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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1993/02/24 - Minutes - PC-HPCCITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting February 24, 1993 Chairman McNiel called the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Planning Commission to order at 7:00 p.m. The meeting was held in the Council Chandler at Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Chairman McNiel then led in the pledge of allegiance. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONERS: PRESENT: Suzanne Chitiea, Larry McNiel, Peter Tolstoy, Wendy Vallette ABSENT: John Melcher STAFF PRESENT: Brad Buller, City Planner; Dan Coleman, Principal Planner; Ralph Hanson, Deputy City Attorney; Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner; Steve Hayes, Associate Planner; Dan James, Senior Civil Engineer; Scott Murphy, Associate Planner; Beverly Nissen, Associate Planner; Steve Ross, Assistant Planner; Gail Sanchez, Planning Commission Secretary ANNOUNCEMENTS Brad Buller, City Planner, announced that a request had been received from the applicant for Item B to continue the matter to allow the Commission time to review a packet of material which had recently been submitted to the Commission and staff. He indicated staff supported the continuance and that staff was currently researching the matter and the request may become null with the application being withdrawn. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Chitiea, seconded by Vallette, carried 3-0-1-1 with Melcher absent and Tolstoy abstaining, to adopt the minutes of February 10, 1993. PUBLIC HEARINGS B. VARIANCE 93-01 - SHARFI - A request to reduce the minimum accessory structure setback from 5 feet to 1 foot for a 240 square foot tool shed and 240 square foot overhang on .5 acre of land in the Very Low Residential District (less than 2 dwelling units per acre), located at 9685 Whirlaway Avenue - APN: 1061-541-24. Chairman McNiel remarked that the applicant had requested a continuance. Motion: Moved by Tolstoy, seconded by Chitiea, to continue Variance 93-01. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: NOES: ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: CHITIEA, MCNIEL, TOLSTOY, VALLETTE NONE MELCHER -carried CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 92-33 - CLAUDINE EUBANK - A request to allow a massage establishment within a 1,610 square foot leased space in an existing commercial center on 9 acres of land in the General Commercial District located at 7890 Haven Avenue, Suite 14 - APN: 1077-401-29. (Continued from February 10, 1993.) Steve Ross, Assistant Planner, stated that staff had analyzed the ordinance and discussed its implications with the applicant. He reported that the applicant had agreed to restrict her services to female customers until a second restroom/locker facility is added. He stated that the Administrative Services Director had agreed that would be in compliance. He commented that the applicant had indicated she plans to construct separate facilities to allow her to treat male customers. He suggested the addition of two conditions limiting the business to female customers until a separate restroom/locker facility for males is provided to the satisfaction of the City Planner and Administrative Services Director. Chairman McNiel opened the public hearing. Claudine Eubank, 4565 Triple Crown Drive, Bonsall, stated she was willing to comply with the City ordinance in order to serve both female and male customers. She said she would like to see health clubs allowed in other areas of the City. Hearing no further testimony, Chairman McNiel closed the public hearing. Commissioner Tolstoy asked if the conditional use permit would have to return to the Planning Commission for modification to allow male customers when the facilities are upgraded to accommodate men. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated the resolution was worded to require only the approval of the City Planner and Administrative Services Director. Motion: Moved by Vallette, seconded by Tolstoy, to adopt the resolution approving Conditional Use Permit 92-33 with modifications to limit the business to female customers unless a separate restroom/locker facility is provided to the satisfaction of the City Planner and Administrative Services Director. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: NOES: ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: CHITIEA, MCNIEL, TOLSTOY, VALLETTE NONE MELCHER -carried Planning Commission Minutes -2- February 24, 1993 DIRECTOR' S REPORTS DEVELOPMENT REVIEW 92-15 - FOOTHILL MARKETPLACE PARTNERS - A request to construct approximately 161,000 square feet of retail space within a previously approved commercial retail center in the Regional Related Commercial designation (Subarea 4) of the Foothill Boulevard Specific Plan, located on the south side of Foothill Boulevard, west of Etiwanda Avenue - APN: 229-031-28 and 33. Scott Murphy, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman McNiel opened the public hearing. Greg Wattson, The Wattson Arno Company, 3620 Birch Street, Suite 100, Ne~ort Beach, stated the drawings presented incorporated the changes requested at the last workshop. Hearing no further testimony, Chairman McNiel closed the public hearing. Commissioner Tolstoy stated he had been unable to attend the workshop. He said he did not object to what was proposed, but he felt the south elevation would have to be upgraded when the western phase of the project is built because it would be visible from the freeway. Chairman McNiel stated that the Design Review Committee had reviewed that portion of the project and the applicant had provided sight lines which indicated that most of the wall will not be visible because of the grade differential. Commissioner Tolstoy felt that roof-mounted equipment should be carefully reviewed. Chairman McNiel stated that had been discussed. greatly improved since the initial presentation. Wal-Mart are good looking. He felt the project had been He thought Price Club and Motion: Moved by Chitiea, seconded by Vallette, to adopt the resolution approving Development Review 92-15. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: NOES: ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: CHITIEA, MCNIEL, TOLSTOY, VALLETTE NONE MELCHER -carried REVIEW OF VINTNERS' WALK IN CONNECTION WITH CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 91-24 - MASI - A review of the Vintners' Walk plans at the southwest corner of Foothill Boulevard and Rochester Avenue - APN: 229-011-10, 19, 21, and 26 through 28. Planning Commission Minutes -3- February 24, 1993 Beverly Nissen, Associate Planner, presented the staff report. Chairman McNiel asked why a change was proposed from the originally approved bas-relief story boards. Ms. Nissen responded that the applicant could better address the reasons but they had indicated they felt the revised proposal would be more appropriate for the site and allow for easier graffiti removal. Chairman McNiel asked if the rest of the plans were consistent with what was originally seen. Ms. Nissen replied that the balance was consistent. She noted that the staff report also noted some items which should be deleted, such as the use of flags and the monument sign. She noted that the pedestrian light fixtures should be consistent with the guidelines of the Foothill Boulevard Specific Plan. She said the LaFourcade Entry Arch would be reviewed by the Planning Commission again when the building comes in for design review. Chairman McNiel asked if the proposed changes were reviewed by the Historic Preservation Commission. Ms. Nissen said the concept plans were reviewed by the Historic Preservation/ Planning Commission Subcommittee but the proposed changes had not been reviewed by the Historic Preservation Commission or the joint subcommittee. Commissioner Tolstoy felt the LaFourcade display did not appear to be in character with the Vintners' Walk because the display appears modern. Chairman McNiel invited public comment. Michael Scandiffio, Masi Commerce Center Partners, 1510 Riverside Drive, Burbank, complimented staff on their report. He felt the only issue was the interpretive displays. He said they had originally suggested bas-reliefs at either end of Vintners' Walk. He indicated they had not envisioned using bronze because that would cost about $40,000 each, but rather a dense styrofoam material or light-weight concrete. He said the artist advised against the bas-reliefs for three reasons. He indicated it would be necessary to stand several feet back from the display to appreciate the detail if it were done in dense styrofoam or light-weight concrete and only a very fine bas-relief in bronze could give a proper effect if viewed close up. He said the walk is not wide enough for people to stand back to view. Mr. Scandiffio said the artist felt the displays should tell a story, which would mean there should be five to six to tell a story and only two bas-reliefs had been planned and they were to be about two different families. He said the artist indicated that generally people have to know what bas-reliefs are about because it would be hard to get the information across without a lot of text. He said the original plans had called for five to six interpretive displays on stucco walls with a silk-screen sheet bolted on. He said they hired Milton Solomon, a famous communication designer, who observed that the most important thing was to get the message across. Mr. Scandiffio remarked that Historic Preservation Commission Chairman Marsha Banks had also stated Planning Commission Minutes -4- February 24, 1993 the most important thing was to get the message across. He said Mr. Solomon came up with a program which included upgrading the materials of the interpretire displays to an acid-etched heavy gauge aluminum. He said therefore if the paint is scratched off, it can be filled back in because of the acid etching. He said the LaFourcade topic with the bas-relief did not seem appropriate because they wanted to tell a lot about them. He thought it did not seem to be appropriate to have a bas-relief for the Masi family at the other end of Vintners' Walk because the Masi family is really associated with the winery. He said they therefore felt it would be better to start out with a special vertical feature with lights built in with information about LaFourcade on both sides, followed by the five displays telling the history of wine making (Boom or Bust, Grapes in the Desert, etc.), with a duplicate vertical element at the other end with the vintner family names and a map showing where they were located. He said they then placed a small plaque in front of the winery with information about the Masi family. He said the sign designer felt the signs should be simple because if they were elaborate, it would take away from the message. He said the displays would not be aluminum color, but jewel tones. He said the signs depicted as "B" on the plans would be jewel tone green on the edge, buff brown on one side and off-white on the face with burnt sienna or green text. He felt more elaborate displays would compete with the LaFourcade Arch, tiles, and rock wall. He showed pictures from a book of interpretive displays from other countries including a clear glass plaque, small monuments, and stainless steel plaques. He thought the trellis railings will be either burgundy or jewel green. Commissioner Tolstoy asked for if jewel tone would be likened to anodizing. Mr. Scandiffio pointed to the grape cluster hanging behind the dais and said that would be an example of jewel tone. He said jewel tones are muted primary colors. Commissioner Tolstoy asked how the color would be affixed to the aluminum. Mr. Scandiffio said it would be baked-on enamel with acid etched letters and photographs and paint silk screened into the letters. Commissioner Tolstoy felt some examples of a similar finished product or a scrap of the materials should be shown to the Design Review Committee for approval. He was confused by the terms being used. Mr. Scandiffio felt that any type of display would be on metal, even if it were affixed to stucco. He said the process they proposed using is the most expensive process. Chairman McNiel asked Mr. Scandiffio to respond to the other issues raised in the staff report; i.e., the Masi monument sign, thematic pedestrian light fixtures, and the decorative flags. Mr. Scandiffio stated that the decorative flags were a carry-over from the original plans. He thought they should probably be deleted because he felt the area is getting too busy. He said their intent with the monument sign had been to depict their ability to create a modern looking monument sign that has Planning Commission Minutes -5- February 24, 1993 an historic feel because of the grill work on the top. He thought there was a comment in the Foothill Boulevard Specific Plan that light fixtures can be high-tech modern and they wished to be sure the light fixtures do not conflict with the historical elements. He felt staff could review the light fixtures at a future time. Chairman McNiel asked if the light fixtures had been selected as yet. Mr. Scandiffio said they would be shown as part of the working drawings submittal. He said in their opinion, the most important thing is communication and they did not wish to get too fussy on the Vintners' Walk. Commissioner Tolstoy questioned if the 18-inch x 18-inch plaques with local vintners' family names and wine labels would be glazed ceramic tiles. Mr. Scandiffio said if they use a tile it will be glazed. He said they had come up with an idea about two weeks that they were also exploring to place the names on the seat wall because they would be able to fit in more names than if they place tiles in the ground. He said they had found a process that could place the names continuously in the top of the seat wall when it is being cast. He said they could keep the names in the ground but they would also like to explore the seat wall option. Commissioner Tolstoy commented that a drawing had been presented for approval, but it appeared that they were not sure what they wanted to do. Mr. Scandiffio said he was sure and he would withdraw the suggestion to place the names on the seat wall. Commissioner Tolstoy stated he was not asking that the tiles be kept in the ground, but he had merely been asking what type of tile it would be because he wondered about the durability. He noted that he had seen glazed ceramic tiles in walk ways that appears very nice. He hoped a lot of changes would not be requested in the future. He said Mr. Scandiffio seemed not to be sure that they would do what was presented on the plans. Mr. Scandiffio said they were sure what they were going to do and he had merely suggested the tiles in the seat wall as an option for discussion. He said they had gone to great expense to prepare the drawing and had specified all the materials and colors. He said the Historic Preservation Commission had said they should do interpretive displays and art, which he felt suggested they do two or three. He said they are actually doing seven pieces, a 160-foot long Vintners' Walk with a river rock wall, a separate Masi plaque, and a $45,000 statue. He felt they had gone well beyond what the Historic Preservation Commission had wanted Commissioner Vallette asked where the river rock wall would be located. Mr. Scandiffio outlined the wall on the plan. plan as a "local washed stone seat wall." He said it was noted on the Commissioner Vallette asked if the base of the vintner statue would be high enough so that the statue would be visible from Foothill Boulevard. Planning Commission Minutes -6- February 24, 1993 Mr. Scandiffio replied that the base of the statue will be about 3-4 feet high. He said the base will be made of smooth concrete to allow for plaques on the surface. Chairman McNiel asked if any plaques were proposed. Mr. Scandiffio said that would be up to the artist. He felt that as the project progresses, more things would probably be added. Commissioner Chitiea said she was curious about Mr. Scandiffio's proposal for placing the names on the seat wall which he had dropped so fast. She thought it sounded interesting and was worth exploring. Mr. Scandiffio felt that having the tiles on the ground would divert attention from the interpretive displays along the walkway. He said they had started to investigate a process to indent the names in the seat wall and they could even add logos. He said the seat wall would be in sections so new sections could be put in with new logos. He thought it would be a better idea than the tiles in the walkway. Commissioner Tolstoy asked if their landscape architect had looked at the proposal. Mr. Scandiffio responded affirmatively. drawings. He said he had completed working Commissioner Tolstoy asked what type of vines would be over the top of the arbor. Mr. Scandiffio thought they were planning to train a grape vine to follow the grooves designed into the trellis. He said the matter had been discussed at the Design Review Committee meeting and they were also exploring adding lights to the inside of the arch. He said they had a contractor who was trying to see if the lights could be engineered. Chairman McNiel thought it had been determined that lights would be in the arch. There were no further public comments. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that staff believes the applicants have proposed a plan which is generally consistent with the original proposal. He said staff's primary concern was the one element touched upon by Commissioner Tolstoy, Elements B and D on the drawing. He said staff was asking the Commission if they felt it was acceptable and consistent with what was originally proposed so far as the design, style, and materials. He suggested that if the Commission felt it was not consistent, they direct the applicant to work with staff. He stated that if the Planning Commission thought that Element B and D were acceptable, staff felt at least the subcommittee of the Historic Preservation Commission should be given the opportunity to comment since it is not consistent with the concept they found acceptable. Planning Commission Minutes -7- February 24, 1993 Commissioner Vallette requested that Anthea Hartig give her opinion. Anthea Hartig, Associate Planner, felt the real issue was whether or not the history should be depicted visually and artistically or purely descriptively. She said she was torn and noted that museum curators typically look for something that will not detract from the subject, usually a monument that is near the descriptive plaque. She said in this case the monument, the former LaFourcade Store, is no longer there. She said therefore capturing the essence of the former LaFourcade Store could be done pictorially through a monolithic story board that would visually describe the history including some written text, as initially envisioned. She agreed that the Historic Preservation Commission had been clear that the emphasis should be to make sure that people understand. She said the Planning Commission was being asked to give input on whether it would help people to better understand the history of the corner by reading about it at each end of the Vintners' Walk or whether it would be better to have more visual images to connect the words along the walkway. She thought it was a toss up. She noted that there were a series of events on the corner, not just one historical event. She wanted to be sure that the proposed variation would effectively blend with the architecture. Chairman McNiel asked if there could be a combined structure that would be more fitting. He felt the proposed element appears like a directory that would be found in a mall. He did not feel it fits in architecturally. Commissioner Tolstoy felt that one of the nice things is the statue. He thought text along the walk in combination with the statue would create a nice visual effect. He wondered if a similar concept should be used for the LaFourcade family. Ms. Hartig asked if he meant another statue or another visual. Commissioner Tolstoy felt another statue would not be necessary, but some graphic or a scene should be included to give something to look at. Ms. Hartig suggested a composite piece combining both text and visuals. She said one of the Colton newspapers ran a nice spread with some historical photographs when Mr. LaFourcade died. She noted that an oral history had also been sponsored by the project and there were possibilities to have historic visuals. Commissioner Tolstoy noted that the Masi family has the statue and the LaFourcade family has the arch. He felt the text should direct pedestrians to look at the arch. Ms. Hartig noted that it had been an objective to integrate the arch into not only the architecture but also into the history. Commissioner Tolstoy agreed the arch would mean nothing unless there is something to tell its history. Ms. Hartig felt the Masi brothers plaque in front of the winery is a way to connect the building to the past and she felt something similar could be done with the arch. Planning Commission Minutes -8- February 24, 1993 Commissioner Tolstoy suggested a visual of the building with the arch on it. Ms. Hartig stated she liked the idea of being able to light the displays contained in the proposal. She noted that the design of the plaques and their bases along the Vintners' Walk (Element C) is effective because it is accessible and does not take away from the area. She felt the applicant is working with some very talented people. Mr. Buller suggested the Commission may wish to discuss Elements B and D to indicate whether or not' the direction is acceptable, and if not whether the Commissioners favored a hybrid or going back to the original concept, or deferring the matter to staff. He agreed the applicant had hired some very competent professionals. Commissioner Tolstoy asked if the facade of Denny's has river rock. Chairman McNiel invited additional public comment. Mr. Scandiffio stated it has Mexican cut stone in medium brown. He said they could put a picture of the building and the archway on the Denny's building. He said there is a tower element at the northwest corner and they could put a silk-screened, etched plaque there, which would be close to the original location. He suggested another solution would be to put the vintner families on the east side of the Vintners' Walk and put the LaFourcade display on the west side because it would be closer to the Spaghetti Factory, where the arch will be placed. He said they could orient the display in such a way that it would be looking towards the arch. He noted that the displays would have large photographs on them in addition to the text. He said they could also place some tile treatment in the ground. There were no additional public comments. Chairman McNiel noted there had been a presentation suggesting that there were still many options available. He thought it would be best to workshop the project to nail down the particulars. He felt the bas-relief should be reconsidered. He believed Historic Preservation Commissioners should be involved because it is a critical issue to the Historic Preservation Commission and the community. He thought a workshop could be arranged very quickly. He did not think the plan was complete enough to allow the Planning Commissioners to make a decision. Commissioner Tolstoy felt the Commission needed a perspective of what is being considered. He said the plan is a footprint and not in three-dimension. Commissioner Vallette felt the plan works well in concept. She stated she did not wish to prolong the process but indicated she would have expected more of an idea of how it will look from eye level and how it will relate to Foothill Boulevard. She asked if there was a way to expedite the process. She thought perhaps Mr. Scandiffio had given alternatives because he wanted the project to proceed and is willing to work with the Commission. She thought the Design Review Committee could perhaps review it before bringing it back to the next -Commfssion meeting. She said her main concern was with the displays, in that Planning Commission Minutes -9- February 24, 1993 she was having trouble picturing what the displays will look like. She wondered if they will have a painted metal appearance. She also said she would like to know what it would look like from different levels. She hoped the process would not become drawn out and could come back to the next Commission meeting. Commissioner Chitiea stated she would be interested in knowing how the Historic Preservation Commission felt about the concept. She agreed that the displays have a contemporary appearance and could be likened to an airport; however, she felt that the metal archway is also contemporary and she thought that contemporary look is being mimicked in the displays. She thought that if the material displayed historical photographs more predominantly than text, the proposal could work well. She felt that if the bas-relief were not in bronze, there would be a good chance it could become permanently damaged. She did not feel a foam material for the bas-relief would be acceptable and acknowledged that even concrete could be vandalized. She thought .if the plates were retained for the metal displays, they could be replaced even if they were severely damaged. She believed it is important to have information about the LaFourcade history and attention should be called to the new location of the arch. She thought the Planning Commission should not act without input from the Historic Preservation Commission and suggested that the Planning Commission/Historic Preservation Subcommittee should work out the details. Chairman McNiel felt the project is a very important element in terms of historic preservation. Commissioner Chitiea felt the project still had quite a few details to be worked out. Mr. Bullet commented that staff felt pretty comfortable with what had been presented with the exception of the LaFourcade and Vintner families displays. He remarked that the Historic Preservation Commission had been very willing to allow staff to handle the details of the final materials and how things are connected and displayed. Commissioner Chitiea felt that the Historic Preservation Commission had particularly liked the has-relief aspect and she was concerned about changing to the more contemporary displays without their input. She acknowledged that the Historic Preservation Commission wants the information presented. Mr. Buller felt that everything was fairly well nailed down. He thought Mr. Scandiffio had offered options because he sensed some hesitancy by the Commissioners. He said staff was comfortable with the plan other than Elements B and D. He suggested moving forward on everything but those elements and perhaps returning that aspect to the subcommittee for final approval before the working drawings are taken through plan check. He did not feel a full workshop was necessary on the entire Vintners' Walk. Chairman McNiel noted that Mr. Scandiffio had suggested replacing the tiles along the walk with names on the seat wall. Planning Commission Minutes -10- February 24, 1993 Mr. Buller felt that had been offered only because Commissioner Tolstoy had asked how it was to be laid in the concrete. He said that if such a change were introduced, the Commission would be informed. Chairman McNiel asked if approval should be given to the plan with the exception of Elements B and D, the displays. Commissioner Chitiea agreed that would expedite the process. Chairman McNiel asked the need to expedite the plan. Mr. Scandiffio said they would liketo break ground as soon as possible. Commissioner Chitiea felt the displays are consistent with the arch, which appears contemporary rather than having a traditional heavy beamed approach. She liked the concept of putting the light within the arch. She supported the plan and felt the specific details could be refined through the subcommittee. Commissioner Vallette agreed that was acceptable. Commissioner Tolstoy agreed with the concept but felt some of the details were not clear. He said it would be up to the Commission as to whether the details should be worked out with staff, the Design Review Committee, or a workshop. Mr. Buller noted that staff was not seeking approval of the details, but that they should be deferred to staff. Chairman McNiel asked if there had ever been any suggestion that the bas-reliefs would be made of styrofoam. Ms. Nissen stated she did not recall any such discussion. Commissioner Chitiea thought the original concept had been stone. Commissioner Tolstoy stated foam would not be acceptable. He felt there was not enough detail and the Commission should be able to vote on the materials to be used. Commissioner Chitiea noted that the plans now eliminate the bas-relief, so the use of foam would not be an issue if the new display concept is acceptable. Mr. Buller stated that if the Commission wished to refer Elements B and D to a joint Planning Commission/Historic Preservation Subcommittee, that meeting could be held as soon as the applicant presented additional information on those elements. Commissioner Tolstoy stated he would make a motion to approve the plan in concept with the exception of Elements B and D so long as the Subcommittee considers the materials for each element. He wanted to be sure the tiles and materials are appropriate. Commissioner Vallette asked if the.motion would include Mr. Scandiffio's offer to remove the flags. Planning Commission Minutes -11- February 24, 1993 Commissioner Tolstoy agreed. Mr. Buller stated that specifics of materials and how items are attached are often not known until the construction drawings are submitted for plan check. Commissioner Tolstoy felt construction drawings. the joint subcommittee should review the Mr. Buller asked if an affirmative vote would be necessary to pass on the construction drawings. Commissioner Tolstoy responded affirmatively. Motion: Moved by Tolstoy, seconded by Chitiea, to approve the proposed Vintners' Walkway and public art concepts with the Elements B and D and the construction drawings to be reviewed and approved by the Historic Preservation/Planning Commission Subcommittee. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: NOES: ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: COMMISSIONERS: CHITIEA, MCNIEL, TOLSTOY, VALLETTE NONE MELCHER -carried Chairman McNiel remarked that in response to Mr. Scandiffio's comment that they had gone to great lengths to satisfy the public displays requirement, the applicant had received rather advantageous zone changes to make the project possible. COMMISSION BUSINESS Commissioner Tolstoy asked the Commission what they thought of the Public Safety Commission's resolution stating traffic control devices used in commercial centers should be consistent in size, shape, and color with that used in the public right-of-way. He felt large shopping centers should have their own, unique signs. He requested that the matter be placed on the next agenda for further discussion. Brad Buller, City Planner, suggested that it may be a good idea to have Engineering staff available at the meeting to respond to some of the issues. Commissioner Vallette asked that minutes of the Public Safety Commission's discussion also be provided so the Planning Commission could understand the rationale used by the Public Safety Commission. Commissioner Tolstoy also felt the Commission should discuss whether stop signs should be placed at each exit. Commissioner Chitiea also wanted to discuss the striping used at walkways. Chairman McNiel asked that the matter be placed on the next agenda. Planning Commission Minutes -12- February 24, 1993 Mr. Buller suggested that Mr. Yanovich may wish to be present during the discussion. Dan Coleman, Principal Planner, reminded the Commissioners that they should be reviewing the proposed design award projects so their feedback could be used to develop a short list for a full Commission tour of the projects in order to make the final selections. , , , , Brad Buller, City Planner, noted that the meeting should adjourn to a workshop being held at the Tolstoy residence on March 3, 1993. Commissioner Tolstoy stated that normally a lot of time is spent on the work program and he realized that Mr. Bullet would need to leave the meeting early to attend the City Council meeting. He questioned if the meeting should be held on another night to allow more time. Mr. Buller said he understood the workshop was being held because there had been a question about where on the priority list the Hillside Grading Ordinance amendment is located. He did not feel the entire work program needs to be resolved that evening. Mr. Buller suggested that on a future agenda, an update could be given to the Commission of the issues being handled by the Advance Planning staff. , , , , , Commissioner Vallette requested that residential development regarding plotting of homes be discussed at the next meeting. She said she had heard comments regarding a crowded appearance and the Commission had addressed that subject somewhat by requesting single-story homes but she felt homes have been "maxed" out on many lots. , , , , , ADJOURNMENT Motion: Moved by Tolstoy, seconded by Chitiea, carried 4-0-1 with Melcher absent, to adjourn. 8:45 p.m. - The Planning Commission adjourned to 5:00 p.m. on March 3, 1993, at the Tolstoy residence, 9540 Hillside Road, Rancho Cucamonga, for a workshop on the Planning Division Work Program and Planning Commission Goals and Priorities. Respectfully submitted, Secretary Planning Commission Minutes -13- February 24, 1993