic Preservation Commission minutes of January 4 , 1990 and approve as amended the Joint City Council and Historic Preservation minutes of January 9, 1990. COMMISSION BUSINESS A. CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION OF COMMENDATION FOR ARLENE BANKS B. PRESENTATION OF RESOLUTION OF COMMENDATION Chairman Schmidt presented Arlene Banks with the Resolution of Commendation for her work with the City and Historic Preservation Commission. HPC MINUTES -1- FEBRUARY 1 , 1990 PUBLIC HEARING C. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT APPLICATION 90-01 - CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the Public Hearing. Commissioner Preston asked if there would be the addition of a plaque describing the history and location of the site. Mr. Henderson responded that there were no plans to do that at this time. He also stated that the City Council has asked that an installation ceremony take place. Commissioner Banks questioned why only the names of Vietnam veterans killed in action were being added rather than all Vietnam veterans from this area who served during the war. Mr. Henderson stated that these were the only names found so far but the Department of Defense could be contacted to find names of veterans who served from this area . Chairman Schmidt closed the Public Hearing. MOTION: Moved by Billings, seconded by Banks to approve Landmark Alteration Permit 90-01 and for staff to attempt to obtain names of veterans who served in the Vietnam War and lived in the Alta Loma area at the time and add those names to the list. Motion carried by the following vote : AYES: COMMISSIONERS : ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : NONE --carried MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Arner to request additional financing in next year's budget to install a plaque relating the history of the Honor Roll . Motion carried by the following vote : AYES: COMMISSIONERS : ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS : NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : NONE ' --carried HPC MINUTES -2- FEBRUARY 1 , 1990 Commissioner Cooper requested that the Sycamore Inn also receive a plaque ' describing it as a Historical Landmark. Mr. Henderson suggested adding this request to next month ' s agenda . Commissioner Banks requested the Commission consider all of the City's Historical Landmarks and determine which ones should have a descriptive designation at the next Historic Preservation Commission meeting. OLD BUSINESS D. CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION RELATIVE TO THE DRAFT DPR 523 SURVEYS COMPLETED ON PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED UNREINFORCED MASONRY BUILDINGS Lynn Merrill , Management Sciences Applications, Inc . , 123 East 9th Street, Suite 204, Upland California , presented an oral report. Commissioner Banks stated that she wished to take exception to Mr. Merrill 's opinion that a winery building needs to be architecturally attractive in order to be considered historically significant. Mr. Merrill responded that the Secretary of the Interior' s Standards were used in making determinations. He further stated that specifically according to these standards, a building should to be exemplary in nature, retain its integrity or be associated with significant events and he did not feel that was the case for some of these buildings . Commissioner Preston questioned what type of permit search was done on the buildings . Mr. Merrill responded that the County building records were checked however prior to 1955 these records were located at the field offices and the name of the owner would have to be known to check on these records . He further stated that the original color slides were used to determine the time the buildings were built. Commissioner Preston stated that he felt the State Department Parks and Recreation forms (DPR 523) for each building should be completed prior to the Commission voting on each building designation . The Commission concurred . ETIWANDA AUTO REPAIR Commissioner Cooper asked who built the Etiwanda Auto Repair building. Mr. Merrill stated his research indicated that the Ethel Gidners had constructed it. ' Commissioner Banks stated that historically the building was considered the Harne's Garage. HPC MINUTES -3- FEBRUARY 1 , 1990 MOTION by Cooper, seconded by Preston , unanimously carried 7-0, to designate the Etiwanda Auto Repair a Potential Local Landmark and to indicate on the DPR ' 523 form that the building was locally known as Harne ' s Garage. LA PALOMA MARKET Commissioner Cooper gave a brief background on the market stating that it was originally Thompson ' s Barber Shop and Russell Hoffman ' s market. MOTION by Cooper, seconded by Billings, unanimously carried 7-0, to designate the La Pa Loma Market a Potential Local Landmark. LA CHATEAU MARKET MOTION by Preston , seconded by Arner, unanimously carried 7-0, to designate the La Chateau Market a Potential Local landmark. FUNCO BUILDING Commissioner Arner stated that on the southwest corner, in 1948 and 1951 there was a cannery at the location called K & R Fruit Products . MOTION by Arner, seconded by Banks, failed 2-5 , to designate the FUNCO building a Potential Local Landmark. ' Commission consensus was to designate the FUNCO building Surveyed Undetermined Significance. CASK & CLEAVER MOTION by Cooper, seconded by Haskvitz , unanimously carried 7-0, to designate the Cask & Cleaver a Potential Local Landmark. FIRST ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH Mr. Henderson questioned if there was a historic name attached to the building. Commissioners concurred that the term "unknown" should be placed on the DPR 523 form for the historic name. MOTION by Preston , seconded by Arner, unanimously carried 7-0, to designate the First Assembly of God Church a Potential Landmark . 1 HPC MINUTES -4- FEBRUARY 1 , 1990 T & D INSTALLATIONS MOTION by Banks, seconded by Haskvitz , unanimously carried 7-0, to designate T & D Installation Surveyed Determined Insignificant. SUNSHINE FOODS EGG RANCH Commissioner Cooper stated she felt that Commissioner Arner should research the background of the building through the records of the old town of Marquette !was located by Upland) at the Huntington Library to see if the origin of this building could be determined . Mr. Merrill stated that the building was built about 1947, and that there probably be no association with the town. He further mentioned that the building had been added on to and it was difficult to determine what was original . Commissioner Arner stated that she felt the first part of the building looked as if it were the new part. Mr. Merrill responded that the street had been widened and much of the frontage had been lost. MOTION by Banks, seconded by Preston, unanimously carried 7-0, to designate the Sunshine Foods Egg Ranch Surveyed Determined Insignificant. ' MEL TINKER TRUCK REPAIR Commissioner Banks stated that she felt that the winery industry history was critical to this area and heritage of any former winery should be identified and preserved. She further stated that this was the Etivista Winery. MOTION by Cooper, seconded by Haskvitz, failed 3-4 , to designate Mel Tinker Truck Repair Surveyed Determined Insignificant. MOTION by Banks, seconded by Arner, failed 3-4, to designate Mel Tinker Truck Repair a Potential Local Landmark . MOTION by Preston, to designate Mel Tinker Truck Repair Surveyed Undetermined Significance, failed for lack of seconded . MOTION by Haskvitz , seconded by Arner, unanimously carried 7-0, to table this item until the next scheduled meeting. HPC MINUTES -5- FEBRUARY 1 , 1990 BORG MANUFACTURING Commissioner Banks stated that this building was also a winery, the Campinella Winery and that the Campinella family built it. MOTION by Banks, seconded by Preston,, unanimously carried 7-0, to designate the Borg Manufacturing building a Potential Local Landmark. Mr. Merrill pointed out that there were five structures on this site and of those structures there are only two that warrant the Potential Local Landmark designation. He further stated that Structure No. 5 is a recently constructed corrugated metal building and Structures No. 1 and 2 are former residences. Structure No. 3 and 4 appear to be the only structures that should have the Potential Local Landmark designation . MOTION by Banks, seconded by Preston, unanimously carried 7-0, to limit the Potential Local Landmark designation to buildings No. 3 and No 4 for the Borg Manufacturing building. LIBERTY FINANCIAL Commissioner Haskvitz stated he felt this building had significance because it was built by Klusman . Commissioner Banks stated she felt the building had been so gravely altered 1 that she didn ' t think it had great significance. She also mentioned that Historic Preservation Commission had been directed by City Council policy not to designate a building a landmark without owner approval and that there is no owner approval and there never would be. MOTION by Hasvitz , seconded by Banks , unanimously carried 7-0, to designate the Liberty Financial building Surveyed Determined Insignificant. MOTION by Preston , seconded by Banks , unanimously carried 7-0, to accept surveys provided by Lynn Merrill as amended by the Commission, and ask that the form be updated to show zoning status, threats to property, directions from which photographs were taken, the approximate location of buildings on sites that contain more than one structure and to direct staff to send all the Potential Local Landmarks to the State. E. CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION ON THE REVISED DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR UNREINFORCED MASONRY BUILDINGS Cindy Norris, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Jerry Grant, Building Official , presented additional changes to the Ordinance. He stated that in the new draft there was a reference to "essential buildings" and there are none in the survey. He further stated there was reference to a time extension if wall anchors were to be installed ; he changed that to reflect a time extension for all buildings and eliminated HPC MINUTES -5- FEBRUARY 1 , 1990 Ile portion regarding buildings with wall anchors , with a total of three years to complete construction. He stated that references to a "building" was changed to reflect if it was considered an "historical building" . Commissioner Banks made a reference to Section 15 .42.090, paragraph G stating that documents do not need to be approved for income tax credits only the age of the building must be proven. MOTION by Banks , second by Preston to accept and recommend to City Council the revised draft of the Unreinforced Masonry Building Ordinance, at least the portions that pertain Historic Preservation. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS : ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried F. REQUEST FOR CORRECTIONS OF LIST OF DESIGNATED AND POTENTIAL HISTORIC SITES ' Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, stated that updating this list would be an ongoing project and that the computer system would be updated and copies would be made for Building & Safety, Engineering and Planning departments' use. Commissioner Banks stated she would prefer this be an informal process of making a phone call if the Commission found anything but if changes were to be made, the changes should come before the Commission at that time. Commissioner Cooper stated that the Christmas House was known as the Whitson House from 1920 until 1977. Commissioners concurred that this should be listed as Whitson/Christmas House. NEW BUSINESS G. CONSIDERATION OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT APPLICATION FUNDS Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, presented Mark McCollom, the new City consultant from Wildan and Associates to answer questions regarding the use of Community Development Block Grant Funds relating to potential Historic Preservation Commission projects . Commissioner Banks asked what categories could be considered for allocating Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) funds for restoration of an historic house. HPC MINUTES -7- FEBRUARY 1 , 1990 Mr. McCollom stated that the basic reasons to qualify for funds would be to either improve living conditions of low income households and or to remove blighting influences in target areas . He further stated that these funds could also be available for an historic property used for a Senior Citizens ' Center or a Community facility used primarily for low income persons. Commissioner Arner asked if this was also the case to move an historic house. Mr. McCollom stated it would depend on the what the site would be used for and that the funds were designed more specifically for preservation and rehabilitation. Commissioner Preston asked for an explanation of an adaptive re-use program under the economic development objectives . Mr. McCollom stated that this referred to either retaining or creating jobs for low income people. Commissioner Preston asked if historic preservation planning, in a target area , qualified as a low income. Mr. McCollom said it would if it would to alleviate blighting conditions. Commissioner Preston questioned if it was feasible to combine Agency and CDBG funds to leverage the amount of money available for projects. ' Mr. Henderson responded that it was being explored with the City appointed housing committee but any leveraging of RDA funds to CDBG would be minimal . Commissioner Preston stated he felt that Historic Preservation Commission would be best represented if they related to the Planning objectives, provided they were tied to benefitting living conditions for low income and moderate income people. Mr. McCollom stated that commercial property could be considered for funding and it would basically be for facade improvements , elimination of code violations and structural deficiencies. Commissioner Preston asked if other cities in California were using CDBG funds for unreinforced masonry retrofit. Mr. McCollom stated. that other cities were looking into it but none had actually done it yet. Commissioner Cooper asked if a designated historical house could be moved within a blighted area if it were under restoration . Mr. McCollom stated it could be moved if the move was considered part of the restoration and that the eligibility as a whole would be based on what the structure would be used for. He further stated if it were to be used for low income housing it should be eligible. He also explained that another HPC MINUTES -8- FEBRUARY 1 , 1990 possibility for eligibility could be retrofitting for handicap access ( if care was taken not to take away from the historical features) of properties used as public facilities . Commissioner Preston asked how many housing units are being served on an annual basis through loans, grants , or CDBG money. Mr. Henderson replied that the City had a contract through June , 1989 with the County to do only emergency rehabilitation and grants for low-moderate income units and consequently there were 32 grants and 1 loan last year. He further stated the County cancelled that program in June and the City had no program and no housing staff. He also stated with the addition of Mr. McCollom' s firm the City would be able to implement a more active role in the loan program. Commissioner Preston asked if guidelines had been loosened in regard to sensitivity analysis of a structure. Mr. McCollom stated that every house over 50 years old must be reviewed for its historical significance and if it is determined significant it would then be submitted to Shipo for review. Commissioner Preston asked if it would be advisable to do a Code Enforcement Survey Notification process combined with Historic Preservation Commission survey work to identify targets for the use of CDBG funds. Mr. Henderson stated that there are already two target areas and 70 people identified for possible consideration for low income housing rehabilitation. Commissioner Banks stated that she wanted to have an item of New Business added to next month 's agenda. She stated she had concern regarding the fate of possibly the last Cypress tree located in Rancho Cucamonga on the southwest corner or Baseline and Etiwanda and asked if an emergency meeting could be held if the Commission found that this tree were going to be destroyed by the current new construction in the area . The Commission concurred that they would hold an emergency meeting if it was necessary. Mr. Henderson stated he would do a status report for next month 's meeting. Commissioner Haskvitz stated that he also wanted an item put on next month ' s agenda regarding the possibility of placing a plaque or tile at Heritage Park to recognize historically significant area residents. ANNOUNCEMENTS H. STATUS OF THE LEDIG HOUSE Mr. Henderson stated he had not received the information he was waiting for from the Community Services Department but he would continue to try to get the information as soon as possible. HPC MINUTES -9- ' FEBRUARY 1 , 1990 I . STATUS OF THE MINOR HOUSE Mr. Henderson stated he had met the new owners of the Minor House and the new owners were, required to purchase the entire parcel from Gerber. He further stated they were trying to find an architect and have approached the City to see if they could delay public improvements on the parcel map by applying for a Alteration Permit and a Change of Use Permit. J. ARCHIVE MEETING UPDATE Mr. Henderson stated that the meeting was very productive and one item mentioned was the need for an historic center for documents and artifacts (other than the archive room in the new City Hall ) for public use. He further stated that he had spoken with the Deputy City Planner and was assured that there would be an historic room in the new library. MOTION by Preston, seconded by Banks authorizing the Chairman to send a letter to the Library Committee and the City Council expressing the Commission ' s interest in having a historical special collections room in the new library of adequate size, equipment and staff. Motion was unanimously carried by the following vote : AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ' ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS : NONE --carried K. HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION PLANNER RECRUITMENT UPDATE Mr. Henderson stated that the City will be re-advertising for this position, _ targeting specific historic preservation groups and educators for possible candidates . Mr. Henderson asked if March 1 , 1990 would be acceptable to the Commissioners for a joint dinner meeting with the Planning Commission . The Commissioners concurred that 6 :00 PM (prior to the regular Historic Preservation Commission meeting) , March 1 , 1990 would be convenient. Mr. Henderson stated that selection of a new Chair and Vice Chair for the Commission would be on the next agenda . He further mentioned that the Thomas Winery and the Lord ' s House also would be included on the agenda . HPC MINUTES -10- FEBRUARY 1 , 1,990. PUBLIC COMMENTS Lynn Merrill , Management Sciences Applications, Inc . , stated that the State Office of Historical Preservation wiill be putting out a grant application program for low income and portable housing. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 9:38 PM to a Joint Historic Preservation/Planning Commission dinner meeting at 6 :00 PM, March 1 , 1990 at the Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road , Rancho Cucamonga . Respectfully submitted , Shelley Petrelli Secretary HPC MINUTES -11- FEBRUARY 1 , 1990 January 9, 1990 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA CITY COUNCIL MINUTES Joint Meeting Joint Meeting of the City Council and The Historic Preservation Commission A. CALL TO ORDER A joint meeting of the City Council of the City of Rancho Cucamonga and the Historic Preservation Commission met .on Tuesday, January 9, 1990, at the Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line 'Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. The meeting was called to order at 7:10 p.m'. by Mayor Dennis L. Stout. Present were Councilmembers: William J. Alexander, Deborah N. Brown, Pamela J. Wright, and Mayor Dennis L. Stout. ' Absent was Councilmember: Charles J. Buquet II. ' Also present were: Jack Lam, City Manager; Linda D. Daniels, . Deputy City Manager; Rick Gomez, Community Development Director; Ruse Maguire, City Engineer; Brad Buller, City Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Joe Schultz, Community Services Manager; Kathy Sorenson, Recreation Superintendent; Diane O'Neal, Administrative Analyst; Susan Mickey, Administrative Aide; Jeff King; Deputy City Attorney; and Jan Sutton, Deputy City Clerk. ► � ► ■ w e B. CITY COUNCIL ITEM OF DISCUSSION 61. APPROVAL OF BALL FIELD ALLOCATION ALTERNATIVE RELATING TO HERITAGE PARK RECONSTRUCTION. Staff report presented by Joe Schultz, Community Services Manager. Councilwoman Wright asked for clarification on the lighting policy on Sunday nights. Joe Schultz, Community Services Manager, stated that currently the lights are blacked out on Sunday, and only on until 10:00 p.m. on the other nights. Councilwoman Wright asked if according to the staff report if all teams will be accommodated, was the lottery just to determine the time and place for games. Joe Schultz, Community Services Manager, stated that was correct. City Council Minutes January 9, 1990 Page 2 Mayor Stout opened the meeting for public input. A woman from the Alta Loma Little League felt they were being displaced for their entire season and they still wanted to play at Heritage Park. She stated the alternative plan discussed with staff was just that, an alternative plan, but stated that if they could not play at Heritage Park they would accept playing at Red Hill Park. Councilwoman Brown asked if their position has not changed since the January 3, 1990 Council meeting. The woman stated no. Joe Schultz, Community Services Manager, stated that all parties might not be happy about the compromise, but that they know what it will take to get the fields reconstructed. He presented background information on the decision to renovate Heritage Park and how it was determined which fields would be renovated first. Russ Maguire, City Engineer, stated one of the reasons they decided on the west field 'first was that another field was being added, so that next season when the east ..field was being renovated, there would be two .fields available to play on. A gentleman from the audience stated he felt the reason AYSO was accepting ' this agreement was that they were making no changes in their schedule or locations. A gentleman from the audience stated there were only three fields in Rancho Cucamonga that did not have soccer grids on them, so he felt there were adequate facilities in the City for relocating soccer. A .gentleman from Adult Softball stated they didn't like staff's proposal either, but felt that if they didn't agree with the compromise, they would have nothing. Councilman Alexander stated he felt staff has done a tremendous amount of work and that we would have a quicker renovation because of it. He was sorry that they couldn't satisfy everyone, but felt the long term benefits outweighed the short term inconvenience. Mayor Stout stated he agreed with Councilman Alexander felt it would be better for the children in the long run. He knew that Citrus Little League was displaced when Red Hill Park was renovated, but they made it through the year and they now have one of the beet fields in the area. A representative from the Citrus Little League stated that people were very unhappy when Red Hill Park was being renovated, but they all felt the end results were worth it. Mayor Stout closed the meeting for public input. City Council Minutes January 9, 1990 Page 3 Councilwoman Brown stated she was hoping the compromise would be one that the people involved would be happy with. She felt it was unfortunate that everyone was caught in a situation that shouldn't have happened in the first place, but felt that. if. it had to be corrected it should be done the right way so it wouldn't have to be done again. . She agreed with staff's recommendation. Councilwoman Wright stated that based on the information presented, it appeared that the least amount of disruption would be to go with staff's proposed compromise. MOTION: Moved by Alexander, seconded by Brown to adopt staff's recommendation and to amend the lighting policy. Motion carried unanimously, 4-0-1 (Buquet absent) . Councilwoman Wright asked if the neighborhood around Red Hill Park has been notified about the temporary change in the light policy and that the lights will be louvered. Joe Schultz, Community Services Manager, stated the residents can be notified and advised of the dates this will be effective. He further stated that all the louvering should be completed in January or February, well before play started in March. ' Jack Lam, City Manager, requested Council recess to an Executive Session to discuss a pending lawsuit. The meeting recessed at 8:40 p.m. to Executive Session. The meeting reconvened at 8:55 p.m. with four members of Council present (Buquet absent) . C. JOINT ITEMS OF DISCUSSION Cl. ROLL CALL - HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. Present from the Historic Preservation Commission were: Melicent Arner, Marsha Hanks, Gene Billings, Steven Preston, and Chairman Bob Schmidt. Absent were Commissioners: Ada Cooper and Alan Haskvitz. C2. POSSIBILITY OF ACQUIRING LAND FOR PLACEMENT OF HISTORIC HOMES, Commissioner Banks stated she felt this issue started with the Klusman House on Foothill Boulevard, that they had several parties interested in purchasing the house but they had no where in the City to move the house to. She felt that if land was not purchased now, it either would not be available in the future City Council Minutes January 9, 1990 Page 4 or it would not be in an appropriate location. She stated that the Redevelopment Agency has within their budget $50,000.00 per year to acquire land, but it has to be within a Redevelopment project area. Even though this was not enough to buy a lot, she felt it was a place to start in formalizing a plan of action. Mayor Stout asked if they proposed that these homes be renovated for personal residential use. Commissioner Banks stated their first idea was to use this land as a type of land bank so this acreage would be available, and as an individual was interested in moving a house and starting renovations for their own home, they would buy the land and the Agency would be able to use the money to purchase additional land. Mayor Stout .stated that the City has a large sum of money for affordable housing, that 20% of the Redevelopment budget has to be used' for that. He felt that if this type of a project would qualify, a possibility to explore would be to see if they could use some of that money to buy an area and set up a neighborhood where the historic homes could be moved to, then sell them at an affordable price. Linda Daniels, Deputy City Manager, stated the only restrictions would be that the sale or rent of the property would have to be at an affordable rate, and the City might want to make sure that the .cost benefits of the money invested was commensurate with the amount received for the sale of the property. , Mayor Stout asked for clarification on how these funds were supposed to be used. Linda Daniels, Deputy City Manager, stated the idea was to write it down to either rent or sell at an affordable. . She felt what the Agency needed to consider was getting the most for their dollar, that they didn't want to have too much of a discrepancy between the value of the home and what they would be able to offer it at, but they are still in the development stage of the program. Commissioner Banks asked if a contract, could be entered into whereby the homeowner would restore the home because the homes are always free, but the Redevelopment Agency would be providing for the land and the moving of the house. Linda Daniels, Deputy City Manger, stated there are several things the Agency could do. Councilman Alexander stated an option to explore would be to have a historic house in a park setting, and have it available for community use. Linda Daniels, Deputy City Manager, stated that would be a good use in a neighborhood park sett'inq. Commissioner Banks felt the idea of buying a block of land needed to be developed, so that the homes would be grouped together and not be disruptive to people that have new homes in their neighborhood, City Council Minutes January 9, 1990 Page 5 Councilwoman Brown felt the Victoria Lakes area would be a beautiful setting for historic homes. Linda Daniels, Deputy City Manager, stated you could -use money outside of the redevelopment project area if you were using affordable housing funds, but that there are restrictions and you would have to weigh the benefits of doing that. The. $50;000.00 does not have to be used for affordable housing as long as it was in the Redevelopment project area.. Councilwoman Wright felt if affordable housing money was used for the purchase of land, it really wasn't benefitting people who needed affordable housing, because the people who were able to afford restoring the homes aren't going to be people who were at affordable housing income levels. Commissioner Banks agreed that it would probably be very few people who would qualify for the affordable housing guidelines that would also be able to restore the homes, but occasionally there are craftsmen who are interested in restoring a home that would qualify. Commissioner Preston stated there is going to be money available, and possibly this could be treated as an investment portfolio, where the major portion is• used for the most good, but a small portion could be set aside for a demonstration project to show how this City can produce affordable housing by using their stock ' of historic buildings. Councilwoman Wright felt it might be feasible if the intent was not necessarily just for historic preservation, but felt the biggest benefit sould be for affordable housing. Mayor Stout felt a lot of these goals could be met. He felt there was a primary responsibility because of the way the law is structured, but also felt there was a responsibility to the community to meet Boma of these other goals. Linda Daniels, Deputy City Manager, stated they are currently working on the needs assessment survey for the affordable housing program, and after they determine who are' the people they would be serving and their needs, then they would be looking at programs to meet those needs. She stated they would keep these ideas in mind when developing those programs. Commissioner Preston felt that preservation works better when the community understands the economic benefits to all citizens, that it is not an elite thing for high income people. Councilwoman Brown stated she was surprised at who actually fits into the. categories for low 'income housing, and felt that about 50% of the people living in the City would qualify for living in affordable housing. Commissioner Banks stated she wanted to see a plan developed and the money spent for the benefit of the community, she didn't want to see it expire. City Council Minutes January 9, 1990 Page 6 Councilwoman Brown stated possibly at the next housing task force meeting, staff could present a report covering how these ideas would fit into the housing set aside fund, but that they should. start moving on, these ideas with the $50,000.00. Linda Daniels, Deputy City Manager, stated the $50,000.00 could only be used in a Redevelopment project area, whose boundaries were from Highland Avenue on the north to 4th Street on the south, Archibald Avenue on the west to Etiwanda Avenue on the east. She stated again that they were not at the point of developing projects with the affordable housing funds yet, but they would put these ideas on the list. Commissioner Banks felt Etiwanda Avenue would be an ideal place to purchase land due to the vacant land in the area and the many historical landmarks and older homes on that street already. Mayor Stout felt the options could be explored through the Commission, and with the City coming up to a budget cycle, perhaps staff can help refine some of these ideas and make suggestions during the budget cycle of what they can do now to make these ideas work. • w w C3. DISCUSSION OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION BUDGET. , Commissioner Preston stated the Commission had a discussion relating to a budget, and felt the Council should keep their thoughts open with respect to, some of the different issues. Recently they reviewed the unreinforced masonry program, and an ordinance is being prepared on that issue. State law requires some type of mitigation program along with that, and of the list of items they reviewed some of them required funding sources, which might be Community Development Block Grant funds, Redevelopment Agency funds, etc., so that historic buildings could be rehabilitated. They have also discussed the Santa Fe Railroad Station and the possibility of designating it as a landmark, the archives which would need a money source to continue development of that, and a funding source to, continue the survey work for determining if structures should be landmarks or not. Mayor Stout stated he thought the. City should hire a professional to conduct an oral history program of long time residents, and that it should be started as soon as possible. Commissioner Banks stated that the Ontario library had done a similar program. Commissioner Arner stated the Upland library also .has done that type of a program. Chairman Schmidt asked if the Community Foundation was working on any type of an oral history project. Mayor 'Stout stated he knows that someone had donated a sum a money to do a videotape history, but didn't know the status of that project. City Council Minutes January 9, 1990 Page 7 Chairman Schmidt stated he was concerned about people who have old pictures in their homes that should be in the archives, and coming up with a way of communicating to them the possibility of letting the Commission borrow them to make copies without making them feel they were being forced to do this. Mayor Stout stated that was why he felt it was important to hire a professional that would know not only how to deal with people without intimidating them, but would also be able to relay the information gathered in an entertaining way. Councilwoman Wright felt there were federal grants available to help fund oral histories and we might want to explore that possibility. She also felt it was appropriate to have a professional conduct an oral history. Mayor Stout felt that time was of the essence on this type of project and he would like to see funds budgeted for this. Commissioner Preston asked what type of input would the Council like to see from the Commission that would need to be budgeted for. Mayor Stout stated the Commission shouldn't assume the Council knows everything that is going on. Councilwoman Wright stated the Commission also shouldn't assume that there wasn't money available for certain projects. She stated the Council would still like to receive suggestions and know what are some of the opportunities out there. Councilwoman Brown stated that since Rancho Cucamonga has been chosen to be a city with an operating station on the Santa Fe line, maybe one of the historical homes in the City could be refurbished to be the station. She stated that SANBAG would be contributing a sum of money to set up a station, so possibly they could use that money to relocate a home or the old station to the location at 8th and Haven and refurbish it. Commissioner Banks stated the issue of designating the old station a landmark was going to be coming before Council in February. Commissioner Billings stated he felt the station would be able to be restored to its original form. Mayor Stout asked if hadn't the City received a letter from Santa Fe stating that if the City didn't do something with the station, Santa Fe was going to tear it down. Rick Gomez, Community Development Director, stated that was correct and that a letter has been sent to the people coordinating the commuter rail that they should coordinate between the operating division and the land division, and try to get the two parties together to reconcile their differences. city council Minutes January 9, 1990 Page 8 Councilwoman Brown stated they would have to see how much money SANBAG was going to contribute for a station and platform, but that the City is supposed to be up and moving by July 1991. She felt it would be easier to use the existing station that just needed renovation instead of starting from scratch. She further stated that as she and Rick Gomez bring back more information on the commuter rail, they would work with the Commission on the station. Rick Gomez, Community Development Director, stated there was also a technical committee starting up to help advise on the commuter rail locations, so they will keep the Commission apprised as more details develop. Commissioner Banks stated she was concerned about the negative reaction of some homeowners when their property was being considered for historic landmark designation. She felt the more money the Council was willing to commit to historic preservation, and possibly offering incentives to the homeowners, it would benefit the community and help make the homeowner's attitude more positive about the situation. x x x x x x C4. DISCUSSION OF ITEMS OF MUTUAL INTEREST. Mayor Stout stated he wanted the Commission not only to identify places of historic value in the community, but also to examine ideas regarding how the City is developing now that will be historic in 50 years or more, so that they can start doing some things in a more tasteful manner. Commissioner Arner asked what the Council would like them to do regarding a historian. Mayor Stout thought they should outline what they would like a historian to do, and then go out for bids on the project. Commissioner Banks felt a historian was not a major budget consideration and inquired if they would need to wait for the next budget or could they get started on it now, or even on any project of that scale. Mayor Stout stated that with all the other things that are happening he doubted that it could be acted upon that quickly. He thought it might be summer before they could get it in place. Commissioner Banks agreed that time was of the essence in starting this project. Jack Lam, City Manger, stated the City budget cycle starts in February, so now would be a good time for the Commission to prepare ideas and propose them as part of the budget. Councilwoman Wright stated she was interested in having markers that would direct people to historical designations in the City. She felt that even if the money was not readily available at the present, the idea should be given to Council so they could try to find funds in the future for it. City Council Minutes January 9, 1990 Page 9 Commissioner Banks felt the markers should be generic since many of the historical homes are residences. Commissioner Preston felt the markers the City of San Jose was using were excellent. Commissioner Banks stated another proposal was the recognition of historical figures through street names. She stated the Commission has proposed this in the past but it has not been used. Mayor Stout asked if they had a list compiled. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated they do have a list of names that they show to the developers, but they usually don't use them because they say they are too hard to pronounce. He stated they are coming before Council on January 17 on the street naming policy, and that they often try to pre-name the streets through Planning staff. Councilwoman Brown stated that maybe if a historical name was used for a street, there would be a way it could be shown on the street sign. Chairman Schmidt felt some type of brochure should be done up for when new people come to town that would give them the basic layout of the community and some of the history. ' Councilwoman Brown felt something like that should be distributed through the Chamber of Commerce since that was' usually where new residents went to find out information about the community. D. COMMUNICATIONS. PROM THE PUBLIC There were none. • ■ ,e w x w E. ADJOURNMENT MOTION: Moved by Brown, seconded by Alexander to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously, 4-0-1 (Buquet absent) . The meeting adjourned at 9:12 p.m. Respectfully submitted', Jan Sutton - Deputy City Clerk Approved by Historic Preservation Commission: February 1, 1990 Approved by City Council: February 7, 1990 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Adjourned Meeting January 4, 1990 Chairman Mc Niel and Chairman Schmidt called the joint meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Planning Commission and Historic Preservation Commission to order at 9:15 P.M. The meeting was held at the Rancho Cucamonga Neighborhood Center, 9791 Arrow Highway, Rancho Cucamonga, California. The purpose of the workshop was to facilitate review and discussion between the two Commissions over the proposed rehabilitation work for the Winery and Still buildings at Thomas Winery Plaza and to provide direction to the developers. ROLL CALL PLANNING COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: David Blakesley, Suzanne Chitiea, Larry Mc Niel , Betsy Weinberger ABSENT: Peter Tolstoy ' HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene .Billings, Steve Preston, Bob Schmidt ABSENT: Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz STAFF PRESENT: Brad Buller, City Planner; Dan Coleman, Principal Planner; Nancy Fong, Senior Planner; Jeff Gravel , Assistant Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Otto Kroutil , Deputy City Planner Brad Buller, City Planner, introduced the Commissions and staff to the developers and their professional teams. John Loomis, 30th Street Architects, .Inc., presented the proposal to the two Commissions. He gave a definition of what rehabilitation is. He further explained the unsuccessful attempt to nationally register the winery building as a National Historic Landmark. The proposed rehabilitation is to focus on the period of significance between 1920's to 1930's. The rehabilitation work will distinguish the new work from the old- in a subtle way. The purpose is to identify the old and the new with a contemporary interpretation of the old. John Petry, Sanderson, Ray, and Petry, explained the needs of future tenants. Planning and HPC Minutes - 1 - January 4, 1990 Chairman NcNiel disagreed with the architect in that there should be a distinction between the original. adobe wall and the 1969 portion. He felt the wall materials and color between the old and new should not be highlighted at all . Commissioner Banks stated that the landmark, overall , is being detrimentally affected by a cluttered look. She thought the parking lot lights, interior illuminated signs, added windows, skylights, and roof sign contribute to the cluttering up of a simple architectural structure. She felt if a historic period is selected, it should be 1839, since the significant historical aspect is the claim that this is the oldest winery in the state and the second' oldest in the nation. She agreed with Chairman McNiel . that there does not need to be a subtle difference in stucco colors between the old and the new portions of the building. She felt the architecture of the new center buildings detract from the simplicity of the winery architecture. - She stated a preference for wood shingles or shake and that there should not be any roof mounted equipment, particularly on the northern exposure because of the proximity to Vineyard Avenue. She liked the idea of dormers, but not the skylights. Commissioner Preston stated that he felt the period of historical significance should also be 1839. He felt the landscaping was historically respectful except for the selection of some of the ornamentals that are proposed which look out of place. He requested details on the public outdoor furniture. He recommended the use of wood as the primary material for any outdoor furniture and that its design ,be appropriate for the historical period of the , building. He was also concerned with the types of decorative pavement that would be used around the building. He had a problem with the roof and interior illuminated signs as proposed since it would give it a cluttered look. He felt an artifacts plan/list is needed with sufficient -details. He stated he would like to see any new windows recessed as much as possible. He requested that the architect submit the National Nomination papers and correspondence records to the Historic Preservation Commission for verification of ineligibility. He too had a problem with the roof equipment, particularly on the north side of the building. He was also concerned with the loss in the different floor elevations and its effect on the spacial character of the interior. Commissioner Chitiea requested that additional details concerning the doors and window frames be brought back for review and consideration and designed to be consistent with the existing doors and windows. The landscaping around the building should reflect the image of a winery and not a desert. She agreed the street furniture should be simple, but of wood and metal materials with details to be brought back for review. Commissioner Weinberger stated that she was concerned about the speculative nature of the occupants of the building causing many changes which may not be desirable or necessary. Commissioner Blakesley questioned the decision as to whether the upper floor needed to be used for offices and that perhaps it should remain a storage area or an artifact display area since the change in use was going to cause additional openings (skylights, windows, and doors) in the structure. Planning and HPC Minutes - 2 - January 4, 1990 `5 Commissioner Preston concurred with this perception. The consensus of the Historic Preservation Commission and the Planning Commission, based on reviewing the proposal , was as follows: 1. The old and new improvements to the original winery should not be highlighted. 2. The period of significance for rehabilitation should be the year 1839. 3. The changes to the buildings, the additions of skylights, new entries, signs; and etc., made the winery building look too cluttered. 4. The use of wood shake for the roof material is preferred. 5. Concern was raised with roof mounted equipment/projections. Exhaust pipes and fans should not be exposed. The Commissioners understood that some of the kitchen equipment might have to be exposed. The concern is then how to minimize the visual impact of the new vents and how to architecturally treat them. 6. The choice of plant ,palette immediately adjacent to the winery building should_ reflect the winery heritage. 7. Minimal street furniture should be used near and around the winery building. The design of the street furniture and hardscape must be submitted for Historic Preservation Commission and Planning Commission review and approval . 8. Minimal signs should be placed on the buildings. Painted signs are preferable. Identifying the winery 'building as the oldest winery is acceptable, but not through a painted roof sign. Make use of the existing monument sign to identify businesses. 9. Submit an inventory of artifacts and a ,plan to display them for Historic Preservation Commission and Planning Commission review. This should be done prior to scheduling the project for public hearing. 10. The addition of skylights is unacceptable. 11. All ground and . wal'1 mounted equipment, such as meters and conduits, must be screened. 12. The types of doors, windows, stairways, railings, and number of entries must be sensitive to and incorporate historic patterns, materials, colors, and styles. 13. Concerns were raised with the speculative users for the building, which caused the numerous changes. 14. Night highlighting is encouraged. Planning and HPC Minutes 3 - January 4, 1990 ADJOURNMENT ' The joint Planning Commission and Historic Preservation Commission meeting/workshop adjourned at 11:50 PM. Respectfully submitted, Shelley Petrelli Secretary Planning and HPC Minutes - 4 - January 4, 1990 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting January 4, 1990 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:02 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: 'PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Steven Preston, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz STAFF PRESENT: Jerry Grant, Building Official , Jeff Gravel , Assistant Planner; Larry Henderson, Principal" Planner; Cindy Norris, Associate Planner; Shelley Petrelli , Secretary; Carlos Silva, Rehabilitation Specialist APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Arner, seconded by Billings, unanimously carried, to approve the minutes of November 2, 1989 and December 7, 1989. OLD BUSINESS A. UNREINFORCED MASONRY BUILDINGS LIST/SURVEY Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, stated that at the last Commission Meeting the Commission was reviewing structures that may be of historic value that fall under the Unreinforced Masonry Ordinance (AB 547) . He further stated that the Commission attempted to qualify and prioritize how those buildings should be evaluated further in the survey. In the related staff report, on page A-2, Arlene Banks had ind'icated: (A) Designated Landmarks and (B) Potential Landmarks that had all been surveyed; (C) Potential Landmarks that were unsurveyed; and (D) Unreinforced Masonry Buildings that were not included on HPC MINUTES -1- JANUARY 4, 1990 the list. She had also indicated what the Commission' s priority had been regarding items C and D. Mr. Henderson explained that since the last the Historic Preservation Commission meeting, the City Building Official had found funds in his budget to pay for a consultant, Lynn Merrill , to survey the structures with the State Survey form. Mr: Merrill has completed the survey and his initial indications are that on architectural grounds, he could clearly recommend landmark status for the following items in Group C: Gas Station at Etiwanda and Baseline and Community Center Church, 8619 Baker and Group D: La Paloma Market, 8847 Archibald; Old Market, 8807 Center; Cask and Cleaver, 8649 9th; and Funco, 8847 9th. These are the preliminary findings, as Mr. Merrill wished to contact Commissioners Cooper and Billings for more details. Commissioner Banks wished clarification on whether that meant these items would be moved from C and D status to B status. Mr. Henderson stated that Mr_ Merrill ' s survey information would be brought before the Commission for concurrence and revision of the status list and then forwarded to the State office. I.t would also allow the Historic Preservation Commission to decide if they wished to eliminate certain items and the Building Official would be able to take care of those items with an Ordinance and not have to worry about the CEQA standpoint for additional clearance. Commissioner Banks asked if Mr. Merrill would be presenting all 11 items. Mr. Henderson said that was correct. Commissioner Banks expressed appreciation regarding the funding that was found for the consultant and also that the consultant was able to survey all the buildings, not just the .high priority ones. Commissioner Arner stated that the consultant had found that the building at 10150 Foothill (the house being used as an office) was not of architectural importance. Mr. Henderson clarified that Mr. Merrill felt that too many changes had taken place and the building had lost its integrity. Also, Mr. Merrill ' s findings are only preliminary at this point. Mr. Merrill will be presenting the information at a future Historic Preservation, Commission Meeting. B. UNREINFORCED MASONRY BUILDINGS ORDINANCE/INCENTIVES Cindy Norris, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Ms. Norris gave everyone present a handout (Incentive Measures to be Recommended to City Council if Determined to be Feasible) . HPC MINUTES -2- JANUARY 4, 1990 1 Commissioner Banks requested clarification regarding the requirement of setting up an additional review by the Commission of Qualified Historic ' Buildings prior to issuance of a Demolition Building Permit. She stated that she thought this was already being done by the Historic Preservation Commission. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, responded that this was done informally, but not formally. This would make review mandatory. Staff felt it was best to write into the Ordinance that an application had to be filed. Commissioner Banks questioned if this would only be for unreinforced masonry buildings. Mr. Henderson stated that was correct. Commissioner Banks stated that she felt that seismic retrofit had a rather negative impact for the property owner and she thought that being able to present them with a pamphlet on incentives was a positive approach. She also requested clarification on the use of Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) funds for rehabilitation. Ms. Norris stated that there was $26,000 available through this year' s budget. Commissioner Banks asked if the Redevelopment funds would be available for retrofit. Ms. Norris stated that they would. Commissioner Preston questioned what total amount the City received in Block Grant funding. Mr. Henderson replied that $433,000 was the total budget through the Block Grant and that funding did not have to be used by the end of 1990; it could be rolled over and used later. Commissioner Preston asked if the City' s entitlement came directly through HUD and if the Commission should give their input at this time for the CDBG budget. Mr. Henderson stated that the entitlement did come through HUD and that the City would be formally gathering input from all the Commissions and Committees at a later time. He also stated that it was possible that the $100,000 Redevelopment funds may be used for moving the Ledig House. Jerry Grant, Building Official , stated that there is a time line established by the State to submit a program regarding seismic retrofit, which includes adoption of the Ordinance. Once the Ordinance is enacted by the Council there would be 180 days (6 months) to notify the property owners. He further stated HPC MINUTES -3- JANUARY 4, 1990 that he would, like to bring the Ordinance back to the next scheduled Historic Preservation Meeting so it could then be scheduled for Council as soon as passible. Commissioner Banks expressed concern that the incentives for seismic retrofit would not be in place by the time the Ordinance went to Council for adoption. Mr. Grant stated that he felt that the time lines were 'reasonable and expressed concern as to the safety issue involved regarding the possibility of earthquakes. Commissioner Banks concurred with that concern but wished further clarification on how long it would take to get the incentives in place. Mr. Henderson stated that he felt the only incentive that needed to be worked on was the Bond Program which would •involve a significant amount of time to survey all the structures, compute the total amount involved for rehabilitation and determine how large the bond issue would be. The other incentives are already in place. Mr. Grant suggested that the time frame of 180 days for notification of property owners could be .changed to 270 days to allow for the budget process incentives to be in place.. Commissioner Banks agreed with this suggestion but wanted to know how long it would take for staff to clarify the wording of the Ordinance. Ms. Norris responded that it would take approximately 30 days. , Commissioner Preston expressed concern that the incentives still would not be totally operational in 270 days. Commissioner Banks questioned whether all the buildings surveyed by the Historic Preservation Commission for this program will be considered historical buildings even though they have not necessarily been designated as a landmark. Mr. Henderson stated that the 11 buildings the Historic Preservation Commission surveyed are included and that forms would be sent to the State. He further clarified that this was only for the unreinforced masonry buildings, not all historical buildings. Mr. Grant questioned• if the Commission would be comfortable enough with the information from the consultant to make the decision regarding which of the surveyed buildings would be submitted to the State on or about February 9, 1990. HPC MINUTES -4- JANUARY 4, 1990 Commissioner Banks confirmed that they would be making that decision prior to the February 9, 1990 date. ' Motion: Moved by Preston, seconded by Banks to support the changes recommended in the Staff Report dated January 4, 1990 regarding the unreinforced masonry program, request that a revised Ordinance be prepared and presented at the Historic Preservation Meeting of February 1 , 1990 containing the incentive measures described in the unnumbered attachment and the Building Division be advised that they may set the matter for Council hearing on February 7, 1990; and request the revised Ordinance contain specific provisions delaying notification of property owners for 270 days until the incentive program is in place and operational . Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, BANKS, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, ARNER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, HASKVITZ --carried COMMISSION BUSINESS ' Chairman Schmidt stated if there were any additional items for the upcoming Joint City Council/Historic Preservation Commission Meeting this would be the time to add those items. ANNOUNCEMENTS C. ARCHIVES MEETING IN JANUARY Chairman Schmidt reminded the Commission of the upcoming archives meeting on January 24, 1990 from 2:00 to 4:00 PM in the Planning and Engineering Conference Room. D. REQUEST FOR CORRECTIONS OF LIST OF DESIGNATED AND POTENTIAL HISTORIC SITES Commissioner Banks clarified how corrections were to be made and the Commission agreed to bring these corrections back to the February meeting. Mr. Henderson reminded the Commission of their joint meeting with City Council on January 9, 1990 at 7:00 PM at the Lions Park Community Center. Interviews for the Commissioners who are up for reappointment will begin at 6:00 PM. HPC MINUTES -5- JANUARY 4 , 1990 PUBLIC COMMENT Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, introduced Jeff Gravel , Assistant Planner, to the Commission as Arlene Banks' temporary replacement until a Planner can be hired to take Arlene' s place. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8:02 PM to a Joint Historic Preservation/Planning Commission Meeting at the Rancho Cucamonga Neighborhood Center, 9791 Arrow Highway, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Respectfully submitted, Shelley Petrelli Secretary 1 HPC MINUTES -6- JANUARY 4, 1990 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting December 7, 1989 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Bob Schmidt, Ada Cooper (7:05), Steven Preston, Melicent Arner, Alan Haskvitz, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings COMMISSIONERSc ABSENT: None STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Carlos Silva, Rehab. Specialist; Kelly Orta, Secretary; Shelley Petrelli , Office Assistant _ PUBLIC HEARINGS A. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 89-05 - A request for a Landmark Alteration Permit for a change to the rear elevation of the Demens-Tolstoy House, 9686 Hillside Road, Rancho Cucamonga, 91701 - APN: 1061-561-03. Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Preston asked if outside expertise was sought to arrive at the conclusion that the project meets the Secretary of Interior's standards for rehabilitation. Mrs. Banks responded that it was based on staff evaluation and that she felt comfortable with the conclusion. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. HPC MINUTES -1- DECEMBER 7, 1989 Peter Tolstoy, 9540 Hillside Road, expressed his excitement with this project. He stated that the original house had a basement and the first floor. He stated when his grandfather purchased the house, he went into the ' attic and built rooms and sleeping porches, which changed the roof line of the house. In the 1920's Mr. Tolstoy's aunt had added on a closet. He stated one of the things he wanted to do with reconstruction was getting rid of the closet area, but still having the bedroom and a closet. He stated they would like to change the pitch of the roof in the bathroom area. He stated one of the considerations was maybe leaving the porch off, which he did not want to do because it was a very prominent feature as he was growing up. He stated that the -rebuilding of the house is going to be extremely expensive and that the insurance company has gone along with everything he has asked for, but only to the extent of replacing the house as it was before the fire. He stated they hope to have the okay from the insurance company to return the house to it's pre-fire profile. He stated that as soon as the negotiations are complete to return the house to the pre-fire conditions, they will negotiate with them on the changes. They think they can convince the insurance company that the changes will not cost anything, because they are eliminating two exterior walls that would have had to be replaced and they are making it easier for the insurance company as far as workmanship which is a high cost for labor. He stated if the insurance company will not go along with the changes, the alterations will not be done and the house will be rebuilt as it appeared before the fire. Commissioner Preston questioned staff that if something were to go wrong with negotiations with the insurance company, would it require Mr. Tolstoy to come back to the Historic Preservation Commission. , Mr. Henderson responded that if Mr. Tolstoy was going to replace the house as it was, he would not have to return to the Commission, but he was going to make any changes, he would have to return to the Commission. Commissioner Preston stated that the Commission might add some language to Condition No. 1 that says that in the event the applicant is unable to attain satisfactory financing, the structure shall be returned to the appearance shown on Sheet 3 of the plans dated November 17, 1989. Mr. Henderson responded that this language would be appropriate. The Commission concurred to change Condition No. 3 on the Resolution to state that the roofing materials shall match the existing roof materials as closely as possible. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. MOTION: Moved by Billings, seconded by Banks to approve Landmark Alteration Permit 89-05. The motion carried by the following vote: HPC MINUTES -2- DECEMBER 7, 1989 AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, BANKS, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT, ARNER, COOPER, PRESTON NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONER: NONE --carried MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Banks to amend the Resolution, Condition No. 1 to state that in the event the applicant is unable to attain satisfactory financing, the structure shall be returned to the appearance shown on Sheet 3 of the plans dated November 17, 1989. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, BANKS, HASKVITZ, COOPER, ARNER, SCHMIDT, BILLINGS NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried B. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE CUCAMONGA DEPOT, EIGHTH STREET, EAST OF ARCHIBALD, AS A LANDMARK OR POINT OF HISTORIC INTEREST - AP97.--207-062-04 Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt asked if the Railroad has stated that they would be willing to sell it for almost nothing. Mrs. Banks responded that the term "token amount" has been used and that the Railroad has not officially responded. Chairman Schmidt asked if the City bought the depot, would there be a deadline to move it. Mrs. Banks responded that it would be negotiated. Commissioner Banks asked if a condition of purchase would be move it. Mrs. Banks responded that it would be up to the City Council and the Railroad. HPC MINUTES -3- DECEMBER 7, 1989 Commissioner Banks stated there was talk of using the depot for the proposed railroad being reactivated. She felt this could be focal point instead of Haven Avenue. Mr. Henderson stated the site is too narrow to accommodate the 320 parking spaces needed. There is some incompatibility in terms of existing land uses. Archibald Avenue is not designed to carry the maximum traffic load in the City, Haven Avenue is. Haven Avenue is designed as the City's major access as far employment goes. Commissioner Preston asked if this is an Amtrak passenger line now or is the southerly line the passenger line. Commissioner Billings responded they both are. Commissioner Preston stated he had some concerns with this building and that it was not significant, but the report has changed that. He commented that he would like the Resolution amended to describe the building further in the findings and what facts are to support them. He stated that if someone goes to the City Clerk or Department Secretary and wants to see on what basis the Commission made its decision, it is always easier to have those in the Resolution. Commissioner Banks questioned if the Commission has owner consent. Mrs. Banks responded the City has owner knowledge of what is happening and have not had an owner objection. ' Commissioner Haskvitz questioned what the estimated cost would be to move the structure. Mr. Henderson responded that staff has not looked into any of that information. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing no response, Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Arner to recommend to the City Council the purchase, for a token amount, and Landmark designation of the Cucamonga Depot located on Eighth Street, east of Archibald, and direct staff to further define the findings in the final Resolution to reflect the staff report. The motion carried by the following vote: HPC MINUTES -4- DECE14BER 7, 1989 AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, ARNER, BANKS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT, BILLINGS NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried OLD BUSINESS C. UNREINFORCED MASONRY BUILDINGS STAFF REPORT - Report presented by Carlos 1 va Carlos Silva, Rehabilitation Specialist, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt questioned how much would have to 'be done to a building such as The Rains House. Mr. Silva responded that it all depended on the engineer doing the analysis and if the Historic Lode or Conservation Code is used. He stated that using figures from the Conservation Code as opposed to .Uniform Building Code, they average about 40-50% lower. ' Commissioner Preston expressed his concern with the report not expressly detailing the procedure of notification and mitigation or compliance is going to occur. He stated that there may not be enough being done in terms of incentives to encourage people as opposed to an approach which stated that they shall comply. He questioned if the Building Department had given any consideration to specific incentives that could be used to encourage people to bring their building into compliance. Mr. Silva responded that the Building Department has a list that will be available listing some of those incentives that will be available to the building owner. Commissioner Preston asked what those incentives might be. Mr. Silva responded that they do not have complete list because some of them have not been approved. He stated that the only way some of the incentives can be used is after the ordinance has been adopted by the City. Commissioner Preston asked what are the ones being proposed. Mrs. Banks responded they were such things as loans through the Redevelopment Agency, possible Block Grant funds. ' HPC MINUTES -5- DECEMBER 7, 1989 Mr. Silva added another would be that their taxes would not be increased when retrofitting, because of the cost of retrofitting. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, stated that a memo had been forwarded to Jerry Grant, Building Official , listing seven potential mitigations. They 'were as follows: 1. The development of specific .criteria requiring any potential or designated historic structures to be removed by the Historic Preservation Commission prior to issuance of building or demolition permits,. 2. Outline specific incentives available to owners of historic structures. 3. Require that a second opinion regarding construction of materials be provided by the structural engineer who has expertise in historic preservation. 4. The right of City funded design consultation service. Funds are available through Historic Preservation budget. 5. As a majority of the buildings are located in the Redevelopment Project area, funds from the Redevelopment Agency may be available to the property owners. 6. Provide an information pamphlet to owners of unreinforced masonry , structures that explain basic principles of SB 547 and outline options available for preservation of historic structures. 7. Additionally, the use of Historic Building Code can also be considered a mitigation. Mr. Henderson added that these are the type of mitigation measures that staff initially came up with in terms of evaluating the draft ordinance. Commissioner Banks questioned if these were recommended to be included in the ordinance. Mr. Henderson responded that Mr. Grant will examine whether he can incorporate some of these into the ordinance, whether they should be modified, or add additional ones. He added that it might be important to note that the Ordinance will not be going to the City Council on December 20 as that meeting as been cancelled, which may give the Commission additional time to review the document. He stated that the Commission might want Mrs. Banks to prepare a written evaluation or suggestions and bring the report back to the next Historic Preservation Commission meeting. HPC MINUTES -6- DECEMBER 7, 1989 ' Commissioner Banks stated she would like to see a summary of how this document affects historic buildings. She stated she was unclear why there was a ' section on historical buildings, but it only specifically refers to unburned clay, masonry or adobe, but expressed concern over rock structures and why they are not addressed in the document. Mr. Silva responded that rock structures are mostly single family residences and they are exempt from the program. He stated the church would be based under the Historical Code as opposed to the Uniform Building Code. Commissioner Preston questioned if the owners of the structures had received any notice from the City indicating that the City has identified their buildings has potentially reinforced masonry. Mr. Silva responded that they had. He stated that they were suppose to call and arrange for an inspection which some did and some did not. On those that did not, the City .went out and performed an exterior visual inspection as opposed to an interior inspection, they were identified and then put on the potential list. Commissioner Preston questioned that after the designation was made, was the property owner given an opportunity to challenge that designation. Mr. Silva responded yes.. He stated that the challenge would do no good at this time because the City has no standards to be able to analyze the buildings, which was conveyed to the property owners. He stated that they ' were told that, at this point, the City was preparing a potential list. Commissioner Preston stated he was not clear on, if this program is adopted by the Council, how the notification would proceed. He questioned how long it would take from the time the program is initiated to the time notice is served and require the property owner to conform. Mr. Silva responded that according to the timeframe that is outlined, they are trying to get everything completed within 3 years. He stated that date of service would, be 270 days from when the property owner receives their notice to start their process in trying to retrofit the building. Commissioner Preston clarified that from the time the Council adopts the program, how long will it be before the notice is served, and then the property owner has 270 days before they are compelled to start the process. Mr. Silva stated that probably within 2 to 3 weeks. He stated the forms are preliminarily ready.. ' HPC MINUTES -7- DECEMBER 7, 1989 Commissioner Preston clarified that the City has a program that if the Council adopts it, 2 weeks later the City would start sending out the notices, but the ' City does not, at this point, have an indication what those incentives might be. He questioned if the City is proposing to the City Council to go ahead and start the notice process before the City has any idea what the incentives might be. Mr. Silva responded that in some cases there are not any incentives because some of the buildings are not under the historical classification. He stated that those that are not under the historical classification have very little incentive. Commissioner Preston expressed concern over how the property owners are going to be notified and whether the incentives will actually be in place for them to take advantage of. Mr. Silva stated that in the notice, the City will be furnishing a list of some of the programs and some of the offices that they will be able to contact regarding direction on what programs they will qualify for. Commissioner Banks questioned if any local incentives will be in place. Mr. Silva responded that they did not know at this time unless someone comes up with something that can be put into the list. Commissioner Banks suggested being available for Block Grant funding or low ' interest loans. She questioned what it would take initiate this and put into the Ordinance. Mr. Silva responded that the Building & Safety Division is only doing the program. He stated the Planning Division is working on obtaining names of people to contact in regards to the incentives. Commissioner Preston expressed concern in seeing the program in it's totality and what is going to happen at each step and what the incentives are. He stated he felt very uncomfortable taking a position on this program. Commissioner Banks stated if the Commission just concerns itself with historical structures, the Commission has attempted to accomplish something like this in the last year and a half to make the restoration and rehabilitation of the old structures something the property owner would want to do. She stated that the Commission has worked at bringing incentives for historical preservation and she does not understand why there are not incentives with the seismic retrofit. Mrs. Banks stated that part of the purpose of bringing this to the Commission is to obtain input so that things like incentives programs can be included. HPC MINUTES -8- DECEMBER 7, 1989 ' Commissioner Banks stated that the City definitely needs them. She stated ' that the City has enough resistance for historic preservation and she does not want to see any roadblocks thrown in the way. Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission's recommendation is that the Ordinance incorporate some incentives and would like to review those. Commissioner Preston stated he would like to feel that he understands the program better and that with the report that is going to City Council , that there is actually a schedule attached that specifically states what the timeframe is going to be. Mr. Henderson suggested adding into the motion that these issues be addressed and brought back to the January meeting so that if the Building & Safety Division, for some reason cannot bring it back to the Historic Preservation Commission, at least the City Council had these concerns. He stated that the Ordinance is unclear when the service order will go out. He stated the minimum time period for the service of additional items is the effective date of the Ordinance, however it does not state when the original service order goes out. He stated that this is something that needs to be addressed. Commissioner Banks expressed her concern with the notices going out and the Historic Preservation Commission receiving requests for demolition permits for some of the historic structures. ' Mr. Silva stated that the permits have to be approved by the City Council . MOTION: Moved by Preston, seconded by Banks to direct staff to relay the Historic Preservation Commission's recommendations to Building & Safety staff to incorporate local incentives for retrofitting for historic structures into the Ordinance, requesting an analysis of the affect of this Ordinance on historic buildings, and requesting comments on a specific timeframe for the procedure and requesting these items be brought back to the Historic Preservation Commission for review at their January meeting. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: PRESTON, BANKS, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, ARNER, COOPER, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried HPC MINUTES -9- DECEMBER 7, 1989 D. UNREINFORCED' MASONRY BUILDINGS OF HISTORICAL INTEREST Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. The Commission prioritized the buildings as follows: 0 12752 Foothill - Tinker - The old winery building - Priority 1 0 12150 Sixth Street - Borg Building - Priority 3 o Market on Center Street - Priority 3 0 9433 Foothill - T & D Auto - Priority 3 o Funco Building - Ninth Street - Not to be surveyed. 0 La Paloma Market - Priority 1 0 Cask n Clever - Priority 1 0 8619 Baker - Priority 2 o 10150 Foothill - Priority 1 o Sunshine Egg Ranch - Priority 2 o Garage, Corner of Etiwanda & Base Line - Priority 1 o Biane Winery - Priority 1 0 Pioneer Winery - Priority 1 o Cowgirl - Priority l 0 Guidera Winery - Priority 1 . o Regina/Ellena Winery - Priority 1 Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, asked Mr. Silva about the gas station on the northeast corner of Etiwanda and Foothill . Mr. Silva responded that the building is frame and stucco. , COMMISSION BUSINESS There was no Commission Business heard. ANNOUNCEMENTS. E. UPDATE ON THE LEDIG HOUSE - Oral Report Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, announced that in regards to the Ledig House, the Community Development Department is waiting for a letter from the Chino Basin Municipal Water District about the land that is southwest of the Neighborhood Center, which includes the cost of the land. She stated they are exploring the idea of purchasing the land and moving the house there to be used for Community Services purposes, such as Senior Advisory and other uses. She stated it is still in the exploratory stages.. F. UPDATE ON ARCHIVES Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the memorandum. HPC MINUTES -10- DECEMBER 7, 1989 Information received and filed. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, announced that January 9, 7:00 P.M. , at Lions Park Community Center is the scheduled joint meeting with the City Council . He stated staff would like to have any agenda items the Commission would like to discuss as soon as possible. The Commissioner Banks stated she would like to discuss land acquisition for moving old structures. Commissioner Preston added he would like budgetary issues in general discussed. Commissioner :Haskvitz stated he would like to have the Regional Park discussed. Commissioner Banks reminded the Commission and staff about the Historic Homes Tour on Saturday. Commissioner Banks announced that on December 19, 7:00 P.M. at Hippard Ranch, ' the Etiwanda Historical Society is having a special meeting and will show a video tape of the Chaffey Garcia House from the very beginning to the present. Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, announced that the Commission would have had the Thomas Winery Alteration Permit, but they did not submit a complete application. They are in the process of revising their application. She stated it is going through an informal Design Review Committee meeting tonight and the Commission will probably be seeing it next month if their application is found complete. Commissioner Banks questioned that because of the delay, who will review it first. Mrs. Banks responded that she did not know. Commissioner Preston questioned if it would be better to schedule a joint meeting. Mrs. Banks responded that 'it may be possible. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, stated that a joint meeting would be a goad idea. HPC MINUTES -11- DECEMBER 7, 1989 r PUBLIC COMMENTS Steve Hammond, California Transportation, Environmental Studies, Heritage Resources, reported on the historic property survey conducted for the Route 30 Freeway. He stated that the architectural structures that were identified to be eligible were the Goerlitz House, Isle House, and the Mueller House. The structures found to be potentially ineligible were the Maloof House, Loeb House, Hilleman House, Minor House, Gausne Ranch, Casaletti 's, Ross House, Kemp House, Tibbetts House. He stated these determinations were based primarily on architectural significance, rather than historic significance. Commissioner Banks asked what is meant when the structure is deemed as having . national significance. Mr. Hammond responded that it means that once the significance has been identified, the property is looked at for the affect of the project on those properties. If the project is going to have an adverse affect on the property, then they are going to be involved in a 4-F process, which means, when you have a property that is national register, you have to show there is no prudent feasible alternative to take the property, which, in this case, could be a constructive take. Commissioner Banks asked what the alternatives are and if there was going to be funds available to move the structures. ' Mr. Hammond responded they would have to propose mitigations, such as relocation of the structures. Commissioner Preston stated that if CalTrans does not go through this 4-F process, the federal government will not ,get funds for construction of the freeway project. Mr. Hammond stated there are going to be additional opportunities for the Commission to comment on the findings of the historic properties survey report and on preliminary affect determinations. He stated there is going to circulation of the draft environmental document and public hearings. He stated the Commission's participation in the review of Section 106 is mandatory. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned if there was a timeline yet. Mr. Hammond responded the draft environmental document will be available sometime next Spring with the public hearings probably sometime early Summer. Commissioner Banks questioned the status of the palm trees on Highland Avenue because of them being a "local landmark . HPC MINUTES -12- DECEMBER 7, 1989 M1 Mr. Hammond stated that he would notate this fact. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, stated that the funding for this project will come out of local sales tax. Mr. Hammond stated the majority of it or all of it. The Federal Highway Administration has indicated that they will not participate unless they have .at least 50% participation in the project. Mr. Henderson stated that in that case, the local jurisdiction has some say in how the money is being spent in terms of moving structures. Commissioner Banks stated' this is an item that needs to be discussed with the joint meeting with the City Council . Mr. Henderson questioned if the State is going to be sending a formal report separate from the Draft EIR so that the Historic Preservation Commission could respond formally back. . Mr. Hammond stated the State will be sending a copy of the Historic Properties Survey Report, which includes the historical architectural report and the archeological report for the Commission's review. Information received and filed. ' ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 9:50 P.M. Respec ully submitted, e Or� Y Secretary HPC MINUTES -13- DECEMBER 7, 1989 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting November 2, 1989 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Bob Schmidt, Ada Cooper, Steven Preston, Melicent Arner, Alan Haskvitz, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: None STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Carlos Silva, Rehab. Specialist; Kelly Orta, Secretary; ' APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Arner, carried to approve the minutes of October 5 1989. Chairman Schmidt moved Item D to the front of the agenda. ANNOUNCEMENTS D. INFORMATION ITEM: CALIFORNIA UNREINFORCED MASONRY LAW Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Mrs. Banks introduced Carlos Silva, Rehabilitation Specialist, and stated he would be available to answer questions. Commissioner Billings asked if the stone church qualified as a reinforced building. HPC MINUTES -1- NOVEMBER 2, 1989 Mr. Silva responded that in today's standards it does not qualify as a reinforced building. He stated that one of the aspects of the mitigation program is that the owner, at his expense, would have to submit a structural analysis to the City by a recognized engineer to see that it does comply with the standards being developed. Commissioner Banks questioned if the grape crushing building was considered. Mr. Silva responded that it was his belief that it was retrofitted at the time the addition was built and that the grape crushing building was poured in place concrete as opposed to brick. Commissioner Banks clarified that the purpose of the list is to designate those buildings which have to retrofit. Mr. Silva responded that the list is to identify potentially hazardous buildings. He stated that at the time the mitigation program is adopted by the City, the City would send the owner a notice to obtain a structural engineer to perform an analysis. If the analysis states that it would be able to sustain an earthquake and meet the City standards that are being developed, then the process would be complete. If not, the owner would have to retrofit it. Commissioner Banks stated that once the City has standards of retrofitting and information about retrofitting, she would like to see that information made available to residents. She stated that she would like to see some incentives developed for the owners who retrofit their historical structures. ' Commissioner Preston asked if there was a time frame in which this information is to be presented to the City Council . Mr. Silva responded that he hopes to have the mitigation program completely finished and be able to present it to the City Council the first meeting in January. Commissioner Preston questioned if there will be advance review of the report by the Historic Preservation Commission before it goes before the City Council . Mr. Silva stated that it was his understanding that it will be. Commissioner Preston stated that he thinks the document should be brought back to the Commission before presentation is made to the City Council . He stated it would have the Building Division's study accompanied by a report or summary of the Historic Preservation Commission 's discussion which would give the City Council some indication as to whether the Historic Preservation Commission feels that the program that is proposed is either sufficiently sensitive to the needs of those buildings that the Commission would like to see preserved HPC MINUTES -2- NOVEMBER 2, 1989 ' or that there are incentives that are options for the Council to consider, or perhaps if there are not incentives presented in the report, that the Historic Preservation Commission could suggest some. Commissioner Banks questioned if the Commission should do this in a workshop session before it goes to Council or that it goes to Council first simply for a reading and then comes before the Commission in January. Commissioner Preston stated he did not have a preference himself. Commissioner Banks questioned if the entire program will be ready in four weeks. Mr. Silva responded that it is approximately 70% complete. The Commission concurred to have the document presented to the Commission at the December meeting. OLD BUSINESS A. CEQA AND PRESERVATION, PART II Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, stated that if an EIR needs to be prepared, notices are sent out to all responsible agencies to have advance notice regarding the project so that they can let the City know what they feel may be significant issues or problems that they would like addressed in the EIR. This will then allow the City to make sure these items are covered in the EIR. He stated that the draft EIR can have anywhere from 30 to 45 days to be reviewed by the public and responsible agencies. If it is an EIR or project that has regional significance, it would be referred to the State Office of Planning and Research, which would then circulate the EIR to any stated agencies which would have possible interest in the project or have permitting interest in the project to respond to the EIR. This is usually a 45-day process to circulate the document and receive it back with comments. Commissioner Banks expressed concern over the lack of Historic Preservation Commission's ability to have an input into the information contained within EIR's. Mr. Henderson responded that the Historic Preservation Commission is becoming more involved in the complete process. The entire process is becoming more aware of historic preservation. ' HPC MINUTES -3- NOVEMBER 2, 1989 Commissioner Preston asked if the City of Rancho Cucamonga has adopted its own guidelines separate from CEQA guidelines. Mrs. Banks responded yes and they are going to be revised in the near future. Commissioner Preston asked if the City guidelines include the State guidelines or are they the guidelines in addition to the State's. Mr. Henderson responded that it is supplementing the State guidelines. Commissioner Preston stated that maybe in conclusion of the process, the Commission could see what is in the City of Rancho Cucamonga's guidelines that would be distinct with respect to historic preservation issues .from what is going on with the State guidelines. Mr. Henderson stated that the City 's CEQA guidelines have no special provisions for historic preservation, which is one of the items highlighted in the CEQA update. Commissioner Banks asked when the supplemental guidelines would be available. Mr. Henderson stated that the process has begun to update the guidelines and that he did not have an actual date of completion. He stated that when the portions of the update are complete that affect historic preservation, they will be brought to the Historic Preservation Commission for review. Commissioner Banks stated she would like a clarification that the building or site does not have to have national register significance to be significant. Mrs. Banks stated that this was correct. NEW BUSINESS B. PROTECTION OF UNDESIGNATED AND UNLISTED HISTORIC RESOURCES Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, stated that staff is working on Historic Preservation Objectives and Policies to be inserted into the General Plan. The Commission concurred to direct staff to continue working on the amendment to the Historic Preservation Commission Ordinance. HPC MINUTES -4- NOVEMBER, 2, 1989 C. CONSIDERATION OF CUCAMONGA DEPOT FOR FUTURE LANDMARK HEARING DESIGNATION - ra epor Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt stated that his concern is that is not too well protected. Commissioner Billings stated that this could have been used for a stop for the proposed commuter rail , but has recently heard that Haven Avenue would be the proposed stop instead of Archibald. Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, commented that the Commission needs to decide if the building is historic enough to preserve. He stated it is not masonry, therefore can be moved. It is in a redevelopment area, therefore redevelopment funds might be able to be used to move it to the ultimate commuter rail stop. He stated that he does not feel that the building would need to be moved right away, if it was found to be historic enough. Commissioner Banks stated that she felt the possibilities go beyond just using it as a railroad stopping point. She stated that maybe it could be converted into a commercial use. Commissioner Cooper stated that the building itself is fairly new. She stated it is on the former site of the old North Cucamonga Depot, which was a main station for people going from Cucamonga to all over Southern California. She ' stated the old building was taken down and rebuilt. She stated that it is significant in the fact that this station was used to get grapes to the east coast and all over the United States. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, stated staff will get in touch with the Santa Fe Railroad to see if they will let staff access the building for a more complete survey. Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Preston to set a public hearing for the potential landmark designation for the Cucamonga Depot. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, PRESTON, ARNER, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried HPC MINUTES -5- NOVEMBER 2, 1989 COMMISSION BUSINESS The Commission concurred to direct staff to prepare a letter to the City Council commending the Community Services Department staff on their contribution to the 150th anniversary celebration. Chairman Schmidt stated he would work with staff on the letter. ANNOUNCEMENTS E. RESPONSE TO MILLS ACT LETTER (Oral Report) Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, stated she had received one response from a Mr. Kincaid. She stated she will be making follow-up telephone calls to those that have not responded. Commissioner Banks questioned what property he was responding to. Mrs. Banks responded that it was the Kincaid Ranch, located on the south side Ninth Street, between Archibald and Hellman and has been surveyed. F. STATUS OF ETIWANDA CURBS (Oral Report) Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, stated that the curbs that are being built do ' conform to the standard. Commissioner Banks concurred. G. ELLENA PARK (Oral Report) Information received and filed. Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, announced that the lumber from the Big Bear Winery has been delivered to the Chaffey-Garcia House. Commissioner Billings announced that the Alta Loma Honor Roll is in the process of being moved. He stated that the Fire Department is presently developing landscaping plans incorporating placement of the Honor Roll . He stated they are waiting to hear from the BIA about obtaining some help in moving it, as there are no funds available to move it. He added that they should receive additional information in the near future. HPC MINUTES -6- NOVEMBER 2, 1989 ' H. JOINT MEETING WITH PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE SCHEDULED Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, announced that the tentative date for this meeting is the fifth Wednesday of January. PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no comments heard. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8:35 P.M. Respectfully submitted, KeryOT Secretary ' HPC MINUTES -7- NOVEMBER 2, 1989 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting October 5, 1989 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Bob Schmidt, Ada Cooper, Steven Preston, Melicent Arner, Alan Haskvitz, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: None STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Cathy Morris, Planning Technician; Kelly Orta, Secretary; 1 APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Preston, seconded by Haskvitz, carried to approve the minutes of September 7 1989. (Billings, Banks abstained) NEW BUSINESS A. PRESENTATION BY CHUCK WILSON, CONSULTANT ARCHIVIST Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, introduced Mr. Chuck Wilson, CWA Consultants. Mr. Wilson stated he was available to answer any questions the Commission may have. Commissioner Haskvitz asked if the archives will be both written and video. Mr. Wilson responded .that this possibility does exist. He stated certain decisions need to be made, such as what type of access and how to access it. He stated he will submit proposals to the Commission to make their recommendations. ' HPC MINUTES -1- OCTOBER 5, 1989 Commissioner Haskvitz stated he would like to see the material usable and he would like to see if the schools could tie in. ' Mr. Wilson stated there was a tremendous opportunity for educational packages. Commission Haskvitz asked what the size of the archive room is going to be. Mr. Wilson responded there is approximately a 30' x 30' room with half of that being designated for the City Clerk's use. Commissioner Banks stated that the Cucamonga County Water District has boxes of historic information stored in their attic and they want to get rid of it and that this alone would take up the alloted space. She stated that these water records trace land ownership in the area and are very important historic documents. Mr. Wilson stated a decision would have to made as to the scope of the archivable collection. Commissioner Haskvitz asked about the storage of photographs. Mr. Wilson responded that there is not a need for a special facility, but a need for special containers to protect them so they can be more usable. Commissioner Haskvitz expressed concern in regard to the limited space. Mr. Henderson stated that this is an incremental program, in that initial ' space has been allocated and it can be increased from there. B. DRAFT UPDATE OF LIST OF DESIGNATED AND POTENTIAL HISTORICAL SITES Cathy Morris, Planning Technician, presented the update. Commissioner Banks stated that getting the common names on the designations has been a priority since the Commission was part of Community Services and that this was terrific. She questioned if staff worked with the old listing, because there are some things on the old list that are not yet on the new list'. Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, stated that staff is going through the files and would like to consult with the Commission on the common names and on addresses. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, stated that this document is just a draft and that once the information has been entered, it can be printed on a monthly basis because as the Commission designates landmarks, approve alterations, or property comes up for determination, there will be changes to the list. HPC MINUTES -2- OCTOBER 5, 1989 ' Commissioner Banks stated she would like to see more under the "style" heading, such as .under Craftsman style, to specify material , such as stone. ' Commissioner Banks expressed concern over an item listed on the staff report. She stated that she was not aware of Commission policy dictating that before any new addresses could be placed on the list, a brief summary would have to be presented to the Commission. Mr. Henderson stated that the City Ordinance defines the Historic Preservation Commission to be the caretaker of the list, deciding what does or does not go on the list or what comes off the list. Commissioner Banks expressed her concern with the idea of an owner of a Victorian house that is not on the list coming in to pull demolition permits and staff cannot get back to the Commission before the next meeting to have it placed on the list. Commissioner Cooper stated anything south of Arrow Highway did not get surveyed. Commissioner Banks stated that if an item comes to the attention of staff, it should go immediately on the list subject to review at the next Commission meeting, which would give it immediate protection. Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Haskvitz to direct staff to add any items that come to their attention to the Designated and Potential Historic Site ' List at the time it comes to their attention to be reviewed by the Commission at the next available Commission meeting. Commissioner Preston stated that he is not opposed to the principal of the motion. He stated his concern was that there needs to be an appropriate level of documentation, at least to the extent that the staff can satisfy itself that it is not putting itself, the Commission, or City in legal jeopardy if it goes to issue in blocking that demolition permit without sufficient ,grounds. He stated he was also concerned with due process, which insures that there is adequate review and attention paid to looking at that structure up close before a determination is made that it goes on the list. He stated he would be l i ttl a worried if the City blocked a demolition and put itself in legal jeopardy because it had not had adequate opportunity to ascertain if the structure really is historic. Commissioner Banks asked if putting it on the list for approximately 3-1/2 weeks, completing documentation during that `time, and bringing it to the Commission for review at its next meeting would be adequate. Commissioner Preston responded if the structure was that endangered then his feeling would be that 1) staff would be in a difficult position without a better legal footing and 2) if there was such a situation where the Commission was not going to meet in that 3 week period, he would think that the preferred HPC MINUTES -3- OCTOBER 5, 1989 alternative would be to have a system set up where the City Council was prepared to handle it. Commissioner Banks stated that approximately 90% of the items on .the list now ' have not been looked at in detail . Mrs. Banks suggested that staff look at this question during the next month and report back to the Commission either in November or December. The Commission concurred. Commissioner Banks tabled her motion until the. Commission receives the report back from staff. Commissioner Haskvitz stated he would like to see a field added to the report with "action taken" dates. The Commission concurred. C. CEQA AND PRESERVATION, PART I Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks requested continuing this item to allow the Commission time to review this staff report. ' The Commission concurred to continue review of CEQA to the November 1, 1989 meeting. COMMISSION BUSINESS D. INFORMATION ITEM: G.P. LEDIG HOUSING BIDDING PROCESS Arlene Banks, Associate. Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Haskvitz asked what "No Bids" meant. Mrs. Banks stated no one made a bid at all . Commissioner Preston clarified that it did not mean no qualifying bids, but no bids period. Mrs. Banks concurred. HPC MINUTES -4- OCTOBER 5, 1989 Commissioner Preston asked if there was any feedback as to why there were not any bids received. ' Mrs. Banks stated no. Commissioner Preston asked if there was a time schedule established for a new bid procedure. Mrs. Banks stated that the Engineering Division is going to be discussing this with a particular interested party and there is no prospect for another bid process occurring. Commissioner Banks suggested some form of publicity. Mrs. Banks stated that this has been suggested and rejected. She stated that Wilson.street is going to put through in connection with a new development and it could be a requirement of the developer to move it. The Commission concurred that if the interested party decides not to pursue the purchase, some form of publicity should be initiated to inform the public of the status. E. VOLUNTEERS NEEDED TO HELP REVIEW CITY DOCUMENTS FOR ARCHIVES ' Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt asked for volunteers from the Commission. Commissioners Cooper, Arner, and Chairman Schmidt volunteered to help in the reviewing of the documents. Commissioner Banks requested staff to send someone out to look at the rock curbs that are being installed on Etiwanda Avenue. She stated that, at this point, they do not conform to the rock curbs that have been previously installed in accordance with' the guidelines. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, concurred. ANNOUNCEMENTS Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, presented a memorandum from Karen McGuire- Emery, Associate Planner, in Community Services regarding a name for the future Victoria Vineyard South Park. HPC MINUTES -5- OCTOBER 5, 1989 Chairman Schmidt asked who was the original Milliken. Commissioner Arner stated she thought it was Daniel . Commissioner Banks stated she felt Milliken would be too confusing because the park is not on Milliken. She stated that she felt if it was called Milliken Park, people would think that it was on Milliken Avenue. She stated that there are plenty of people to name the park after. Commissioner Preston suggested if not naming it after a person, maybe a citrus label or wine variety. Commissioner Banks concurred. Commissioner Cooper suggested Sultana Park after the type of grapes. that were grown in the area. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested considering it a Memorial Park. Commissioner Banks stated that when she thinks of a Memorial Park, she thinks of a central park, such as Upland Memorial Park. She stated this is a neighborhood park. Commissioner Preston stated that a memorial park is to have significance to the whole community; whereas a neighborhood park is intended to draw from the immediate neighborhood. ' Commissioner Billings stated that this was in the general area of the Ellena Winery and that the location was used for spotting rail box cars and loading boxes of grapes. . He stated it is in the vicinity of where the winery still is. Commissioner Preston stated 'he would support Ellena Park. Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Preston to recommend to the City Council' the name of "Ellena Park" as the name for the future "Victoria Vineyards South" Park. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, PRESTON, COOPER, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: SCHMIDT, ARNER ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE As an alternative: Motion: Moved by Arner, seconded by Banks to recommend to the City Council if the name "Ellena Park" is not acceptable, then "Milliken Park" as an alternative. The motion carried by the following vote: HPC MINUTES' -6- OCTOBER 5, 1989 Commissioner Banks stated that she felt the Milliken's were very important to the community and that something should commemorate them, such as having an Avenue, but that it would be too confusing to have a Milliken Park on anything but Milliken Avenue. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, SCHMIDT, COOPER, HASKVITZ, PRESTON,. BILLINGS NOES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried F. REPORT ON SAN JOSE APA CONFERENCE - (Oral Report) Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, presented report and presented pictures of historic landmark signs. PUBLIC COMMENTS ' There were no comments heard. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8:15 P.M. Respectfully submitted, +Kelyrta Secretary HPC MINUTES -7- OCTOBER 5, 1989 CITY OF RANCHO "CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting September 7, 1989 " Chai.rman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Bob Schmidt, Ada Cooper, Steven Preston, Melicent Arner, Alan Haskvitz (arrived 7:05) COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Marsha Banks, Gene Billings STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Kelly Orta, Secretary; Marti Higgins, Disaster Preparedness Coordinator ' APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion : Moved by Arner, seconded by Preston,_ carried to approve the minutes of August 3, 1989 OLD BUSINESS A. BOUNDARIES OF THE DEMENS-TOLSTOY LANDMARK Arlene -Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report Commissioner Preston referred to the third point of the staff report, which indicated that there still seems to be a good chance that the setting will be retained by future owners. HeTquestioned what the basis for this belief was. Mrs. Banks stated that there have been people interested in purchasing the property who want to retain the whole corner. Mr. Tolstoy can explain further. Chairman Schmidt opened the. public hearing. ' HPC MINUTES -1- SEPTEMBER 7, 1989 Peter Tolstoy, 9540 Hillside Road, Rancho Cucamonga, stated that the lot is one parcel of 3 acres. He stated that the family would like to see the house and the 3 acres sold as one piece to help preserve the nature of the neighborhood. He stated that because of economics and other kinds of considerations, he needs to keep their options open on the 3-acre parcel . He stated that they have found several people that are interested in buying the 3 acres and preserving it as one piece. He stated that in case this is not viable, they want to keep their options open, at the same time wanting to make the house and garden part of the historical scheme. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned if there had been any decision made on rebuilding the house. Mr. Tolstoy stated that as of at this time, they have devised a process in which the house can be replaced. He stated that there will be three phases to that process; 1) feasibility or discovery phase, 2) drawing of plans for the reconstruction and obtaining City's approval and 3) reconstruction itself. He stated that the first phase has already been contracted for. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned if the house would be reconstructed regardless of expenses. Mr. Tolstoy stated that as far as he knows, there is plenty of money to cover what will be required. He stated that it looks now that there is enough to cover it and to bring back the antiques and everything else that was destroyed. He stated there was one thing he would like to add. He stated that he noticed that the staff report suggests that the Commission have a look 1 at what would happen to the 3 acres if it were not sold as a single piece. He stated he would hope as well , the Commission would also want to take a look at the 8 acres around it and when the proposal for that development comes, the Commission might want to look at that so that will blend in with the ambiance of the neighborhood. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, stated that the remaining portion of the 3 acres will remain a Point of Historic Interest. He stated that the entire 3 acres and house is now a Point of Historic Interest. He stated that at the first public hearing, the Commission made a point that they wanted to make sure that the Point of Historic Interest stayed on the 3 acres so that there was some allowance that if an opportunity presented itself to designate the entire site a landmark, it could be done at a later date. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned the possibility of expanding this designation to the entire site. Mr. Henderson stated that Mr. Tolstoy would not support that. HPC MINUTES -2- SEPTEMBER 7, 1989 ' Commissioner Preston suggested a few things the Commission want to add to the motion to accept Exhibit "A". He stated that the Commission might want to re- state for the record that the intent would be to continue to have a Point of Historic Interest designation on the surrounding portion of the 3 acres ; second, any designation of the .89 acres is not binding on the Commission with respect to any future designation of the remaining section of the property if, at some later point, the Commission felt that it became necessary in order to protect the remaining portion of the property, and third, that Commission would like the retention of a view corridor from the street that protects the view of that structure. Mrs. Banks stated that Mr. Tolstoy wants to retain the view corridor. Motion : Moved by Arner, seconded by Preston to recommend to the City Council to accept Exhibit "A" as recommended designated landmark area of the Demens- Tolstoy House with three additions ; 1) that the remaining property continues to be a Point of Historic Interest, 2) that by designated this area as a landmark, it does not preclude designating the entire corner as a landmark in the future and, 3) to be sure that a view corridor to the house remains, no matter what happens in the development of the surrounding area. The motion was carried by the following vote. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, PRESTON, COOPER, SCHMIDT, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ' ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, BILLINGS --carried At this time Chairman Schmidt opened the meeting up to an additional item Mr. Tolstoy wanted to present to the Commission. Mr. Tolstoy stated that when he was in Australia he came across a City that honored some of the pioneers of the area with a group of tiles set in a park with people's names who were pioneers on those pieces of tile. He stated that when he went through the park, he knew none of those people, but found it extremely interesting. He stated he thought this might be a good, inexpensive way to remember important people of our community. PUBLIC HEARINGS r B. REQUEST TO APPROVE LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 89-03 FOR THE CROSWELL HOUSE, 9874 ARROW ROUTE - APN: 208-311-04. Staff recommends tabling this item. ' HPC MINUTES -3- SEPTEMBER 7, 1989 Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Preston questioned if either the . City ordinance ' or State law ' require the Commission act on the request within a specific period of time. Mrs. Banks responded no, but if there is a landmark designation pending, a change cannot be made until there is a decision made by the City Council . Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing no one, Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Motion : Moved by Haskvitz , seconded by Arner, carried, to table Landmark Alteration Permit 89-03 for the Croswell House, 9874 Arrow Route, until there is a completed application received for the condominium project. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, ARNER, PRESTON, COOPER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, BILLINGS --carried NEW BUSINESS C. SUGGESTED LIST OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES TO RECEIVE MILLS ACT INFORMATION ' Arlene Banks, Associate .Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned if the Commission has any liability on the information given, such as if the information given leads to some 'taxation problems. Mrs. Banks stated that the property owner is supplied with the information and the City expects their attorney and/or accountant would work with them. She stated it is all reviewed by the County Assessor's office and makes the determination of what the property tax will be. There was a consensus of the Commission to accept the list as presented. COMMISSION BUSINESS w D. PRESENTATION BY LYNN MERRILL ON DISASTER PREPARATION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, introduced Mr. Lynn Merrill . HPC MINUTES -4- SEPTEMBER 7, 1989 ' Mr. Lynn Merrill , President of the Chaffey Communities Cultural Center, gave his presentation on disaster preparation and historic preservation. PRINCIPAL PLANNER REPORTS Mrs. Banks introduced Mr. John Petrie, associated with Sanderson Jay Ray Developers, who is working on the rehabilitation and finding a tenant for the Thomas Winery building. Mr. Petrie stated he would like to see some of the recommendations from Mr. Merill 's presentation put into practice as far as inventory, photographing, etc . He stated it was their intention most likely develop the Winery as some type of specialty complex which would be able to utilize the artifacts as much as possible. E. UPDATES - ARCHIVES; HAVEN AVENUE INCENSE CEDARS - Oral Report Mrs. Banks reported that a Request for Proposal for a consultant has been sent out to help decide on the furniture for the archives room and a program for acquiring, cataloging and retrieving, etc. of the information. ' Mrs. Banks reported that the Incense Cedars on Haven Avenue has not done very well . She stated that some of the trees have died and the City and contractor have started looking for replacements. ANNOUNCEMENTS Commissioner Haskvitz commended the Fire Department on the handling of the Tolstoy fire. He also thanked Mr. Merrill for his presentation on historic preservation, which he felt was very much needed. He stated he would bring some informational material regarding a new fire retardant paint. PUBLIC COMMENTS Lloyd Almand, Division Chief, Fire Marshall , of the Rancho Cucamonga Fire District stated that some, of not all , of the items Mr. Merrill presented should be incorporated into a plan. He recommended taking a more pro-active r approach to saving buildings, such as the use of residential automatic fire sprinklers. Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, stated that not only do these fire sprinklers turn themselves on , they also turn themselves off to prevent extensive water damage. HPC MINUTES -5- SEPTEMBER 7, 1989 Commissioner Cooper announced that the Rancho Cucamonga Women 's Club will be trying to plant at least 50 to 100 trees in Rancho Cucamonga. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 8:30P..M. Respectfully submitted, C/l v "&C/� Kelly Orta Secretary 1, t HPC MINUTES -6- SEPTEMBER 7, 1989, CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting August 3, 1989 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Bob Schmidt, Ada Cooper, Steven Preston COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Alan Haskvitz STAFF PRESENT: Rick Gomez, Community Development Director; Larry Henderson, Principal Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Kelly Orta, Secretary ' INTRODUCTION OF NEW HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION COMMISSIONER Chairman Schmidt introduced Steven Preston as the new Commissioner. PRESENTATION OF RESOLUTION OF COMMENDATION TO MARJORIE STAMM Chairman Schmidt presented the Resolution of Commendation to Marjorie Stamm. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion : Moved by Banks, seconded by Billings, carried as amended, to approve the minutes of June 1, 1989 and July 6, 1989. (Preston - abstained) PUBLIC HEARINGS C. APROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE CROSWELL HOUSE, 9874 ARROW HIGHWAY, AS A LANDMARK - APN: 208-311-04. HPC MINUTES -1- AUGUST 3, 1989 D. A PROPOSAL TO APPROVE LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 89-03 FOR THE CROSWELL HOUSE, 9874 ARROW HIGHWAY - APN: 208-311-04. Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. 'Commissioner Banks questioned if there were any proposed alterations to the house at this time. Mrs. Banks responded no. She stated that one of the proposals that she had seen had an attached garage, but the last proposal she had seen had no changes proposed. Commissioner Banks questioned what the Landmark Alteration Permit was for. Mrs. Banks responded that the Landmark Alteration Permit is for the area around the building. Commissioner Preston stated that the property to the east has a public notice sign that would suggest that it is scheduled for some sort of apartment or condominium project. Mrs. Banks stated that this was part of the condominium project. Commissioner Preston questioned if the developers intend to use the house for some other purpose, such as facility for the condominium development. Mrs. Banks responded that it is going to be the manager's apartment. ' Commissioner Preston questioned if the amount of property to remain associated with the house is known, or if it was going to be common open space. Mrs. Banks responded that she will be bringing back all of this information,, along with the plans, when the Landmark Alteration Permit is heard. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing noone, Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Motion : Moved by Cooper, seconded by Banks to recommend to the City Council Landmark Designation of the Croswell House, 9874 Arrow Highway and to continue the proposal to approve Landmark Alteration Permit 89-03 for the Croswell House, 9874 Arrow Highway to the September 7, 1989 meeting. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, ARNER, PRESTON NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ --carried HPC MINUTES -2- AUGUST 3, 1989 1 Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, introduced the Community Development Director, Rick Gomez. PRINCIPAL PLANNER REPORTS E. 1989-90 BUDGET ALLOCATION FOR SPECIAL PRESERVATION PROJECTS Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the memorandum. Commissioner Banks questioned if the budget allocations could be carried over to the following year. Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, stated that it can be requested to. carry over the funds. The request is subject to City Council approval . Commissioner Preston questioned if the Old Alta Loma area along Amethyst has been designated as a target area . Mr. Henderson stated that it is not a block grant target area . He stated that the General Plan has carried a policy that a specific plan would be done for the Old Alta Loma area and the City Council identified that staff was to ' prepare a specific plan feasibility study, which Mrs. Banks is just finishing up for City Council review. He stated that this is all tied together to find some budget resources in order to work on that specific plan. UPDATES Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, stated that there has been some discussion regarding the Thomas Winery landscaping plans immediately adjacent to the Winery building. If there is lush landscaping with heavy irrigation adjacent to the Winery, it could be destructive to the adobe in the building. Mrs Banks stated that Commissioner Haskvitz requested that discussion of how to handle emergencies regarding landmarks be put on the September 7, 1989 agenda. Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, stated that the Commission might want to request a report from the City Manager's office on the handling of the Tolstoy fire. 1 HPC MINUTES -3- AUGUST 3, 1989 The Commission concurred to bring this item back on the September 7, 1989 agenda. Commissioner Banks questioned what the status was on the City's implementation of the Mills Act. Mrs. Banks stated that there have been a couple of drafts of a sample agreement. She stated that she is hoping to be able to take it to the next City Council meeting. COMMISSION BUSINESS Commissioner Banks stated that Mrs. Sam Maloof has had a serious heart attack, therefore their home will not be on the Christmas Home Tour. She stated that the committee is seeking a fifth home. ANNOUNCEMENTS There were not any announcements at this time. PUBLIC COMMENT Mrs. Diane Williams , 9251 Amethyst, Rancho Cucamonga, stated she was speaking ' in regard to the Tolstoy fire. She stated that the books, which were a great value, were not totally damaged. She stated that there were some that were soaked, and water does serious damage to books. She explained that there is a specific procedure to follow to save these books and if you make mistakes , you lose the books. She said that the County library did not know what to do. She called the State library and the person she was referred to listed the procedure; she turned over the resources she had found to the person in charge. She stated that there is serious need to incorporate into the City's Disaster Plan, the specifics on what to do if books are wet. She thought that next time, a disaster may not strike during business hours of the State library. The State library is sending her two publications on the preserving of books that she will turn over to Marti Higgins of the City's Disaster Preparedness Department. The other thing they had found was that there is no plan for how to save artwork and no one seemed to know. She stated she was referred to the Photography Department at the University of Riverside for information in this matter. Ms. Williams read a letter from the Friends of the Library requesting procedures for this type of emergency and an offer to the City for any help the City might need. HPC MINUTES -4- AUGUST 3, 1989 Rick Gomez , Community Development Director, introduced himself and stated he was looking forward to the opportunity of working with the Historic Preservation Commission. ADJOURNMENT The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned, at 7 :35 P.M. Respectfully submitted, n, *ecryetaryV Ort HPC MINUTES -5- AUGUST 3, 1989 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting July 6, 1989 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Marsha Banks (arrived 7:05) , Gene Billings , Bob Schmidt, Alan Haskvitz (arrived 7:30) , Ada Cooper, Melicent Arner COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: None STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson , Principal Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Kelly Orta, Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion : Moved by Billings, seconded by Cooper, carried to continue the June 1, 1989 minutes to the August 3, 1989 meeting. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS,, COOPER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, HASKVITZ ABSTAIN COMMISSIONERS: ARNER --carried HPC MINUTES -1- JULY 6, 1989 OLD BUSINESS A. ADJUSTMENT OF MAP OF DEMENS-TOLSTOY LANDMARK (FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES) Arlene Banks , Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks questioned why the eastern line is not straight. Mrs. Banks stated that it was the edge of the drive. Commissioner Banks questioned if the map was going to be recorded this way. Larry Henderson , Principal Planner, stated that that is not the property line. He stated that the property line is the dark line all the way to the left. Mrs. Banks stated that the line can be made straight, but it is listed as t on the exhibit. She stated that it will be 182t square feet and it will be shown on the map where that is . Commissioner Cooper stated that Mr. Tolstoy told her there would be an easement from the corner Up to the house where the drive is. Commissioner Billings concurred.. Commissioner Banks stated that she did not see what good that was going to do now because the southern line cuts off the northern portion of the driveway. ' 1 Mr. Henderson stated that the Commission needs to realize that this is just a designation line, not property or easement lines. He asked if Mr. Tolstoy indicated why he wants the designation this way. Commissioner Billings stated that Mr. Tolstoy stated that they were going to try and keep the circular drive. Mrs. Banks stated that Mr. Tolstoy wanted to designate the house and garden and the only change was on, the western side. The designated area was not to include the trees. Commissioner Banks stated she was under the impression that the western line was where the darkest western-most line is. She stated everything was very squared up with the parcels. Mrs. Banks stated that to the western-most line, it measured the full 230 feet. Mr. Tolstoy drew a line on the map which measured 182 feet. HPC MINUTES -2- JULY 6, 1989 Mr. Henderson stated that the east-west dimension should have been the full 200 feet. He stated that the 230 feet would take it "out to the property line. He stated that it was portrayed to the Commission it was 200 feet and now the east-west dimension is 182 feet, which is a big change. Commissioner Banks stated that she is concerned with the buffer on the west side. Mrs. Banks stated that if the Commission wants to keep it 200 feet, the Commission should enable Mr. Tolstoy to participate in the discussion and not take it to the City Council until this is resolved. There was a consensus of the Commission to bring this item back when Mr. Tolstoy can attend to discuss this issue further. B. HISTORICAL SITES MAP Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks suggested making all Landmarks one color. Mrs. Banks stated she wondered if it would make it too confusing to have Potential Local , and then Potential State and National and then have Designated Landmarks and Designated Points of Historic Interest. ' Commissioner Banks stated that if something is going to City Council for consideration, they will be given documentation that the Commission feels it could be a Potential National Landmark, thereby not necessarily indicated on the map. Larry Henderson, Principal Planner, questioned why symbols have not been used instead of colors. Mrs. Banks stated that for trees , they were going to have a line of little polygons. Mrs. Banks questioned if the Commission would like to go to symbols. Commissioner Banks stated she liked the color and it is easier to read. She stated she also liked.the idea of using diagonal lines. She stated she would change the order of using a widely spaced diagonal for a Status Undetermined and then it gets more narrow if its Potential and then it gets filled in if it's already designated. HPC MINUTES -3- JULY 6 , 1989 There was a consensus of the Commission to use colors, but to use symbols for trees, walls and small objects; the brightest colors should be items that are already designated ; when it is a building, the whole assessor's parcel be •colored; fewer categories; and a gradation from Undetermined to Potential to Designated with Designated being solid. NEW BUSINESS C. REVIEW OF RESOLUTION OF COMMENDATION FOR MARJORIE STAMM Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the Resolution for review. Motion : Moved by Banks, seconded by Arner to adopt and sign the Resolution of Commendation as presented for Marjorie Stamm and present it to her at the August 3, 1989 meeting. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, ARNER, SCHMIDT, BILLINGS, COOPER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ --carried COMMISSION BUSINESS None was heard at this time. ANNOUNCEMENTS D. UPDATES ON THE 'THOMAS WINERY, THE LORD HOUSE, THE CROSWELL HOUSE, PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC GRAPE VINEYARDS, NEW APPOINTMENT, AND MILLS ACT Arlene Banks, Associate Planner presented the staff report. Information received by the Commission. E. BIG BEAR WINERY: INTENTION OF DEVELOPER TO DEMOLISH ENTIRE SITE AND DONATE WOOD SIDING TO ETIWANDA HISTORIC SOCIETY - Oral Report Arlene Banks, Associate Planner,, presented a letter from the developer agreeing to donate the wood siding to the Etiwanda Historic Society. HPC MINUTES -4- JULY 6, 1989 The Commission approved the letter with the deletion of the word "red" from "redwood" and Chairman Schmidt signed it. Chairman Schmidt brought up the issue of Santolucito's property. He stated that it was his understanding that the road widening precludes the Commission doing anything about it. Larry Henderson, Principal' Planner, stated that was correct. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested directing a letter to them acknowledging the receipt of the letter, Motion : Moved by Haskvi.tz, seconded by Billings to direct staff to prepare a letter acknowledging the receipt of the letter and explaining the Commission's position on the matter. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HA.SKVITZ, BILLINGS, COOPER, SCHMIDT, ARNER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS ' --carried The Commission expressed concern over incorrect information in a brochure that was included in their packets. Commissioner Cooper requested that staff prepare a letter letting the author of the article know that some of the information is incorrect. Commissioner Banks stated that she felt it was more the Rains House Society responsibility to correct this information. Motion: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Haskvitz to direct staff to prepare a letter informing the author of the incorrect information. Corrections would be given to staff by the Commission. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT, BANKS, ARNER, BILLINGS NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE HPC MINUTES -5- JULY 6, 1989 PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no comments at this time. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 7:55 P.M. Resp ctfully submitted, e11y to Secretary HPC MINUTES -6- JULY 6, 1989 CITY OF ,RANCHO CUCAMONGA ' HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting June 1 , 1989 ' Chairman Bob Schmidt called the ' Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation. Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held - at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line ,Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Marsha Banks,. Gene Billings, Bob Schmidt, Alan Haskvitz (arrived '7:05) , Ada Cooper COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Melicent Arner STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson , Senior Planner; Kelly Orta, Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Billings, carried to approve the minutes of May 4, 1989. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING - A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE DEMENS-TOLSTOY HOUSE, 9686 HILLSIDE ROAD, RANCHO CUCAMONGA, AS A LANDMARK - APN: 1061- 561-03. Larry Henderson , Senior Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Peter Demehs Tolstoy, 9540 Hillside Road, stated he would like to commend the staff on the diligence of their work, especially Arlene Banks, Larry Henderson, Otto, Kroutil , and Brad Buller. He stated that one of the wishes of his family is that the house be designated as a landmark. He stated that because there are two trusts and one probate, he could only offer the garden and house, and cannot offer the remaining part of the 3 acres that the house ' HPC MINUTES -1- JUNE 1, 1989 is situated on. He stated that the hope is that in the future, the 3 acres will be sold with the house and that the whole property would be designated. He stated that the citrus on the property is between 90 and 100 years old, and' ' is no longer viable economically since no grove services are available. He stated that the vineyard is rather new and with only one place around to crush the grapes, which makes the vineyard economically not viable. He stated that the citrus and vineyards are only viable in preserving the neighborhood the way the family would like it to be preserved, but unfortunately this may not be able to be worked out. He stated that he would like the Commission to declare that part of the property that he knows he can preserve at this point. He stated he had one change to the map. He stated that the east-west dimension of 230± feet is actually about 200± feet. He stated that he would like to have the Resolution to the City Council changed also. He re-assured the Commission that the family is going to do all they can to preserve the whole 3 acres. Commissioner Cooper questioned whether there was going to be an easement so that there would be access to the house. Mr. Tolstoy responded that this will occur. He stated that they want to preserve the circular drive as 'best as possible and that there will be two drives. Commissioner Banks questioned if the shaded area on A-4 is accurate and just the dimension wrong. Mr. Tolstoy responded no, that the shaded area is also wrong. He stated that ' he would like to preserve the driveway, but that it may be impossible to preserve two rows of trees. Commissioner Banks questioned if the westerly line is moving east or the easterly line moving west, or both coming in. Mr. Tolstoy stated no. He stated that on the west, the driveway is approximately what they are trying to include. Commissioner Banks stated that the 200 feet would include the most easterly row of trees and exclude two rows to the west. Mr. Tolstoy concurred. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned if the trees in that area are all 70 years old. Mr. Tol.stoy responded that to the best of his knowledge, they have to be 90 years old. He stated he was not sure on the dates. HPC MINUTES' -2- JUNE 1, 1989 , r Commissioner Cooper stated that Mr. Tolstoy's grandfather signed the Cucamonga Citrus Association Book in 1896 and that Mr. Tolstoy's mother verified the 1 signature. Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission 's concern was not to acquire as much land as possible, but to keep the view of the house open for public view. She stated that their concern was that the corner of Archibald and Hillside be opened, even if it was a strip along the driveway. She stated she understood the problems that are occurring and that the family will continue to try to see that this comes about. But, if this cannot happen and the land that is not shaded does get developed, then the concern becomes the development of that property and can the houses be situated and qualifications be put on the height of the development that they be of a nature that does not obscure the view of the house. Mr. Tolstoy stated that he can guarantee that he will do all he can to preserve the view of the house. He stated there have been several people interested in buying the property with the idea of putting houses on the four lots around the house and he stated they have rejected those. He stated there is one developer interested and he is very sensitive to this and when the property is sold, there will be a deed restriction as best as possible. He stated that the plan the developer is talking about would leave quite a corridor to the house. He stated that decisions will not be made for several months. He stated that any development on this property will be handled with great sensitivity. ' Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Banks asked Larry Henderson what the process was within the City that the Commission can work with to see that their concerns are addressed. Mr. Henderson responded that the Planning Commission will be well aware of it because it will still carry the Historic Point of Interest. He stated it will come back to the Commission with staff indicating receipt .of the parcel map. Commissioner Banks questioned if the parcel map would be approved before the Historic Preservation Commission had a chance to review it. Mr. Henderson stated no. He stated it would come back to the Commission as an informational item indicating that the parcel map as been received and it now time to re-examine how much of the site should be left as a Point of Historic Interest. He stated that this does not legally affect whether or not it is reviewed by the Planning Commission. Commissioner Banks questioned if the Commission 's concerns could be relayed to the Planning Commission so they would courteously refer it back to the Historic Preservation Commission. ' HPC MINUTES -3- JUNE 1, 1989 Chairman Schmidt re-opened the public hearing. Mr. Tolstoy referred to a previous staff report and the recommendations, which ' would become part of the motion. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Motion : Moved by Billings, seconded - by Cooper, to recommend Landmark Designation of the Demens-Tolstoy House, 9686 Hillside Road, Rancho Cucamonga, to the City Council and change the east-west dimension from 230+ to 200+ feet and request that if the remaining land is to be developed, that the Planning Commission refer it back to the Historic Preservation Commission for review. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, COOPER, BANKS, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER --carried NEW BUSINESS B. PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF ARAIZA HOUSE, 9442 19TH STREET ' Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the meeting for public discussion. The property owner stated that the house is built over a cellar and has also been added on onto the whole back side of the house. Chairman Schmidt closed the meeting for public discussion. Commissioner Banks stated that her husband is related to the Araizas and she has a name of someone that has documented the Araiza family history. She stated that the house appears to be 1920's house. She stated that she felt the Commission should pursue getting information about the house and if the information leads to anything, then try to get it on the agenda for a public hearing. If the Commission does not find out anything else about it, or anything that would indicate that was the original Araiza House, she does not even feel that it is an excellent example of a Craftsman style house. Mr. Henderson questioned about the site itself. HPC MINUTES -4- JUNE 1, 1989 ' Commissioner Banks responded possibly a Point of Historic Interest. Commissioner Cooper stated that Hazel told her the house that was on San Bernardino Road was the house her grandparents lived in. Commissioner Banks stated that her husband 's grandmother concurred with this. She stated that the Araiza family should be noted and designated someplace in the community, but she was not even sure if this is house to do it. Commissioner Cooper stated the site on San Bernardino is the one that should be noted. Commissioners Banks and Billings concurred. Commissioner Banks stated that she feels the Commission should ask Arlene Banks to pursue investigating the house with a cut-off date and if no information is known after this date, the Commission would not pursue it any further. Commissioner Haskvitz stated that he could not see anything that could be discovered changing it. Commissioner Billings stated that if anything is designated as far as the Araiza family is concerned as a Point of Historic Interest is the San Bernardino Road site. He stated that he felt that the house on 19th Street ' was their house when they first arrived when there were no children. He stated that they needed room and moved to the one on San Bernardino Road . He stated that when the children left, they moved across the street on San Bernardino Road . Mr. Henderson clarified that it sounds like the Commission would like Mrs. Banks to continue to research this family and to actually identify where the children were raised and bring the information back, but that this site does not warrant further study. Motion : Moved by Cooper, seconded by Billings to take this item off the Survey List. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER --carried HPC MINUTES -5- JUNE 1 , 1989 The Commission directed staff to investigate the Araiza family further and bring the information back to the them. COMMISSION BUSINESS C. MINUTES OF APRIL 28, 1989 INTERVIEW WITH MR. HEATH Minutes received and filed. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested that maybe the Commission might want to videotape these interviews in the future. Commissioner Cooper stated that this has already been started. Commissioner Haskvitz stated that maybe a list should be prepared of possible people to interview to help out Chaffey College. Commissioner Billings stated that Chaffey College is working on this now. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested drafting, a , letter to Chaffey College expressing the Commission appreciation for this project. Mr. Henderson suggested bringing this item back to the Commission in the form of a staff report informing the Commission on what the status is of the oral history program. , The Commission directed staff to do so. ANNOUNCEMENTS D. UPDATES:. CROSSWELL HOUSE THOMAS WINERY MINOR HOUSE BIG BEAR WINERY AND OTHERS Oral Report Updates received and filed. Commissioner Banks requested putting a condition on the seller or buyer of the Big Bear Winery property that they salvage the siding and donate it to the restoration of the Chaffey Garcia Barn. She stated it would be quicker for them to tear it down and save the siding for the Chaffey Garcia House. Commissioner Billings announced that he felt Kelly Arta, Secretary, did a good job on transcribing the interview with Mr. Heath. H,PC MINUTES -6- JUNE 1, 1989 Commissioner Haskvitz questioned if the Commission had any source of funding that could be applied to purchasing land to move houses on . Mr. Henderson responded that there was none in this budget year. He stated that there was some in the preliminary budget, but that was cut. He stated that they were able to get a commitment from Redevelopment to set aside $40,000 to move structures. Commissioner Banks questioned if that could also be used to acquire land. Mr. Henderson stated that if they were going to acquire land, it had to be part of a redevelopment project. He stated that the Redevelopment Agency had looked at using the outside perimeter of Central City Park for the moving of structures to be used by non-profit groups and use the money that Redevelopment had set aside to move the structures and rehabilitate them. Commissioner Billings stated that they have done something like this in Edmonton, Canada. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned if the land that the 4th Street Rock Crusher is using can be used by the City for the relocation of structures when they are finished mining. Mr. Henderson stated that this land would return to County Flood Control 's jurisdiction. PUBLIC COMMENT There was no comment at this time. ADJOURNMENT: The Historic Preservation Commission adjourned at 8:15 P.M. lRespe tf/u/lly�subAmitted, Kly0ta Secretary HPC MINUTES -7- JUNE 1, 1989 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting May 4, 1989 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Mel icent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Bob Schmidt, Alan Haskvitz, Ada Cooper STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Kelly Orta, Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Billings, carried to approve the minutes of March 2, 1989. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING - A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE DEMENS-TOLSTOY HOUSE, 968b HILL51DE ROAD, RANCHO CUCAMONGA, As A LANDMARK - APN: - Recommendation to continue to June 1, 1989 to enable staff to work on design alternatives. Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Motion: Moved by Billings , seconded by Arner to continue a Proposal to Designate the Demens-Tolstoy House, 9686 Hillside Road, Rancho Cucamonga, as a Landmark to June 1, 1989. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, ARNER, SCHMIDT, COOPER, HASKVITZ, BANKS NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried HPC MINUTES -1- MAY 4, 1989 NEW BUSINESS 8. STATUS REPORT ON PRESERVATION PROJECTS Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks questioned the information regarding the Mills Act. She questioned why the letters of explanation were only to being sent to selected properties and not all existing landmarks or potential landmarks. Mrs. Banks stated that this would be a first step. She stated that if it was sent to all of them, some would be disappointed because their property would not qualify as landmarks. She stated that she would be sending it to all existing landmarks. She stated that she plans to bring the Mills Act information to the City Council meeting on June 21, 1989. The Commission concurred that they are excited about the City of Rancho Cucamonga being one of the first and only cities to do this. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated he had .suggested that next year Mrs. Banks should talk to the American Planning Association, California Chapter, about sponsoring legislation to improve the Act and clarify the language in the Act. COMMISSION BUSINESS C. REPORT ON 1989 CALIFORNIA PRESERVATION FOUNDATION CONFERENCE (Bob Schmidt) Chairman Schmidt stated that the conference was wonderful . It was in a good location, the tours were well done, everything was convenient, and there was very interesting architecture. He stated it was a great learning experience. Commissioner Banks stated she would like to see some positive publicity done on the City and its work on the Mills Act. Mrs. Banks stated that some publicity has already been done and she would continue to respond to this request. ANNOUNCEMENTS D. UPDATES ON CROSSWELL HOUSE, ALTA LOMA SCHOOL, FISHER HOUSE, AND COMMISSION VACANCY ( oral epor Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, announced that the Crosswell House on Arrow, although not made a landmark, is being incorporated into the condominium project and goes before the Design Review Committee on May 18th . HPC MINUTES -2- MAY 4, 1989 Mrs. Banks announced that the Alta Loma School has been purchased by a church group. She stated that they have brought in a preliminary plan that does not show anything but a new parking lot and landscaping. She stated that Mr. Carelli , who submitted the plans, stated that they are interested in a phased program of rehabilitation to restore it back to something close to what it originally looked like. Mrs. Banks announced that Mr. Barmakian has been talking to Mr. Flocker about . the possibility of moving the Fisher House south, close to the corner of Etiwanda Avenue and Base Line. She stated that this is still very preliminary. Mrs. Banks announced that Administrative Assistant, Diane O'Neal , was sent a list of people in professions such as planning, architecture, interior design, and landscape architecture who live in Rancho Cucamonga to receive notices of the Commission vacancy. ' Mrs. Banks announced that she had been in contact with Duane Baker in the Administration Department regarding a letter to the Commission Chair from the City Council requesting a meeting with all of the Commissions, including the Historic Preservation Commission. Mr. Baker requested the Historic Preservation Commission 's thoughts as ,to meeting with the CityCouncil once a year to facilitate communication. The Commission concurred that this was a good idea. Commissioner Banks remarked regarding the Commission vacancy that if letters were sent to professionals that were encouraged to apply, letters also should be sent to some of the applicants from the last vacancy that were rated particularly high in the interview. Mrs. Banks stated that there is a file in the Administration office that she would check to see if individual letters were sent. Mr. Henderson stated that he thought there were letters sent out because one of the individuals on the list, Steve Preston, City Planner for the City La Verne has expressed an interest. He was .on the Historical Commission in Glendale. HPC MINUTES -3- MAY 4, 1989 Mrs. Banks announced that the latest issue of the Grapevine introduces the Historic Preservation Commission and also has an article on the Rains House. She .stated that it names the Landmarks and Points of Interest that have been designated over the past year or so up to the date of publication of the issue. - Mrs. Banks announced that the artifacts at the Thomas Winery will be put into containers and moved away from the Souplantation parking lot to protect them better. Mrs. Banks announced that the City is receipt of a preliminary application for 9680 San Bernardino Road. She stated that Larry Beck is interested in converting that property into a combination residence and photography studio. Commissioner Cooper questioned if he wanted to tear it down. Mrs. Banks stated that after discussing options with staff, he did,not want to tear it down. Mr. Henderson stated that this is so because the property is zoned residential and not office or commercial . He stated that Mr. Beck's business is next door and he had been thinking about using the property at 9680 San Bernardino Road for a photo studio for his son. Mr. Beck originally wanted to get a zone ' change and tear the building the down and build a whole new building, but this would mean a spot zoning, which he was told was not realistic. Mr. Beck was told that the Development Code allows adaptive re-use on the building, and a. photo studio appears to fit the intent of the Code. Mrs Banks stated that Mr. Beck is getting really excited about the house and is thinking about living in it himself. Commissioner Schmidt announced that Commissioner Haskvitz is being honored Saturday evening and invited anyone to attend. Commissioner Cooper questioned if Estacia Court was being forgotten. Mrs. Banks stated that it has not been forgotten. She stated that Estacia Court was an item that she was waiting for the City map for to work with . Mr. Henderson stated that the map is available now. Mrs. Banks stated that she would add this to the list of Special Projects. HPC MINUTES -4- MAY 4, 1989 PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no comments at this time. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 7:30 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Kelly 'Arta Secretary HPC MINUTES -5- MAY 4, 1989 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Interview with Mr. John Russell Heath Lion 's Park Community Center April 28, 1989 ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Ada Cooper, Bob Schmidt, Gene Billings COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Marsha Banks, Alan Haskvitz STAFF PRESENT: Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Kelly Orta, Secretary OTHERS PRESENT: Betty Mc Nay, Community Foundation; Mr. Smith., Mr. Heath 's Stepson Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, introduced Mr. Heath and his stepson, Mr. ' Smith . She announced that Mr. Heath had a raisin vineyard and is available for questions. Mrs. Banks requested background information as to where the vineyard was, when it was growing, what Mr. Heath 's role was in it and any people he would care to discuss. Mr. Heath stated that he remembered back in the early days, Colonel Post and Mr. Heath 's grandfather, Dr. Graham lived in Cheyenne when they had heard about California and came to the Jonathan Club in Los Angeles to raise cattle. At that time, someone told them about Cucamonga and that it was a wonderful place to grow grapes. They were told that all you have to do is put the seed down and that's it. They were told there was underground water that come down from Cucamonga Peak. Mr. Heath stated that after they had heard this, Colonel Post and Dr. Graham came to Cucamonga around Haven Avenue. Colonel Post put his grapes there and built his winery (Mission Winery) and Dr. Graham put his grapes down by the railroad tracks. Dr. Graham had raisin grapes instead of wine grapes. He stated they used to take the grapes to be stemmed in Ontario. He stated they would put them in 100 pound boxes and take them to the grocers. He stated that Colonel Post got everything all started with his wine grapes and then he had heard that they were going to put prohibition in. Colonel Post became -1- worried because he only had wine grapes. He then decided to sell the winery and go to San Francisco to grow vegetables. Colonel Post did not like it up there and came back down to Cucamonga. Mr. Heath- stated he remembered going out to Los Angeles along Arrow Highway when there was nothing but trees and smudge pots and turning around and coming back because his grandpa didn 't want to go into the smog. Mr. Heath stated he remembered the Milliken girls building a place across from theirs on Haven Avenue. He stated that they were out there either right before or right after. He stated that his father built a concrete house on Haven Avenue. He stated that most of the people that were growing grapes at that time got scared because of prohibition coming in. Mr. Heath stated he took over his family's vineyard for a while and decided he did not want to live there for very long and sold it and moved into the city. Mrs. Banks questioned what year that was. Mr. Heath stated that it was around 1946 or so. Commissioner Cooper stated that Miss Milliken had the building at the corner of what is now Arrow Highway and Haven which is gone. Mr. Heath stated that the highway was not there when he was there. When they decided to put it through, the people in the area did not want it put there. , He stated that he went to San Bernardino to try to stop it, but he couldn 't. Mr. Heath stated their property went from the railroad tracks up to Milliken 's place. Commissioner Cooper questioned if the Santolucitos were here when he was. Mr. Heath stated that they were. Commissioner Arner questioned if the his house was near Arrow Highway and if the house is still there. Mr. Heath stated that the house was near Arrow Highway. Mr. Smith stated that the last time-he had seen the house was in the 1930's. He did not think the house was still there or know what had happened to it. Commissioner Cooper stated that this could have been the house on the east side of Haven. Mr. Heath stated it was a concrete house, two-story, with steps on the outside so they could go up onto the roof. He stated the house was traded for some property on Kingsley in Hollywood. -2- Mrs. Banks asked what Mr. Heath 's father name was. Mr. Heath responded his grandfather's name was Dr. E. D. Graham. He stated his father's name was Robert Newton Heath and he was from Wyoming. He stated his mother's name was Mary E. Commissioner Arner asked if Mr. Heath remembered the size of the vineyard. Mr. Heath stated a full section, 640 acres. He stated that he remembers how hard it was for him to walk from the vineyard to the house. He stated they used cheese cloth about 18 inches wide between the vines. He stated he remembered his father getting worried about the rain coming and spoiling the grapes under the cloth. He stated that had Mexicans come and pick the grapes. Commissioner Arner asked Mr. Heath if he was born here. Mr. Heath stated he was born in Cheyenne, Wyoming. He stated his grandfather and Colonel Post moved to California in the early 1900's or before. Mrs. Banks asked if the raisins were a brand name. Mr. Heath responded that they were Sultana grapes. Mrs. Banks asked if they were sold in bulk. ' Mr. Heath responded that they were stemmed and dried and boxed in 25 pound boxes. Commissioner Cooper asked if the stemmer was Van fleet. Mr, Heath ,stated yes. Mrs. Banks asked if Mr. Heath was related to Colonel Post. Mr. Heath stated no, that Colonel Post and his grandfather were very close friends in Cheyenne. Commissioner Arner asked Mr. Heath if his father had the ranch before he did. Mr. Heath stated yes. He stated his father and grandfather passed away in Los Angeles. He stated he only ran the ranch for about 6 months. Mrs. Banks asked if Mr. Heath remembered any big windstorms. Mr. Heath stated that they had some pretty good windstorms. Mrs. Banks asked if they had a good crop every year. -3- Mr. Heath stated yes. He stated the only thing they were afraid of was getting heavy rains in September, but they never got caught in the rains. Mr. Heath then explained some of the photographs. He stated Mr. Harold Cook was his cousin. He stated that Buffalo Bill and Mr. Cook, Mr. Heath 's uncle, used to punch cattle in the northern part of Texas. Mr. Heath stated that the Indians used to come down and visit his grandfather. He stated they had no problems with the Indians or Mexicans. Commissioner Arner asked Mr: Heath if any of his relatives attended school in the area. Mr. Heath stated they attended school in Los Angeles. He stated that they attended church regularly in the area. Mrs. Banks asked Mr. Heath if he remembered when his father built the concrete house. Mr. Heath stated about 1912 or so. He really wasn 't sure. He stated his grandfather lived on Arlington Avenue in Los Angeles and went back and forth to the winery. He stated that when his father.took over the winery, he built the house. There were no more questions. The interview was concluded. Respe tfully submitted, ' Kelly OrtV Secretary -4- CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting April 6, 1089 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Bob Schmidt, Alan Haskvitz, Ada Cooper (arrived 7:10 p.m.) STAFF PRESENT: Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Pam Ledbetter, Assistant Park Planner; Kelly Orta, Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES ' Motion: Moved by Billings, seconded by Banks, abstained by Haskvitz to approve the minutes of March 2, 1989 PUBLIC HEARINGS A. LANDMARK DESIGNATION 89-01 - THE DEMENS-TOLSTOY HOUSE - A proposal to designate the emens- o s oy House, 9bbb HiTTsl'ffe oa , Rancho Cucamonga, as a Landmark - APN: 1061-561-03. (Continued from March 2, 1989) Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing no response, Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Haskvitz stated he had difficulty visualizing how the property would be subdivided and what citrus and grapes would be left intact. Mrs. Banks stated that the map is approximate because the exact lines of the subdivision are not known. She stated that Mr. Tol.stoy wanted to have the property designated as a Landmark to protect the building and as much as the land as possible before it is sold. HPC MINUTES -1- APRIL 6, 1989 Commissioner Haskvitz stated that the view of the front and side of the house should be saved. Commissioner Banks stated that this would be difficult. She stated that once you take out the lot on Hillside shown on Exhibit "A", she would find it hard to keep the house visible. Commissioner Billings stated the lots on Archibald Avenue would block it also. Commissioner Banks stated that the house would not be visible if the subdivision was done according to Exhibit "A". Commissioner Arner questioned if the little piece from Hillside to the house was needed for access. Mrs. Banks stated that it was more of a view corridor to leave open so that from the southeast, you would be able to look in and see the house. She stated that if the Commission wanted to change the dimensions of the map, this item would need to be continued to give Mr. Tolstoy an opportunity to review. Commissioner Billings stated 'that both proposals eliminate the arch driveway, which is a beautiful setting to the house. He stated Exhibit "B" would include a portion of that driveway. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned how much control the Commission had. Mrs. Banks stated that if Mr. Tolstoy does not agree with the borders ' recommended by the Commmission, he would relay that to 'the City Council who have the power to approve the boundaries of the landmark. Commissioner Haskvitz stated that half of the value of this house is the setting. Commissioner Banks stated she saw eliminating one lot on Exhibit "A", either the lot directly south or the lot directly southeast. She stated that either way there would be visibility. She stated she had serious doubts that the house would have any visibility with houses on either one of the lots. Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Arner to continue Landmark Designation 89-01 - The Demens-Tolstoy House, to give the applicant time to respond to the Commission 's suggestion of eliminating one lot from his Exhibit "A" to provide greater visibility of the house to the May 4, 1989 meeting. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, ARNER, COOPER, SCHMIDT, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS:. NONE --carried ' HPC MINUTES -2- APRIL 6, 1989 B. LANDMARK DESIGNATION 89-02 - THE HIPPARD RANCH - A proposal to designate e Hippard Kanch, - c. oria Street, as a Landmark APN: 227-121 22. Commissioner Banks excused herself, as this item and Item C are related to her property. Arlene Banks, 'Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing no response, Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. There were not any questions from the Commission. Motion: Moved by Arner, seconded by Haskvitz to recommend to the City Council approval of Landmark Designation 89-02 - The Hippard Ranch. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, HASK VITZ, COOPER, SCHMIDT, BILLINGS NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ' ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: BANGS --carried C. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 89-02 - THE HIPPARD RANCH - A request for a Landmark era ion Permit for the Hippard Kanch, 1 Victoria Street, Rancho Cucamonga - APN: 227-121-22. Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Arner questioned why the recommendation to use square logs instead of round logs. She stated they would be able to tell the difference between the old structure and the new structure. She stated that she felt it was not necessary. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Mr. Jim Banks, owner of Hippard Ranch, questioned who will be the person determining changes are major or not major. He stated he would like to have the authority vested in one person. HPC MINUTES -3-• APRIL 6, 1989 Mr. Banks stated that their intentions are to do the utmost to preserve the historical integrity of the house. He stated Hippard Ranch was owned by the Hippard family from 1882 to 1960 with one owner between the Hippard family and themselves. He stated that this house is humble and small . He stated that the , courtyard had a huge mountain of dirt and when that was removed, they found a pond. He stated that they have replaced all of the windows and doors with original looking windows and doors. He stated that they have restored a lot of the log pergola and added to it .where needed. He. stated that everything they remodeled, they have tried to keep in mind the historical integrity of the house and not change anything that would jeopardize that integrity. He stated that they need more room to move around with four in the family. They would like to have more than one bathroom, indoor laundry facilities, forced air heat, air conditioning, but more than anything, they would like to.;have sleeping, quarters that are structurally safe. He stated that what they are planning to do will not only preserve the house, but increase its value and intend to make it a more preservable and desirable commodity in the future. He stated that he hoped they are encouraging other people in the community to take old things and fix them up. Commissioner Arner questioned if Mr. Banks had asked Mr. Hippard where the rocks to build the house had come from. Mr. Banks responded that Mr. Hippard had told him the rocks came from the east and west washes of Etiwanda. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Billings stated that looking at the concept of the addition, you , do not see the new part at all from the street. He stated that you will be able to tell which is the new section and the historical part. Motion: Moved by Billings, seconded by Arner to approve Landmark Alteration Permit 89-02 and have the final architectural details worked out by Brad Buller, City Planner, the architect and the applicant. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, ARNER, HASK VITZ, COOPER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: BANGS --carried Commissioner Banks resumed her seat. HPC MINUTES -4- APRIL 6, 1989 NEW BUSINESS D. REQUEST FROM COMMUNITY SERVICES DESIGN COMMITTEE FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION ON PARK NAME AND PLAQUE WORDING - L;KLLKSIDE" PARK Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks stated she had contacted Maxine Strane who is very familiar with the area and she stated that Tiburcio Tapia was the person who obtained the land grant and was very important person in the community and that the City has nothing in the community with his name. She stated that naming the park "Tiburcio Tapia" is a way to educate the community. Commissioner Arner stated that maybe another name might be Rancheria Cucamongabit after the mission fathers. Chairman Schmidt suggested Tapia Park. Commissioner Arner suggested Tiburcio Tapia Park, which would be shortened to Tapia Park. Commissioner Haskvitz concurred with Tapia Park. Commissioner Banks stated , that Tapia is too close to the word tapa cloth, ' which is a South Pacific way of pounding bark into cloth. Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Arner to recommend the name of the park to be Tiburcio Tapia Park. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANGS, ARNER, SCHMIDT, HASKVITZ-, COOPER, BILLINGS NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried Commissioner Arner questioned the wording about the Indians being here since before the first century. Chairman Schmidt stated that there is known to be a break about the 12th century. Commissioner Banks stated that when research was done for the calendar, they stated about the` 1200 A.D. She stated that when she talked to Maxine Strane, she was informed that the adobe was an adobe fortress. HPC MINUTES -5- APRIL 6, 1989 Commissioner Haskvitz stated that the only comment he had was to remove the last sentence, since it was just a rumor. Commissioner Banks suggested saying "It is rumored that he buried a chest of gold somewhere in the area". Commissioner Haskvitz stated that it does not have anything to do with the marker. The Commission concurred to eliminate the last sentence because he is not being honored for the lost gold. Commissioner Banks stated that there might be some plaques placed discussing the lost gold and other information. Mrs. Banks requested a last reading of the wording The Commission concurred on the recommended wording to be: "This monument marks part of the historic area known as Red Hill . The first white men arrived here in the 1700's where the native Indians had lived for centuries. In 1839, Tiburcio Tapia was granted a 13,000 acre rancho by the Mexican government and selected the southern ridge of Red Hill for his adobe fortress. He planted a small vineyard, crops, and raised livestock. The Commission concurred that the words of "Historic Landmark:' should be at the top of the plaque. Pam Ledbetter;=Assistant Park Planner, stated she would be available to answer any questions. Commissioner Banks questioned waht the size of the park would be. Ms. Ledbetter said it is just under ,3 acres. She then described the boundaries of the park. • Commissioner Arner questioned if drought-resistant trees and plants .are being considered. Ms. Ledbetter stated yes. She stated the turf areas have been limited to the smaller interior -pockets. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested giving some input on the types of plantings . Commissioner Cooper stated that it should be up to the homeowners in the area. Commissioner Arner stated that the drought tolerant plantings would fit with the name. HPC MINUTES -6- APRIL 6, 1989 Motion: Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Billings to recommend that the plantings be historically appropriate and, to the extent possible, native plants. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HASK VITZ, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, ARNER, BANKS NOES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried COMMISSION BUSINESS E. DISCUSSION OF CHINATOWN HOUSE Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, represented the ,staff report. Chairman Schmidt stated that before a decision is made, they need to have a meeting with the City Engineer and see the inside. He stated that the building may not be able to take the pounding of people in and out. Commissioner Haskvitz stated he liked the idea. Commissioner Billings stated that the reason the Cucamonga County Water District bought the land was to expand their parking. He stated that for safety's sake, the house ,was boarded up.. He stated that the District found in trying to pursue putting in a parking area, the City responded that they must have a street or alley extension of Estacia, which would ruin their plans for a parking lot. He stated that he 'would like to have a report to see if the building is structurally -sound enough . Commissioner Banks stated that she had not developed an opinion on this. She stated she would be amazed if they came up with the money for a City museum. She would not like to see City money spent on this and not on the Chaffey- Garcia House. She stated that the Cucamonga County Water District has all of the old records for all_ of the old water companies. She stated that all of these records are not going to fit in the new City Hall archive room. She stated that maybe this house could be used for storage and research of these documents. Chairman Schmidt stated he would like to see maybe a children 's museum. The Commission concurred to direct staff to pursue the idea and set up a meeting with the structural expert to review the house. HPC MINUTES -7- APRIL 6, 1989 Commissioner Banks stated she would like to see a future item placed on an agenda dealing with house moves. She stated she felt it was amazing that the City could lose houses of more historical value in the area and yet have people move houses like the one moved from Pasadena. She would like to start exploring' the idea of making it difficult to move houses into the community versus making it advantageous to move within the community. Mrs. Banks stated that she would look into it. ANNOUNCEMENTS: F. CALIFORNIA PRESERVATION FOUNDATION RESERVATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE FOR APRILZU-ZJ CONFERENCE. Information received. Mrs. Banks announced that the Community Foundation sponsored an oral history workshop on Saturday and there was a tape made of the presentation which is available through the Administration Department. Mrs. Banks announced that she met with the Thomas Winery project director and the architect;;-John Loomis, and has brought the illustration boards that were approved for,the design and colors. Commissioner Banks stated she did not like the white lamp posts and suggested making them black. Mrs. Banks announced that Andrew Barmakian is tentatively interested in moving the Fisher House and has contacted Mr. Flocker. Commissioner Billings questioned the location Mr. Barmakian intended to move it to Mrs. Banks responded a little to the south,, close to the corner. Mrs.. Banks asked for any information the Commission had on the houses at 8591 Grove, 9397 Lomita, 12601. Foothill , 12573 Foothill and 8387 19th. HPC MINUTES -8- APRIL 6, 1989 Mrs. Banks announced that she received some photographs of old raisin farms in Cucamonga. She stated there is a 98 year old man, John Heath, who was a raisin rancher and remembers the ranching days. Mr. Al Smith, his stepson, said he would be willing to bring Mr. Heath out to interview him. Mrs. Banks would like to set up a time with members of the Commission to meet with him. PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no comments at this time. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 8:40 p.m. Resp tfully submitted, K61ly /ta Secretary 1 HPC MINUTES -9- APRIL 6, 1989 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting March 2, 1989 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Bob Schmidt, COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Kelly Orta, Secretary. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Billings, carried to approve the minutes of February .2, 1989 as amended. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE DEMENS-TOLSTOY HOUSE, 9686 HILLSIDE ROAD,, lUbl-561-03. Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, stated that Mr. Tolstoy could not attend the. meeting and that he want to build .some flexibility into the dimensions of the landmark boundaries and therefore, he has requested a continuance to the April 6, 1989 meeting. Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Arner, to continue the Proposal to Designate the Demens-Tolstoy House, 9686 Hillside Road as a Historic Landmark to the April 6, 1989 meeting. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, ARNER, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, HASKVITZ --carried. •HPC MINUTES -1- MARCH 2, 1989 B. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE HIPPARD RANCH, 13181 VICTORIA STREET, RANCHO - - C. A PROPOSAL TO APPROVE A LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT FOR THE HIPPARD RANCH, . Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; stated that the owner has requested continuance to April 6, 1989 because the architect had not yet completed the plans. Motion: Moved by Billings, seconded by Arner to continue the Proposal to Designate the Hippard Ranch, 13181 Victoria Street as a Landmark and a Proposal to Approve a Landmark Alteration Permit for the Hippard Ranch, 13181 Victoria Street to April 6, 1989. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS,: BILLINGS, ARNER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, HASKVITZ --carried ' OLD BUSINESS D. IVY ON GRAPECRUSHER BUILDING AT VIRGINIA DARE. Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks stated that it is critical that they keep this ivy trimmed and thinned so that it just barely covers the building. Mrs. Banks stated that she would word the letter to Tower Partners as such.. There was a consensus that the ivy proposed was acceptable. NEW BUSINESS E. DEMOLITION OF 9212 HERMOSA Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. HPC MINUTES -2- MARCH 2, 1989 Commissioner Banks stated that the house had been salvageable, but there was not anyone able to do it. Mrs. Banks stated that this was a good example of why the City needs a .place to move houses on until they could be sold. F. CDBG BLOCK GRANT REQUEST FOR LANDMARK REHABILITATION 1989-1990 Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks questioned if this type of fund would be used for moving the house previously discussed. Mrs. Banks replied that she did not think it could be used for moving a structure. She stated that the total is $20,100; grants would be about $3,000 .each to spread it around. Commissioner Banks questioned if the Chaffey-Garcia House would be able to apply for a Block Grant for rehabilitation. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the Chaffey-Garcia House would need some investigation to see they it would qualify. ' Mrs. Banks stated that this all needs to be approved by the City Council . COMMISSION BUSINESS G. UPDATED LIST OF DESIGNATED LANDMARKS AND POINTS OF HISTORIC INTEREST Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the list. H. MEMORANDUM ON ARCHIVES ROOM AT NEW CITY HALL Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the information. I. MEMORANDUM ON ORAL HISTORY WORKSHOP SPONSORED BY THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the information. Commissioner Banks questioned if the workshop would be held in Rancho Cucamonga. Mrs. Banks responded that she thought so. HPC MINUTES -3- MARCH 2, 1989 Commissioner Banks requested Jean Gillingwoters be notified when the workshop is scheduled. J. POSSIBLE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the information. Mrs. Banks stated that a Landmark Alteration Permit for the Thomas Winery Distillery Sign should be coming in for approval . Chairman Schmidt questioned if the developer had made changes to the plans. Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission was told that it would have the appearance of a farm and that the structures would look somewhat like barns with rough siding, naturally weathered. She stated that now there is rock, pink stucco and green window frames. She stated that it was never brought back to the Commission. Commissioner Billings stated that the plans he had seen were one set with wood siding and one set with stucco ones in a pinkish color; Commissioner Banks stated that she remembers going to the Design Review meeting, talking about landscaping, but does not remember rock being used as a , facing. Commissioner Billings stated that at the time the plans were reviewed, the developer was still a little hazy on what the parking area was going to be. He stated that they were suppose to bring it back somewhat the way it used to be. Commissioner Banks ' stated that she definitely does not remember green windows. She stated that she would like to pass along to the Design Review Committee their dismay. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that he did remember rock facing on the plans that were brought before the Commission. Chairman Schmidt stated that generally it does not look right. Commissioner Banks stated that she does remember a soft stucco color. She stated that the new construction is not compatible with the winery. Chairman Schmidt concurred. Mrs. Banks stated that another possible agenda item would be changes to the Alta Loma Fire Hall . She stated that they have some landscaping plans that need to be reviewed. HPC MINUTES -4- MARCH 2; 1989 Commissioner Billings stated that the color was a light green with the stucco being a light yellow. Mrs. Banks announced that the California • Preservation Foundation annual conference in Los Angeles is from April 20 to 23. She stated that there was money in the budget for attendance, and asked if there were any Commissioners that would like to attend. Commissioners Arner and Schmidt stated they would like to attend. Mrs. Banks stated she would get back to them with additional information. 'Commissioner Banks brought the article about demolition controls in San Francisco and Pasadena in the January 1989, California Preservation publication to the attention of staff and the Commission. She stated the City Attorney had stated that the Commission could not do things like this: Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that those two cities are Charter Cities, whereas our city is a General Law City. He stated that Charter Cities can almost make their own laws. Commissioner Banks requested staff to investigate whether the City could strengthen its penalties, maybe requiring reconstruction if demolished, or if that was not possible, no new construction would be allowed on the site for 3 years. K. PRELIMINARY REPORT OF ALTA LOMA FIRE HALL ALTERATIONS Mrs. Banks stated that this item was the same as Item J, Number 2. ANNOUNCEMENTS L. CITY COUNCIL ACTION Mrs. Banks reported that the City Council designated the Alta Loma Fire Hall as a Landmark. HPC MINUTES -5- MARCH 2, 1989 Commissioner Billings reported on .the meeting he had with Mr. Gallup regarding the Route 30 Freeway. He stated that they were concerned with the Sam Maloof place and the Goerlitz House. He stated that the other- house Mr. Gallup was concerned about was house on the south side of Highland, west of Hermosa. He stated that if the Maloof House was to be saved, the local people need to put pressure on Ca7Trans in San Bernardino: Larry Henderson stated that the only way to save it is to move it. Commissioner Billings concurred. He said the pressure needs to start now. Commissioner Billings stated that he was contacted by a gentlemen that is working with San Antonio Hospital putting together calendars listing their seminars, meetings, etc. He stated he will be helping with the pictures to put on these calendars. PUBLIC COMMENTS There was no public comment at this time. ADJOURNMENT 4Rpme eetinLg adj^ou�rned at 7:50 p.m. c ully submitted, Kelly Orta Secretary HPC MINUTES -6- MARCH 2, 1989 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting February 2, 1989 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at ,Lions Park Community Center, 9161 'Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Alan Haskvitz, Bob Schmidt, Ada Cooper, Marge Stamm COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: None STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Laura Bonaccorsi , Landscape Designer; Kelly Orta, Secretary. ' APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Arner, seconded by Billings, carried to approve the minutes of January 5, 1989. Commissioners Cooper and Stamm abstained due to not being present at the meeting. OLD BUSINESS A. REVIEW OF SKETCHES OF PLAQUE FOR HAVEN AVENUE TREES MONUMENT Arlene Banks, Associate Planner,. turned this item over to Laura Bonaccorsi , Landscape Designer, for the presentation. Mrs. Bonaccorsi stated that what she has to work with is a 12" x 15" plaque to be placed on a rock face with about 3" around. it. She stated that maybe this could be a test plaque for the Commission to look at. She stated that there would be a mold. for approval before final casting. She stated that the design has a raised edge approximately 1/2" around it, raised logo and letters, all of which are polished to a shiny finish with a dark bronze background and then coated with a shiny finish. HPC MINUTES -1- FEBRUARY 2, 1989 Mrs. Bonaccorsi stated that the Commission might want to consider having a master plaque created and .each time one is needed, all that would have to be ' done is to call the manufacturer. Commissioner Banks questioned if a cost estimate was available. Mrs. Bonaccorsi answered that one has not been done. She stated that the Commission might want to consider small text and larger letters, but that 3/8" would be the smallest she would recommend. Commissioner Banks said that she would rather have the text with smaller letters rather than just a number, so that the plaques would be a learning experience when read. Mrs. Banks stated that when the mock-up comes in from the manufacturer, it will be brought back to .the Commission for approval . There was a consensus of the Commission to approve the sketch. Commissioner Haskvitz ,stated that this would be an excellent opportunity, for publicity. He stated that when a plaque is presented, photographs can be taken when it is received and presented to the newspaper. NEW BUSINESS ' B. RESPONSE TO CURRENT PLANNING DIVISION REQUEST FOR INPUT ON BICYCLE TRAIL Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Arner suggested adding old San Bernardino Road, south side of Red Hill . Commissioner Haskvitz stated that this item might be something that the Commission needs to to think about. Commissioner Banks stated that there are lots of sites in the City that are not landmarks and are not going to be immediate landmarks. She stated that the list that Mrs. Banks has is very complete and can be updated' as landmarks are designated. She stated that she would like to see Victoria Avenue, west of Etiwanda Avenue developed as a bike trail , east of Etiwanda Avenue, there are no designated landmarks, but' 8 potential landmarks within a block and a half. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, clarified that the bike trail will have different types of trails. He stated that there will be trails separate from the street right-of-way, trails in the right-of-way and marked by a lane and some trails not marked by a lane, but just a sign. HPC MINUTES -2- 'FEBRUARY 2, 1989 Commissioner Arner questioned if the trails would also be used for different uses, such as people using them to go back and forth to work. Mr. Henderson stated yes., . He stated that maybe trails is not the right word, but routes. Commissioner Billings questioned if the bike trail, has ,been formalized yet. Mr. Henderson stated no. He stated that he believed that there were funds available . to implement some of the 'bike trails. He stated that the Planning Division does not want to start implementing if they do not have a bike trail plan in place. Mrs. Banks stated that once the trail is established, then sites that might have been missed on the list can be added. Commissioner Banks stated that it would be a good idea to have a trail where there is concentration, such as Old Alta Loma and near the Chinatown house. Mr. Henderson stated that one of the maps that is being worked on with Assessment Revenue is a map that actually shows all potential sites, as well as already designated sites, which would show the concentration. He suggested that since there is no deadline on the bike trail issue, the Commission might want to direct staff to bring this issue back when the map is complete. There was a consensus of the Commission to direct staff to bring this item back for review when the map is complete. C. REVIEW OF LETTERS NOTIFYING OWNERS OF DESIGNATION AND REVIEW OF ANNUAL OWNER LETTER5. Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks stated that on the .Landmark letter, Page C-2, she interpreted the word "hope" as being negative. She would like to say something like "We know that you are proud", which would be more positive and assertive. The Commission concurred on this change and approved the content and form of these letters. D. UPDATE ON SPECIAL PROJECTS ON WORK PROGRAM Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. She requested feedback on the proposed next items. HPC MINUTES -3- FEBRUARY 2, 1989 Commissioner Banks stated, that regarding requests for loans, it is just as frequently said that if the Commission wants the house, the Commission can move it, which brings up finding land to set aside to move the structures until they can be bought. She stated that she would like to see some acquisition of the land that is then sold. Mrs. Banks stated that what is being suggested is to use public funds to acquire land and then turning around and selling it. Mr. Henderson stated that this is something the staff will look into. The Commission concurred to direct Mrs. Banks to follow through as planned and adding the comments of Commissioner Banks. COMMISSION BUSINESS Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, and Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, made a presentation on the proposed Budget. The information was received by the Commission. The Commission directed staff to look into the space being allowed for an archive in the new City Hall . Commissioner Haskvitz stated that he would like to see a budget item for ' public education, such as for cable television. Mr. Henderson stated that Associate Planner Banks would look into the cable company 's contract. Commissioner Stamm stated that it had been a pleasure to be a part of the Historic Preservation Commission, but declared her -intent to resign from the Commission. Commissioner Banks questioned what prompted the letters regarding the Biane Winery. Arlene Banks stated that when the Ellena/Regina Winery was before the City Council , the Mayor had questioned the status of the Biane Winery. She stated that at that time, she wrote a letter, but put it aside. . She stated that when there were not any public hearings, she was able to get back to it and then the -letter resulted. She stated that she will be having lunch with a historian working on this site and will bring any information to the next. meeting. HPC MINUTES -4- FEBRUARY 2, 1989 5Y ANNOUNCEMENTS E. PRESS RELEASE FOR THE BEVERLY HILLS HOUSE AND THE ALTA LOMA HEIGHTS CITRUS ASSOCI The Commission reviewed the press releases. Commissioner Banks questioned the status of the Old Alta Loma School . Arlene Banks stated that it was designated as a Point of .Historic Interest, but Council directed staff to be very active in pursuing some type of rehabilitation. She stated that she would prepare a press release on this item. Commissioner Banks stated that she would like to submit Hippard Ranch for Landmark status and approval of an Alteration Permit at the next meeting. Arlene Banks stated that there possibly will be an Alteration Permit for the Thomas Winery sign. ' PUBLIC COMMENTS There were public comments at this time. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 8: 15 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Kelly Orta Secretary HPC MINUTES -5- FEBRUARY 2, 1989 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting January 5, 1989 Due to the lack of a quorum, Chairman Bob Schmidt requested to view the presentation of a 15-minute video tape of the U.S. Department of Interior Standards for Historic Preservation as listed under Director's Reports to give the Commissioners time to arrive. Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:20 p.m. The meting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance.- ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Alan Haskvitz, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Ada Cooper, Marge Stamm STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Laura Bonaccorsi , Landscape Designer; Kelly Orta, Secretary. ANNOUNCEMENTS A. UPDATES Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, announced that the fate of the Ledig House is still uncertain. She stated that she should have more definite information at the next meeting. There was one bidder on the house and he needs to have a lot split to move the house next to the Stoebe House. COUNCIL ACTION Arlene Banks, Associate Planner announced that the City Council was in agreement with the direction of tie Owner Consent Policy. HPC MINUTES -1- JANUARY 5, 1989 Mrs. Banks announced that the City Council did designate the Alta Loma School ' as a Point of Historic Interest. She stated that the Council was very interested in having it come back for Landmark designation. In addition, Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, announced that the City Council directed staff to actively work with the purchaser of the property to have an adaptive re-use of the property if at all possible. Commissioner Banks questioned if the Council understood why the Historic Preservation Commission di.d not seek Landmark status without owner consent. Mrs. Banks confirmed that the Council did. Commissioner Banks questioned when the Graber House was going before City Council Mrs. Banks responded that it would be heard at the January 18, 1989 City Council meeting. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Haskvitz, carried, to approve the minutes of December 1, 1988. PUBLIC HEARINGS ' B._ PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE ALTA LOMA FIRE HALL, 9493 LOMITA, A LANDMARK OR POINT OF HISTORIC INTEREST - Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Deena Capparelli , 7152 Amethyst Avenue (same as 9493 Lomita) , daughter of the owner of the buil,ding, stated that they had been in the building since 1982. They, have started the building renovation from the inside out. They are now going to start on the outside and would like to use the Historical Building Code. She stated that they plan to return the building as close as possible to its original configuration. She stated that they are going to remove the small door and replace the two large double doors which would become the entrance to the shop. Commissioner Banks questioned if the downstairs had been restored to how it was when the fire trucks were parked there. HPC MINUTES -2- JANUARY 5, 1989 Ms. Capparelli responded that it had been restored as closely as possible with concrete floors and simple walls. She stated that one window and door had to ' be removed to have a place to hang her husband's paintings. She stated that they had removed the fake ceiling so that the original beams can be seen. Commissioner Billings stated that the original building had the double doors, but not the smaller door. He offered his assistance if the architect had any questions. Commissioner Banks stated that one of the concerns of the Commission is that by making an item a Landmark or Point of Historic Interest, they are doing it for the benefit the community. When major facades can be restored, that is where the emphasis is. Commissioner Arner questioned if the copper plaque was still there. Ms. Capparelli stated that it was given back to her family. She stated that they intend to use it either on the outside or inside. Commissioner Billings suggested putting the plaque in the office or shop. Hearing no further testimony, the public hearing was closed. Commissioner Banks stated that she was excited to have something come voluntarily before the Commission and that the property owner has an appreciation for its value. She stated that this might be an added incentive ' to the rest of the landowners in Old Alta Loma. Motion: Moved by Billings, seconded by Arner, to recommend designation as a Landmark. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, ARNER, BANKS, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, STAMM --carried The Commission directed staff to prepare a press release when this item is approved by City Council as a Landmark for some positive publicity. OLD BUSINESS Chairman Schmidt reversed the order of Item C and D due to the representative of the Engineering Division present. HPC MINUTES -3- JANUARY 5, 1989 D. CONSIDERATION OF WORDING FOR THE HAVEN AVENUE BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, introduced Laura Bonaccorsi , Landscape Designer with the City's Engineering Division who is working on the Haven Avenue Beautification project. Laura Bonaccorsi stated that the Engineering Division is absorbing the cost of the plaques for this project. She presented some examples of other plaques. Commissioner Banks stated that there has been a goal to put plaques on the City's Landmarks. She stated that she would like to see some uniformity between the Haven plaque and the other plaques. She questioned if the total wording would be too cost prohibitive. Mrs. Bonaccorsi stated that she had an estimate of $250.00 with a little artwork and quite a bit of lettering. Chairman Schmidt asked the Commission 's opinion on the wording. Commissioner Billings stated that it was his opinion that the Commission should give recognition to the Women 's Club on the plaque. Commissioner Arner stated that it should also say that it is a City of Rancho Cucamonga Point of Historic Interest. Commissioner Haskvitz stated that he felt that there should be some- uniformity between the signs at the parks and this sign. He stated that the Commission should not decide on the size until the text is agreed upon. The Commission concurred on a bronze plaque on the same order as the example on D-9. The Commission directed staff to bring back a report on plaquing on a smaller scale for marking Historic Landmarks. The Commission concurred to omit the wording "The trees along this path are transplants removed from the median island you see before you." to allow for the possibility that the transplanted trees will not survive. The Commission concurred to change the word in the last paragraph ' from "Constructed" to "Dedicated" and to add "Rancho Cucamonga Point of Historic Interest" as a top line. The Commission concurred to add ", in the Haven Avenue median" before "that extended from Foothill Boulevard to Hillside Avenue. . . .". Notion: Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Billings to request Laura Bonaccorsi from the Engineering Division to bring back a mock-up of a plaque and cost estimates to the next meeting on February 2, 1989. The motion carried 'by the following vote: HPC MINUTES -4- JANUARY 5, 1989 ' AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, BILLINGS, BANKS, ARNER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, STAMM --carried C. CONSIDERATION OF WORDING FOR THE SCHOWALTER ROCK PILE MONUMENTS Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks stated that "City of Rancho Cucamonga Point of Historic Interest" should be added to the title. She stated that she did not like the word "dry" in reference to wall . She suggested maybe using the work "unmortared". Commissioner Arner stated that in all of the books the word "dry" is used in this context. The Commission concurred with the exception of Commissioner Arner to eliminate the word "dry". ' The Commission concurred that the plaque should be the same as the Haven Avenue Beautification Project plaque. The Commission directed staff to see if they could hold the developer off until there is a determination on the Haven Avenue plaque. NEW BUSINESS E. CONSIDERATION OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF WORK PROGRAM 12-88 TO 6- Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks questioned why loans are a Priority III . Mrs. Banks stated that it was a Priority III just because not everything could be a Priority I . She stated that if information comes up, she would not ignore it just because it is not a Priority I . Commissioner Haskvitz stated that he feels that public relations has been left out in the past. He stated that the Commission needs to take a more positive approach to making press releases. He stated that public relations is very ' important.HPC MINUTES -5- JANUARY 5, 1989 Commissioner Banks concurred. She stated that if possible, there should be' a press release done about the positive things that have happened after each meeting. Commissioner Banks stated that she would like to see the investigation of purchasing land to set aside for future relocation of Landmarks. Larry Henderson stated that it should be added to Special Projects, Priority III or IV. The Commission 'concurred to add a work program item for a study identifying land for Landmark relocation sites. COMMISSION BUSINESS Commissioner Billings stated that he was contacted by Art Bridge offering himself to put together a slide presentation of Old Alta Loma. Mr. Bridge is working with a gentlemen in Claremont in photography. Commissioner Billings stated that he and his brother are going to go through their mother's old Photographs to put together with Mr. Bridge 's. Mr. Bridge suggested having a set for the City. Commissioner Billings stated that he was contacted by a Mr. Aaron Gallup of ' CalTrans, who is surveying all structures in the way of the Foothill Freeway. Commissioner Banks stated that she had met with Mr. Gallup and his assistant in the summer, at which time they were in La Verne. Commissioner Billings stated that they were finished with Los Angeles County and they are now starting on San Bernardino County. Commissioner Banks expressed her concern with the historic structures in the way which are not landmarks. She stated that she felt that the Commission should contact those owners and let them know that they would have a better chance of saving the structure or getting more money for it if it were a landmark. Larry Henderson stated that they still need to go the State architect in the State Historic Preservation office. Commissioner Billings stated that they were looking specifically at the Goerlitz and Maloof houses which are in the direct path. Commissioner Banks stated that the Isles House is also in the direct path in Etiwanda. �HPC MINUTES -6- JANUARY 5, 1989 Arlene Banks stated that she had sent a note to Sam Maloof to contact Aaron Gallup regarding this. Commissioner Banks questioned if it would be a good idea to actively pursue making the houses in the right-of-way landmarks. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the Commission would be taking a step backward by taking these just because they were in the Freeway right-of- way. Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission would not take them unless they had owner consent. Larry Henderson stated he would like to bring back a report outlining the pros and cons and bring it back to the Commission with an estimate of the time it will take. He stated that he does not know how important the few houses are in the right-of-way as opposed to the other items on the work program. Commissioner Billings stated that he could only think of the Goerlitz and Maloof Houses. Commissioner Banks added the Isles House. Commissioner Billings ,stated that Mr. Gallup wanted facts about the houses. Arlene Banks stated that Mr. Gallup will consider what on the Freeway right- of-way is National Register quality, which Sam Maloof's probably is. She stated that this is the law. Commissioner Billings stated that he was contacted by Vivian McKee, Henry Klusman 's daughter, and she stated that the Commission had a lot of wrong information. She stated that on the Mission Winery, it was her dad and Mr. Pope that had built it, not John Klusman. She had stated that architect was not same that did the Mission Inn in Riverside. She had also stated that the Emery House was not a Sears & Roebuck, Nathan Emery and her dad built that house. She stated that her dad never used plans. Commissioner Billings requested that she write everything down for the Commission to look at. Chairman Schmidt stated that a great many things have been cut out of the Sesquicentennial budget. He stated that they were cut from $45,000 to $16,400. He stated that they plan to use any money they make to purchase plaques'. Commissioner Haskvitz stated that all of the expensive items have been cut out. HPC MINUTES -7- JANUARY 5, 1989 Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the Inland Empire West, a non- profit economic development group, are sponsoring an annual Economic Development Conference at the Red Lion Inn. He stated that one of the ideas he had heard regarding the conference, is that in the hallways leading from the display areas to the central dining room would be used to highlight cultural art exhibits of the, surrounding communities. He stated that the people that come to this are from Los Angeles, who do not know this area at all . He stated that maybe the Sesquicentennial committee might want to work on some kind of graphic exhibit about the anniversary. Commissioner Billings stated that he had read that American National Can had sold. Arlene Banks stated that she would check into it. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested that maybe at the next meeting discussing doing publici-ty on the people of Rancho Cucamonga. Commissioner Banks concurred. She stated that there was a policy not to honor living people by naming streets or parks after them. Commissioner Haskvitz agreed to bring something back to the next meeting for ' discussion. PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no public comments at this time. ADJOURNMENT 8:55 P.M. - Historic Preservation Commission Adjourned. Respectfully submitted, elly rta Secretary HPC MINUTES -8- JANUARY 5, 1989 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. MINUTES Regular Meeting December 1, 1988 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga 'Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Marge Stamm STAFF PRESENT: Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Brad Buller, City Planner; Gail Sanchez, Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion : Moved by Billings, seconded by Haskvitz, carried with Cooper abstaining, to approve the minutes of November 3, 1988.. ANNOUNCEMENTS F. MILLS ACT UPDATE Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, stated she had received sample Mills Act contracts from Los Altos and Berkeley and had forwarded them to the City Attorney, who will be reviewing them. She stated she also talked to Gail Wooley, Palo Alto City Councilmember who was sending Palo Alto's one contract which includes provisions for public access. HPC Minutes -1- December 1, 1988 G. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, stated she expected to have information on the Ledig House bid response by the next meeting, as the bid close date is December 8. She said the owner of the Stoebe House had made an inquiry. Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, stated she had received a request for designation of the Alta Loma Fire House. She said two artists reside there and use it as a studio. They have indicated they would like to restore the exterior to make it similar to what it originally looked like. Commissioner Billings stated part of the building had originally been used as a post office. PUBLIC HEARINGS B. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE ALTA LOMA CITRUS ASSOCIATION PACKING HOUSE, /12b AMETHYST AVENUE, RANCHO CUCAMONGA, XTA LANDMARK OR POINT OF HIS= INTEREST - - - Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks asked for a summary of the protection available under Point I of Historic Interest. Ms.. Banks responded that because the site was significant, CEQA would be invoked even if the building was not declared a Landmark and CEQA would require full consideration of the historic significance prior to any project. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Cristina Sierra, attorney representing property owners, American National Can, stated the company had repaired the windows and roof to make the building weather-tight. She did not feel that designation would do anything more than. American National Can had already done and it would not help preserve the building. She felt reviews of CEQA would be sufficient to protect the City's interests. Hearing no further testimony, the public hearing was closed. Commissioner Haskvitz felt -that Point of Historic Interest would be sufficient because American National Can has agreed to maintain the building. Commissioner Banks felt the buildings should be a Landmark, but she was not. willing to lead the fight. She did not feel City Council would consider the building without the owner's consent. She felt Point of Historic Interest would sufficiently protect the City's interests. HPC Minutes -2- December 1, 1988 Commissioner Billings felt Point of Historic Interest would not restrict the owners. Commissioner Banks felt the ' buildings had tremendous potential for restoration. She felt it could be used for shops. Commissioner Arner felt that designating the buildings as a Landmark would be advantageous to the building owners. Commissioner Haskvitz thought the location might be used as a railroad museum. Commissioner Billings stated the hardwood floor was not level . He felt' tsat in order to renovate the building they would have to gut it and start over because they would not even drive a forklift across the floor. Motion: Moved by Billings, seconded by Haskvitz, to recommend designation as a Point of Interest. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM --carried A. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE BEVERLY HILLS HOUSE, 9786 ARROW HIGHWAY, RANCHO CUCAMONGA AS A LANDMARK OR POINT OF HISTORI'. INTEREST - APN: ZUB- Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Jan Graber, applicant, stated she had lived in the house for 13 years 'and they were now being faced with encroachment of commercialism in the area. She said she had talked to the man who had purchased the surrounding property, and he expressed the desire to build a large grocery store and use her property as access for the grocery complex. The developer had talked of moving the house, but she was not willing to move her house. Hearing no further testimony, the public hearing was closed. Commissioner Banks felt the house was significant and felt that the development going on around the house should not be a factor in their deliberations. HPC Minutes -3- December 1, 1988 Brad Buller, City Planner, stated he had met with the owner of the surrounding property, who hopes to develop the area as commercial property and plans to submit a General Plan Amendment and to change the zoning to Commercial from Medium Density Residential (8-14 dwelling units per acre) . He felt a single family residence in the area will be under pressure. Motion : Moved by Arner, seconded by Haskvitz, to recommend designation as a Landmark. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM --carried OLD BUSINESS C. SCHOWALTER ROCK PILE MONUMENT (Oral Report) , Brad Buller, City Planner, presented a sketch of the proposed monument and stated that Deputy City 'Planner Otto Kroutil had worked hard to get the two developers to agree to one concept. He said the item was before the Commission to gather input on the design and the proposed wording. ' Commissioner Banks asked if the monuments would• mark the trail rather than a street. Mr. Buller confirmed that it would. Commissioner Banks suggested the wording should describe the dimensions of the piles, the gross cubic feet, where the rocks came from, etc. Commissioner Billings stated they had been derived from clearing, the land to plant citrus. Commissioner Arner suggested contacting. Don Schowalter for suggested wording. Mr. Buller suggested that staff could formulate the wording and return it to the Commission for their approval . Commissioner Banks liked the.,.design of the monument. HPC Minutes -4- December 1, 1988 D. RESOLUTION DESIGNATING ALTA LOMA SCHOOL, 9480 19TH STREET,, RANCHO Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, discussed the Resolution which was prepared as requested at the Historic Preservation Commission November 3meeting. It was the consensus of the. Commission that the wording was appropriate. Ms. Banks stated that on Monday, November 28, there had been a citizens ' meeting regarding the Alta Loma School at the home of Mike Carrari . Mr. Woo was no longer interested in the purchase of the school , but there were two other potential buyers. She reported a group of three doctors were currently performing a feasibility study with the intent to utilize the building as a residential treatment facility and school for adolescents. They had expressed a desire to rehabilitate the building. She stated the project would have to apply for a Conditional Use Permit. Commissioner Billings stated he had been contacted by the doctors and- they indicated they were currently in escrow. They were interested in finding out if the building had been brought up to meet current earthquake standards. NEW BUSINESS E. DISCUSSION OF DRAFT LANDMARK OVERLAY DISTRICT Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks indicated she would like to extend the Overlay District to cover Point of Interest locations as well as Landmarks. She said many buildings have been designated Point of Interest rather than Landmark, because of- lack of owner consent. She wanted to know if the Overlay District would help to protect the Landmarks from adverse development on surrounding parcels. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated the Ordinance is specific to the Landmark parcel and would have no effect on the surrounding development. However, in the normal application .process, Planners look at surrounding areas to see if development will fit in with historic sites. Commissioner Banks stated the development around historic sites sometimes lessens the attractiveness of the historic site. Mr. Henderson stated that the Historic Preservation Commission had been assigned to the Planning Department in order to try to recognize this problem. Ms. Banks felt the Historic Overlay District may provide incentives for owners to request designation as a Landmark. She suggested adding the word "generally" to paragraph D.3. HPC Minutes -5- December 1, 1988 Mr. Henderson suggested changing the wording to: "In residential districts, uses permitted shall be of a relative scale, generally low impact nature such as a boarding house, bed and breakfast inn, minor offices, a boutique, antique shop, book store, or florist, taking into account the size and configuration of the site, street, and land use compatibility." Commissioner Banks liked the revised wording. ANNOUNCEMENTS Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, stated that construction on the Thomas Plaza -site was ahead of schedule and the owners were negotiating with major tenants. PUBLIC COMMENTS Bob Hickcox provided an old Assessor's Map from 1920 for the area of the Rock Cairns. He stated many years ago 160 acres were divided into 5-acre parcels. Commissioner Banks stated the Environmental Impact Report indicated there was no record of any improvements on the parcel with the Rock Cairns. The EIR stated the rocks were gathered for off-site use and she felt there was no reason to .haul rocks for repair of irrigation works to the Cairn area, because , there already were plenty of rocks near the irigation works. Mr. Hickcox stated a gentleman named Raymond Henderson was the grandson of one of the first settlers in the area and suggested he might know the history of the rocks. Commissioner Banks felt the study was well, done, but she felt the conclusions were incorrect. She stated she would like to see an archaeologist on site during excavation. She said she had talked to Mr. Hathaway, the author of the study, and he agreed. Bob Hickcox, asked if 'Commissioner Billings knew where the Nhitfields homestead was in Etiwanda. Commissioner Billings stated he did not know, but would check to see if there were any notes that covered it. HPC Minutes -6- December 1, 1988 ADJOURNMENT Motion: Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Banks, unanimously carried to adjourn. 8:25 P.M. - Historic Preservation Commission meeting adjourned. Respectfully submitted, Gail Sanchez Secretary HPC Minutes -7- December 1, 1988 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting November 3, 1988 Chairman. Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Gene Billings,. Alan Haskvitz, Bob Schmidt, Marsha Banks (arrived at 7:05 p.m. ) COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Ada Cooper, Marge Stamm STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Gail Sanchez, Secretary- APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Billings, unanimously carried, to approve the minutes of October 6, 1988. PUBLIC COMMENTS Paula Pachon, Administrative Assistant, discussed the Sesquicentennial and showed the calendar and pin which are being sold by the Community Services Department. She indicated they were planning a dinner on March 3, 1989. She reported they conducted a 'local history workshop in October for teachers. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, suggested contacting local employers to see if they would purchase the calendar or pin as gifts for their employees or for employee purchase. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested contacting TV Channel 46, and thought they may be willing to do a videolog. HPC Minutes -1- November 3, 1988 PUBLIC HEARINGS A. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE ALTA LOMA SCHOOL, 9480 19TH STREET', RANCHO OF HISTORIC INTEREST - - - Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Arner asked if the building was in good structural repair. 'Commissioner Billings stated the building was changed drastically on the interior. He stated the building had been brought up to meet earthquake standards. The building was constructed by Henry Klusman, who also built reservoirs and irrigation systems. Commissioner Banks asked if the building could be• restored .to look more like its original condition. She felt the rock siding could be removed. Ms. Banks stated the exterior could be changed back'. Commissioner Arner asked why the Recreation Department was no longer interested in the property. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated the Community Services Department could not afford the facility- Commissioner Banks asked why the Commission was considering the site. Ms. Banks responded the Commission was considering the site because there had ' been several inquiries, the property was currently in escrow, and in February 1987 the Commission had discussed making it a Point of Historic Interest. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Karen Mead, 11330 Rancho Street, Alta Loma, real for representing the owner, said the building was currently in escrow, but the buyer was performing a 15 day feasibility study. She stated the present buyer was intending to build luxury apartments on the site. She already had a backup offer from a church. Commissioner Banks asked how much land was involved. Ms. Mead responded 2-1/2 acres. Ms. Banks stated that Mr. Woo, the current owner„ had asked if he could get a variance to make the property commercial . Commissioner Banks asked if the building was designated as a Landmark, if it would be easier to get a variance for commercial business. Mr. Henderson stated that if the Historic Overlay Ordinance passed, the building could be made an office with a Conditional Use Permit. HPC Minutes -2- November 3, 1988 Mr. Henderson stated the Commission could go ahead and designate the site a ' Point of Interest. The property owner could then return at a later time and request Landmark status. Ms. Mead felt if the current escrow fell through, the other potential buyers would want to keep the building. Hearing no further testimony, the public hearing was closed. Commissioner Arner felt it was important to try to save the building. Commissioner Billings felt the exterior was similar to what it had been except for the rock facing, wood strips, enclosed stairs, and ramps. Commissioner Banks felt the ramps and rock facade ruined the exterior. She asked if ramps could be put in the back for handicapped access. , Commissioner Billings stated the rear entrance was almost at grade and could be used for access. Commissioner Bank felt if the property was designated a Landmark, it should be restored to its original appearance. She felt the property could be designated a Point of Historic Interest and considered at a later time for Landmark designation. ' Mr. Henderson suggested adding wording to the Resolution that the Commission would consider making the site a Landmark if the exterior was restored to i-ts original appearance. Commissioner Billings felt it was important that the site be designated, by a plaque stating it was the original site of Hermosa School , which later became Alta Loma School . He felt a plaque should be installed even if the building was saved. Commissioner Banks requested that the Planning Department be notified of the Commission's desire to have the site commemorated if the building was razed. She felt the site would make a good playground. She asked if it would be possible for the Historic Preservation Commission to work with the Planning Commission and review plans if development was proposed, which included razing the building. She asked the status of the overlay district. Ms. Banks responded that the draft would be ready for the next meeting. Mr. Henderson stated that under the proposed Historic Overlay District if a site was designated a Landmark, developers could request a Conditional Use Permit for adaptive reuse. Commissioner Banks stated she could foresee dental or medical offices in the building. HPC Minutes -3- November 3, 1988 Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Haskvitz; to recommend designation as a Point of Interest and indicate that if the building was restored to its original exterior appearance, the Commission would consider recommending Landmark status. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ,' SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, STAMM --carried B. MILLS ACT •UPDATE Arlene Banks, Associate 'Planner, presented the staff report. She stated that it was hoped the City Attorney would respond quickly enough to allow the item to be forwarded to City Council in December. Commissioner Banks stated she felt people might be more-willing to utilize the Mills Act if they could sign the contract and immediately file a notice of cancellation in order to have the contract expire in ten years. Ms. Banks stated that Mr. Gervigian, one of the authors of the law, felt it would be necessary for the applicant to wait one year before filing a cancellation notice. Commissioner Banks felt it might be useful for houses in residential' neighborhoods. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, asked Ms. Banks to follow up with the City Attorney. C. VIRGINIA DARE GRAPE CRUSHER BUILDING Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt felt vines would help to dress up the grape crusher building. Commissioner Banks asked if vines were proposed for all buildings. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that vines had already been planted in vine pockets, which had been cut in- the cement to comply with Planning Commission conditions. Commissioner Banks stated she preferred to see the building, not vines. HPC Minutes -4- November 3, 1988 Commissioner Arner felt the vines should be grape vines, rather than ivy. , Commissioner Billings felt the proposed yellow trumpet vine was good because it dies back in the winter. Commissioner Banks asked if vines could be planted only on one :end. Mr. Henderson stated there were no vine pockets on the building ends. He felt the vines would not grow in that thickly. He also stated grape vines would not be good because the grapes would fall on the pavement and could cause people to slip. , Commissioner Banks felt the yellow trumpet vine was not appropriate. She preferred climbing ivy. Commissioner Arner wanted a lot of the building to show. She preferred, ivy over the yellow trumpet. Commissioner Billings felt ivy clings and causes other problems for buildings. Commissioner Haskvitz proposed a creeping fig. Mr. Henderson suggested having staff and Commissioner Banks decide on the type of ivy. It was the consensus of the Historic Preservation Commission that much of the building should show and some type of ivy should be used. D. BRIEF UPDATES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Ms. Banks indicated that the Planner working on the Schowalter Rock Pile project wanted to know if the Historic Preservation Commission wanted a plaque on the north side of the street. Motion: Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Banks, unanimously carried to send a letter to the Planni.ng Commission expressing concern that Historic Preservation Commission recommendations were not followed regarding the Schowalter Rock Pile monument. Ms. Banks discussed the policy adopted at the October 6 meeting regarding Landmark Designation with or without owner consent. Commissioner Banks stated she did not feel there should be a problem just because the policy was similar to .the existing criteria in the Ordinance. She felt if a building was being considered it should have special criteria either with or without owner consent. HPC Minutes -5- November 3, 1988 Commissioner Haskvitz agreed. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, asked if the term "special" should be better defined. Commissioner Arner felt there may be some borderline properties not worth fighting over without owner consent. -Ms: Banks stated she had talked to several other communities and few had -designated properties without owner consent when there was a public outcry. Mr. Henderson asked if such a policy was necessary. Commissioner Haskvitz stated it would be nice to have such a policy as a basis to let City Council know the Historic Preservation Commission would be attempting to preserve significant properties even without owner consent. Mr. Henderson asked if it should be more specific. He indicated the wording could be kept vague in order to allow for flexibility or it could be specific with more detailed criteria. Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Arner, unanimously carried, to change "special " to "outstanding" and forward the policy to City Council with a note that the Historic Preservation` Comni,ssion was in the process of defining "outstanding". Commissioner Arner asked about the Etiwanda Rock' Cairn research. Mr. Henderson stated Consultant Roger Hathaway had concluded that the rocks were piled there during repair work following a 1916 flood. He had determined that the rocks were piled by work crews during a two-week period. He stated that the report referenced a Chaffey College class excavation in the resource section; but did not discuss the 'excavation in the text. Commissioner Banks felt the pile would be moved for a future housing development. She felt it was a legend with great local folklore value. Mr. Henderson stated the Historic Preservation Commission had made the Rock Cairn a Landmark, but they were located outside of City jurisdiction. He felt it would be difficult to fight with the County to save them when an expert had stated they had no-significance. Further, as the Commission had not saved the major rock pile within City boundaries, it would be difficult to fight to save one outside of City boundaries. It was the consensus of the Commission that the report be circulated among the Commissioners for their review, after which they could provide further direction to staff. HPC Minutes -6- November 3, 1988 Commissioner Banks asked if the buyer of the Minor House had been notified on the hearing date. She stated she would advise the buyer. COMMISSION BUSINESS E. HPC PROCEDURES The procedures were provided. PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no public comments at this time. ADJOURNMENT Motion: Moved by Billings, seconded by Haskvitz, unanimously carried to adjourn. 9:00 P.M. - Historic Preservation Commission meeting adjourned. ® Respectfully submitted, Gail Sanchez Secretary HPC Minutes -7- November 3, 1988 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting October 6, 1988 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Gene Billings, Alan Haskvitz, Bob Schmidt, Marsha Banks (arrived at 8:35 p.m. ) COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Ada Cooper, Marge Stamm STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Gail Sanchez, Secretary ' APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Billings, seconded by Arner, unanimously carried, to approve the minutes of September 1, 1988, as amended. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. A PROPOSAL TO. DESIGNATE THE CROSWELL HOUSE,• 9874 ARROW HIGHWAY, RANCHO CUCAMONGA, AS A LANDMARK OR POINT OF HISTORIC INTEREST - - - 04. Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Arner asked if . local significance was considered adequate to override owner objection. Ms. Banks stated that according to the draft owner policy, if an owner was not in accord with having a property designated as historically significant, then the property needed to be outstanding in some way. This property was not listed as having potential state or national significance. Commissioner Billings felt the property did not stand out in architectural style. HPC Minutes -1- October 6, 1988 Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated a property would probably meet state criteria if the residence had been built and lived in by a founding member of the community and would not need national importance to be on the National ' Register. Commissioner Haskvitz asked if retaining the house would affect the number of units or the plans. Ms. Banks stated the property owner was interested in maximizing the number of units. Commissioner Arner stated she felt the house was to be the focal point of the •development. Ms. Banks noted the Commission could forward their concerns to the Planning Commission. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing no comments, the public hearing was closed. Ms. Banks indicated City Council had stated if the City was going to ask a developer to build around a structure, it should be an important structure,. and they asked if more historic information was available. Commissioner Haskvitz stated the house was not in the same category as other structures, but did not like to allow the destruction of the building for no purpose. He felt the Historic Preservation Commission should ask the Planning ' Commission to keep the building. Mr. Henderson suggested the Historic Preservation Commission could send a message to the Planning Commission, stating that even though the building• was not designated as a landmark, the Historic Preservation Commission felt the building had local quality and should be retained if possible. Motion: Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Billings, to accept staff's recommendation to rescind its recommendation for designation, but to retain the house on the survey list. They further requested staff to send a letter to the Planning Commission stating the Historic Preservation Commission felt the house was a good architectural example and asking that the developer justify destruction in terms of number of units prior to letting the house be demolished. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, COOPER, STAMM --carried HPC Minutes -2- October 6, 1988 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA ' HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES October 6, 1988 7:00 P.M. Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga, Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmi,dt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Gene Billings, Alan Haskvitz, Bob Schmidt, Marsha Banks (arrived at 8:35 p.m.) COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: , Ada Cooper, Marge Stamm STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Gail Sanchez, Secretary ' APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Billings, seconded by Arner, unanimously carried, to approve the minutes of September 1, 1988, as amended. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE CROSWELL HOUSE, 9874 ARROW- HIGHWAY, RANCHO - - 04. Arlene Banks., Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Arner asked if local significance was considered adequate to override owner objection. Ms. Banks stated that according to the draft owner policy, if an owner was not in accord with having a property designated' as historically significant, then the property needed to be outstanding in some way. This property was not listed as having potential state or national significance. Commissioner Billings felt the property did not stand out in architectural style. HPC Minutes -1- October 6, 1988 Larry Henderson, Senior Planner,. stated a property would probably meet state criteria if the residence had been built and lived in by a founding member of the community and would not need national importance to be on the National Register. Commissioner Haskvitz asked if retaining the house would affect the number of units or the plans. Ms. Banks stated the property owner was interested in maximizing the number of units. Commissioner Arner stated she felt the house was to be the focal point of the development. Ms. Banks noted the Commission could forward their concerns to the. Planning Commission. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing 'no comments, the public hearing was closed. Ms. Banks indicated City Council had stated if the City was going to ask a developer to build around a structure, it should be an important structure, and they asked if more historic information was available. Commissioner Haskvitz stated the house was not in the same category as other structures, but did not like to allow the destruction of the building for no purpose. He felt the Historic Preservation Commission should ask the Planning I Commission to keep the building. Mr. Henderson suggested the Historic Preservation Commission could send a message to the Planning Commission, stating that even though the building was not designated as a landmark, the Historic Preservation Commission felt the building had local quality and should be retained if possible. Motion:, Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Billings, to accept staff's recommendation to rescind its recommendation for designation, but to retain the house on the survey list. They further requested staff to send a letter to the Planning Commission stating the Historic Preservation Commission felt the house was a good architectural example and asking that the developer justify destruction in terms of number of units prior to letting the house be demolished. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: , NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, COOPER, STAMM --carried HPC Minutes -2- October 6, 1988 B. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE THOMAS HOUSE, 7980 VINEYARD AVENUE, RANCHO CUCAMONGA, AS A LANDMARK OR POINT OF HISTORIC INTEREST - - - Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Commissioner Arner stated that most of the older bungalows were built on rock, so probably most would not be able to be saved. Larry Henderson stated that the Thomas Winery project was being reviewed this evening at 'Design Review, and they were deleting the building area where the Thomas House would have been placed. He felt perhaps. someone else could move it to some other location. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested obtaining the bidder' s list from the Ledig House and seeing if any of, those parties would be interested in, the Thomas House. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing no comments, the public hearing was closed. Motion: Moved by Billings, seconded by Haskvitz, to accept staff's recommendation to rescind designation of the Thomas House as a Landmark or Point of Interest, but to retain the house on the survey list and to send a letter to the bidder's list from the Ledig House. The motion carried by the following vote: , ' AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, ,HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, COOPER, STAMM --carried C. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE ALTA LOMA CITRUS ASSOCIATION PACKING HOUSE, 7125 AMETHYST AVENUE, A HISTORIC LANDMARK - APN: ZUZ-151-IZ Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, asked if the Mills Act would be available for this property. Ms. Banks affirmed that it would. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Christina Sierra, attorney for American National Can Company, presented a letter from Mr. John P. Totten of American Appraisal Associates. She stated she had spoken to Mr. Wavrek of American National Can Company, and he .agreed with Mr. Totten's recommendation that the property be designated as a Point of HPC Minutes -3- October 6, 1988 Interest, but not as a Landmark. They felt that if the property were designated as a Landmark, too many restrictions would .be placed on it. She further stated that American National Can Company had no immediate plans to relocate, expand, or modify their facilities. They realized that the roof on the 1914 building was in disrepair, but they were currently using the building only. for storage. The Commissioners discussed Mr. Totten's letter and pointed out that even if� the building were not designated as a Landmark, the owners would still have to have building additions or remodelings reviewed by a City Commission. Mr. Henderson pointed out that landmark designation did not preclude demolition. Ms. Sierra stated that under the Penn Central standard which the City uses, the property could not be demolished if there was an economically viable use. However, that viable use might not be the highest. use; and therefore, the owners felt they might, suffer a loss of development rights. Mr. Henderson stated that under CEQA, if the structure is of historic significance (not necessarily a Landmark), there must be a finding that the building is not historic. It would not be a• ministerial permit and would require a public hearing. Ms. Sierra stated that under CEQA, that would require requesting a Negative Declaration as opposed to a landmark alteration permit. Mr. Henderson stated it was a difficult site. Whether the structure remained ' - or not, there would be a limited number of developers interested because of the location. Ms. Sierra stated that American National Can was not interested in any development incentives because they were not interested in developing the building. Mr. Henderson asked if American National Can had projected when they would like to develop or sell the property. Ms. Sierra stated .their plans were indefinite because the building was serving its purpose at the present time. Mr. Henderson asked if they had performed the Mills Act calculations. Ms. Sierra stated they, had not to her knowledge. Mr. Henderson asked if American National Can might be willing to fix the•roof if staff could show them a significant tax savings utilizing the Mills Act. Ms: Sierra stated she would certainly approach them. They were currently talking to their headquarters regarding repair of the roof for safety reasons. However, no decision had been made as yet. HPC Minutes -4- October 6, 1988 Mr. Henderson stated he would have staff work on the. calculations. Commissioner Arner asked the requirements for utilizing the Mills Act. Ms. Banks stated there would have to be a contract between the property owner and the City and the building would have to have historical significance. Ms. Sierra asked if it would be a fair statement that one of the City's primary concerns would be to repair the roof to avoid any further deterioration. The Commissioners agreed that was valid. Motion: Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Billings to table the matter until December 1 to allow staff to prepare Mills Act calculations and forward the information to American National Can for consideration. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, COOPER, STAMM --carried OLD BUSINESS D. DISCUSSION OF CEQA (Oral Report) Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, distributed a portion of the CEQA checklist and gave a general overview of CEQA. E. OWNER CONSENT POLICY Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks felt a property could have enough local significance without having state and/or national significance. She felt that the original survey was not complete enough and that properties were not graded by a common standard. She suggested that the wording be changed to include all properties that had been inventoried. She also asked if both A and B conditions had to be met because if the structure were not threatened the designation would not help to protect the structure. Ms. Banks stated the Commission might want to interpret the conditions broadly. She suggested they revert back to three questions. HPC Minutes -5- October 6, 1988 Commissioner Haskvitz suggested adding cultural significance. Chairman Schmidt suggested adding "aesthetic". Commissioner Banks stated she liked aesthetic because it could be used to cover botanical , rock walls, etc. Ms. Banks asked if "point of interest" wording should be brought back and if it should be for sites only. Commissioner Banks stated she did not like idea of designating structures as Point of Interest just because the owner did not want the buidling designated as a Landmark. Ms. Banks stated she would bring back the wording to the Historic Preservation Commission. Commissioner Banks asked if it would be possible to forward to City Council the policy on designation of Landmarks Without Owner Consent. Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Arner to forward to City Council the policy for Landmark Status Designation With or Without Owner Consent with modifications to include properties that had been inventoried, that the criteria include properties with special architectural , historical , cultural , or aesthetic significance. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT , NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, STAMM --carried F. INCENTIVES - THE MILLS ACT Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, stated that there were still some questions regarding how San Bernardino County would be calculating the tax savings. Motion: Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Banks, to direct staff to contact the City Attorney regarding formulation of a Rancho Cucamonga Mills Act contract and forward the prototypical contract to City Council , following completion of staff's research. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, STAMM --carried HPC Minutes -6- October 6, 1988 r ' NEW BUSINESS G. SLIDE PRESENTATION (Oral Report) The Commission previewed a slide presentation that Arlene Banks was .planning to present to a City Manager's luncheon regarding historic preservation within Rancho Cucamonga. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested a slide show might also be a nine presentation for other groups or schools. * * * * * STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS H. REQUEST TO PUT ALTA LOMA MANOR ON AGENDA (Oral Report) Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, stated she had received two different requests to evaluate the Alta Loma Manor. She stated Chaplain Wilson, minister to the tenants, wanted the building to be considered a Landmark because the owner may currently be considering having the home demolished. Commissioner Banks stated she felt the structure had been considered ' previously. Commissioner Arner stated she felt the previous discussion decided the building had been altered so much it lost its historical significance. Commissioner Billings stated the location was the original site of the Hermosa School , which was the first school in the area, and they may wish to consider the site as a Point of Interest. Commissioner Banks located her Minutes from February 5, 1987, which indicated discussions regarding the property were inconclusive. Ms. Banks was directed to :further research and bring a report to the November meeting. * * * * * I. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS (Oral Report) Arlene Banks stated Mr. •Andrews,, a wheelchair-bound lawyer, was interested in a house for a combination home and business. He had found a Victorian house in an industrial area, but did not really want to live in an industrial area. HPC Minutes, -7 October 6, 1988 Commissioner Banks stated this might be a good house to move to a better area, in order to preserve the house. Because of the location of the house in an industrial area, it would not be desirable for other businesses either. By moving to an area that would encompass residential and office/professional uses, it could add to the life of the house by allowing more flexibility. Ms. Banks stated she had been asked to put together an Industrial Specific Plan Amendment to allow non-conforming uses for houses in industrial areas, permitting them to be used as residences or businesses. She suggested an Historic Overlay District within the City. Arlene Banks announced a map was being prepared which would show all items on the historic list. Arlene Banks presented a letter from the Nabisco lawyers requesting that the landmark designation issue be tabled until material changes to the exterior of the buildings were contemplated. Arlene Banks announced there would be a reception on October 19 at the Grape Crusher. ' Arlene Banks stated she talked to Mr. Blanchard regarding the China House and they had no plans other than cleaning up the lot. They indicated they did not want to spend any money on the house, but they were willing to meet with the Commission to discuss what might be done with the house. Arlene Banks reported there had been an informal meeting of Bob Schmidt and Marsha Banks from the Historic Preservation Commission, and Larry Mc Niel and Peter Tolstoy from the Planning Commission, and staff people to discuss mutual interests that overlap and communication. They also discussed the fact that landmark houses lose their context and visibility as development occurs around them. Therefore, it may be necessary to move them to a more central place in order for the public to see and appreciate them. Perhaps moving them to old Alta Loma or old Etiwanda might be considered. Commissioner Haskvitz stated he had worked for Councilman Snyder at the time many homes were moved from Bunker Hill to Pasadena. He stated he had given Larry Henderson a Proposition 70 Parks and Wildlife application blank, which provided money for moving historic houses if they were then turned into museums. HPC Minutes -8- October 6, 1988 V' Commissioner Banks stated the City of Rancho Cucamonga is more interested in ' having the homes moved and then lived in or used as businesses. Ms. Banks stated that when she talked to the state regarding Proposition 70, they seemed less than enthusiastic regarding providing money for moving of houses. Arlene Banks indicated that the Virginia Dare Winery had indicated they would like to add vines to the Grape Crusher Building to soften the look. It was requested that a presentation be made at the November meeting. Arlene Banks announced that on Sunday, October 9,. there would be a home tour of 20 houses in Claremont. Commissioner Haskvitz stated he had a movie for school children regarding the importance of housing. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested the Commissioners peruse the Historic ' Preservation in California handbook, which Larry Henderson had available. Arlene Banks announced that Commissioner Schmidt and Commissioner Arner would be attending a conference in November regarding small town preservation. CONMISSION BUSINESS Commissioner Banks stated she found Arlene Banks' September 15 update letter very interesting regarding the house they wanted to bring out from Pasadena. J. HPC PROCEDURES Chairman Schmidt requested that HPC Procedures be discussed at the next Commission Meeting. PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no public comments at this time. HPC Minutes -9- October 6, 1988 ADJWRNWNT ' Moved by Banks, seconded by Billings, unanimously carried to adjourn. 10:15 P.M. the Historic Preservation Commission meeting adjourned. Respectfuullly submitted, Gail Sanchez Secretary HPC Minutes -10- October 6, 1988 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Special Meeting September 1, 1988 6:00 P.M. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Bob Schmidt, Marsha Banks, Marge Stamm COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: None STAFF PRESENT: Brad Buller, City Planner, Larry Henderson, Senior Planner Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, Kelly Orta, Secretary. Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, conducted discussion on Owner Consent Policy. Regular Meeting September 1, 1988 ' Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, 'California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Bob Schmidt, Marsha Banks COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Marge Stamm STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Kelly Orta, Secretary APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Billings, seconded by Haskvitz, carried with Commissioner Banks abstaining, to approve the minutes as modified of August 4, 1988. HPC Minutes -1- September 1, 1988 PUBLIC HEARINGS A. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE POWELSON-BECKLEY HOUSE, 10213 19TH STREET, RANCHO CUCAMONGA, A LANDMARK OR POINT OF HISTORIC IN tKtST - - Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Barbara Pierce, 10213 19th Street, stated that it was not disclosed that the property was on the potential list at the time of purchase. She stated that the property was purchased with development in mind with the little house in question to be completely remodeled and new homes built on the remainder of the property. She is not in favor of designation. She stated that if someone wants the house, they can have it. She requested putting off the 'discussion until the owners returned from vacation. Commissioner Banks stated .that the owner should discuss the, options with staff as to the different Building Codes. She questioned the plans the owners had for the tree. Ms. Pierce stated that the tree is definitely staying. Mrs. Suruki , resident of 10223 19th Street, stated that she would like to know what the plans are for the property. ' Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the Historic Preservation Commission is not deciding how the property should be divided. He stated that the Planning Commission will decide that and that the surrounding property owners will be notified as to when that will be. He stated that the only thing the Historic Preservation Commission is. only to decide is the historic significance. Mrs. Suruki stated that the house is a eye sore. Hearing no further public comment, the hearing was closed. Commissioner Banks stated' that she felt the Commission should discuss the property and if the Commission is leaning toward designation, -then continue the item until the owners can attend. Commissioner Haskvitz stated that he felt the Commission should continue the item until the owners can be present. He stated that he would like to know the plans for the house within the new development. He stated that he did not. feel it was historically significant, but architecturally interesting. Commissioner Banks stated that she did not feel it was either historically or architecturally significant. HPC Minutes -2- September 1, 1988 l Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Cooper to deny the proposal to designate the Powelson-Beckley House, 10213 19th Street, Rancho Cucamonga as either a Historic Landmark or Point of Historic Interest. The motion carried by the foll.owing vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, COOPER, SCHMIDT, BILLINGS NOES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, ARNER ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM --carried Motion: Moved by Banks, seconded by Arner to recommend to the Planning Division the saving of the tree and if there is proposed removal , for it to be brought back to the Historic Preservation Commission. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, ARNER, SCHMIDT, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ, COOPER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM carried B. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE HELLMAN AVENUE WINDROW A LANDMARK OR POINT OF H15TORIC INTEREST, LOCATED ON HELLMAN AVENUE BLTWELN BASE LINE ROAD AND EW Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Frank Green, 7156 Hellman Avenue, is concerned with the hazard to traffic. He stated that the trees are difficult to live with and dirty, and that if the trees are to be preserved, then the City should maintain them. He stated his opposition to Point of Historic Interest designation. Howard Kilmurray, 7178 Hellman, said he thought the trees are important and he was in favor of preserving them. George Betzler, 7275 Hellman, stated that he was in favor of the removal' and replacement of the trees and widening both sides of the street. Marvin Billings, 7137 Hellman Avenue, stated he would like equal setbacks on both sides of Hellman. HPC Minutes -3- September 1, 1988 1 Marie Hurtzberger, 7202 Hellman Avenue, said she thought the trees are beautiful and stated her opposition to their removal . Bob Korpf, 7108 Hellman, stated he was neither in favor or against the removal of the trees, that his concern was the rock wall on the north side of his property. Hearing no further public comment, the hearing was closed. Commissioner Banks stated that the trees are aesthetically pleasing. She stated that the Commission may need more information from Engineering. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the only issue the Historic Preservation Commission is deciding on is if the trees are significant. He stated that if the Commission decided that the trees were not historically significant, the Commission could still send a message to the City Council that the Commission would still like it to have a Special Street Designation for improvements with the replanting of large trees, i .e. specimen size trees. Commissioner Billings stated that these are newer trees than some in the City. Commissioner Banks stated that there is not a clear cut issue of owner consent due to not dealing with one owner. Motion: Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Billings to deny a proposal to designate the Hellman Avenue Windrow as a Historic Landmark or Point of Historic Interest, but direct the Engineering Department if there is removal ' of the trees due to street widening that they be replaced with specimen size trees by designating the street as a Special Design Street. The motion not carried by the following vote: . AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, COOPER, BANKS ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM --not carried Motion: Moved by Arner, seconded by Cooper, to recommend to the City Council the. designation of the Hellman Avenue Windrow as a Point of Historic Interest with the recommendation of designation as a Special Design Street. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, COOPER, BANKS, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM --carried ' HPC Minutes -4- September 1, 1988 The Commission recessed at 8:00 R.M. and reconvened at 8:05 P.M. OLD BUSINESS C. THOMAS HOUSE - REFERRED .FROM PLANNING COMMISSION 'MEETING OF AUGUST 24, (Oral Report) Arlene Banks distributed a memorandum from the Historic Preservation Commission to the Planning Commission regarding the Thomas House and presented oral report. The Commission concurred to forward the memorandum to the Planning Commission. D. 9874 ARROW - REFERRED FROM CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF AUGUST 17, 1988 (Oral epor Arlene Banks- presented oral report. She stated that the Council would like more historical information. Mr. Liao is still opposed to designation. She ,stated that she would look for more information on the Croswells. ' Commissioner Banks stated that with the report it could be stated that this house does not seem or does meet the adjective "historic status". Arlene Banks stated that she will bring back any additional information and the Commission can then reconsider the proposal . E. PROGRESS ON INCENTIVES LETTER (Oral Report) Arlene Banks presented oral report. She stated they she is working on a Historic Overlay District that would be added to the Development Code and a demolition delay. NEW BUSINESS F. COUNCIL ACTIONS (Oral Report) Arlene Banks stated that the Roberds House has been designated as a Point of Historic Interest and the Etiwanda Grape Products House as a Point of Historic Interest. Commissioner Banks questioned the status of the Fisher House. HPC Minutes -5- September 1, 1988 Arlene Banks stated that it was heard at the August 7, 1988 City Council and a subcommittee was formed with Councilmember Jeff King to review the proposal with Mr. Fl ocker. The item was continued to September 21, 1988. Commissioner Banks stated that she has located the granddaughter of Mrs. Fisher and would like to set up a meeting with her. Arlene Banks stated that she would get in contact with Commissioner Banks. STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS G. VISITS FROM NABISCO AND AMERICAN NATIONAL CAN REPRESENTATIVES (Oral epor Arlene Banks presented the report. H. ESTACIA WILL BE CONSIDERED WHEN GIS MAP IS READY (Oral Report) Arlene Banks- presented the report. Larry Henderson stated that he was contacted by Monte Prescher of the City's ' Public Works Department in that they are doing construction work at Etiwanda and Victoria Avenues where the Etiwanda Metate is located. He stated that it needs to be moved several feet to the south. Commissioner Banks stated that the exact location is not important. She stated that it was designated as a Landmark not the location. COMMISSION BUSINESS . Commissioner Billings stated that the China House is now owned by the Cucamonga County Water District. He stated that they are putting up a chain link fence and boarding up the windows to prevent vandalism. Commissioner Billings stated that there is activity on the Klusman property. Commissioner Banks stated' that she would like the Commission to be recognized' for doing something correct once in awhile, such as designating the Minor House which has been purchased by a psychologist who intends to convert it to a professional office building. HPC;Minutes -6- --- September 1, 1988 Commissioner Arner questioned being able to attend the Small Town Conference. Larry Henderson stated that he would look into the budgeting. PUBLIC COMMENTS Marvin Billings commented he did not know the criteria in handling the issues of the public hearings. He stated that some of the Commissioners did not speak in a way that the public heard them weighing the criteria. He stated that the Commission does need to state the criteria so that the public would understand the issues. He did not feel that he understood what was going on because he had nothing to weigh it against. ADJOURNMENT 8:50 P.M. the Historic Preservation Commission meeting adjourned. Res ct/fully submitted, ell Orta Secretary HPC Minutes -7- September 1, 1988 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting August 4, 1988 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Gene Billings, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Bob Schmidt COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Marsha Banks, Marge Stamm STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner; Kelly Orta, Secretary, APPROVAL OF MINUTES ' Motion: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Arner, carried, to approve the minutes of July 7, 1988. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE RELPH HOUSE, 9468 LOMITA, A HISTORIC LANDMARK OR POINT OF HISTOM INTEREST - AM; 2ue-u?j.L-jY_ Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the 'public hearing. Crystal Goudey, representing the Relph House, stated she was in favor of the landmark designation. Hearing no further comment, the hearing was closed. Motion: Moved by Billings, seconded by Cooper, to , recommend approval of Historic. Landmark Designation of the Relph House, 9468 Lomita to the City Council . The motion carried by the following vote: HPC Minutes -1- August 4, 1988 AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, COOPER, HASKVITZ, ARNER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, STAMM --carried B. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE 6858 HERMOSA, A HISTORIC LANDMARK OR POINT OF Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing none, the hearing was closed. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned if there was any way to save the house. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the home is in poor condition and is not architecturally significant. Motion: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Billings, to not designate 6858 Hermosa as a Historic Landmark or Point of Historic Interest. The motion carried by the following vote: ' AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT, ARNER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, STAMM --carried C. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE SITE OF THE HAVEN AVENUE BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT ON HAVEN AVENUE BETWEEN FOOTHILL AND WILSON AS A POINT OF HISTORIC- Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Councilmember Pam Wright stated that this project is symbolic of the community spirit that existed prior to incorporation. She stated that she felt the City would be remiss if they did not commemorate this somehow when the beautification it being done on Haven Avenue. She stated that she did not want to see it tucked away, but placing it in a prominent place i .e. , Base Line and Haven, ,and/or Foothill Boulevard, at the shopping center on Haven. She stated that she did not want it to be a token monument. She requested HPC Minutes -2- - .August 4, 1988 that the Commission look at some of the other important corners along Haven Avenue so the monument may have more visibility. Commissioner Billings stated that this had originally started around Chaffey College. He suggested putting a row of trees up there. He stated that this type of tree serves a purpose of beautification and a shield for the basin. Arlene Banks stated that the Commission could recommend this with an added condition of placing them in a highly visible spot accessible to pedestrians. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated there is currently a problem with extending this line of trees all the way to Base Line, since the parkway currently is used up by a drainage channel . If some day, a box channel is constructed, the tree line could be extended. Commissioner Cooper stated that the corner of Foothill and Haven should tie into the Olive trees and the Mission Camp. She stated that she has no problem with coming down to Base Line. Hearing no further comments, the hearing was closed. Motion: Moved by Haskvitz, seconded by Billings, to recommend approval of the site of the Haven Avenue Beautification project on Haven Avenue between Foothill and Wilson as a Point of Historic Interest and recommend approval of Phase I as recommended by staff to the City Council . The motion carried by ' the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, BILLINGS, ARNER, COOPER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, STAMM --carried D. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE VAN FLEET HOUSE, 8818 ARCHIBALD AVENUE, A HISTORIC LANDMARK OR POINT OF HISTORIC INTEREST - ZU9-UJI-18. Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned if there was a possibility to use this building as a theme for the center. Larry Henderson stated that the architectural styles are completely different. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. HPC Minutes -3- August 4, 1988 Matthew Filpi , 8810 Archibald Avenue, concurred with the staff report. He stated that the original Van Fleet house was a two-story house that was torn down in 1963. He stated that they considered the house in question tonight the "little house". He stated that they are now in the process of developing an auto repair center with the little house having to come down because the elevation would be too low for the surrounding property. He stated that when the time comes for demolition, the City is welcome to the house. He stated that the people that are living in it asked if they could have the house and move it on a lot, which the owners agreed to. Hearing no further comment, the hearing was closed. Motion: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Haskvitz, to not designate the Van Fleet House as a Historic Landmark or Point of Historic Interest, but to go with the recommendation of City staff to attempt to salvage it in whole or in parts and directing staff to assit and facilitate the relocation if possible. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, HASKVITZ, ARNER, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, STAMM --carried OLD BUSINESS E. INCENTIVES Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Larry Henderson stated that the City Council is very supportive of these incentives and the direction in which the Historic Preservation Commission is going. F. LEDIG HOUSE Arlene Banks presented the staff report. , G. CEQA - Review of materials from California Preservation Foundation -Co—nference. The Commission concurred to continue this discussion at a later date. HPC Minutes -4- August 4, 1988 The Commission recessed at 8:10 P.M. and reconvened at 8:15 P.M. H. ETIWANDA GRAPE PRODUCTS - Recycling barn lumber at Chaffey-Garcia; documentation 6--winery. Arlene Banks presented the staff report. I. ELLENAJREGINA UPDATE - Nabisco executive to visit Rancho Cucamonga regar ing u ure possible adaptive reuse. Arlene Banks presented the staff report. She opened it up for suggestions for uses of the buildings. Commissioner Haskvitz suggested maybe a crafts center or farmer's market. NEW BUSINESS J. SEPTEMBER AGENDA - 10213 19th Street; Owner Consent Discussion; Estacia Concept e c es; More Information On Incentives; Archeological ' Information Center. Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Motion: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Arner, to direct staff to inquire about the availability of Community Development Block Grant funds to purchase archeological map. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, ARNER, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, STAMM --carried ANNOUNCEMENTS K. COUNCIL ACTION ON HPC RECOMMENDATIONS Arlene Banks presented the staff report. She stated that the Ledig House was designated as a Landmark, •the incentives were accepted favorably, and the Fisher House was continued until a meeting with Mr. Flocker, Councilmember Jeff King and staff could be held to discuss possible incentives. HPC Minutes -5- August 4, 1988 L. DESIGNATION ON AUGUST 17TH CITY COUNCIL AGENDA Arlene Banks presented the items that will be heard at the August 17, 1988 City Council meeting. . M. MIXED-USE PROJECT AT ETIWANDA AND BASE LINE ROAD Arlene Banks presented the staff. report. Commissioner Haskvitz stated that there may be some Indian artifacts in this area. The Commission concurred that if the archeological map can be purchased, this will help in formulating information on this .area. N. SESQUICENTENNIAL REPORT Commissioner Arner reported that the sesquicentennial calendar is ready to be published. Commissioner Haskvitz reported that the kick-off will be at either the ' Sycamore Inn or the Christmas House in September. 0. SCHOWALTER GROVE SITE Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Arlene Banks announced that the Commission has been requested to comment on the historical significance of the Biane Winery Sign at Eighth and Archibald. The Commission concurred that the sign was not of historic significance, but would like to have it saved and stored. Arlene Banks stated that the Fire Department is requesting that the house on Center Street associated with the Virginia Dare. Winery be demolished due to fire damage. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned if there were any salvagable parts. Larry Henderson stated that it has been totally destroyed inside leaving no salvagable parts. HPC Minutes —6- August 4, 1988 The Commission concurred with ,the demolition indicating it is unfortunate and that the City needs to develop an emergency fund to move and save such structures. Arlene Banks announced that the Minor House and the land around it is for sale. for $95,000.00. COMMISSION BUSINESS There was no Commission business at°this time. PUBLIC COMMENTS There were no public comments at this time. ADJOURNMENT Motion: Moved by Cooper, seconded by Arner, unanimously carried, to adjourn. 9:10 P.M. - Historic Preservation Commission Adjourned. ' Resp ctfully submitted, Kelly Ort Secretary HPC Minutes -7- August 4, 1988 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting July 7, 1988 Acting Chairman Marsha Banks called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission meeting to order at 7:00' p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Acting Chairman Banks then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Ada, Cooper, Alan Haskvitz, Marge Stamm COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Gene Billings, Bob Schmidt STAFF PRESENT Brad Buller, City Planner (7:40 P.M. ), Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, Kelly Orta, Secretary, ' APPROVAL OF NINUTES Commissioner Stamm moved to approve the Minutes of June 2, 1988 as amended. Commissioner Arner seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following. vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM, ARNER, BANKS, HASKVITZ, COOPER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, SCHMIDT --carried PUBLIC HEARING A. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE 9605 AND 9611 ESTACIA COURT A HISTORIC LANDMARK - Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Acting Chairman Banks opened the public hearing. Acting Chairman Banks questioned Mr. Bob Poole, representing Vineyard National Bank if he was able to discuss some of the alternatives discussed at the workshop with Vineyard Bank. HPC MINUTES'A -1- JULY 7, 1088 Mr. 'Poole stated that he could, but would wait and see what the Commission came up with. Hearing no public comment, Acting Chairman Banks closed the public hearing. Commissioner Haskvitz moved to deny the designation of 9605 and 9611 Estacia Court as a Historic Landmark for the reasons stated in the staff report. Commissioner Stamm seconded the motion. .The motion carried by the following vote:. AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, STAMM, BANKS, COOPER, ARNER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, SCHMIDT --carried Commissioner Arner moved to direct staff, with guidance from the Historic Preservation Commission, as to which houses have .the most architectural significance, to develop schemes by which the area can be developed into a pedestrian mall . Commissioner Stamm seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, STAMM, BANKS, COOPER, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE , ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, SCHMIDT --carried B. A PROPOSAL TO .DESIGNATE THE ALTA LOMA CITRUS ASSOCIATION PACKING HOUSE, Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Acting Chairman Banks opened the public hearing. Christina Sierra, attorney representing American National Can, stated that she has advised the home office of the comments made at the last public hearing. She stated that the Real Estate Department has not yet concluded the evaluation of the property. She stated that they are trying to make arrangements with a real estate appraiser. She stated that preliminarily, American National Can does not believe it would be economically feasible to designate any of the buildings other than the 1929 building. She stated that she has been authorized to request a further continuance until the next meeting to allow the home office time to get their appraisal of the property. Acting Chairman Banks questioned if a one-month continuance is adequate. HPC MINUTES -2- JULY 79j4 988 Ms. Sierra stated that it will take some time to obtain an appraiser and that the appraising procedure will take longer than a. three week period. Acting Chairman Banks closed the public hearing. Commissioner Haskvitz moved to continue the designation of 7125 Amethyst Avenue, the Alta Loma Citrus Association Packing House, to October 6, 1988. Commissioner Arner seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, ARNER, BANKS, COOPER, STAMM NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, SCHMIDT carried, C. . A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE ROBEROS HOUSE, 7201 AMETHYST AVENUE, A Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Acting Chairman Banks opened the public hearing. Bob Herrick, attorney representing the Roberds family, stated that one of the concerns of the family is the land surrounding the house. He questioned if the land is part of the designation. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the designation applies to the legal description. He stated that they would need an alteration permit and parcel map to subdivide the property. Mr.. Herrick stated that the family opposes the designation for a number of reasons. He stated that they do not agree with the findings in the staff report. He stated that they are concerned with their ability to develop the property. He stated that they feel there is no .historic significance. He stated that the Commission needs to consider the economic impact on the family if it is designated. He stated that they would be happy to provide the Commission with a formal appraisal . Commissioner Arner stated that staff felt that the house was significant because of the people that lived there. Mr. Herrick stated that he felt that that was not sufficient enough to warrant the designation. He stated that the significance of that historical connection is somewhat obscure. Commissioner Stamm stated that it is not obscure. ' She stated that this house along with one other house is indicative of the whole history of the village of old Alta Loma. She stated that Mrs. Roberds was very important in the community and that the house is a symbol of her. HPC MINUTES. -3- JULY 7, J`988 Mr. Herrick stated that Mrs. Roberds did not wish designation. Commissioner Cooper stressed the historical significance of the Roberds family. Mr. Ron Roberds, grandson of the Mrs. Rilla Roberds, expressed his opposition to designation. He stated he was concerned about the resale value. Acting Chairman Banks closed the public hearing. Commissioner Stamm stated that she would like to retain the identity in some way. Acting Chairman Banks stated that this house can not be seen from the street. She stated that she cannot tell if this house is attractive enough that someone would want to use it commercially. Commissioner Stamm stated that it has cultural value, maybe not historical value. Commissioner Haskvitz stated that maybe the designation could be reduced to a Point of Historic Interest. Staff concurred that this could be done. Mr. Herrick consulted with his clients and stated that the family would be ' honored to have the Point of Historic Interest designation. Commissioner Cooper moved to recommend designation of 7201 Amethyst Avenue, the Roberds House, as a Point of Historic Interest to the City Council for approval . Commissioner Stamm seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, STAMM, HASKYITZ, ARNER, BANKS NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, SCHMIDT --carried D. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE ETIWANDA GRAPE PRODUCTS CO., 9370 ETIWANDA AVENUE, A HISTORIC LANDMARK OR POINT OF HI310RTC - - 83- Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Acting Chairman Banks opened the public hearing. Hearing noone, Acting Chairman Banks closed the public hearing. HPC MINUTES -4- JULY 7, "I988 Acting Chairman Banks stated that the idea of moving the 'barn was presented to the Etiwanda Historical Society, but it is really too big. She stated that maybe they could design the new 'barn as a replica and use the siding. from the barn. She stated that she was concerned over the time limit given by the Water District to move the barn. Arlene Banks stated that it was her understanding that the 30 to 60 days was to decide if the Etiwanda Historical Society was interested, not to make the arrangements. Larry Hendersom stated that the Water District is concerned about liability if there was a fire. Commissioner Arner moved to recommend designation of 9370 Etiwanda Avenue, the Etiwanda Grape Products Co., as a Point of Historic Interest to the City Council for approval . Commissioner Haskvitz seconded the motion. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, HASKVITZ, ARNER, BANKS, COOPER NOES COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, SCHMIDT --carried Arlene Banks questioned if the Commission agreed with staff as to documentation of the building. The Commission concurred. E. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE THOMAS HOUSE, 1980 VINEYARD, A HISTORIC LANDMARK OR POINT OF HISTORIC RESApm: Zu/-1Uz-U9. Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Acting Chairman Banks questioned if the City Council Resolution would be able to include the two recommendations to the Planning Commission. She stated that she wanted the City Council to be aware that the Historic Preservation Commission is aware of owner opposition and is taking mitigating measures. Larry Henderson stated that the City Council would receive all copies of the previous staff reports and the Historic Preservation Commission 's recommendation to the Planning Commission. Arlene Banks stated that this item would first go before the Planning Commission. HPC MINUTES•;; -5- JULY 7, (1)988 Acting Chairman Banks re-opened the public hearing. Hearing noone, Acting Chairman Banks closed the public hearing. Commissioner Cooper moved to recommend designation of 7980 Vineyard, the Thomas House, as a Historic Landmark to the and City Council including staff's two additional recommendations to the Planning Commission. Commissioner Stamm seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, STAMM, ARNER, BANKS, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, SCHMIDT -=carried F. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE 9874 ARROW HIGHWAY A HISTORIC LANDMARK OR POINT OF Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Acting Chairman Banks opened the public hearing. John Liao, owner of the property, stated that they have presented the plan for initial review. He stated he is still in opposition to the designation, but ' he worked with the architect to incorporate the house into the design. He stated he will suffer a big loss with designation. He questioned if there will be compensation for his loss. Victor Palos, architect with Inland Design,, architect for this project, stated that it was unfortunate his client was not aware of the possible designation before he purchased the land and submitted the first site plan for review. He stated the density cannot be maximized with the house left -on the' property. He stated that a better design could be done without the house. He stated it will become an economic hardship trying to incorporate detailings from the existing house. Acting Chairman Banks closed the public hearing. Larry Henderson stated that in response to Mr. Liao's question, the City has no mechanism for financial compensation to the developer. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that the majority of developments with a maximum of 14 dwelling units per acre usually get about 10-11 dwelling units per acre, which is about 75% maximum density. Acting Chairman Banks stated she would like to see the four units in front of the house be moved for better visibility. HPC MINUTES -6- JULY 7, .J988 Larry Henderson stated that this project has not been presented to the Design Review Committee and they may be have other ideas as to the design. The Commission concurred that the developer should be commended for working with staff in coming up with a possible solution. Commissioner Haskvitz moved to recommend designation of 9874 Arrow Highway as a Historic Landmark to the City Council for approval . Commissioner Arner seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, ARNER, COOPER, BANKS, STAMM NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, SCHMIDT --carried The Commission concurred on the following items that might be included in the design: tile roofs with curly Q's at the ends, tile vents, stucco exterior, Mission style roof line, and flattened arches. NEW BUSINESS G. INCENTIVES FOR PRESERVATION Arlene Banks presented the staff report. The Commission, together with City staff, prioritized the incentives and discussed further action involved in each incentive. The Commission directed staff to pursue as a first priority an Ordinance for Demolition Delay. The Commission directed staff to further pursue an Ordinance regarding Facade Easements, to investigate further the Mills Act, to further pursue an Ordinance regarding Waiving of Fees, to get more information on Marks Historical Rehabilitation Act, Provision of Design Services and Property Tax Rebate. The Commission also directed staff to further investigate Ordinances for Density Bonus, Expansion of Non-Conforming Uses and for Examining Parking Requirements. The Commission concurred that when the Incentives are finished, have a seminar with the Board of Realtors for their education. H. POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS FOR AUGUST 4, ,1988 Arlene Banks presented the staff report. She stated that she needed information on these items. The Commission concurred that 10213 19th Street and 8291 Foothill Boulevard should be heard in September and that staff should initiate an application on the residence on the west side of Hermosa Avenue, north of Victoria, and set a public hearing for 9468 Lomita, and Haven Avenue Cypress Trees for August. The Commission directed staff to initiate an application on 8818 Archibald Avenue for August. HPC MINUTES' -7- JULY 7,Ji988 Acting Chairman Banks stated she would look into the application of an Alteration Permit for landscaping 'and irrigation for the Chaffey-Garcia House that could be added to the August agenda. ANNOUNCEMENTS I. COUNCIL ACTION ON RECOMMENDED ITEMS Arlene Banks confirmed the action taken by the City Council on the recommended items. J. CHAFFEY HISTORIC HOMES PARK Arlene Banks stated that there is no longer a Chaffey Historic Homes Park. Commissioner Haskvitz moved to inform the City's Engineering Division that the Historic Preservation strongly recommend preservation of the Ledig House and recommend that the minimum bid be $1.00 to ensure the saving of the house. Commissioner Arner seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following voter AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, ARNER, ,BANKS, COOPER, NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, STAMM --carried ' K, DISCUSSION WITH DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY Arlene Banks relayed information received from the Deputy City Attorney regarding legality of not having owner consent for designation. ' L. OWNER LETTER The Commission concurred to table the owner letter until the incentives and the brochure is complete. ANNOUNCEMENTS Brad Buller presented the Photo Awards to the Historic Preservation Commission for housing. He requested the Commission to decide on a place for viewing. Commissioner Cooper stated that Rudy from the American Legion has read the letter regarding the Honor Roll and it will be brought up at the Legion. e Commissioner Haskvitz stated that the Commission should send a thank you letter to the sponsors of the Photo Contest. Larry Henderson announced that nameplates need to be ordered for the Photo Contest winning pictures. HPC MINUTES -8- JULY 7, "1;988 C"ISSION BUSINESS Acting Chairman Banks stated that the Commission needs to set up a special meeting regarding owner consent. The Commission directed staff to look into setting up the special meeting regarding owner consent in September. ADJOURKNENT: Acting Chairman Banks adjourned the meeting at 10:25 P.M. Resp ctfully submi ted, Ke ly 0 a Secretary HPC MINUTES -9- JULY 7, 1988 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting June 2, 1988 Chairman Bob Schmidt called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Ada. Cooper, Bob Schmidt, Marge Stamm, Alan Haskvitz COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Gene Billings STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, Kelly Orta, Secretary SPECIAL STAFF REPORT ON OWNER CONSENT ISSUE Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, presented staff report Chairman Schmidt stated he was against fighting owners. He stated that there are exceptions, but he is in favor of working with the owners that really want designation. Commissioner Banks stated she was concerned with a Point of Interest not coming back before the Commission for alterations. Commissioner Cooper moved to direct staff to prepare an educational letter informing owners on the survey list about preservation. Commissioner Haskvitz seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, HASKVITZ, BANKS, ARNER, SCHMIDT, STAMM NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS The Commissioner concurred to further discuss the Alternatives at a' later meeting. HPC MINUTES -1- JUNE 2 , 1988 APPROVAL OF MINUTES Commissioner Banks moved to approve the Minutes of April 7, 1988 and May 5, 1988 as amended. Commissioner Arner seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, ARNER, COOPER, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT, STAMM NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried PUBLIC HEARINGS A. 9605 AND 9611 ESTACIA COURT Arlene Banks presented staff, report. Commissioner Banks suggested that the Commission adjourn to a special workshop to review the Foothill Boulevard Specific Plan. The Commission directed staff to set a time, date and place for the workshop. Commissioner Banks stated that she feels 9611 is not worth saving, but 9605 , is. She questioned if Vineyard Bank 'would be willing to move 9605 nearby. Arlene ,Banks stated that the bank might be able to use 9605 as an office. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Bob Poole, representing Vineyard Bank, stated that they would be willing to work with the Commission, but they need a decision: He stated that they would agree to participate in the special workshop and a continuance of this item until the July 7, 1988 regular meeting. Commissioner Cooper stated she felt the other five or so houses on the south side of Estacia Court are more significant than the two being discussed. Chairman Schmidt closed 'the public hearing. Commissioner Banks moved to continue designation of 9605 and 9611 Estacia Court to the meeting of July 7, 1988 to give the Commission time to review the Foothill Boulevard Specific Plan at a special workshop. Commissioner Stamm seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: HPC MINUTES -2- JUNE 2 , 1988 AYES:- COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, STAMM, ARNER, SCHMIDT, HASKVITZ, COOPER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried ,B. HISTORIC LANDMARK- DESIGNATION OF 7125 AMETHYST AVENUE, RANCHO CUCAMONGA - proposa o esigna e e a ama e g s i rus socra ion acing House, 7125 Amethyst Avenue, a Historic Landmark - APN: 202-151-12. Arlene Banks presented the staff report. She stated that the owner has requested a continuance until the July 7, 1988 regular meeting. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. . Henry Pfsenreiter, Plant Manager, representing American National Can Company, stated that he was not at the last meeting. He stated that they are not against designation, but they have alot of questions that need to be answered first. Commissioner Banks stated that according to the Ordinance, there is no requirement to maintain the buildings, it just cannot be altered without ' review. She stated that maybe the corporate office could be made aware of the advantages of the buildings becoming landmarks. Christina Sierra, attorney retained by the corporate office, stated that they were retained only three (3) days ago and that is why they are requesting a continuance. She stated that the corporate office is mainly concerned with the affect of the value of the property that the designation will have and limitations on uses and alterations. Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission has had a policy to work with landmark owners in adapting structures so they may be maintained. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that if it was designated, the Historic Building Code could be used which is much less restrictive and more adapted to preserve these older wood-frame buildings. He stated that there are also tax incentives that might be utilized. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Arner moved to continue the designation of 7125 Amethyst Avenue to the July 7, 1988 regular meeting. Commissioner Stamm seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: HPC MINUTES -3- JUNE 2 , 1988 AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, STAMM, BANKS, COOPER, 'HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried C. HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE STATOM-BINGHAM HOUSE, 6743 AMETHYST Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing no comment, Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Stamm expressed concern over the use of wood on the roof because of the termite problem. 1. Commissioner Banks stated she does not like to make a decision without the owner present, but did not want to keep continuing the decision. Commissioner Arner moved to recommend approval of a Historic Landmark Designation of the Statom-Bingham House to the City Council . Commissioner Haskvitz seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: ' AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, HASKVITZ, BANKS, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, STAMM ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried D. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE ROBERDS HOUSE, 7201 AMETHYST AVENUE ORIGINALLY Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Ron Roberds, grandson of Will Roberds, stated that they would like to request a continuance to the July 7, 1988 regular meeting to review the Ordinance requirements and to turn it over to their attorneys for review. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. ' HPC MINUTES -4- JUNE 2, 1988 Commissioner Stamm moved to continue the designation of 7201 Amethyst Avenue to the July 7, 1988 regular meeting. Commissioner Banks seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM, BANKS, ARNER, COOPER, HASKVITZ, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: . BILLINGS --carried E. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE THE JAMISON' HOUSE,LANDMARK IN TRE _ 8204 ARCHIBALD AVENUE, A Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned if the owner was correct that the property is Commercial property. Arlene Banks stated that it is not now. Larry Henderson stated that the chances of this becoming a commercial site are very slim. ' Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing none, Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing: Commissioner Haskvitz moved to recommend approval of the Jamison House, 8204 Archibald Avenue a Historic Landmark to the City Council . Commissioner Cooper seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, COOPER, STAMM, SCHMIDT, ARNER, BANKS NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried Chairman Schmidt recessed the meeting at 8:30 P.M. and reconvened the meeting at 8:35 P.M. F. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE 9370 ETIWANDA AVENUE, THE ETIWANDA GRAPE PRODUCTS Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. HPC MINUTES -5- JUNE 2 , 1988 Mark Kinsey, representing Chino Basin Municipal Water District, explained the background of the proposed project. The District is supportive of the Point of Historic Interest Designation, but would like to continue this until a later date to work with City staff and the Commission to further define the goals of the project. He stated they would like to present this to their Board of Directors. He stated that it will take about two (2) .years to design the project with construction to start approximately the year 1990. Commissioner Banks suggested that the barn could be moved to the Chaffey- Garcia House site. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Banks moved to continue the, designation of 9370 Etiwanda Avenue, The Etiwanda Grape Products Co. to the July 7, 1988 regular, meeting. Commissioner Arner seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, ARNER, COOPER, HASKVITZ, STAMM, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried G. A PROPOSAL TO DESIGNATE 7980 VINEYARD, THE THOMAS HOUSE, A HISTORIC Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing noone, Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Arlene Banks stated that the owner wrote a letter stating he would like to speak on the matter, but would be unable to attend the meeting. Commissioner Haskvitz stated that if the Commission does not know exactly what the plans are, the Commission does not know what CEQA steps to take. Commissioner Banks stated she is concerned about tearing the building down and the office building not being built. Larry Henderson stated that as long as the hearing is in progress and has not been heard by the City Council , they cannot get a demolition permit. He stated that if it was designated a landmark, the owner would have to apply for a Alteration Permit or a request to- remove the building. He stated that at that time, there could be a condition placed on it stating that the owner could not •get a building permit until such criteria has been met. HPC MINUTES -6- JUNE 2, 1988 Commissioner Cooper stated that it is one of the oldest buildings, but, is concerned about putting in a big two-story building across the street from the Thomas Winery. She stated she would like to see the plan. Commissioner Haskvitz moved to continue the designation of 7980 Vineyard Avenue, The Thomas House to the July 7, 1988 regular meeting and direct staff to check into moving the house•to another location. Commissioner Cooper seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES,: COMMISSIONERS: HASKVITZ, COOPER, STAMM, SCHMIDT, BANKS, ARNER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried OLD BUSINESS H. LEDIG HOUSE UPDATE Arlene Banks presented the memorandum. The Commission concurred to have Mark Lorimer keep Arlene updated on the move ' of the house. I. ALTA LOMA HONOR ROLL Arlene Banks made reference to the memorandum. The Commission 'concurred that they felt this was located in an out-of-the-way place. Arlene Banks stated that the City maintenance crew could not maintained it because it is on private property. The Commission directed Arlene to get in contact with Mr. George Leimen of the Rancho Cucamonga American Legion Post to see if they could help in the maintenance. NEW BUSINESS J. POINT OF HISTORIC INTEREST DESIGNATION OF 9874 ARROW ROUTE - APN: 208- Arlene Banks presented the staff report.. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. HPC MINUTES -7- JUNE 2 , 1988 John Liao, owner of 9874 Arrow Route, stated that he is opposed to the designation. He stated he was concerned over the restrictions and the affect of the value of the property. He stated that if this was designated, he would not be able to develop it the way he wanted. He stated he would donate the structure if someone wanted to move it. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Cooper moved to continue the designation of 9874 Arrow Route to the July 7, 1988 regular meeting to enable staff bring the site plan in for Commission 's review. Commissioner Haskvitz seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, HASKVITZ, STAMM, SCHMIDT, ARNER, BANKS NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried K. JULY 7, 1988 SCHEDULED LANDMARK PUBLIC HEARINGS The Commission concurred to not hold any .new public hearings at the July 7, 1988 regular meeting due to an already full agenda. ' ANNOUNCEMENTS Commissioner Banks announced that the Etiwanda Historical Society's' Rummage Sale is June 11th. Arlene Banks made the following announcements: 1) Mr. Pallay is working with the City to move a historic house from Pasadena to Rancho Cucamonga; 2) an Environmental Impact Report is being done on the Foothill Freeway and will be commenting on cultural resources adjacent to' the corridor; 3) there is a permit for all but 300 cubic yards of the rock pile; 4) the Planning Commission approved a concrete tile roof for the Gerber House; 5) Paula Pachon, Community Services, received a call from Mary Smith wanting to donate a 1913 tool box used in making shoes. COMMISSION BUSINESS Commissioner Banks proposed to clear the agendas of July and. August of any new items to free up Arlene to develop a brochure explaining Historic Preservation and to direct staff to develop some amendments to the Ordinance that provide positive incentives for owning a landmark. The Commission concurred. HPC MINUTES -8- JUNE 2 , 1988 Chairman Haskvitz requested including CEQA information in the workshop. ADJOURNMENT Chairman Schmidt adjourned the meeting at 10:00 P.M. Res ectfully ubmitted, Kelly Orta Secretary HPC MINUTES -9= JUNE 2 , 1988 CITY OF RANCHO ,CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting May 5, 1988 Chairman Bob Schmidt call the Regular Meeting of the City of Ranclio Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Bob . Schmidt, Melicent Arner, Ada Cooper, COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Marge Stamm, Alan Haskvitz STAFF PRESENT: Brad Buller, City Planner, Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner,, Chris Westman, Assistant Planner, Kelly Orta, Secretary. ANNOUNCEMENTS Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, made the following announcements: 1) Referred to flyer from the City of Redlands regarding Remaking America which will be on display at the San Bernardino County Museum; 2) Referred to flyer on Restoring Your Older Home sponsored by Claremont Heritage; 3) Referred to memo on CDBG loans. She questioned if the Commission would like to suggest an amendment to the Block Grant Guidelines so that income qualified renters of historic houses would be eligible for loans. The Commission concurred to direct staff to prepare such an amendment. Arlene Banks announced that she would be meeting with Jim Anderson of Chaffey College regarding the site for a proposed historic home site. She announced that the City Council designated the Adams House and put the Regina/Ellena Winery on hold until staff can contact Nabisco. Chairman Schmidt reported on the Sesquicentennial meeting with the community groups. HPC MINUTES ,1- MAY 5, 1988 APPROVAL OF MINUTES r-, .There were no minutes presented for approval . PUBLIC HEARINGS A: LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 88-02 - GERBER CHILDREN'S CENTERS, request o develop a square foot c i ren s day care center on a portion of the site designated as Historic Landmark No. 26, the Minor House, located at 10089, Base Line Road. (Continued from March 3, 1988. ) Arlene Banks presented the staff report. She added that one of the concerns was in regards to the roof material . Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Tom Harris, Architect, representing Gerber's, stated that they have incorporated all of the changes requested by the Design. Review Committee, that they would like some direction from the Commission in regards to the asphalt shingle roof and that they will try to match the .rock as closely as possible for the exterior. Commissioner Banks stated that the developer has done a good job in meeting the Commission 's concerns. I ' The Commission concurred that the roof material was fine as presented. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Cooper moved to approve Landmark Alteration Permit 88-02. Commissioner Banks seconded the motion: The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, BANKS, ARNER, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: 'NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM, HASKVITZ --carried B. HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR 6743 AMETHYST AVENUE - a proposal o es gna e e to om- ing am House as a Historic Landmark. The house is located on the east side of Amethyst, south of 19th Street - APN: 202-111-15. (Continued from April 7, 1988) HPC MINUTES -2- MAY 5, 1988 Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Staff is requesting a continuance of this item -until the June 2, 1988 meeting to gather further information. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing none, Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Billings moved to continue Historic Landmark Designation for 6743 Amethyst Avenue to the meeting June 2, 1988. Commissioner Cooper seconded the motion. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, COOPER, ARNER, BANKS, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM, HASKYITZ --carried ' C. HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 9605 ESTACIA STREET A proposal o designate the. house owned y ineyar a ional Bank as a Historic Landmark, located east of Klusman, west of Archibald - APN: 208-153-14. (Continued from April 7, 1988.) HISTORIC .LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 9611 ESTACIA STREET - A proposal o designate the house owned y ineyar a ional Bank as a Historic Landmark, located east of Klusman, west of. Archibald - APN: 208-153-15. (Continued from April 7, 1988) Staff is requesting continuance to the June 2, 1988 meeting. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing noone, Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Banks stated she was pleased with the amount of information regarding to the ,incorporation of existing structures of historic significance in the Foothill Specific Plan. She stated in regards to moving the houses, they do not have significance other than in, their present location. Commissioner Cooper moved to continue Historic Landmark Designation of 9605 Estacia Street and 9611 Estacia Street to June 2, 1988. Commissioner Arner seconded the motion. The motion was carried by the following vote: ° HPC MINUTES -3- MAY 5, 1988 AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE . ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM, HASKVITZ --carried D. HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 7165 ETIWANDA AVENUE, RANCHO proposal o designate the Fisher House, 7165 t�wE 'tea—Avenue, a Historic Landmark - APN: 227-131-23. Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Robert Flocker, owner of 7165 Etiwanda - Avenue, the Fisher House, expressed his opposition to the designation. Copies of his written objections were distributed to the Commission. Commissioner Banks stated that one of Mr. Flocker's main concerns is , that the landmark status would prevent moving,, which is not the case. She stated he would have to come before the Commission with an Alteration Permit. She stated that the house is of great significance, that across the street from the house are two landmarks and there are two more to the north and that it is a great advantage to the City to have so many landmarks close together. She stated that if the owner deci des to move it that it will stay close by and maybe the property could be converted to commercial use. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, questioned if Mr. Flocker was planning to sell the property and the structure. Mr. Flocker stated that not at this time. He stated he feels the house is in the middle of the four acres and in the way of being able to develop the property. He stated that he has been trying to sell the house for some time and has had two offers. Larry Henderson questioned if the two offers had expressed any idea as to what purpose or location. Mr. Flocker stated that it was for residential use and they had desired keeping it in Etiwanda. Larry Henderson questioned if the structure was designated, would it bring a better selling price. Lx Mr. Flocker stated that he did not see how it would, but would place more restrictions on the property. He stated that it should be up to the property owner to have their property or structure designated. HPC. MINUTES -4- MAY 5, 1988 j Larry Henderson explained the procedure for designation and moving the structure. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Banks stated that she felt the economic value as a commercial use would be great if it was to remain at the site. Commissioner Arner moved to recommend to City Council the approval of the Historic Landmark Designation of 7165 Etiwanda Avenue. Commissioner Banks seconded the motion. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, COOPER, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM, HASKVITZ carried- ' * * * * * * E. HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 6797 HELLMAN AVENUE, RANCHO proposal o designate the Lord House, e man venue, a. Historic Landmark - APN: 202-061-12. Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Hearing none, Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Billings verified the significance of the house. Commissioner Billings moved to recommend to City Council the approval' of Historic Landmark Designation of 6797 Hellman Avenue, excluding the out buildings. Commissioner Arner seconded the motion. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, ARNER, BANKS, COOPER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS,: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM, HASKVITZ --carried HPC MINUTES -5- MAY 5, 1988 F. HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 7125 AMETHYST AVENUE, RANCHO proposal to designate the Alta Loma Heights itr�'us�Cssociation Packing House, 7125 Amethyst Avenue, a Historic Landmark - APN: 202-151-12. Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Commissioner Banks questioned if Building 1 is the one that needed repair. Arlene Banks stated yes. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Walt Toporek, representative of American National Can Company, stated' that their manager is out of state and requested a continuance of this item so that he may attend. Mr. Toporek stated that they are in the process of trying to acquire money to repair the building for weather damage. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Billings moved to continue Historic Landmark Designation of ' 7125 Amethyst Avenue to the meeting of June 2, 1988. Commissioner Banks seconded the motion. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, BANKS, ARNER, SCHMIDT, COOPER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM, HASKVITZ --carried G. HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 10150 FOOTHILL BOULEVARD, proposa o designate oo Boulevard a is oric Landmark - APN: 1077-601-05. Arlene Banks presented the staff report and requested the item to be tabled until more information could be made available. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. e Harold Miller, resident of Alta Loma and businessman at 10150 Foothill Boulevard, stated that he entered into a long-term lease with the owner, Mr. Cusumano, with the stipulation that prior to the expiration of the first portion of the lease that he would build a new structure on the lot which would mean the removal of the old structure. He stated that the designation would put an immediate end to the previous HPC MINUTES -6- MAY 5, 1988 i negotiation. He expressed his opposition to the designation of the structure. Dominick Cusumano, owner of 10150 Foothill Boulevard, stated that he bought the building with the intentions of taking the building down in about two or three years and building a multi—office structure and stated there is litigation going on to purchase the other half of the property from Mrs. Walters. He is opposed to the designation. George Guidera, owner of adjacent property to the east, relayed his additional information on the property to the Commission. Commissioner Banks explained the procedure for landmark designation. Mr. Guidera stated his concern over the designation and the effect it would have on the Foothill Boulevard Specific Plan. He stated that there are more historical sites and buildings on. Foothill Boulevard than this one. He expressed his opposition to the designation. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Banks moved to follow staff's recommendation and table this ' item until further information can be made available. Commissioner Arner seconded the motion. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONER: BANKS, ARNER, BILLINGS, COOPER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM, HASKVITZ --carried OLD BUSINESS H. SCHOWALTER ROCK PILE Arlene Banks presented staff report. Commissioner Billings stated that a monument could placed at the approximate northern and southern end of it. Arlene Banks clarified if they meant Vista Grove. and Wilson and maybe Hillside, which is halfway. Commissioner Banks stated yes. The Commission concurred'. HPC MINUTES -7- MAY 5, 1988 The Commission discussed the shape of the monument sign. Commissioner Banks stated that she would like to see the monument sign as close to the height of the original rock wall as possible. Commissioner Cooper moved to direct staff to use the pyramid shape as the example of the monument sign to present to the developer. Commissioner Billings seconded the motion. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, BILLINGS, BANKS, ARNER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: ' NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM, HASKVITZ --carried Arlene Banks presented information on a tentative tract map proposed in the location of the southern end of the rock wall . .Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Mr. Johnson, developer of the tentative tract, stated that they are , designing a_ perimeter wall and the rock wall would interfere with the backyards of the houses. He stated if they used a mortar wall , the cost would be high. He stated that he recognizes the historic content of the rock wall . He stated he would be willing to put up a monument, use the rock as pilasters to break up the perimeter wall , etc. He stated they had also thought of calling the development something after the Schowalters. Commissioner Billings stated he would be in favor of monumentation. The Commission concurred that the developer should utilize rock as much as possible. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. The Commission concurred that the plaque should explain the length of the rock pile. Arlene Banks stated that staff would bring back any wording to the Commission for their review and approval , " Commissioner Banks questioned staff if the southern end of the southern portion could be marked for public viewing. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that staff is going to try to create something symbolic that there was a wall . He stated that there could be rock laid the breadth of the wall with a plaque at ground level . HPC MINUTES -8- MAY 5, 1988 Commissioner Banks moved that there be a monument at the northern end of the southern section of wall on Hillside and encourage the use of rock as much as possible and direct staff 'to come back with possible demarkations of the southern end of the southern wall . Commissioner Billings seconded the motion. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, BILLINGS, ARNER, COOPER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM, HASKVITZ --carried NEW BUSINESS I. POINT OF INTEREST DESIGNATION FOR THE SEDGE BOG ECOLOGICAL PRESERVE AT DAY CANYON - A proposal o designate the sag pong/peat bog known as the Sedge Bog Ecological Preserve at ' Day Canyon as a Point of Historic Interest. Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Commissioner Arner moved to recommend to City Council the approval of Point of Interest Designation for the Sedge Bog Ecological Preserve at Day Canyon. Commi.ssioner Banks seconded the motion. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM, HASKVITZ --carried J. JUNE 2, 1988 SCHEDULED LANDMARK PUBLIC HEARINGS Information received by the Commission. COMMISSIONER BUSINESS Larry Henderson explained the creation of a Work Program for the Historic Preservation Commission. Larry Henderson clarified other items regarding the ,Bog area. HPC MINUTES -9- MAY 5, 1988 Commissioner Banks stated that maybe a letter should go to residents of potential sites if they are in favor of having their site designated. Arlene Banks stated she is working on a Press Release for The Daily Report in regards to preservation. Commissioner Cooper questioned if the Commission would like to go on with the 10150 Foothill Boulevard site. Arlene Banks stated that staff needs to look over the Foothill Plan before going any further on the project. ADJOURNMENT Chairman Schmidt adjourned the meeting at 9:40 P.M. Res tfully submitted by, /Ke ly Or� Secretary HPC MINUTES -10- MAY 5, 1988 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting April 7, 1988' Chairman Bob Schmidt call the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance.' ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Bob Schmidt, Marge Stamm, Melicent Arner, Ada Cooper, Alan Haskvitz COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: NONE STAFF PRESENT: Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, Kelly Orta, Secretary. ANNOUNCEMENTS Arlene Banks, Associate Planner, made the following announcements: . 1) Staff is still looking into the bog and it will be on next agenda; 2) '. Distribution of copies of the article about Mr. Haskvitz that was in the San Gabriel Valley Tribune; 3) Reported on her attendance at a workshop given by The National Trust for Historic Preservation in which she received a training manual which will be reproduced and distribute it to the Commission; 4) A handout on the benefits of preservation is currently being developed; 5) Distributed material regarding the Charles - Loomis open house; and 6) Announcement that the Gerber Center/Minor House will be submitting plans and will be on the April 21, 1988 Design Review agenda, which will put it on the. May Historic Preservation Commission agenda. Commissioner Arner questioned the status of the bog. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that they are still reviewing the Draft EIR and nothing else has been done. He stated that staff will be responding to the Environmental Impact Report. Commissioner Arner questioned if the Commission should - be doing something in regards to the EIR. HPC MINUTES -1- APRIL 7, 1988 Larry Henderson stated that the Commission could write to Terri Rahhal who is a planner with the County of San Bernardino, West Valley Team. Commissioner Arner reported on the KNBC publicity dinner she and Bob Schmidt went to. Commissioner Haskvitz announced that CCWD has a •new public relations person that the Commission might utilize to do a history of water i6 the City. Commissioner Haskvitz announced that his students will be guests at the Lummis House Open House. Commissioner Haskvitz expressed his concern with the use of water in landscaping and drought resistant planting. APPROVAL OF MINUTES , Motion: Moved by Commissioner Stamm, seconded by Commissioner Banks to approve the Minutes from February 4, 1988 as amended and March 3, 1988 as amended. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: STAMM, BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, SCHMIDT, ARNER, HASKVITZ NOE: NONE ABSENT: NONE PUBLIC HEARINGS A. HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 7914 ALTA CUESTA DRIVE - A proposal o designate the Adams House as Historic Landmark No. 29. The house is located at the corner of Alta Cuesta and Buena Vista Drive - APN: 207473-09. Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. HPC MINUTES -2- APRIL 7, 1988 Bob Saunders, resident of Rancho Cucamonga, questioned as to the basis of designating a landmark and the advantage of being designated. Chairman Schmidt stated that their was a survey ,done of every site built before 1946, which includes other items such as trees, curbs. He stated that the Commission then reviews them as a public hearing. Arlene Banks stated that the idea is that there is little left from earlier times and it very important to preserve what is left. Bob Saunders stated he thought if something is designated, then nothing can be done to alter that property. Arlene Banks gave Mr. Saunders a copy of the letter. sent to the Habecker's explaining designation. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Cooper moved that 7914 Alta Cuesta, the Adams House be recommended to the City Council for approval . Commissioner Arner seconded the motion. ' Commissioner Haskvitz stated that the house is nice, but the people and architecture were not significant enough for designation. Commissioners Cooper and Billings clarified the significance of the Adams family. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COOPER, ARNER, BANKS, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, STAMM NOES: HASKVITZ ABSENT: NONE --carried . . B. HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR 6743 AMETHYST AVENUE A . proposal o designate the Statom-Bingham House as Historic Landmark No. 30. The house is located on the east side of Amethyst, south of 19th Street - APN: ' 202-111-15. Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. John Hafner, owner of 6743 Amethyst Avenue, stated that he is concerned over the shingles being •a rotted material . He questioned the procedure to replace them. HPC MINUTES -3- APRIL 7, 1988 Commissioner Banks stated that any adjustment to the home would have to go through the Alteration Permit process through the Historic Preservation Commission. In addition, she stated that staff would be as helpful as possible in the source of materials that could be used. John Hafner questioned if wanted to extend the front of the house out to give more living room, what would be the procedure?, Commissioner Banks stated that if the house was designated by City Council , he would have to come before the Historic Preservation Commission for approval . The Commission concurred that the, barns were not part of the designation. Commissioner Haskvitz stated he would like to see the trees preserved. John Hafner questioned his advantage of having it designated as a landmark as far as taxes. Commissioner Banks stated that there would be if it was a business. John Hafner requested a continuance to research replacement , possibilities for the wall shingles, until next month. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Billings moved that this item, be continued until May 5, 1988. Commissioner Cooper seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: BILLINGS, COOPER, ARNER, BANKS, SCHMIDT, STAMM, HASKVITZ NOES: NONE ABSENT: NONE --carried C. HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION NO. 31 - CITY OF RANCHO A- proposal to designate the Nabisco ran s, nc. egina ooking Wine and Wine Vinegar facility/Ellena Brothers Winery located at 12467 Base Line Road as Historic Landmark No. 31 - APN: 227-161-10 and 24. Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. HPC MINUTES -4- APRIL 7, 1988 Mr. Cherpin, plant manager at Nabisco, stated that Nabisco does not have objections to designation as long it does not have any objections to the Work being done there. He stated that Nabisco was concerned over the affect the designation would have on selling and price of the land. Chairman Schmidt stated that he did not see how it would affect it adversely. Commissioner Haskvitz stated .that it could be of great benefit to the selling. He stated that he would hate to see it go. Larry Henderson stated that the purchase price of the land has to do with the buyer and the use he proposes. Mr. Cherpin questioned if the zoning could be changed from Residential to Commercial ? Larry Henderson stated that was one of staff's recommendations. He stated that if the Commission wanted, staff would investigate further the establishment of an Overlay Zone that would permit that type of activity to take place subject to a Conditional Use Permit. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Banks moved to direct staff to develop an Overlay Zone concept and bring back to the Commission. Commissioner Haskvitz seconded the.motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: BANKS, HASKVITZ,, ARNER, BILLINGS, COOPER; SCHMIDT, STAMM NOES: NONE ABSENT: NONE Commissioner Cooper moved that the designation name be The Ellena Brothers Winery also known as The Regina Winery. Commissioner Billings , seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COOPER, BILLINGS, BANKS, ARNER, SCHMIDT, STAMM, HASKVITZ NOES: NONE ABSENT: NONE Commissioner Banks moved to recommend the Ellena Winery for Historic Landmark status to the City Council . Commissioner Arner seconded the motion. The motion carried by the followi.ng vote: HPC MINUTES -5- APRIL 7, 1988 AYES: BANKS, ARNER, BILLINGS, COOPER, SCHMIDT, STAMM, HASKVITZ NOES: NONE ABSENT: NONE --carried Arlene Banks stated that staff would be reporting back to the Commission on the Overlay Zone in June. D. HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 9605 ESTACIA STREET - A proposa o designate the house owned y Vineyard National Bank as Historic Landmark No. 32, located east of KTusman, west of Archibald - APN: 208-153-14. HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 9611 ESTACIA STREET - A proposal o designate the house owned y ineyar a ional Bank as Historic Landmark No. 33, located east of Klusman, west of Archibald - APN: 208-153-15. Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Steven Sensenbach, President of Vineyard National Bank, the owners of the property gave a presentation covering the costs of the property, the background and reasons for acquisition. In addition, he indicated City staff estimated 15 parking spaces could be utilized on the subject site, but his engineer indicated 35 spaces. Chairman Schmidt questioned how many employees they had. Steven Sensenbach stated they had 55 cars, not 30 the report stated. He stated they had about 60 employees at the bank with some carpooling. He stated that on a daily average, they have about 55 employee cars plus company cars. Barbara Clark, resident of 9605 Estacia, stated that it is very hectic with the cars and does not like her children playing outside. She stated she had heard the City Council was going to make that street into a cul-de-sac: and move the sidewalk over 9 feet and then the bank would not have access. Bob Saunders, owner of two pieces of property directly south of the two in question indicated that he agrees with the Mr. Sensenbach, because of the serious problem with parking. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. HPC MINUTES -6- APRIL 7, 1988 r Commissioner Haskvi.tz questioned whether the parking lot CCWD is going build would alleviate some of the parking problem. Commissioner Banks indicated that it is not the Commission 's mission to determine parking spaces or traffic flow and that the Commission should look at the houses in- historical context. The Commission questioned how the Foothill Plan deals with the houses on Foothill and the houses on Foothill could not be saved, the ones on Estacia could loose their significant. Commissioner Cooper moved to continue this item until May 5y 1988 and direct staff to review the Foothill Plan and determine the possibility of a historic district. Commissioner Banks seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COOPER, BANKS, BILLINGS, ARNER, SCHMIDT, STAMM, HASKVITZ NOES: NONE ABSENT: NONE --carried OLD BUSINESS E. UPDATE OF LEDIG HOUSE Arlene Banks presented the memorandum. Commissioner Banks stated she still not see why the streets cannot be moved instead of tearing down or moving a structure. Commissioner Stamm stated she would look into this house. The Commission concurred that the,Planning Division needs to educate the Engineering Division on considering all alternatives before tearing down or moving a structure and . that historic preservation should be considered before road widening. F. UPDATE ON CEQA Arlene Banks presented a memorandum. She stated that staff is aware that if any project will have an impact on any properties on the list, ' they would have to come to Historic Preservation staff before a permit. is issued. Staff indicated the other Departments would be informed of the City Attorney's decision. HPC MINUTES -7- APRIL 7, 1988 G. UPDATE ON NIGHT BLOOMING CEREUS Arlene Banks stated that the City Council did designate the Night Blooming Cereus as a Historic Landmark. Commissioner Cooper stated that this Night Blooming Cereus is located on the property of the first house on Red Hill . H.- 'UPDATE ON WINERY EQUIPMENT Arlene Banks presented update on the Colombero Winery .Equipment. She stated that Mr. Clark can transport the equipment without the help of City staff and it will temporarily be housed with him until the •Chaffey Garcia House is ready. NEW BUSINESS I. HISTORIC POINT OF INTEREST "J" - SCHOWALTER ROCK PILE - A proposal o designate the Schowalter Rock Pile portion that runs north-south for 1,000 feet from the Vista Grove right-of- way to the north side of Hillside Road, approximately 600 feet east of Hermosa Avenue as Historic Point of Interest "J". ' Arlene Banks presented the staff report. Larry Henderson added that they went to the site with the Building Official and determine if the part that was already removed. constitute a hazard. He determined that there would be liability problems retaining the wall because of the dry construction. Commissioner Banks questioned if the southerly portion could be saved. Larry Henderson responded by indicating the structural make-up is not done as well and therefore may not be worth retention. Chairman Schmidt opened the public hearing. Jane Dunlap, resident of Rancho Cucamonga, stated the wall has been pretty much demolished and no need to discuss it any further, but that perhaps .a portion could be saved or one of the large rocks used and put a plaque on it. Chairman Schmidt closed the public hearing. Commissioner Stamm stated she liked the idea of a rock with a plaque on it. Larry Henderson stated that maybe where the street locations intersect t with where the rock would have been, some kind of rock-mounded with cement with a plaque would be appropriate. The Commission concurred with the idea. HPC MINUTES -8- APRIL 7, 1988 xs r Commissioner Banks moved to approve the Schowalter Rock Pile as Historic Point of Interest "J" and direct staff to -return back to the Commission with more information on the monumentation. Commissioner Artier seconded the motion. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: BANKS, ARNER, BILLINGS, COOPER, SCHMIDT, STAMM, HASKVITZ NOES: NONE ABSENT: NONE J. MAY 5, 1988 SCHEDULE OF LANDMARK PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS Arlene Banks presented the staff report, indicating that 7656 Archibald is already a landmark and the next one on the list would be used if there were no objections. The Commission concurred with Commissioner Cooper's request to hear the Buchanan House on Foothill at the next public hearing. COMMISSION BUSINESS K. BOB SCHMIDT - SESQUICENTENNIAL SUBCOMMITTEE Chairman Schmidt reported back to the Commission on the subcommittee meetings. He stated that the Commission should start thinking about how to designate local landmarks, what type of plaques, 'and that they are thinking about the allocation of any money received from the Sesquicentennial activities. Commissioner Arner suggested the plaque for the Schowalter Rock Pile. Commissioner Haskvitz stated he would like to see the money to go to additional education. Commissioner Banks concurred, but she felt it should be something more tangible, etc. grove of trees, preservation of some structure. Larry Henderson suggested maybe setting an emergency loan program for structures which are going to be demolished that would enable them to be moved or stored on a temporary basis. He stated another suggestion would be further help with the Chaffey Garcia House. Chairman Schmidt announced that on April 13 or April 14, there will be a meeting at the Community center on Arrow and Archibald in regards to the ' Sesquicentennial , and any organization is invited to discuss this event. Arlene Banks stated she would like the Commission 's consensus on a mandatory plaque at a residence that has been designated as a landmark. She stated she would like to be able to tell the people that they do not have to have one. HPC 'MINUTES -9- APRIL 7, 1988 Commissioner Billings moved to approve a non-mandatory plaque policy for designated landmarks. Commissioner Stamm seconded the motion. The motion carried by the following vote: "AYES: BILLINGS, STAMM, BANKS, SCHMIDT, COOPER, HASKVITZ NOES: NONE ABSTAIN: ARNER ABSENT: NONE ADJOURNMENT Chairman Schmidt adjourned the meeting at 9:45 P.M. Respec ully submitted by, K Secrere Ortary 1 HPC MINUTES -10- APRIL 7, 1988 CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting March 3, 1988 Chairman Melicent Arner called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The ' meeting held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, 'Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman Arner then led in the pledge" of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Bob Schmidt, Alan Haskvitz, Ada Cooper, Marjorie ,Stamm COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: NONE STAFF PRESENT: Brad Buller, City Planner; Larry Henderson, Senior . Planner; Kelly Orta, Secretary. ' COUNCIL PRESENT: Councilmember Pam Wright ANNOUNCEMENTS Commissioner Haskvitz -brought an article from the Los Angeles Times Opinion section regarding the trend of the students -conserving water on drought resistant gardening. He stated he would like to see the City consider asking new developments to utilize more zero-scape landscaping which will conserve water and cut maintenance. The legislation passed that all new State-funding buildings must use this type 'of landscaping. Commissioner Haskvitz referred to the-Eucalyptus trees in the City. He stated that he has noticed that many of the lots that are vacant have trees that are decayed or falling apart. He questioned if the Commission has the ability to request the owner to remove those trees or .replace them with new trees before the disease spreads to other trees.. Commissioner Banks stated that the Tree Ordinance is being revised now. She stated that she did not know where this was as of now. Chairman Arner stated she 'had some conference literature and if the other Commissioners had not seen them, she would .pass them around. HPC MINUTES March 3, 1988 Page 2 Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated if the Commission would let him know by the end of the meeting which ones they would like to attend. He stated that either he or Arlene Banks would go to one or both of them. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, introduced Arlene Banks, who is the new Associate Planner staffing the Historic Preservation Commission beginning Monday. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, announced that Miki Bratt, Assistant Planner, who handles Community Development Block Grants for the City, and himself attended a conference in Pasadena on February 17, 1988 regarding Community Development Block Grants and the use of the Grants for Historic Preservation. He stated that they were informed that the original statement that because you move a structure does not necessarily remove its potential of being a National registered landmark. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that he received a call from , Jane Nelson who was working on a study that the Historic Preservation Commission commissioned concerning the Mission Camp. She stated that they are winding up the research on that and are planning to come into the office to look at old maps of the area. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated the he would like to foll,ow up on Commissioner Haskvitz's announcement regarding the Tree Preservation Ordinance schedule and review. He stated that the City has been investigating several things which include the status of the windrow Eucalyptus in terms of stress, lack of water and infestation "of the Boar Beetle. He stated that the City has compiled a packet of materials of the status of Eucalyptus trees in Rancho Cucamonga and the likelihood of them staying and for how long without care. He stated that they-will be taking this issue to the City Council this month and get direction as to how to go about a Tree Ordinance revision. He stated that this affects the Etiwanda Specific Plan and the rest of the City. He stated that there are alot of trees on private property. The City has done one of two things; 1) contact the property owners and encourage them to water them, which they have been reluctant to do and 2) when the trees become diseased, alert them and ask them to take care of them or remove them. There is a Tree Removal Permit process. He stated that most likely this will not be a quick and easy process. Commissioner Banks questioned is to what circumstances have 'changed to have to redo the Ordinance so quickly. HPC MINUTES March 3, 1988 Page 3 Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that there have been several appeals to decisions to deny. Tree. Removal Permit's. He stated that the replacement trees have gone in private yards. The .property owner felt it was a burden to have to maintain them. He stated that the City has alot of concerns over the cost of maintenance of a mature Eucalyptus tree in someone's backyard. He stated that they have had questions has to whether should .replacements of Eucalyptus trees continue to be in private yards. He stated the process will not just go to City Council, Planning Commission, and back to City Council . He stated that the City will involve the Public Safety Commission. Commissioner Banks stated the -she felt that the Historic Preservation Commission should be involved. Brad Buller, City .Planner, stated that was correct. Brad Buller, City Planner, referred to the ,prior announcement by Commissioner Haskvitz regarding zero-scape. He stated that City has , been a City requirement for the last 3-1/2 years. He stated that the City does have a requirement that one out of every model home complex is landscaped in a drought tolerant, zero-scape manner, as well as hand out brochures that the City encourages such. PUBLIC CORiENT Jane Dunlap, resident of The Woods development, Alta Loma, stated that she noticed that the Schowalter House is going to be preserved,. She stated that with that house, there is a rock wall that is goes all the way from Wilson to the just below the water channel . She stated that she had plans of that area for the Commission. She stated that the wall runs north and south. She stated that some portions of' the wall are not intact. The upper portions are. She stated that in the book she has The History of Alta Loma, there is a history that goes with the house and wall . Chairman Arner questioned the location. Jane Dunlap referred to the map previously shown. Commissioner Stamm stated that this wall was interesting in that most of the walls were wide rock piles, but this one is not as wide. ' Commissioner Billings stated that he thought they just did this to clear the land. Commissioner Schmidt questioned as to how wide this wall is. HPC MINUTES March 3, 1988 Page 4 Jane Dunlap stated approximately 10-15 feet wide, 5 feet high. She stated that her idea was not to preserve the whole thing, but a certain portion being saved. She stated that she could see it being a divider between the two tracts. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that he can speak to the developer and find out what he was doing to do with the rocks. He stated that the project is approved and may have a grading permit. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated if these types of walls are an issue for the Commission, staff needs to hear this. Commissioner Banks stated that that is has come up because streetscapes and landscapes were not part of the previous survey. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that one of things being looked at in next year's Work Program is to finish the survey, such as landscaping, natural features. The Commission concurred to take a look at the wall and then set for public hearing. COMMISSION BUSINESS: Chairman Arner announced nominations are being accepted for new ' officers. Commissioner Banks nominated Commissioner Bob Schmidt for Chairman. Commissioner Billings seconded the nomination. Commissioner Billings moved the nominations be closed. The nomination was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, BILLINGS, STAMM, COOPER, HASKVITZ,, ARNER NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: SCHMIDT --carried Commissioner Cooper nominated Commissioner Gene Billings for Vice- - Chairman. Commissioner Stamm seconded the nomination. Commissioner Cooper moved that the nominations be closed. The nomination was carried by the following vote: f HPC MINUTES March 3, 1988 Page 5 AYES: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, STAMM, BANKS, HASKVITZ, ARNER, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSTAIN: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS --carried Chairman Arner questioned if the Commission had decided to hold a hearing on the Bogg even though it was in the sphere of influence. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the Commission was going to come back to this meeting and decide the Commission wanted staff to come back with a report and set for public hearing. He stated that staff had a tour and are studying that area seriously. The Commission directed staff to come back with a report about Local Landmark Designation and contact the County in regards to any program and what that process is, if they have one. ' Commissioner Banks stated that if the County does not, staff should go ahead and set for public hearing. PUBLIC HEARINGS• A. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 88-02 - GERBER CHILDREN'S CENTERS INC. - request to eve op a 7,ZUU square foot c i ren s day care center on a portion of the site designated as Historical Landmark No. 26, i .e. The Minor House, located at the southwest corner of Base Line Road and Turner Avenue - APN: 1077-041-57. Commissioner Billings moved to continue this item to the May 5, 1988 meeting at the request of staff. Commissioner Schmidt seconded the motion. The motion was carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, STAMM, ARNER, COOPER, BANKS HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried HPC MINUTES March 3, 1988 Page 6 OLD BUSINESS: B. APRIL 7, 1988 SCHEDULED LANDMARK PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS Commissioner Billings stated that there was a correction. On the Historic Name, it should be Statom-Bingham House. He stated that the zip code for that house should be 91701. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that this is information that was i'n the file. Commissioner Billings stated that in regards to the Del Monte Packing House, this is not the common name. He stated that it had been known for many years and the Ellena Winery. He stated he felt the common name should be Ellena Winery. The Commission concurred that on the application, it should say Current Name instead of Common Name. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that staff fill out the forms. He stated that during the month the Commission has additional . information that would help in writing the staff report, just let staff know. Commissioner Banks stated she was going to take this information to the ' Etiwanda Historical Society to see if there were any additional imput. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that this information seems to be enough for Local Landmark. He stated that he has not judged it from a State or National register level .. Commissioner Cooper questioned as to why the Adams House was picked first because it was not the first house on Red Hill . Commissioner Billings stated that on the list the Commission received to be considered were all by streets, alphabetical. He stated that there were no priorities, other than the method previously agreed to by the Commission at a meeting Commissioner Cooper had missed. Commissioner Cooper stated that she felt the first house on Red Hill should be the first house considered. Chairman Arner stated that the list is flexible. Items can be moved up for hearing if the Commission felt the priority. Commissioner Cooper stated that the Smith House should have priority. She stated she would give her imput to staff to move some items up. HPC MINUTES March 3, 1988 Page 7 Commissioner Banks stated that about two years ago, the Commission directed staff to discuss with the City Maintenance and the CalTrans considering the preservation of trees on Highland Avenue that have been declared a landmark by the City Council . -She stated they are Palm trees on the north side of Highland, east of Etiwanda and west of East Avenue. She stated that she recently noticed that one was dead. She stated that there is no program to maintain those trees. She stated that the Commission was told by Don Napole of the State that if the City showed an interest in preserving them, the State would take that into consideration. They stated that maybe they would not preserve those trees, but when put in the highway, they would put in a like planting. She felt the City is ignoring them and they are dying. She stated that she would like to see something happen. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that those trees are on private property in the future right-of-way. He stated that the property owner is now in negotiation with the State to sell the land to the State. ' He stated, that the property owner has said he is willing to let the City, do with those trees as the City desires. If they are turned over to the , State, some arrangements would need to be made to maintain them by the City because the State probably would not. Commissioner Banks expressed her concern that the trees are losing their ' integrity now. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated staff will look into it and report back. C. SESQUICENTENNIAL ANNIVERSARY OF THE "RANCHO CUCAMONGA" Memorandum received. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the City Council ' has selected a sub-committee, which is composed of Councilmembers Wright and Brown. The sub-committee indicated that they would like to know- who from the Historic Preservation Commission would like to also be on that sub-committee or of anyone else to work on the sub-committee. Commissioner Stamm stated the sub-committee might want someone from the Rains House's executive board on it because of previous discussions. Commissioner Banks stated that after April 15th, she would be available to work on it. Commissioner Schmidt stated he would also. z HPC MINUTES March 3, 1988 Page 8 Councilmember Wright stated that they would like to get going as soon as possible because of time frame. She stated it is open to anyone in the community that would like to work on it. Commissioner Haskvitz stated that all the things on the list are nice He stated that they are not really recording the history of what this place is on that date. He suggested recording Rancho Cucamonga one day totally universal , such as snapshots. Commissioner Haskvitz stated he would also be on the sub-committee. Councilmember Wright set the first meeting Wednesday, March 9th. She stated that the the sub-committee will be notified as to location. . D. UPDATE ON THE GEORGE KLUSMAN HOUSE Staff report received.. The Commission concurred that they would like to set a policy recommending that a demolition permit for potentially historic sites not be issued until • all applicable construction permits are ready for issuance. ' Commissioner Banks questioned how' to go about a Policy Statement. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that it might be appropriate for staff to send to the City Council for adoption as a City Policy and have it incorporated in the Conditions of Approval . Commissioner Banks stated that she would prefer it to go before the City Council . -Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that the Commission could develop a policy by ,their actions, by formally adopt a policy by Resolution. He stated that-this is just a statement. He stated if the 'Commission wants to include some tool by which a demolition permit cannot be issued until such conditions are met, it needs to be in an Ordinance. Commissioner Banks stated that if an Ordinance is the strongest thing the Commission could do, then the Commission should go that route. Brad Buller, City Planner, needs a recommended priority of items the Commission would like done. He stated that he would like staff to bring this back to the Commission in report form as to what the options are. Brad Buller recommended the Commission could, by minute action, alert the staff and various other Commissions that the position of the Historic Preservation Commission as a policy is not to issue a demolition permit until applicable construction permits are ready for bsjuance and that the Historic Preservation Commission is working on an r inance. HPC MINUTES March 3, 1988 Page 9 Commissioner Banks motioned to approve this interim policy, while staff investigates the possibility of an Ordinance and to send letter to Mr. Again regarding the Klusman House. Commissioner Billings seconded the motioned. The motioned carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERSt. BANKS, BILLINGS, ARNER, SCHMIDT, COOPER, STAMM, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE --carried E. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE NIGHT BLOOMING CEREUS CACTUS Staff report received. The Commission concurred to forward this on to the City Council 'for approval . ' Commissioner Banks requested sending copy of. this information to `the property owner for their information. The Commission stated they would like additional items added to 'the inventory to be sent to the Huntington Botanical Gardens, such as the. Palm trees on Highland. F. "LA MISSION" OLIVE TREES Memorandum received. Commissioner Banks stated she had .a, correction to the memo, the Commission requested twelve trees be preserved, not three. CONNISSION BUSINESS Chairman Arner questioned the status of the letter to Maxine Strane. Kelly Orta stated she is in the process of forming a Resolution of Commendation. Brad Buller stated .that normally the . City Council presents the Resolution. The Commission concurred to send a representative of the Historic Preservation Commission to the City Council meeting to jointly present it to her. HPC MINUTES March 3, 1988 Page 10 DIRECTORS REPORT G. HISTORIC PRESERVATION MISSION STATEMENT Larry Henderson presented the .staff report concerning a Mission Statement. Commissioner Banks stated she would like to add streetscapes, landscapes and districts to every place structures and site are indicated. The Commission concurred with this addition. Commissioner Banks stated that she would like to see publicity added in the second paragraph for public awareness. Commissioner Haskvitz stated he did not like the publicity, but felt 'communications was a better word. Commissioner Stamm stated she would like to see the paragraph left the same. Commissioner Banks stated that in regards to the third paragraph, she ' felt that there should be something added to include compatibility of the site by surrounding new development. The Commission discussed this addition'. Commissioner Stamm stated she was concerned about financial burden. Larry Henderson stated that he felt this had already been covered in the first paragraph with the word "enhance". Commissioner Haskvitz stated that the first part of the paragraph is really not in the realm of the Commission. He stated that it should just include educate the property owner. Commissioner Stamm stated that maybe the Commission could tie this in with publicity. Commissioner Banks questioned if designate historic districts could 'be added to the first paragraph. She questioned about included a General Plan Element, which was discussed a long time ago, which carries no weight, but is a policy statement within the General Plan for Historic Preservation. Brad Buller stated that the idea of a Mission Statement was developed by the City Council . He stated that a Mission Statement does include specific goals. HPC MINUTES March 3, 1988 Page 11 Larry Henderson stated that staff is drafting a Work Program for the next fiscal year. In that Work Program is Historic Preservation Commission staffing. He stated that 47 weeks were budgeted with 42 being the normal for one person per year. He stated he needed, for example, if the Commission would like to consider a new element to the General Plan. If so, staff could put that in there and see where it falls in priority. Commissioner Cooper stated she would like to see the Eucalyptus tree on the south side of Arrow Highway where the Milliken house was preserved. She stated that the tree was planted by Dan Milliken when he was six years old. She stated that the Milliken's were a very early family. Commissioner Billings stated that the. City awarded a contract to remove trees along Base Line Road and he believed the same contract included the trees on Arrow Highway between Archibald .and Turner. The Commission concurred that they would like this set for ,a public hearing. ADJOURNMENT: Chairman Arner adjourned the March 3, 1988 Historic Preservation Commission meeting at 8:50 P.M. Resp ctfully submitted, K l ly 0f to Secretary CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting February 4, 1988 Chairman Melicent Arner called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic 'Preservation Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho , Cucamonga, California. Chairman Arner then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Melicent Arner, Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Bob Schmidt, Alan Haskvitz COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Ada Cooper, Marjorie Stamm STAFF PRESENT: Brad Buller, City Planner; Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; Alan Warren, Associate Planner; Bruce Cook, Associate Planner; Paul Pachon, Administrative ' Assistant; Kelly Orta, Secretary. ANNOUNCEMENTS Commissioner Schmidt wanted to discuss the Boggs visit. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that there will be another tour on February 5th for staff with the same gentleman that conducted the tour for the Commission. Staff is concerned because they have development proposals up in. that area. The project on the site is on hold and staff has heard nothing from them for quite some time. Chairman Arner questioned as to whether staff still had the articles she gave to Brad Buller; City Planner, regarding the Bogg being one million years old. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that he had not seen them, but would check with Brad Buller regarding them. Commissioner Banks stated that it was her understanding that the prime time to visit the Bogg is in the spring. She requested Larry Henderson to check with Prof. Des Lauriers if he could take a group up in the spring. She questioned as to if it would be appropriate to consider it for landmark status being in the sphere of influence.. HPC MINUTES February 4, 1988 Page 2 Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the Commission could do that, but it would be a symbolic gesture with no way to enforce it. Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission would then forward it on to the County. Commissioner Banks announced that at the January 12th meeting of the Board of Directors of the Etiwanda Historical Society, voted unanimously to accept and store the . winery equipment on behalf of the City to be temporarily stored in the Chaffee Garcia House. She stated that she would let Larry Henderson know who can gain access so that the City crews can transport the equipment. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the City has completed the recruitment for the Associate Planner that will staff the Historic Preservation Commission, and subject to pre'-employment physical , Arlene Banks will be the new staff member, starting probably around the 1st of March. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that staff is waiting for a response from the Commission on the Mayor's Resolution identifying those things which make the tri-communities unique, and that at the end of the meeting, each Commissioner •is invited to provide any information. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that he had received a memo from the Engineering Division questioning if the high curbs and trees along Hellman Avenue are historical or have been designated as historic landmarks. He stated that there is a tentative tract submitted on the west side of Hellman, south of 19th Street. Chairman Arner stated that she would like to see the trees preserved. Commissioner Banks stated that in all of the minutes nothing has been discussed in regard's to these curbs. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that staff has received a Notice of Preparation from the Water District concerning the installation of water tanks in the Etiwanda area on Etiwanda Avenue. Commissioner Banks stated that she understood it was significantly east of the Avenue, about 300 feet back and 300 feet east of the Avenue. HPC MINUTES February 4, 1988 Page 3 Bruce Cook, Associate Planner, stated that the property is just south of Highland, where all, the citrus trees are. . Commissioner Banks questioned as to how many feet east of the Avenue would it be located. Bruce Cook, Associate Planner, stated that staff did not have any plans showing where exactly the tanks would be located. Commissioner Banks stated that she is concerned about the setbacks. She feels that the tanks need to be significantly set back. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that staff had contacted the Water District for them to send a set of plans because that is a requirement on the environmental document. He stated that when he gets more information, he will bring it back to the Commission. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Moved by Commissioner Billings, seconded by Commissioner Schmidt, ' carried, to approve the minutes of December 3, 1987.. Moved by Commissioner Banks, seconded by Commissioner Schmidt, carried, to approve the minutes of January 7, 1988 as modified. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 88-02 - GERBER CHILDREN'S CENTERS INCORPORATED - A request to develop a 7,20o square oo c i ren s ay care center on a portion of the site designated as Historic Landmark No. 26, i .e. the Minor House, located at the southwest corner of Base Line Road and Turner Avenue - APN: 1077-041-57. Bruce Cook, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Arner opened the public hearing. No one was present to discuss this item. Chairman Arner closed the public hearing. Commissioner Banks moved to continue this item to March 3, 1988 as the request of the applicant. Commissioner Billings seconded the motion. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BANKS, BILLINGS, ARNER, HASKVITZ,, SCHMIDT NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS:. COOPER, STAMM * * * * * * --carried HPC MINUTES February 4, 1988 Page 4 B. HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION NO. 27 - CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA - A proposal to aesignate the Schowalter House, located at 5495 Hermosa Avenue (northeast corner of Hermosa Avenue and Hillside Road) , as Historic Landmark No. 27 - APN: 201-101-04. Bruce Cook, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman Arner open the public hearing. Willard Maust, owner of Sunshine Foods, current owner of the property, stated that he understands what this involves. He stated that he does not object to the designation. Commissioner Banks questioned Mr. Maust, that this had come to the attention of the Commission because the developer had asked that the house be removed. Willard Maust stated that when the developer did the plans, they assumed that the City would not want the two houses on one lot. Commissioner Banks stated the the house is not going to interfere with or be overpowered by the development with the way it is set back. ' Willard Maust stated that was correct. Commissioner Banks questioned that the development would be to the east and would be six structures. Willard Maust stated that was correct. Chairman Arner closed the public hearing. Commissioner Banks stated she had a question in regards to the Resolution. She stated that she needed some clarification on Section 2 in regards to a Negative Declaration. Bruce Cook, Associate Planner, stated that it means that there are no negative impacts as a result of the project. Commissioner Banks stated that she was pleased with the project. Commissioner Billings moved to approve the resolution to forward to City Council for approval . Commissioner Schmidt seconded the motion. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, ARNER, BANKS, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, STAMM * * * * * --carried HPC MINUTES February 4, 1988 Page 5 C. HISTORIC LANDMARK ALTERATION PERMIT 88-01 - CARMEN NAVARETTE - An application to alter for a future commercial use an existing Historic Landmark site by land subdivision, Parcel Map No. 11044. The landmark, Chinatown House, is at the southwest corner of San Bernardino Road and Klusman Avenue (9591 San Bernardino Road) - APN: 208-151-24. Alan Warren, Associate Planner, presented the staff report Chairman Arner questioned where the archeological pit was. Alan Warren, Associate Planner, stated that according to the files, it - is in an area immediately adjacent to the structure. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that on the large drawing, the parking area is on Parcel 1. Commissioner Banks stated that what the map shows is that if 'the . Chinatown House is ever converted to commercial use, there is plenty of area for potential parking. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the archeologist requirement is for both parcels, because they just do not know if there is more on Parcel 2. Chairman Arner opened the public hearing. Eugene Bellow, owner. of Bellow Realty Company, 188 S. Euclid Avenue, Upland, the real estate broker representing the owner and Cucamonga County Water District stated that he was in attendance to answer any questions. Commissioner Banks stated that it was the potential transaction to sell to the Cucamonga County Water District. Mr. Bellow stated this is correct and it is in escrow right now. Jim Cline, representing Cucamonga County Water District, stated that he was in attendance to answer any questions. He stated that the District does not object to the Covenant. He stated that is was their intention in the future to construct a parking lot which will require minimal excavation and grading on the lower site. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned if the artifacts found would automatically go the City. Patricia Hearn, speaking for the present property owner, (Carmen Navarette's daughter) , stated that they have exhaustively excavated at the south end of the property. Chairman Arner questioned if the artifacts have stayed in the family. Patricia Hearn stated that they are on loan at the Rains House. l HPC MINUTES February 4, 1988 Page 6 Chairman Arner closed the public hearing. Commissioner Banks stated that with this Covenant, it will bring the Water District back into the fold and it does not exempt them. Larry Henderson stated that it would fall under whoever owns the property, which in this case is the Water District. Commissioner Banks stated that she would like to see a Covenent added because only the removal of trees and artifacts are covered. She stated that she is concerned about the preservation of the integrity of the landmark and to make sure of the compatibility of the. development with the existing landmark. Jim Cline, Cucamonga County Water District, stated that if the District is building a water facility, such as a well site, reservoir site, treatment plant site, they do not technically fall under City development codes. If they build a habital structure, such as an office, they do then fall".under City development codes. Commissioner Banks stated that if the Water District sold the parcel without the Covenant on it, it would be able to be developed with something that might not be compatible with the China House. Jim Cline stated that he thought it would still have to go through ' normal City development review process for whoever wanted to develop it. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that Mr. Cline is correct that if the Water District fs not creating a facility for the sole purpose of transmitting water, if it is an office, even a parking lot, they must go through the City's Design Review process. He stated that by doing so, it is automatically into the process and by the minutes, the Commission can request that the Historic Preservation aspects of the China House be considered in that design. He stated that it would automatically be, but he does not believe it is necessary to add a Covenant. Commissioner Banks stated that if the minutes would be adequate, that would be satisfactory. She stated that she would just like to stay in touch with the landmarks so that do not become isolated. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that with the new. Planning computer module, it would be possible to red flag this second parcel . He stated that it would enable the Planner to know that when it comes in for a development request. Commissioner Billings moved to approve the Alteration Permit. Commissioner Schmidt seconded the motion. Motion carried by the following vote: HPC MINUTES February 4, 1988 Page 7 AYES: COMMISSIONERS: BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, ARNER, BANKS, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COOPER, STAMM * * * * * * --carried OLD BUSINESS: D. DESIGNATED AND POTENTIAL HISTORICAL SITE LIST WITH FUTURE HPC PUBLIC HEARING Commissioner Banks questioned that if something came up the Commission felt was more important, they could move it up. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that those properties that come up for development requests, they would immediately move it up to hol.d a hearing right of way. Chairman Arner questioned if there was going to be a list made chronological so the Commission can follow it better. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated yes. Commissioner Banks questioned that there should be three a meeting. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that there should be one from each community and there may be more if there are any applications that come up. Commissioner Haskvitz questioned if there were any photographs. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that each property has a file and that almost every file.has pictures in them. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that staff has gone through the list and identified those which are already landmarks. He stated that some were not even on the old list. Chairman Arner questioned if those already designated have been sent into the State. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that it was his understanding that everything on the list was sent to the State. He stated that things have not been sent up to the State for ,State Landmark Designation. Commissioner Banks stated that she thought they had sent up 30 some applications to the ,State. HPC MINUTES February 4, 1988 Page 8 Paula Pachon, Administrative Assistant, stated that there were more in the area of 50. She stated that the contract was to do an inventory, not a State nomination. She stated that in the file are progress reports that were sent to the State and attached to the final report are the inventory forms and full list. Commissioner Banks stated she thought it was attached to their copy of the report. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that he wanted to check with the Commission on .the new abbreviations used on the list which will go into the computer. Commissioner Banks questioned as to the status of putting everything on the computer. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner,, stated that the Planning module that this would go into is still in the testing phase. He stated that there is allocated a separate Historic Landmarks Module to be set up, which would be a separate entity. He stated that this is scheduled for July of 1988, but after the Planning module is complete. Commissioner Banks questioned as to where the , Historic Designation ' priority fall . Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that as soon as the Commission says this list is okay, he would route this over to the people imputting in the computer and they will start logging it into the system. The Commission agreed with the new abbreviations and the list is ready to be imputted. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that Community Development Block Grant Funds can be used for a study, landmark monumentation is not. He stated that there is a provision for low income and senior citizen housing situations and they vary by rate depending on whether it is a grant or a rehabilitation loan. Commissioner Banks questioned if the Commission could follow-up on the survey and prepare a proposal for Block Grant funds in order to survey items such as trees, street lights, and rock curbs. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated yes. He stated that the deadline was extended to February 12th and that the Commission may want to take action at this meeting. He stated that his staff person that handles Block Grant will help with the filling out of the application. Commissioner Schmidt moved to prepare an application for Block Grant funds. Commissioner Banks seconded the motion. HPC MINUTES February 4, 1988 Page 9 AYES: COMMISSIONERS: SCHMIDT,. BANKS, ARNER, BILLINGS, HASKVITZ NOES: COMMISSIONERS: NONE ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: STAMM, COOPER --carried Chairman Arner and Commissioner Banks will coordinate with Miki Bratt, Assistant Planner to prepare application. Paula Pachon, Administrative Assistant, stated that she is still working on finding information on the Night Blooming Cactus, located at 7850 Valley #ista Drive in Rancho Cucamonga. She stated that she has called the Rancho Santa Ana Botanical Gardens for information. They referred her to the Huntington Botanical Gardens in San Marino. She stated that she ,has spoken with the currator of living collections and they will be .. meeting next Thursday, February 11th to discuss the Cactus. She stated he initial feeling that this cactus is not indigenous to Southern , California, but is a variety from South Central America. She •stated ' that he wanted to withhold final judgement until he sees the pictures... The Commission concurred to bring this back to the March meeting. Paula Pachon, Administrative Assistant, stated that she would forward the information on the Larry Henderson. Paula Pachon, Administrative Assistant, stated that Parks and Recreation Commission was in ,favor of maintaining the Olive trees at the Mission Camp site. She stated that they had no problem with understanding the Historic Preservation Commission's reasoning. They had some considerations, due to the dollar figure for each tree to be boxed and wrapped, it was extremely expensive. She stated that the Parks and Recreation Commission decided to recommend to City Council for their approval was to maintain three of the existing trees because of budgetary constraints and then to plant a representative grove of new Olive trees. She stated that she was not sure of how many new ones, but she would check. Commissioner ;Banks stated that if they were going to replant new trees, they might as well re-create the original grove. Paula Pachon, Administrative Assistant, suggested that the Commission might want to send a memorandum to the Park and Recreation Commission notifying them the Commission is aware of the action that was taken by the City Council and what the Historic Preservation Commission's recommendation is. HPC MINUTES February 4, 1988 Page 10 The Commission concurred that they should direct a memo to be prepared stating the Commissfons recommendation that the grove should be re- created with a placque. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that he would send a memo to the Park's staff. He stated that he would request that the design plans be sent to the Commission for review. Paula Pachon, Administrative Assistant, stated that she was seeking information on the 150th Anniversary of the Rancho Cucamonga. She stated she is looking for any kind of background information of activities that were already being planned through the Rains House or anywhere else. Commissioner Banks stated that nothing has been done at this point. She stated that the Commission felt that they could not run the celebration. She stated she would be glad to forward to Paula the list of things the Commission has come up with. She stated that there is a need ,for someone to get it going. She questioned if the City is going . to take it over. Paula Pachon stated that right now they are just investigating that ' possibility. Commissioner Banks and Paula Pachon stated they will arrange a time to exchange information. Chairman Arner questioned about any more information on the house on Legid House on Wilson Avenue. Commissioner Banks stated that the City Council turned it down for landmark status. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that Brad Buller had 'discussed this. Staff has been asked to look at two possibilities; 1) to move it, and 2) looking at if the right-of-way could be moved. Commissioner Banks requested that the Commission receive a report on City Council actions on Historic Preservation items. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that this would be done. Commissioner Banks questioned as to action on Ordinance 70. Paula Pachon, Administrative Assistant, stated she did not believe that it has been on the Consent Calendar. HPC MINUTES February 4, 1988 Page 11 Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that he thought Community Services was forwarding it to the City Council . He stated that he and Paula Pachon would get that ready for City Council. Paula Pachon, Administrative Assistant, stated that she would submit it' to the City Council for approval . COMMISSION BUSINESS Chairman Arner read Maxine Strane's letter of resignation. Kelly Orta, Secretary, stated that Brad Buller has instructed her to put together a Resolution of Commendation to be presented to her. Chairman Arner stated that the new officers would be elected at the March meeting. ' Chairman Arner referred to a letter received by Lauren Wasserman, referring the issue of the Blue Gum Eucalyptus Windrows to the Historic Preservation Commission. The Commission discussed the safety issue. The Commission's feeling was that if the trees need to be replaced, there are Eucalyptus trees that are not as hazardous and they be planted in a windrow configuration. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that he had received a Resolution that the Mayor is proposing in regards to re-emphasizing the three community areas. He stated that the Mayor is looking for some wording from the Historic Preservation Commission concerning what makes the three areas stand out. He requested some ideas and why they should maintain their name identity in the City from the Commission. ADJOURNMENT: Chairman Arner adjourned the meeting at 9:00 P.M. Respectfully submitted by, Kelly (Yrta Secretary CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting January 7, 1988 Vice Chairman Bob Schmidt call the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Historic Preservation Commission meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held at Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Vice Chairman Schmidt then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Marsha Banks, Gene Billings, Bob Schmidt, Marge Stamm, Maxine Strane COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Melicent Arner, Ada Cooper STAFF PRESENT: Brad Buller, City Planner (arrived at 7:35 p.m. ) ; Larry Henderson, Senior Planner; Paula Pachon, Administrative Assistant; Bea Smiderle, Senior Office Assistant; Kelly Orta, Historic Preservation Commission Secretary. ANNOUNCEMENTS Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, announced that their was a memo from the Mayor dated December 30th, concerning a Resolution relative to the Historic significance of Rancho Cucamonga's Tri-Community's Heritage. Even though it was not included in the packet, it was advised by Brad Buller, City Planner, that this item be taken up under Commission Business. Commissioner Banks was concerned if this was done, if it would be in violation of the Brown Act. Larry Henderson advised her it was not. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, announced that there would be a letter forthcoming by City staff concerning Community Development Block Grant monies and an application which is annually done through the City. Some of the money can be used on a narrow scope for Historic rehabilitation, such as for those projects which are already eligible for the National Register, and for residential projects where you go for a rehabilitation loan where the housing is for low income people, with a maximum loan of ' $15,000. Historic Preservation -1 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes Commissioner Banks questioned if the Chaffey Garcia House, not being a State Landmark status and never would be, but could be a National status, would then be eligible for CDBG monies. Larry Henderson stated that it was his understanding that if it did not have State status, it would not get National status. Commissioner Banks stated that after talking to Lynn Marrow, this may not be the case. Larry Henderson, stated that this was the information given him by the City's consultant that handles Block Grants. Commissioner Banks inquired whether Block Grant money could be used for more surveying as far as identifying things within the City. Larry Henderson stated that he would check with staff handling Block Grant funds to see if this was possible and if there is that kind of money available. Commissioner Banks stated that, at this point, all that has been surveyed is structures. Commissioner Banks stated that other things need to be surveyed, such as former sites, streetscapes, and landscapes. In regards to availability of loans, Commissioner Banks questioned if it was not a loan, it does not have to be repaid. It can be a grant. Larry Henderson stated that he did not believe we were doing grants for rehabilitation any longer, but strictly on a loan basis. Larry Henderson stated that for additional surveying, it would be a grant. Commissioner Banks questioned whether it would fund identification of sites, such as placque program for Rancho Cucamonga Landmarks. Larry ' Henderson stated he would look into that possibility. Larry Henderson stated that he is receipt of an application for a modification to a Historic Landmark site, Cucamonga Chinatown site. A parcel map has been applied for to divide off some of it. It does not affect the structure at all and we will be scheduling it for public hearing at the February 4, 1988 meeting. We will no longer be going to the Commission to set public hearing. Commissioner Banks was concerned about being notified ahead of time of the public hearings. Kelly Orta stated that she would send a copy of the legal advertisement to the Commissioners for notification of item and date to be heard. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Commissioner Banks, seconded by Commissioner Strane to continue the Minutes from December 3, 1987 to February 4, 1988 since the copies submitted for review were incomplete. Historic Preservation -2 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes OLD BUSINESS A. REQUEST FOR INFORMATION CONCERNING THE HISTORICAUCULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 5495 HERMOSA, RANCR6_CUCAR0= - Kontinuea trom December 3, 1981) Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that -this was continued from December 3, 1987 to let the Commission have time to research this further to see if whether this structure had any historical significance. Larry Henderson, Senior' Planner, presented a site plan on the wall showing the location relative to the subdivision which the Planning Commission is considering. It is located on Lot 7 which has three existing structures. The one on the corner is the only one ,proposed to be removed. They are going to be removing the chicken coops and a barn. There will be a 15-foot wide horse trail which will bisect the new subdivision from the existing structures. There will not be much of a visual continuity between the old versus the new. 'Commissioner Banks questioned why they had to take that house out. If they are going to divide the old from the new, what do they intend to put on that site? Larry 'Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that he had that same question. He stated that is was not a requirement of the City to remove the house. There has been no answer back yet from the owner. Even it is decided not be historic, he plans to ask the question. If it is a question that they think it needs to be upgraded or remodeled, he would like to refer them to Block Grant monies to do so. There is money left from last year to be used. This is administered through the County on a contract program for us. If this is the case and they just need some money to help them fix_ it up, then we would be glad to have them fix it up just from the stand point of preserving some affordable housing. Commissioner ,Banks stated she would like to see some affordable housing that way, instead of demolition. Commissioner Banks stated she has driven by, this structure and it looks in good shape. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that he has not been able to find out this afternoon why they want to take it down. He will try to do so. Commissioner Stamm stated that the Commission should not act on this ' until they find out why the developer wants to take the structure down. Commissioner Banks stated that this was continued because Commissioner Arner wanted to investigate some more. Historic Preservation -3 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes Commissioner Arner has relayed to Commission Banks that she has talked to H. Schowalter, who is the grandson of Jacob, who built the house somewhere around 1908-1913. It was not a chicken ranch,, but part of a 110 acre citrus grove. The present Schowalter that is alive, who is elderly, personally helped clear the 110 acres of the rocks. The family was part of the first Mininite group that come to Alta Loma and were instrumental to more Mininites moving here. On the west side of Hermosa, which was also their property at the time, the Schowalter's donated the land for the sanitarium. It was thought to be a TB sanitarium. Commissioner Billings stated that this was a general sanitarium. In today's terms, it was a convalescent type before it burned down. Commissioner Stamm questioned as to when it burned down. Commissioner Banks stated Commission Arner stated it was about 30 years ago. Commission Banks stated that three generations lived in the home. Jacob built it, his son lived there, then Don Schowalter lived there. His mother lived in the house was from a family who was also prominent in the Upland area. Commissioner Stamm stated that she felt it was historical . Commissioner Banks stated that overall it has more significance then ' first thought. Commission Banks stated that Commission Arner stated that she felt it should be heard as a public hearing. Commissioner Banks moved to set a public hearing for the Historical Local Landmark Designation of the Schowalter House, 5495 Hermosa„ Rancho Cuamonga and for staff to make sure the Developer will be there to answer any questions. Commissioner Strane seconded the motion. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: BANKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, SCHMIDT, STAMM NOES: NONE ABSENT ARNER, COOPER --carried B. ORDINANCE 70 - Modification to Ordinance 70 pertaining to the increase of penalties. Historic Preservation -4 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes Commissioner Banks stated that the City Attorney has made it as strong as possible. She needed clarification from staff as to the next step in the legal process. Does the Commission approve it, or ask that it be forwarded to the City Council? Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that if there were no corrections or modifications that the Commission wishes to make to the Ordinance, the Commission may make a. motion to forward it to the City Council for action. Commissioner Stamm stated that this needs to get a good airing in the press so that the community is aware of what the Commission is doing. Commission Banks stated that this is very important. She stated that there is more adherence to the Tree Ordinance because of publicity on a violation. Commissioner 'Banks requested that .staff prepare a Press Release to be put in the Daily Report. Commissioner Banks moved to forward Ordinance 70 pertaining to the increase of penalities to the City Council for action. Commissioner Billings seconded the motion. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: BANKS, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, STAMM, STRANE ' NOES: NONE ABSENT: ARNER, COOPER - --carried NEW BUSINESS C. UPDATE ON THOMAS ROCK HOUSE LOCATED AT 8926 SAN BERNARDINO ROAD Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the City was contacted on December 20, 1987, by a real estate representative representing the property owner listing the property as to whether or not this was a Historic Landmark and if it would have to be divulged in the sales agreement. After researching the files on both 8926 and 8936 San Bernardino Road, the records indicate that they are not historically significant. On April 2, 1987, the Commission determined that there was not sufficient evidence to designate a Local Landmark, but there was •a directive as part of the motion, that if there is additional information, it should be brought back before the Commission and possibly the public hearing would be re-opened. He interpreted this to be additional information in that they are moving forward with listing the property and potentially someone developing it and removing the structure. He knows of no other information whether or not it should be Historic Preservation -5 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes a Local Landmark. There is nothing else in the files stating it should be. He stated that unless the Commission has first hand knowledge that would lead to designation, that staff be directed to inform the property owner's agent that there is no particular effort need to be shown to preserve the structures. The property owner stated that there was only one person that ever lived in it. It is just an old house that was moved there and piled rock around it and made it a tenant house. There is nothing historic about it. Commissioner Banks stated that it was her recollection that the house was built in the 1930's. The property owner stated that it was moved there during the 1940's, probably 1949 or 1950. Commissioner . Banks stated she did not recall discussing 8936 San Bernardino Road. The property owner stated that 8926 San Bernardino Road was the only one m discussed. Commissioner Stamm stated that 8926 was the only one discussed. Commissioner Billings stated that the rock house was the only one ' discussed. Kelly Orta, Historic Preservation Secretary, distributed the original Photographs to the Commission. Commissioner Stamm stated that 8926 San Bernardino Road had a large, heavy item that was .used on a buggy being used as a noodle post for the stairway. She stated that there is also some paneling on one side from one from one of the old wine vents. She stated that Sally and Cliff Thomas built it. She stated that it was an interesting house. Commissioner Banks asked Commissioner Stamm if there would be anything in the house that could be salvaged and used someplace else. Commissioner Stamm stated that she did not think so. She stated that she did not feel that it was fair to take something out of the house if it's a part of the house. Commission Banks questioned that even though they were both going to 'be destroyed. Commissioner Billings questioned if both were going to be destroyed, or just one. Historic Preservation -6 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes t. The property owner stated that they will probably both have to be destroyed because it is zoned for office space and there is nothing to save. It was rebuilt in 1946 when Cliff came back from the army.' Commissioner Schmidt asked if there was any further discussion. Commissioner Banks stated that she would like the Commission to be kept informed as to when the houses are going to be torn down in case something from the houses could be saved. She did not feel that the houses are architecturally significant. Commissioner Stamm stated that if someone wanted to go and see what they could do on their own. The property owner questioned what the action was. Commissioner Schmidt stated that no action to be taken. The property owner requested something in writing stated the Commission's action so that they may sell their property. Commissioner Schmidt stated that he did not think it was being held up. The property owner stated that it was. He thought is was settled, but the agent said it was not. ' Commissioner Banks said that it was probably still red flagged.. Commissioner Banks stated that the Planning Division will be notified. Commissioner Billings moved that the Planning staff, in writing, inform the property owner through his agent that no specific Historic Preservation measures are necessary for this particular location. Commissioner Banks seconded the motion. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: BANKS, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, STAMM, STRANE NOES: NONE ABSENT: ARNER, COOPER --carried D. DONATION OF WINERY EQUIPMENT Kelly Orta, Historic Preservation Commission Secretary, stated that she had the original photographs if the Commission wanted to look at them. Historic Preservation -7 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes Commissioner Banks stated that she would register an -objection. The equipment is from the Etiwanda Winery, south of Foothill . The recommendation is that City accept it for possible use by the Thomas Winery. The Chaffey Garcia House is on City property and does have plans for a barn to display farm equipment. She would like to see this stay in Etiwanda rather than going to Cucamonga. She thinks that the Thomas Winery has a great deal of equipment. The Garrett Winery has a lot of equipment for display. She feels that Etiwanda is in need. - Commissioner Strane stated that she felt that it should go along with the name recognition. Commissioner Banks stated that the property owner should be aware that the Chaffey Garcia House exists, but he may not be aware of how much land they have and that a barn is in the ultimate plans. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that Mr. Colombero does not care where the City puts it. He is just offering it free to the City. He wants to get rid of it. Commissioner Schmidt asked Commissioner Banks what happened to Mrs. Lubke's vineyard and winery equipment. Did she not want it to go to Etiwanda. Commissioner Banks stated that Etiwanda does not have any place to put it. ' Larry Henderson., Senior Planner, stated that two things are going to have to happen if the Commission feels that the equipment is worth saving. The request has to be forwarded to the City Council and have them formally accept it, since they are the only people to authorize by the government to accept the gift and that we need to find out where we can store the equipment until the location is ready. Commissioner Strane stated that she thought there had been previous discussions about storing the items at the City yard. Commissioner Banks stated that it was very possible to store it inside the house. The house is gutted on the inside. It would not be a place to display it now, but just to store it. She will investigate the possibility of doing this. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner stated that whatever help he could get on this would be great. Commissioner Banks stated she will take the picture to the Etiwanda Historical Society and bring the item up there. Commissioner Banks moved that the Commission recommend to the .City Council to accept. the equipment on behalf of the City and it be put on permanent display at the Chaffey Garcia House and in the meantime, possibly displayed at another location. Commissioner Billings seconded the motion. Motion carried by the following vote: Historic Preservation -8 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes AYES: BANKS, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, STAMM, STRANE NOES: NONE ABSENT: ARNER, COOPER --carried E. PRIORITIZING OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION SURVEY LIST Commissioner Banks stated by discussing the properties individually, it would take forever. Everyone has their feeling as to what is most important. She proposed that the Commission start with the Temporary ranking and the first items would be the items with a National State ranking. When those items are finished, then move on to the items with a 'Local ranking. Then proceed with the ones that have received a preliminary no because they will probably not, have significance. She proposed that the Commission should take so many per night and take from each community (Alta Loma, Cucamonga, Etiwanda). She questioned as to how many a night should be heard. Commissioner Billings stated that not having experience in this, he did not know. ' Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission usually only has one. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, asked if the Commission was referring to public hearings. Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission should decide at tonight's meeting which ones would be set for public hearing. She stated that she thought that as long as it said National State or Local , they will warrant public hearing status. She stated that once the Commission gets to the No Status, the Commission will have a lot of discussion and maybe one out of every ten would be set for public hearing. Commissioner Stamm questioned whether it would be easier to, divide the list up among the Commission to review and report back on them. She questioned on how this was going to be done. She questioned if the Commission was going to go back on the originals with photographs. Commission Banks stated that because of the number, there will be a lot of public hearings. She stated that was why she though it would be better to divide it up by communities. She stated that when the public hearing has been set, the file can be pulled and the application completed. Commissioner Stamm stated that that would make it a lot shorter than trying to remember. Historic 'Preservation -9 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes Commissioner .Banks stated that the responsibility should be divided 'up once it has been set for public hearing. Then the Commissioner would be in charge of presenting a file to the Commission. Commissioner Stamm questioned as to how the Commission would make their decision. She questioned as to what kind of give and take is there going to be. Paula Pachon, questioned how this would differ from what has already occurred with the Commission through the review. Commissioner Banks stated that there are biases on the Commission. She stated her bias is that she thinks everything should be saved. She stated that there are other biases that nothing should be saved. She stated that things she looked at always said it got a ranking. She stated that things another group looked at never got a ranking. She stated that when that would come before the Commission by a vote of 3-2, it could flip-flop one way or another. She stated that when the Commission reviewed it, all of the Commission was not involved in it. She stated that she was the only Commissionmember involved the review of Etiwanda. Paul Pachon, Administrative Assistant, stated that if you do that again, the Commission will still have their biases and still only have one or two looking at an area, instead of the full Commission. She stated that it was her understanding at the time the survey was started, that the ' Commission would come back and then as a full Commission review the structure.. Commissioner Banks stated that to the extent that something is set for a public hearing, she usually tries to do some investigation on her own. She stated is may not be 'as extensive as a Commissioner that has a strong interest in that property, but she always tries to drive by. Commissioner Stamm stated how long it was going to take for a public hearing. Commissioner Banks stated that it would probably take forever. She stated that this was why the ranking was needed, to get at the ones that are important now. Commissioner Stamm stated that what Commissioner Banks was stating was to go over the whole survey again, even though the ranking has already been done. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that one thing to look is that the list is not unchangeable. He stated the possibility exists that there are properties not surveyed that need to be added to the list. He suggested that the Commission take one from each of the three community areas at a National State level first, one per month, with a total of three public hearings per month for possible designation for recommendation. He stated that this would be in the best interest Historic Preservation -10 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes because of staffing. He stated that the exception to this would be a property owner wanting to do something to his property that the Commission knew was on the list and it would be moved up right away. Commissioner , Banks questioned if it was just one public hearing per month. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that there would be one from each community area, which would make three per month. Commissioner Banks stated that this was the kind of feedback the Commission needed to verify the number which could be heard per month. She questioned that from a staffing standpoint if about three is the maximum. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that he would feel comfortable with that because of the other things that need to be handled. ' Commissioner Banks stated that this kind of information is important to the Commission so that they would not overburden staff so other areas are slighted. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that he would not like the Commission to get agendas where the Commission has all of these public hearings plus any brush fires. He stated that if there was an ' opportunity to move things up and do more, then it will be done. Commissioner Billings stated that after the Commission gets into it, the Commission will find out how they are going. He stated that the Commission might find, that they can handle two per area. Commissioner Banks stated that once the Commission gets to the National State, the Commission will probably recommend all of them for Landmark status. She stated that when the Commission gets to Local, she felt there would be fewer to recommend. She stated that she will probably be off the Commission before the whole list is reviewed. She stated that it will be a long process. She stated that the Commission has accomplished the flagging of the items within the Planning Department, so nothing can happen to them. Commissioner Stamm stated that the Commission will probably never get around to the No's. Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission will if something is going to happen to that property. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that maybe the Commission would feel more comfortable with an "Undetermined" ranking instead of No. Commissioner Banks stated that she would feel a lot more comfortable with that. Historic Preservation -11 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the Planning Department will soon have a complete computer planning module. He stated there is a spot in that computer program that has Historic information. He stated that staff is working on an abbreviated format to indicate; 1) was it surveyed, 2) if it was surveyed, is it potential Local , State, 3) if it was designated Local , State. He stated that this way the. Planner knows it is flagged on the computer screen. He stated that it would be .better to rank it Undetermined instead of No. Commissioner Banks stated that this has been an on-going battle since the survey first started. She stated that both Commissioners that were there were uncomfortable with the status of No. She stated that she would very much like to see "Undetermined" used. Commissioner Strane stated that she would also like to see it as "Undetermined". Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission has voted twice on a Resolution stating that the Commission will review every property as a Commission to give status. She stated that this has not been done. Commissioner Stamm suggested that the Commission start with the National State. She suggested taking National State as a public hearing, then taking Local as a public hearing and then take what's left. Commissioner Banks stated that she agreed that the Commission should ' look at all National States first. She stated that once the Commission has exhausted the one from each community a night, the Commission has a lot left from one community, then the Commission will hear three from that community a night. She stated that part of the report said that went to the state was that it doesn 't have Local Landmark status, but it will shortly. She states that the Commission is not following through on that. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that they would probably be taken by the rank by community. Commissioner Banks stated that it sounded find to take three a night, unless there was a special request from one "of the Commissioners that they would like one considered before another. Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission would not be starting from scratch. She stated that there are files,, pictures, etc. , so the Commission has a lot to go on when the Commission does their application. Commissioner Schmidt asked if there was any more discussion. Commissioner Banks stated that once staff selects the sites, maybe they could select two or three months at a time so that the Commission could pick up files. Historic Preservation -12 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that staff could write out ' a schedule. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that staff could go a six month or even write out the whole schedule. Commissioner Banks stated that whatever staff .could come up with, then the Commission could have a game plan. Commissioner Schmidt 'stated that the schedule would not be set in concrete. Commissioner Banks moved that the Commission direct staff to set a minimum of three public hearings per meeting to consider Landmark status for those items on the Commission's Designated Potential Historical Site List and the selection of the public hearings be first by ranking, first by National State and second by Community (Alta Loma, Etiwanda, Cucamonga) and other than that, the selection be at staff's will . Commissioner Stamm seconded the motion. Motion was carried by the .following vote: AYES: BANKS, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, STAMM, STRANE NOES: NONE ' ABSENT: ARNER, COOPER --carried Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that as a follow-up to the action, because of recruitment for the new position that will be the primary staff to this Commission since they will be the one researching, presenting, the closing deadline is January 14th, how soon does the Commission anticipate that these public hearings would start. He stated that from staff's prospective, staff was looking more toward the March meeting. Commissioner Banks stated that she thought that would be fine. She stated that she felt the Commission had a lot of work to do at the next meeting. She stated that the new staff needs to be brought up to date on things that have been in progress that have not been completed. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that either at the March meeting or April meeting, depending on how recruitment goes. Commissioner Banks stated that what staff could ido is bring the projected schedule to the February meeting. Historic Preservation -13 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes C"ISSION BUSINESS Kelly ,•Orta, Historic Preservation Commission Secretary, stated that there are file cabinets and book cases for Historic Preservation items. She stated that there is a library in the Planning Division if the Commission would like to incorporate their items into it. Commissioner Billings stated that he has turned over some documents to Kelly Orta, Secretary, that were his mother's records. He stated that it is the article written by Nancy Kettle, pictures of first Founder's Day Parade with the Albert Buggy. He stated that he would rather have them in the files instead of his own possession. Paula Pachon, Administrative Assistant, stated that at the December meeting, the Commission directed staff to bring the cactus located in Rancho Cucamonga for Landmark consideration. She stated that she has found it very difficult to find any expert in the field that could give her some additional information. She stated that she was bringing this to the Commission for some additional direction. She stated that the material she has to go before City Council is only that we have a large cactus. She stated that she has not been able to get a hold of the ' gentlemen that is listed as an expert from Cal Poly. She stated that he has not returned her calls or does not get his messages. Commissioner Strane questioned if this was on the Night-Blooming Cactus. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that Paula Pachon might try the Botanical Gardens in. Claremont, a John Dorly. Commissioner Stamm stated that the minutes read that the property owner withdrew his application. Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission overrode the withdrawal . Paul Pachon, Administrative Assistant, stated that she still has three sets of the glasses distributed at the Ground Breaking ceremonies for the three Commissioners that did not receive theirs. She stated that if the Commissioners did not receive theirs, to let her know. Commissioner Billings questioned as to the action being taken , by the City Council on the four Commission terms that are up. Brad Buller,, City Planner, stated that he is organizing it for the City Council . He stated .that was is policy established with the re- Historic Preservation -14 January '7, 1988 Commission Minutes appointment of the CAC members and Planning Commission, that when the terms are up, the City interviews not only the Commissioners whose terms are up, but they open it up to .the public. He stated that in this case, there is 12 applicants, including the 4 whose terms are up. He stated that what this gives the Council is not only interested citizens, but also possible links to more involvement in other areas. He stated that they will be interviewing on the 14th of January. Commissioner Billings stated that he did notice that one other City was handling it the same way. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that there will be a series_ of questions asked for even those who are seeking re-appointment. He stated the sub-committee is made up of Mayor Stout and Councilmember Wright, as well as himself. Commissioner Banks stated that they needed to discuss the Mayor's Resolution. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that he received it in the mail . He stated that the Commission could read it tonight and he did not hear an urgency that the Commission had to take action on it tonight. He stated that the Commission might want to have a preliminary discussion and give ' staff some direction as to whether the Commission would like some additional background or if the Commission would like to submit something to staff within the next few weeks that staff may compile it And bring it back. He suggested that the Commission might want to jot their comments on a separate piece of paper and send them to staff. Staff will then compile them and bring them back in a report. Commissioner Billings stated that for the type of Resolution the Mayor has, it does not need to be too lengthy. Commissioner Banks stated that in Etiwanda, it was known that it was one of the first communities started by the Chaffey .Brothers, that it is older than Ontario, that it was started as a grape industry, that it is the site of the first electric light west of Rocky's and the first long distance telephone call in the world. She stated that she knew the background .on why the Commission was getting the Resolution and the reason for this Resolution is that there was a .commitment made to the incorporators of our City that the three communities would retain their identity. She stated that there is now a movement to forget those three communities. She stated that there are valid reasons why we need the name Rancho Cucamonga. She stated that there was a commitment that the three communities would retain their post offices, but Etiwanda has lot theirs. Etiwanda no longer has a postmark. Commissioner Stamm stated that she thought that was the understanding you would keep your zip code period. Historic Preservation -15 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes Commissioner Banks stated that she thought they were going to keep their postmark. She stated that Etiwanda has to pay $15.00 if they want to be known -as Etiwanda in the phonebook. She stated that this Resolution is a result of that, to re-affirm that there are three historic communities and that they have validity historically, if not commercially in a modern world today. Commissioner Billings stated that he has been contacted by three citizens wanting to know what the Historic Preservation Commission is going to do to counter this move on the telephone company. He stated that they are very adamant about it and they are not all Alta Loma. Commissioner Banks stated that the people she has talked to are in Alta Loma and they are very upset about it. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that what staff can do with the Commissioners that are missing is to following it up with a short memo to fill them in if this is the procedure the Commission wants to follow. Commissioner Stamm questioned what could, be said about Alta Loma. Commissioner Billings stated that Alta Loma originated from the two colonies and upon railroad coming through, two entities could not agree on a name, so a vote was taken and Alta Loma won by one vote. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that staff will inform the other ' Commissioners and if the Commission has the time to put something in writing, staff will bring the comments back in a report at the next meeting and try to compile it at that time. He reminded the Commission that Resolutions are not lengthy. Commissioner Banks questioned if Commissioner Strane or Commission Cooper would be best to do for Cucamonga. Commissioner Strane stated that she thought Commissioner Cooper would be the best. Brad Buller, City Planner, announced that he was late because he is still working on the Thomas Winery. He stated that he was at Design Review and about an hour into the discussion when he had to leave to come to the Commission meeting. He stated that is was going well . He stated that the landscape treatment is coming along well . He stated that they are retaining the vineyards with more sophisticated landscaping at the street. He stated that the architecture of the winery itself in still intact. He stated that the discussion have been around the perimeter buildings and details. He stated that it is expected to possibly to go the Planning Commission on January 27th. He stated that he will not know for sure until he gets back to the meeting. Historic Preservation -16 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes Commissioner Billings questioned whether they were threatening to back out. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that the developer was indicated that he would do anything to stay on schedule. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, wanted to bring to the Commission's attention regarding the Schowalter House, it is important for the Commission to know that the parcel map in question will be reviewed by the Planning Commission on January 15, 1988. He stated that he would talk to Brad Buller, City Planner, on a condition of approval on the map dealing the historic nature or ask the Planning Commission to continue it until the Historic Preservation Commission has its hearing on Landmark Designation. ADJOURNMENT Motion: Moved by Commissioner Schmidt, seconded by Commissioner Billings, unanimously carried, to adjourn to the February 4, 1988 meeting convening at 7:00 p.m. 8:05 P.M. - Historic Preservation Commission Recessed Re pectfully submitted, i elly Orta Historic Preservation Commission Secretary Historic Preservation -17 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes