HomeMy WebLinkAbout1989/12/12 - Minutes - Joint (Cucamonga County Water District)December 12, 1989
CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA
CITY COUNCIL MINUTES
Joint Meetin~
Joint Meeting of the City Council and
the Cucamonga County Water District
A, CALL TO ORDER
A joint meeting of the City Council of the City of Rancho Cucamonga and the
Cucamonga County Water District met on Tuesday, December 12, 1989, at the Lions
Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. The
meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by Mayor Dennis L. Stout.
Present were Councilmembers: William J. Alexander, Deborah N. Brown, Charles J.
Buquet II (arrived 7:40 p.m.), and Mayor Dennis L. Stout.
Absent was Councilmember: Pamela J. Wright.
Also present were: Jack Lam, City Manager; Jerry B. Fulwood, Deputy City
Manager; Rick Gomez, Community Development Director; Jerry Grant, Building
Official; Diane O'Neal, Administrative Analyst; and Jan Sutton, Deputy City
Clerk.
Present from Cucamonga County Water District (CCWD) was the Board of Directors
consisting of: Charlie West, President; George Kuykendall, Director; Jerry
Wilson, Director; Bob Neufeld, Director; Beverly Braden, Director; and Mac
McSween, Controller.
Also present from CCWD were: Lloyd Michael, General Manager; George Blanchard,
Assistant Manager; and Jaymie Foote, Public Information and Water Conservation
Coordinator.
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Mayor Stout stated this was one of a continuing series of meetings the Council
was having with Commissions and outside agencies to improve communication on
issues that affect the community.
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December 12, 1989
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ITEMS OF DISCUSSION
B1. Discussion of ProDosed City XeriscaDe Ordinance A. Water Conservation Measures
B. Reclaimed Water (1204-00 WATER)
Mayor Stout stated the City is in the process of preparing an ordinance for
Council's approval.
Jerry Fulwood, Deputy City Manager, stated that the Planning Department is
working on that ordinance now, and it is scheduled to be presented to Council
sometime in January 1990. He further stated he believed that CCWD has been
working with the Planning Department on the concept. He felt there has been a
strong commitment from both agencies to achieve this goal.
Councilman Alexander stated he has learned quite a bit after attending meetings
with CCWD, but that he still had many questions regarding xeriscaping.
Mayor Stout stated the ordinance also encourages going to irrigation systems that
are more water conservative. He feels the City is moving in the right direction
with this ordinance.
Rick Gomez, Community Development Director, stated the ordinance, besides
covering recommended plant materials, also looks at the latest technology. Their
intent is not to turn the City into a desert, but by using the latest technology
on more traditional plant materials, it will help to conserve water as much as
possible.
Councilwoman Brown stated another issue she would like to discuss was the use of
two lines for water, one for treated water for drinking, and a secondary line for
reclaimed water to be used on landscaping, washing cars, etc. She felt it needed
to be done over the long run. She stated she would like CCWD's opinion on this
issue.
Charlie West, President, stated this issue has been discussed several times at
their Board meetings, and that Lloyd Michael, General Manager, has been involved
in this issue for a long time.
Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated currently sewage from this area is being
treated at RP1 below the 60 freeway, and bringing it back up to this area is not
cost effective. He stated that when RP4 is built in the Etiwanda area, it would
be easier to bring reclaimed water to this area, but felt that the reclamation
of sewage water should be through underground basins. If the basins were
recharged, then it could be used in the local market.
Mayor Stout inquired about the City of Rancho Cucamonga being the largest
customer of CCWD, and asked if it would be possible to run lines to some of the
major parks using reclaimed water.
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George Blanchard, Assistant Manager, stated it might be possible to take a line
to some of the parks when RP4 was constructed, but completion of the plant is
four years away. He stated CCWD is looking into it already, though.
Beverly Braden, Director, stated she is concerned with the issue of landscaping
and parkway meters. She stated the Mount of consumption for greenbelt areas in
the industrial area is more than the consumption by the industrial user in their
plants. She felt this issue should be addressed when RP4 was built, that this
would be an ideal use for the reclaimed water and would be cost effective because
the lines would be brought into one centralized area.
Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated that with the location of RP4, they are
concerned about pumping reclaimed water north of Foothill Boulevard due to the
lift involved.
Mayor Stout asked where does the reclaimed water currently go.
Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated it goes down to Prado, and then on to
Orange County.
Mayor Stout asked if we have to give a certain amount to Orange County.
Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated 17,000 acre feet per year, but that this
was an obligation of Chino Basin Municipal Water District, not of Rancho
Cucamonga. He stated that if we could reclaim 100% of our water, we could, and
then it would be up to Chino Basin Municipal Water District to purchase the water
from CCWD to meet their obligation. He stated they are currently sending over
30,000 acre feet per year.
Mayor Stout asked what are the allowable uses for reclaimed water.
Bob Neufeld, Director, stated that reclaimed water can be used for anything
except edible crops.
Councilwoman Brown asked about the water that is used for dust control by the
water trucks, if it was, or could be, reclaimed water.
George Blanchard, Assistant Manager, stated that is currently water they get from
the fire hydrant system but that reclaimed water could be used. He stated that
with the location of RP4 in Etiwanda, though, the developers would probably
complain if they had to send their water trucks out there to be filled with
reclaimed water.
Councilman Buquet stated the County will be cracking down soon on soil control,
that developers will have to set up sprinkler systems on every development over
five acres. He felt maybe we could work something out to tie in with the
County's plan.
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Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated that the City of Upland has a reclamation
plant at their golf course to use for watering their greens, but it is expensive
to operate. Their permit is such that if it becomes out of sync and there is an
odor problem, they can discharge to Chino Basin Municipal Water District. He
felt it might be possible for the City to do something similar in the higher
elevations. He felt that the City's xeriscape ordinance was a step in the right
direction.
Councilwoman Brown stated that even the simple things, like the right time of day
to water landscaping, are important and should be utilized. She stated that the
City is installing a computerized system at the City Yard to be able to control
the sprinkler system more efficiently, like when the winds are blowing.
Mayor Stout asked if CCWD has ever considered stepped water rates. He felt it
would provide an incentive to people to irrigate efficiently.
Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated their Board is currently considering that
issue. He was worried that low income people might be hurt by such a policy,
because if you had a sufficient income and liked your landscaping the way it was,
you would go ahead and pay the higher rate instead of trying to conserve water.
He stated they were looking at different size meters and lots, and then working
on stepped rates accordingly. He stated that in January 1990, they will be
changing some of their rates, but they were looking at ways to be fair to all of
the citizens.
Councilman Buquet stated that if the system was set up with a type of "life line"
rate like the other utilities use, and then factor in the variables, it still
seemed like a prudent thing to do, that it would provide an incentive for people
to conserve.
Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated he felt they have been fortunate in that
their rates have been lower than the surrounding areas. He felt the advantages
they have enjoyed in the past are now due to supplemental water supply, so the
rate structure for supplemental water will be influencing their rate structure
more.
Councilman Buquet asked if possibly the City and CCWD could combine efforts and
apply for some type of grant funding source. If the funding was available, then
they could explore running dual feed lines from the reclamation source to new
developments for landscaping uses.
Jerry Fulwood, Deputy City Manager, stated that in the Landscape Maintenance
Districts and the parks, the City is installing water sensor meters to help
conserve water and reduce costs. He stated that the industrial area is covered
by a separate Landscape Maintenance District, and their goal is to have the same
type of sensors installed in that area also.
Beverly Braden, Director, stated what she is concerned about are the greenbelt
areas that are maintained by the owners, not the City maintained property. She
felt they needed to work with the owners on conserving water.
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Mayor Stout asked if the industrial users pay separate rates for their
landscaping water usage.
Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated they pay the same rate.
Beverly Braden, Director, felt that through the xeriscape ordinance might come
the ability to control certain types of landscaping.
Councilwoman Brown stated that after the xeriscape ordinance was passed by
Council, CCWD could meet with the Planning Commission to work on interpretation
of what plant materials should be used.
Bob Neufeld, Director, felt there was a need to educate the people at the City
and in the community, and that one day we will have mandatory water rationing.
Mayor Stout asked if there were still any agricultural users in the City.
George Blanchard, Assistant Manager, stated there were very few left. He stated
that some of the City parks were under the agricultural rates.
Charlie West, President, stated he liked that the xeriscape ordinance required
that one or two model homes in new developments be xeriscaped. He felt it would
help more if all the model homes were xeriscaped.
Councilwoman Brown felt it might be an example for citizens of the community if
they were able to see what xeriscaping could look like and that it could be
attractive.
Councilman Buquet felt that if the developer was required to put in xeriscaped
front landscaping on all new homes, the chances are that the people moving in
would not pull it out to put in more traditional, water wasting landscaping, they
would just leave it in.
Bob Neufeld, Director, stated the City might want to take a portion of new City
parks and xeriscape as an example for the citizens.
Rick Gomez, Community Development Direct, stated that is going to be done at Don
Tapia and Central parks.
Beverly Braden, Director, asked if there was any encouragement by the City on
retrofitting landscaping.
Rick Gomez, Community Development Direct, stated so far they have been mostly
aiming at new development.
Councilman Buquet felt if there was a way to develop a rebate program for
relandscaping it might be helpful. He also thought that if landscaping companies
could promote certain types of landscape materials, maybe they could be given a
break in their business license fees as an incentive.
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Bob Neufeld, Director, felt there needed to be a change in people's thinking, and
the issue needed to be dealt with in a creative manner.
2. Discussion of the Extension of Sewer Service (1170-06 SEWERS)
Mayor Stout stated the Council has been struggling with this issue, especially
with the installation of septic tanks. He stated that in the past septic tanks
were encouraged by the Water District as a means of recycling water to the water
basin, but it seems to be turning into a problem now.
George Blanchard, Assistant Manager, spoke about a small tract at Carnelian and
Beechwood consisting of 31 homes. He said originally 2-3 residents had
approached the Board about extending the sewer because their septic systems had
failed. When CCWD surveyed the tract, they found that six systems had failed,
and that part of the failure was due to improper soil percolation. He stated the
problem with doing the extension is the cost, that on this tract the estimate
that each homeowner would have to pay to have the sewer extended was $10,000.00,
which did not include the cost of abandonment and connection to the sewer main.
Mayor Stout asked who has jurisdiction on deciding what type of system will be
installed.
George Blanchard, Assistant Manager, stated the City.
Jack Lam, City Manager, stated he thought it was the Water District.
George Blanchard, Assistant Manager, stated that if a home is within 600 feet of
a sewer line, then it must be extended, otherwise the soil is tested for
percolation as defined by the Building Code.
Councilwoman Brown asked if the City could require that all residences be hooked
into the sewer system.
George Blanchard, Assistant Manager, stated that would be in contradiction to the
earlier statement about allowing septic tanks for percolation purposes.
Jack Lam, City Manager, stated that Jerry Grant, Building Official, has been with
the City since its incorporation and has always been against the installation of
septic tanks, that eventually they fail and then people want to be hooked up to
the sewer. He stated they have discussed this several times in the past and Mr.
Grant has not been in favor of having septic tanks.
Councilman Buquet stated he is not convinced that the septic tanks are still
serving their original purpose of water reclamation through percolation. He felt
it was easier and less expensive for the developers to install them, and then
when they failed ten or so years down the line, the developer would not be
responsible.
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Bob Neufeld, Director, stated he felt their policy on septic tanks has changed
over the past ten years, that the percentage of water they provide for
percolation has dropped considerably as the City has grown. He further stated
that maybe they should take the lead and require hook up to the sewer system.
Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated it used to be that if you could pass a
percolation test, you could have a septic tank on less than half an acre lot.
New regulations were passed in October that required that septice be installed
on no less than half an acre due to the degradation of the water supply by
nitrates. He stated he was worried how they were going to handle 5,000 septics,
since there were approximately 1,500 - 2,000 septice currently under construction
in northern Alta Loma, and all across the north end of the City.
Mayor Stout asked if Etiwanda was on the sewer system.
Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated not at the present time, though it was
planned for in the future. He stated that the Caryn tract was the first one to
be hooked up to the sewer.
Councilwoman Brown asked if the Brock and Griffin homes were on the sewer.
Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated all the homes are on the sewer in that
area.
Jack Lam, City Manager, stated that over the years there has been increased
concern on the part of the Council on this issue, mostly due to the failures.
He stated he thought the Council would be favorable at looking at new development
being required to hook up to the sewer system. He stated the City Attorney
advised that the City cannot unilaterally require that because the City is not
responsible for that service. He felt that maybe the City could work jointly
with the Board to develop a plan.
Councilwoman Brown asked about the Compass Rose tract above Chaffey College, and
why they were allowed to have septic tanks on less than half an acre lots.
Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated that when they were under construction the
developer had the choice of installing either septice or hooking up to the sewer
lines. He stated there was only a $400-500 difference in choosing to hook up to
the sewer, but they chose to install septice instead. He etated that at that
time, if they could pass a percolation test, which they did, they were not
required to be on half an acre lots.
Jerry Grant, Building Official, stated there has always been that impression that
you could not install a septic if on less than half an acre, but actually it was
allowed as long as you could pass a percolation test and had the ability to
double the size of the system on the lot.
Jerry Wilson, Director, stated that there was a time when septice were restricted
to half acre lots or larger, but in the 1970's the regulations were changed to
allow installation as stated by Mr. Grant, and were only currently changed back.
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Mayor Stout asked if they could explain why the developer chose to go with the
septic system.
Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated for cost savings, probably, but that they
were never given an explanation as to why.
Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated they supported the City progressing toward
annexing their sphere of influence. He stated that the County's restrictions
were not the same as the City's, and that water consumption in that area was
astronomical compared to CCWD's Master Plan.
Mayor Stout asked if CCWDwould be interested in an ordinance prohibiting on-site
septic tanks.
Beverly Braden, Director, stated that she personally would not have a problem
with that.
Jack Lam, City Manager, felt the legal counsels for the two agencies would need
to confer to define a sewer policy.
Bob Neufeld, Director, felt the timing was right because they were going to have
to look to water quality in the near future due to the nitrates in the water
basin, and the septic tanks were not helping that situation.
Mayor Stout stated he wanted to avoid problems they were encountering now in
other areas where developers were playing the County against the City. He didn't
want to have a developer come to the City and be told they would have to hook up
to the sewer to receive approval of a project, and then have the developer go to
the Water District and be told it would be acceptable not to hook up to the
sewer. He felt they needed to have concurrent, compatible policies.
Bob Neufeld, Director, stated that George Blanchard, Assistant Manager, would
check with their legal counsel and bring suggestions to the next Board meeting
on what they can do.
Councilwoman Brown stated she felt it was important that this be done
concurrently with the City.
3. Discussion of Items of Mutual Interest. (1204-00 WATER)
Lloyd Michael, General Manager, stated that both agencies are serving the same
constituency, and felt the cooperation between the two agencies onthe whole has
been good.
Mayor Stout stated that there will always be disagreements on how to handle
certain issues, but felt that the bottom line is that both agencies have dealt
together as professionals, and that has been important in helping to resolve
conflicts.
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Bob Neufeld, Director, felt that the sludge disposal problem will become a major
concern in the West End, and that the City might want to be involved in this
issue. He felt the District was going to be faced with imposing charges on the
citizens to have the sludge hauled out of the area. He also felt that certain
EPA controls on odors could have a major cost impact on the community, and felt
the County has been slow to move on these problems.
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C. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC
There were none.
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D. ADJOtFRNMENT
MOTION: Moved by Brown, seconded by Alexander to adjourn the meeting to an
Executive Session to discuss legal matters. Motion carried unanimously, 4-0-1
(Wright absent). The meeting adjourned at 8:45 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Jan Sutton
Deputy City Clerk
Approved: January 3, 1990