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PLANNING COMMISSION
WORKSHOP AGENDA
WEDNESDAY
FEBRUARY 10, 1999
7:30 PM
Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center
Rains Room
10500 Civic Center Drive
Rancho Cucamonga, California
I. CALL TO ORDER
Roll Call
Chairman McNiel __ Vice Chairman Macias __
Com. Mannerino __ Corn. Stewart__
Com. Tolstoy_
II. NEW BUSINESS
PRE-APPLICATION REVIEW 99-01 - MIGHTY DEVELOPMENT, INC.
- A request for confirmation of the grading concept for the previously
approved Tentative Tract 13674, consisting of 18 lots on 11.29 acres
of land in the Very Low Residential Distdct (up to 2 dwelling units per
acre), located on the west side of Amethyst Street, north of Valley View
Drive - APN: 1061-401-03.
III. OLD BUSINESS
THE VICTORIA ARBORS (FORMERLY VICTORIA LAKES) -
AMERICAN BEAUTY DEVELOPMENT CO. - An overview of the
proposed land use and development concepts for Victoria Arbors
within the Victoria Community Plan on approximately 291.8 acres of
land, generally bounded by Base Line Road, Foothill Boulevard,
Etiwanda Avenue, and the Day Creek Channel - APN: 227-201-04, 13
through 18, 22, 28 through 30, and 36; 222-201-33; 227-161-33, 35,
36, and 38; and 227-171-08, 11, 12, 14, 20, 22, and 23.
IV. PUBLIC COMMENTS
This is the time and place forthe genera/public to address the Commission. Items
to be discussed here are those which do not already appear on this agenda.
V. ADJOURNMENT
The Planning Commission has adopted Administrative Regulations that set an
11:OO p.m. adjournment time. If items go beyond that time, they shall be heard only
with the consent of the Commission.
I, Gall Sanchez, Planning Commission Secretary of the City of Rancho
Cucamonga, or my designee, hereby cetlify that a true, accurate copy of the
foregoing agenda was posted on February 4, 1999, at least 72 hours prior to
the meeting per Government Code Section 54964.2 at 10500 Civic Center
Drive, Rancho Cucamonga.
VICINITY MAP
CITY HALL
CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA -
STAFF REPORT
DATE:
TO:
FROM:
BY:
SUBJECT:
February 10, 1999
Chairrnan and Members of the Planning Commission
Brad Buller, City Planner
Nancy Fong, AICP, Senior Planner
THE VICTORIAARBORS (FORMERLY VICTORIA LAKES) - AMERICAN BEAUTY
DEVELOPMENT CO. - An overview of the proposed land use and development
concepts for Victoda Arbors within the Victoria Community Plan on approximately
291.8 acres of land, generally bounded by Base Line Road, Foothill Boulevard,
Etiwanda Avenue, and the Day Creek Channel - APN: 227-201-04, 13 through 18,
22, 28 through 30, and 36; 222-201-33; 227-161-33, 35, 36, and 38; and 227-171-
08, 11, 12, 14, 20, 22, and23.
BACKGROUND: At the workshop on January 27, 1999, the Planning Commission directed staff
to provide background information on the history of the Victoda Community Plan, specifically
relating to the Lakes Village. With the completion of the Design Charrette, the Planning
Commission should review the six alternatives of the Charrette and provide feedback to staff and
the applicant on their opinions of the six alternatives and offer direction to how the Arbors project
might need to relate to these alternatives.
HISTORY OF VICTORIA COMMUNITY PLAN: There were public comments regarding how the
lakes came about as an open space element for the plan and how this element would serve the
Victoda residents and the Etiwanda residents. Comment was also raised on how densities were
determined for the entire Victoda Community Plan and how the amenities of the Victoda Lakes
Village were offered as a balance to those densities. The Commission directed staff to provide
background information with regards to this issue. Attached are copies of staff reports and
minutes (Exhibit "A") based on the odginal adoption of the Victoda Community Plan and Etiwanda
Specific Plan. Staff is still researching the historic and archive information for the workshops on the
two documents. Additional information will be provided at the meeting or at later workshops.
RESULTS OF DESIGN CHARRETTE: Attached for your review is a memo (Exhibit "B") from
Redevelopment staff summarizing the results of the Design Charrette. The various colored concept
boards will be available for Commission review at the workshop. To have sound and successful
land use planning for the winery site and the adjacent Arbors project, it is cdtical for the Planning
Commission to consider compatible land uses between the two sites. The following questions
should facilitate discussions by the Commission on the subject matter:
Should the winery site continue to have a High Residential (24-30 dwelling units per acre) land
use designation?
ITEM B
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-VICTORIA ARBORS - AMERICAN BEAUTY DEV, CO.
February 10, 1999
Page 2
Should the City consider commercial zoning or develop a special zoning to accommodate
land uses that would support and enhance the success of the historic winery use?
Should the City look beyond the winery site in designating adjacent land uses that would
support and enhance the success of the histodc winery use?
What land use would provide the proper buffering adjacent to the winery site?
Should the winery site have some form of spatial relationship with a school and park or other
open space element?
DISCUSSIONONLANDUSESFORTHEARBORSPROJECT: To assist in the discussion ofland
uses, staff has divided the Arbors project site into three large areas, as shown in Exhibit "C." The
following questions should facilitate general discussion on determining the best arrangement of land
use for the project.
SUBAREA 1 - Bounded by Base Line Road, Day Creek Boulevard, and Church Street
Assuming the winery site remains High Density Residential with a winery use, what would be
the appropdate land use for the properties east, west, and south of the 14-acre site?
Assuming a mixed use or a special commercial zoning for the winery site, what would be the
appropdate land use for the properties east, west, and south of the 14-acre site?
What would be the appropriate land use or design buffer for the properties along 6th Street?
Should the existing wetland be considered a feature that should be incorporated into the
project's final design or should alternatives be proposed?
Does the centrally located joint school/park element of this area with the green belt paseos
linking it to the rest of the community provide a successful alternative in place of the odginal
lakes concept?
SUBAREA 2 - West of Day Creek Boulevard, north and south of Church Street.
Should the City maintain the area as commercial?
Should residential land uses be considered in this corridor? If so, what densities should be
considered?
SUBAREA 3 - West of Etiwanda Avenue, south of Base Line Road, north of Church Street.
Should the parcel(s) at the northwest quadrant of Etiwanda Avenue and Church Street up to
the existing temple be changed to Residential? If so, what densities should be considered?
Should this whole block, including the temple, be changed to residential?
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REPORT
-VICTORIA ARBORS - AMERICAN BEAUTY DEV. CO.
February 10, 1999
Page 3
RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends that the Commission discuss the above and provide
direction to staff and the applicant. The Commission's recommendation on the Design Charrette
alternatives will be forwarded to the City Council.
Respectfully submitted,
Brad Buller
City Planner
BB:NF:jfs
Attachments:
Exhibit "A" - Planning Commission Staff Reports and Minutes
Exhibit "B" - Memo from the Redevelopment Agency dated February 3, 1999
Exhibit "C" - Project Study Boundary by Subareas
Exhibit "D" - Locations of School and Park
Exhibit "E" - Victoria Lakes Village Concept
CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA
IPLANNING CO~,~ISSION MEETING
September 29, 1980
Adjourned Regular Meeting
CALL TO ORDER
The adjourned regular meeting of the Planning Commission of the City of
Rancho Cucamonga, was held in the Lion's Park Community Building,
9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, on Monday, September 29, 1980.
Meeting was called to order at 7:05 p.m. by Chairman Dahl, who led in
the pledge of allegiance.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT:
COMMISSION~2~S: Jeffcry King, Jeff sceranka,
Peter Tolstoy, Richard Dahl
ABSENT:
COMMISSIONERS: Herman Rempel (Excused)
ALSO PRESNET:
Jack Lam, Director of Community Development; Barry K. Hogan,
City Planner, Edward A. Hopson, City Attorney; Paul Rougeau,
Senior Civil Engineer; Lloyd Hubbs, City Engineer
Chairman Dahl stated that this is the time and place for the review of the
Victoria Community Plan. It is the second meeting in a series of meetings
and the topic for tonight is a discussion of Band Use. He then asked
Mr. Lam for the presentation.
Jack ~am, Director of Community Development, announced that the third
meeting for the review of the Victoria Community Plan will be held in the
Etiwanda Community Room on Etiwanda Avenue beginning at 9:00 a.m. on
October ll, 1980. He then asked Barry Hogan, City Planner, to present
the report.
Barry Hogan, City Planner, presented the staff report which is on file at
the Planning Division office. There were various questions regarding
schools and open space, park deficiency, trails and lakes. It was
explained that the schools and open space are separate from one another
even though they are adjacent. That the adJacency of the schools and
open space was to add more space than would be normally available were
these uses separated. It was noted that there is a 4 acre park
deficiency which may be made up at the time that the specific consideration
of the tentative tracts is made and that the detailed discussion of the
deficiency should occur under the Parks and Open Space category. Mention
was made of the trail system as to whether or not there were additional
trails at a smaller level than the community trails provided. It was
indicated that there would be paseos that would be included within each
residential area to connect into the community trails. The question on
the lakes referred to the kinds of maintenance and dedication that is being
requested. It was explained that the details of the design of the lakes
would be before the Planning Commission at a later date at which
time they could look into the details of maintenance and lake design.
There being no other questions of Staff, Chairman Dahl opened the
public hearing portion of the meeting. He asked for public comment.
Andrew Barmakian of Barmakian and Wolff, expressed his concerns with
the plan. He said basically that he liked the plan and said that it
was well-conceived for the most part. His particular concern was with
the southwest corner of Etiwanda and Base Line. He referred to the
zoning that the property presently enjoys and that it should be designated
as a neighborhood commercial center. He explained his view on traffic
circulation, indicating that the traffic that would normally come down
Etiwanda Avenue is being diverted to Day Creek Boulevard. It was his
opinion that traffic would find the area of least resistance and
essentially stay away from Day Creek Boulevard because of the high
volume that street would have. This transfer of traffic would be
down Base Line and Etiwanda Avenue and would therefore make commercial
at the intersection more viable.
Mr. Hogan clarified some of the issues that were raised by Mr. Barmakian
and answered some of his questions regarding land use.
Chairman Dahl asked SWA to respond to the issues raised by Mr. Barmakian.
Don Tomkins of SWA indicated that to design a plan around roads simply does
not work and will give the City of Rancho Cucamonga another Los Angeles.
His indication was that the boundary of the Etiwanda area is approximately
1000 feet west of Etiwanda Avenue and that to use the Etiwanda Avenue
as the boundary would eventually destroy the community that presently
exists in Etiwanda.
Mr. Barmakian said that he was sure that once the Etiwanda residents
get a chance to speak that they will show that they would want greater
density and not the preservation of the rural character.
The representatives of the Buddhist Temple came forward and explained the
usage of the Temple stating that it is primarily for regional use extending
to areas as far as Santa Barbara for meetings, marriages and funerals.
He liked the idea of the plan and had some concerns specifically, the use
of the Temple as a buffer for the regional-related uses to the lower
windrow residential uses and the use of the Temple as a buffer from the
regional-related uses. He indicated that it was the Temple's desire to
preserve the contemplative atmosphere in a rural kind of setting and
that he believed protection through landscaping and setbacks would be
appropriate and acceptable. Additionally, he stated that he had some
concern with the specific uses proposed in the regional-related use
area. His indication was that they should be more defined so that
appropriate buffering could be employed. His basic desire was that the
character of the area should be preserved.
Kay Matlock, representative of Lewis Homes, owners of the Terra Vista area,
south and west of the project stated their concerns are twofold: One,
that the commercial center located at Base Line and Millken should be
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removed or relocated to the Tetra Vista area to provide better service.
She indicated that they are proposing one shopping center near there.
Secondly, the regional-related commercial uses raises the question of
appropriate amount 6f commercial land and the spin off effects that it
may have on the City. Of particular concern are the uses proposed to
be located there and whether or not they should be more central to the
City. Should there be limits and if so, what kind of limits? It should
be agreed that the market place should determine what goes there and
what is fair for Victoria should be fair for Tetra Vista.
~t-. Hogan clarified statements made on the regional-related use and
location. He stated that regional-related uses are generally those
kinds of commercial and office uses that draw from the greater region
or regional customers and that the type of land uses or conunercial
uses of which Ms. Matlock referred to would be more of a community nature
and that both could be put within the City of Rancho Cucamonga.
Commissioner Tolstoy commented on the need for regional-related uses and
concurred with the Staff recommendation. Also, he was concerned that a
statement should be put in that the development of the regional-related
uses should occur from Foothill northerly and be phased.
Chairman Dahl also stated his concern with the regional-related land use
and particularly, the uses allowed within the regional-related area. He
would like to see a more clear definition in the text.
Ronny Tannenbaum, Etiwanda resident, spoke of the'character of the
Etiwanda community and its relation to Etiwanda Avenue. He indicated
that Etiwanda Avenue is, in fact, the center or focus of the Etiwanda
community. He would like to encourage or like to see more cluster
housing in the A-Land Use area to preserve the relatively large blocks
of land areas with housing occurring now and then. He sees Victoria
Parkway as a possible flaw in the plan in terms of the way it functions.
He believes that if there are not proper controls put upon that road,
it will become a major thoroughfare through Victoria community. He
suggests that all automobile use be removed from Victoria Parkway and
that it be used exclusively for transit such as a mini-bus.
Chairman Dahl asked for any responses or comments from the William Lyon
Company.
Don Tomkins of SWA Group representing the William Lyon Company indicated
that the Plan balances all the land uses and most of the issues have been
thoroughly explained before.
There being no additional comments, Chairman Dahl closed the public portion
of the Land Use review. He asked Commissioner Tolstoy to begin the comments
section. Commissioner Tolstoy said he would like to commend SWA and
Willie Lyon Company in a Job well done. He concurred with the suggested
conditions of the staff report and the addition of the condition on the
phasing of the regional-related uses. He feels this approach is a better
way to go. He asked Gary Frye of the William Lyon Company if the school
districts had concurred with the locations proposed in the Victoria Plan
for schools.
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September 29, 1980
Mr. Frye responded that they had concurred at this point in time with
the locations.
Commissioner Tolstoy also mentioned that he has some concern with the
location of the commercial center at Milliken and Highland and that perhaps
it might better be located on Victoria Parkway~ however, he is not sure
whether this will be appropriate in light of the character or atmosphere
that the developer is trying to create along Victoria Parkway. He concurs
with Commissioner Dahl's use of pool-sized lots in the B-Land Use and
the 25 percent seemed to be a good amount. He stated that the A-Land Use
is an important part of the plan and feels that it is excellent with the
special plantings and bufferings proposed. He sees that Etiwanda Avenue,
if used as a border or buffer of the rest of the Etiwanda area would, in
fact, start the loss of the character of the Etiwanda community. He
likes the trail system and would like to make sure that there is a good
well-planned trail system in each area at a more local level i.e., paseos.
Commissioner King stated he has some specific comments on other areas which
he will hold until later. He would like more time to digest all the
comments mentioned tonight rather than make statement at this point. He
did, however, mention that in reviewing the plan, it appears that the
focuses of the villages are of a public nature and that this was
appropriate; however, he questioned whether or not there should be a
church located in the area of Victoria Vineyards as part of that public
focus.
Commissioner Sceranka has serious concerns about the impact of this
development on Rancho Cucamonga. He is sure that Etiwanda Avenue is
the key to preserving the character of the Etiwanda community and he
believes that the plan does not destroy that character. }{e is, however,
having some problem with the east-west traffic in Victoria. He made
the point that people who lived in Victoria would be working southwest
in Rancho Cucamonga and the region. He also is in favor of using the
windrows in Etiwanda as a buffer in additional to increasing setbacks
for housing and design of homes along Etiwanda Avenue. He cites
Euclid Avenue as an example.
He agreed with the comments made by the representative of the Buddist
Temple, that there should be height and size restriction on the regional-
related uses adjacent to the Temple in order to provide adequate buffering
and protection.
Chariman Dahl stated that he felt the plan is excellent in addressing
the issues of the area. His concern, as mentioned earlier, is with the
B-Land Use area containing pool-size lots which mean 35 foot rear yard
for approximately 25 percent of the B-Land Use. The windrow area along
Etiwanda Avenue is beautiful and he would llke to see more information
on the buffering of the A-Land Use and its retention of the rural
character. He concurred that affordable housing should be 15 percent,
but that the 15 percent should be over all of the entire plan, not for
each village. He did not believe that there should be stratification
created by this.
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September 29, 1980
Commissioner Tolstoy agreed with Chairman Dahl but wanted assurances that
the housing remain affordable. He was unsure as to when the subject
should be discussed. Community Development Director, Jack Lam, explained
the issue of affordable housing and the options for resale controls. He
indicated that Staff is currently investigating the methods for controls
and that the whole area will be dealt with in the Housing Element of the
General Plan.
Commissioner Sceranka feels that one of the major aspects of the plan is
the smaller lots proposed and that one of the major problems with developers
is that of land cost. With the smaller lots there would be an ability to
provide lower cost housing. He also added that with the recreation
facilities proposed in the Victoria area, it may lessen the need or desire
for pool-size lots.
Chairman Dahl countered that in areas with amenities there are also
pools. The community should give something to all and it should be
provided. he had some concerns with the controls with the regional-related
uses south of the Temple and feels that there should be no ingress or
egress to Etiwanda Avenue from that regional-related area. He agrees
with Staff's suggestion to remove the commercial status for Base Line
and Milliken; however, he has some concern with the center on Victoria
Parkway and Base Line Road.
Commissioner Tolstoy noted that the City should look for strong interaction
between the Victoria Community Plan and the Terra Vista Community Plan.
He would like to see the parkway along Milliken have some relationship
to Terra Vista in some manner. He is not advocating that there be an
Victoria Parkway in Tetra Vista but that there be a strong relationship
to both plans.
The City Planner summarized the Commissioners' comments basically stating
that they agreed with the conditions recommended in the staff report
regarding land use and asked if they wished to see: l) more specific
uses in the regional-related area with specific concern around the Temple~
2) that the applicant present at future meetings drawings or slides
showing the buffering along Base Line Road proposed near Etiwanda Avenue;
3) that the applicants plans indicate landscape buffering between the
Temple and the regional-related uses; 4) that there be an additional
condition on the phasing of the regional-related uses to start from
Foothill Boulevard northerly; 5) that there by 25 percent of the B-Land
Use residences reserved for pool-size lots, i.e., 35 foot deep rear yards.
The City Planner indicated that on the October 11 meeting scheduled in
the Etiwanda area, that should there not be a big public turnout for
that meeting, that the Commission should be prepared to discuss the issues
of circulation, parks and open space. Also, he indicated that the Commission
should be prepared to select the next two items for review and set the
next two meeting dates for review of Victoria.
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Commissioner Tolstoy moved that the meeting be adjourned to the October 8
regular meeting, seconded by King, carried unanimously.
lO:10 p.m. The Planning Commission adjourned.
CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA
· PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
October 11, 1980
Adjourned Regular Meeting
CALL TO ORDER
The adjourned regular meeting of the City of Ranshe Cucmmonga Planning Com-
mission and continued public hearing of the Victoria Planned Community took
place at the Etiwanda School Community Room, 6925 Etiwanda Avenue, Etiwanda,
on Saturday, October ll, 1980. Meeting was called to order by the Chairman
at 9:20 a.m.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT:
COMMISSIONERS:
,
Jeff cry King, Herman Rempel, Jeff Sceranka,
Peter Tolstoy, Richard Dahl
ABSENT:
COMMISSIONERS: None
STAFF PRESENT:
Barry K. Hogan, City Planner; Ted Hopson, City Attorney;
Lloyd Hubbs, City Engineer; Joan Kruse, Secretary; Paul
Rougeau, Senior Civil Engineer
*Commissioner Rempel arrived at 10:10 a.m.
Chairman Dahl opened the meeting by stating that hc would like everyone pre-
sent to provide input on the Victoria Planned Community which is being pro-
posed within the City of Ranshe Cucamonga. He further stated that this meet-
ing is one of a series of meetings that will be held to discuss this issue
and advised that another meeting is scheduled to be held in the Lion's Park
Community Building on October 29, 1980 at 7:00 p.m. He invited everyone pre-
sent to attend.
Chairman Dahl stated that a sign up sheet was available to record attendance,
which appeared to be about 100 people, and indicated that those who signed the
sheet would receive information on future meetings.
Chairman Dahl introducedMr. Gary Frye, representing the Wm. Lyon Company,
developer of the Victoria Planned Community. Mr. Frye provided background
on the Victoria Plan and introduced Mr. Don Tomkins of the SWA Group, who,
together with Mr. Frye, gave a slide presentation on the concept of the
planned community; what the relationship of the land ownership is including
that of the Wm. Lyon Company; the circulation pattern for traffic in the area,
the proposed regional shopping center; and proposed recreational areas within
the concept.
Commissioner Rcmpel arrived at 10:10 a.m.
Following the presentation there was audience response and a question and
answer period. Generally, those who spoke could be divided into two groups:
those who were homeowners and those who have property that is developable.
There were some people who did not have preconceived ideas and some who did
not understand what the process concerning adoption of a planned community is.
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Individuals who spoke during the meeting were:
Rosemary Ginther, regarding schools
Nell Westlotorn, regarding density and other items
David Long, County master plan and how it differs from the Victoria concept
James McGuire, lack of planning
Pat Gearhart, widening of Etiwanda Avenue
Ray TruJillo, various items
Jim Flocker, zoning
Dave Swaithes, communications
Sandy Barrett, zoning for horses
John Vlasic, the CAC and its function
Jim Frost, relationship of CAC to community and City Council and the
General Plan
Nancy Brown, anticipated population as a result of planned community
Bob Casaletti, future zoning and its effect on his property
Frank Harding, availability of sewer services to older residents
Marsha Banks, preservation of Etiwanda rural atmosphere
Chairman Dahl left at 12:35 p.m. and turned the chair over to Commissioner
Sceranka.
Commissioner Rampel left at 12:43 p.m.
Andrew Barmakian, traffic impacts resulting from regions/center and residen-
tial construction
K. C. Flocker, on specific development to the north
Bruce Chitea, density
Betty Welland, traffic circulation
Jim Banks, affordable housing and its impacts on older residents
Lorraine Bailey, wood shingle roofs and fire hazards
The Planning Commission did not make any decisions nor did the staff make any
presentations.
Notification of future meetings was discussed with a suggestion that any
meeting notices relative to this project be posted in the Etiwanda Post
Office which is known as a central location within the community for com-
munication.
Motion: Moved by King, seconded by Tolstoy, carried unanimously, to adjourn.
1:35 P. . The Planning Commission adjourned.
CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
October 29, 1980
Adjourned Regular Meeting
An adjourned regular meeting of the Rancho Cucamonga Planning Com-
mission and continued public hearing of the Victoria Planned Community
was held on October 29, 1980 at the Lion's Park Community Center,
9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California.
Chairman Dahl opened the meeting at 7:07 p.m. and led in the pledge
of allegiance.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT:
COMMISSIONERS: Jeffery King, Jeff Sceranka, Herman
Rempel, Peter Tolstoy, Richard Dahl
ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: None
STAFF PRESENT:
Tim Beedle, Senior Planner; Barry Hogan, City Planner;
Ted Hopson, City Attorney; Lloyd Hubbs, City Engineer;
Joan Kruse, Secretary; Jack Lam, Director of Community
Development; Paul Rougeau, Senior Civil Engineer
ANNOUNCEMENTS
City Planner, Barry Hogan, announced that on November l, 1980 a grand
presentation of the General Plan would be made. Additionally, that
from that date forward, there will be a series of meetings held on
the General Plan. Mr. Hogan stated that Mr. Beedle will get concurrence
on meeting times and dates for these meetings through the end of the
year.
Tim Beedle, Senior Planner, advised the Commission that a tentative
schedule had been prepared for the Commission's review. Mr. Beedle
indicated that the first meeting would serve as an opening for an
investigation of the plan on broad matters and that the Planning Com-
mission and Staff would proceed with diagnosing the various components
of the plan. He further indicated that two meetings are proposed for
the Land Use and Housing Elements and for Circulation, Transportation
and Parks. Mr. Beedle explained the process that would occur in the
hearing and discussion of the plan stating that it will serve two pur-
poses: One, to expose the plan to the community; and Two, to be the
review for the eventual adoption of the plan.
Community Development Director, Jack tam, asked the Commission if the
tentative dates shown on the schedule met with their approval.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that the dates looked good but that he will
not be here on December 29.
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Mr. Hogan stated that the hearing dates for the General Plan and the
Victoria Planned Community are on alternating Mondays and asked that
the Commission confirm these dates to lend stability to the hearing
process through the middle of December.
Motion: Moved by Rempel, seconded by Sceranka, carried unanimously
to accept the calendar presented.
Chairman Dahl stated that it appeared there was not as much publicity
on this particular meeting and requested that the Parks and Open Space
portion of this agenda be deferred to the November lO, 1980 meeting to
allow more time for publicity.
The Planning Commission concurred in this request.
VICTORIA PLANNED COMMUNITY - 80-01 - CIRCULATION
Mr. Lam stated that this is the third in a series of hearings on the
Victoria Project, and that this particular meeting would discuss the
Circulation Plan proposed and critique the plan. He further stated
that Mr. Lloyd Hubbs, City Engineer, would give a brief presentation
and overview of how the transportation is proposed to be handled from
an engineering perspective, how it relates to the City, and how the
plan relates to the overall concepts of transportation. Mr. Lam indi-
cated that a staff report was previously presented on circulation within
the Victoria project and that there would be discussion on this after the
presentation.
Mr. Hogan stated that he had a few preliminary comments and indicated
that a list of conditions for consideration for Circulation, and Parks
and Open Spaces sections had been prepared and, al though they were not
in final form, they could act as a guide.
Lloyd Hubbs, City Engineer, gave a synopsis of how the Circulation Plan
was evaluated and what conclusions staff came to regarding it. He stated
that the circulation system as proposed for Victoria is adequate but that
was not to be taken that there are not problems that remain to be worked
out. Further, that the fundamental system is adequate in that unusual
problems will not be encountered in working with the system. Staff had
identified several specific items that they felt would require modification
within the plan. They felt that Rochester should be continuous between
Base Line and 19th Street. Highland Avenue needs to have additional
study to interface it with the design of the freeway or whatever facility
might evolve in the Foothill Corridor. Interchanges that are proposed
along the Foothill Freeway must be examined. Also identified is a portion
of land required for grade separation at Milliken and the Pacific Electric
railroad tracks.
Mr. Hubbs stated that it is important to recognize that we are at the
presentation level and details must be worked out at the tentative map
stage.
Mr. Hubbs stated that a detailed analysis of the right-of-way required of
the Victoria Parkway must be made. Further, that the loop streets system
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is indicative of a concept in circulation that must be worked out. A
final point was made that this circulation plan proposed in the Victoria
Planned Community must coincide with the Transportation Element that
would ultimately be approved in the General Plan.
The conclusion that Mr. Hubbs made is that the plan is adequate to handle
the development that is proposed.
Mr. Hubbs described the planning process that the City went through and
the traffic model tool that the City used. He further explained how
engineering fits into the planning process. A judgement, however, was
not made on whether the circulation system is desirable or undesirable.
Engineering, he stated, evaluates and makes recommendations as to what
is required to accomplish the goals of the Land Use Plan.
Mr. Hubbs stated that the goal of circulation planning is to develop a
transportation network for the movement of goods and people. The Land
Use Plan in terms of traffic impact and problems were identified and the
devleopment of circulation of land use in the City were tested by the
traffic model.
Mr. Hubbs went through a series of graphic presentations to the Commis-
sion showing how the traffic model was used to establish the amount of
anticipated traffic that would be generated through the development of
Victoria. Also discussed were the levels of traffic that were thought
would be generated and their impact on key streets within the City.
The relationship of traffic and its impact as a result of the regional
center was also interfaced with the Plan.
Commissioner Sceranka asked Mr. Hubbs to explain the proposed change
of traffic at Etiwanda and Base Line as traffic there is proposed to
increase from 2,000 to between 15,000 - 20,000.
Mr. Hubbs replied that based on the traffic model that is the number that
they are getting. That, he stated, is why he went through the detail of
presentation to give the numbers relative to traffic on specific streets
rather than a guess.
Commissioner Sceranka asked if trips generated are on the basis of short
distances to get to a point and if this is an accurate measurement.
Mr. Hubbs replied that the traffic model was developed with parameters
to determine just how people would get from one point to another.
There was discussion on how a determination could be made of proposed
streets such as Day Creek Blvd. and the level of traffic it would handle
if it is unknown just where the street will be. Commissioner Sceranka
also indicated that he was concerned with the proposed jog that is con-
templated in Etiwanda Avenue.
Mr. Hubbs replied that this will be taken up in the next level of planning.
The model says whether this is effective to receive these trips and take
people to where they are going.
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Commissioner King asked if there was knowledge of where the interchange
would be located in the Etiwanda area off of 1-15 and what the impact
would be.
Mr. Hubbs stated that it will be adequate for the traffic flow and
would be well designed to handle traffic.
Commissioner King asked, based on the study, what percentage of traffic
going into the regional center will use 1-15.
Mr. Hubbs stated that a more detailed study would have to be done to make
that determi nation. Further, that this will be done in the next stage
which is what they are beginning now. This is the next level of detail,
he stated, and that CALTP, ANS and the Federal Highway Department would
also have to be involved in the process of determining what kind of inter-
change will be placed there. He indicated that this is a very complex
issue.
Chairman Dahl asked how the trip generation was arrived at.
Mr. Hubbs explained that it is done through empirical study and provided
information on how trips are measured at a local shopping center.
There was further discussion on trip generation relative to the number
of trips produced by single family, multiple family and mobile homes.
Commissioner Sceranka asked that if at this level you take into account
capacity and that when you take a look at the next level, what will
insure that you will be able to solve the problems atthe next level;
he did not understand how it can be stated that everything can be handled.
Mr. Hubbs replied that these studies are nebulous at best. The larger
problem areas will remain because we are not yet on the edge of a dramatic
change in the way we travel. There are a lot of unknowns from an opera-
tional standpoint and over the years the problems will change. When you
look ahead 30 years there are a lot of things that now may not occur but the
increases in building will not occur all at once either. Through special
studies and monitoring you can keep up with the changes that are necessary.
Mr. Lam stated that at the General Plan level the changes that are proposed
in this circulation plan are incremental. Each year the General Plan is
examined for goals and objectives. Based on the assumptions of traffic,
if you feel that it is not what you want, you have the ability to increase
or close off projects that will have direct effect on traffic. Further,
as Mr. Hubbs stated, if you evaluate the situation each year you would
know in what direction you are going.
Commissioner Sceranka asked in terms of levels are the extrapolations
shown worst case, medium worst case, etc.
Mr. Lam replied that a lot of developers think of them as being worse
case; however, they are auto-oriented and while some people think they
are too high because of the gas situation and energy consumption, from
an engineering perspective, they are a comfortable figure.
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October 29, 1980
Commissioner Tolstoy ~tated that he would predict that automobiles
will start getting bigger and he does not want to see the standards
reduced because of compact cars.
Mr. Lam stated that in planning for streets you keep your options open
and take a comfortable worst case situation and plan your land use in
such a way to support transit and increases over a period of time.
Commissioner King asked, as an example, Etiwanda Avenue without anything
has an estimated 8,000 - lO,O00 cars. Further, what kind of development
do these projected volumes envisage and where do the cars come from.
Mr. Hubbs stated that basically this would be local traffic based on the
trips of the people who live there coming and going to work and those
who want to get to I-lO. There was further discussion on traffic
generation from the area above Highland and the proposed Victoria area.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked if the figures in the column listed existing
volume are true.
Mr. Hubbs replied that they were.
Commissioner King asked if there is any comparison for a shopping center
of the one that is proposed in Rancho Cucamonga to see if there is a
relationship of land uses and traffic flows.
Mr. Donald Frisher, who stated that he was a consulting traffic engineer
on this project, explained how the figures are generated relative to
regional shopping centers.
8:30 p.m. - The Planning Commission recessed.
8:50 p.m. - The Planning Commission reconvened.
Mr. Gary Frye, representing the William Lyon Company, developer of the
Victoria project, indicated that he was prepared to give a very brief pre-
sentation on Victoria and discuss the regional center. He further stated
that a representative from the Hahn Company was present to answer any
questions. Mr. Frye stated that he felt comfortable with the City Engi-
neer's report and the City Engineer's feeling that the plan will work
relative to circulation. He felt that there were not any large problems
at this level. Mr. Frye also pointed out to the Commission that Day
Creek Blvd. is proposed to take a great deal of traffic off of Etiwanda
Avenue and that without it, the traffic on Etiwanda Avenue would increase
substantially whether or not the Victoria Planned Community is approved.
The number of trips generated already reflects the purpose of the Victoria
Plan in removing traffic from Etiwanda Avenue.
Commissioner Rempel asked the Traffic Engineer, Mr. Frisher, if the
figures represent the amount of traffic for the regional center, what
hours would the traffic come in.
Mr. Frisher replied that there are shopping variables throughout the year.
While traffic volume is predictable, it is not the same as you would find
everyday from home to work. Traffic increases significantly during the
Christmas season and Mr. Frisher showed the difference between average
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and peak traffic. He'described how shopping center parking lots are
designed for the number of cars it must accommodate and how they are never
designed to serve the highest peak shopping days.
Commissioner King asked Mr. Frisher how he saw autos getting in the
regional center.
Mr. Frisher replied that all routes will be utilized; Foothill, 1-15,
the Devore Freeway, and Base Line would be some of the routes.
Commissioner King asked how the numbers were arrived at for the Foothill
Blvd. and 1-15 exit.
Mr. Frisher explained that the information came from the Hahn Company
on the type of stores that would be located in the center and the figures
they have on similar cel~ters.
Commissioner King stated that it appeared that the traffic engineer still
does not have a good knowledge of how cars are going to come into the
shopping center.
Mr. Frisher replied that this is a difficult question to answer because
there are so many variables.
Batty Hogan, City Planner, stated that the concerns that Commissioner
King was expressing are the same concerns that staff has and that they
are asking that an additional study be done to see what routes traffic
will take and what street widening will be needed.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that it occurred to him that if 30% of the
traffic is coming from south on 1-15 and between 10-20% from the desert
or the north, which means that the remaining 50% is coming from other
streets other than the freeway. He stated that he wished particular
attention paid to Foothill Blvd. because cars will find the easiest way
to get from point of origin to destination. He felt that Base Line and
Highland would also have to be examined for their impact.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that the CAC had discussed circulation and
had made a recommendation that traffic into the community would have a
negative impact that could destroy the community.
There was discussion on the impact the completion of the Foothill Freeway
would have on traffic within the City and whether this had been considered
in the traffic model.
Gary Frye indicated that much has been said about circulation but that he
would like it understood and agreed that the DKS Model with the level of
the Victoria Plan and the proposed General Plan land use intensities have
all been put in the model. What the model has proven is that the streets
at build out are adequate to handle the traffic. What Mr. Frisher was
saying about the regional center is that the off ramps are adequate to
handle traffic without impacting local traffic with the Victoria Plan.
They know it will work. The key is that the interchanges have not yet
been designed at this point. The traffic model has proven that at the
General Plan level and the Planning Commission level that the plan works
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and accomplishes the goals of the City in providing an efficient cir-
culation system.
Commissioner King stated that if you take Etiwanda Avenue and don't know
what routes cars will take into the regional center, we don't know how they
will impact Etiwanda Avenue. Further, with so many vehicles that could
impact, we need to be as precise as we can in knowing where cars will
come from or else we won't know if Etiwanda Avenue or any other road can
handle it.
Gary Frye stated that he didn't think that a grand presentation of their
circulation plan is necessary but perhaps a run through would help to be
sure that the Commission knows what they are talking about and feel com-
fortable with.
Chairman Dahl stated that he was in favor of that and presumed that the
alternatives would be shown if the Foothill Freeway did not go through.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that he did not like to think negatively
about this but asked if the "D" level is acceptable for Etiwanda Avenue.
Commissioner Rempel replied that when Mr. Hubbs stated that a "D" level
had been put into the traffic model it was meant that that would be the
same design amount of traffic and not the maximum level of traffic anti-
cipated.
Commissioner Sceranka expressed a fear that if the streets are designed
for a worst case condition that is what will happen and he did not wish
to see that happen on Etiwanda Avenue.
Mr. Hubbs replied that Etiwanda Avenue is designed to be a level "B" or
"C" at the most.
Chairman Dahl asked if that meant that you can't design for Etiwanda
Avenue.
Commissioner Rempel stated that we should design for the maximum and not
the minimum.
Chairman Dahl stated that when the Foothill Freeway is put through it
will take a tremendous amount of traffic off of the streets in Rancho
Cucamonga. It is when the cars "jump off" the freeway, he said, that
problems will occur.
Commissioner Rempel stated that we have no control over when the Foothill
Freeway will be developed.
Chairman Dahl stated that is why all the alternatives must be considered
over the next 5 years.
Barry Hogan stated that to put some perspective on the regional center,
when the Blayney plan was made there was a conscious effort to show a
regional center but it did not show precisely where it would be located.
With Sedway/Cooke effort was made to locate the regional center so that
traffic and circulation could be determined and local traffic minimized
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through the City. Hestated that it is important to keep in mind that
the regional center will be located at the Foothill Blvd. Devote Freeway.
Further, that a circulation system can be designed to do what we want to
do within the confines of the General Plan and Circulation Element. Mr.
Hogan indicated that streets can be located anywhere but the intent was
to keep a major amount of traffic away from Etiwanda Avenue.
Mr. Hogan stated that in answer to Commissioner King, we don't know
where the traffic will be coming from but a determination must be made
of where the traffic is not wanted. If the Commission desires to
discourage traffic at any point we can indicate it to the applicant,
City Engineer and staff.
Chairman Dahl asked if there would be an off ramp at East Avenue.
Mr. Hogan replied that there would be.
Chairman Dahl stated that if the Planning Commission felt comfortable with
what had been presented to this point he would open the public hearing.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that perhaps the Lyon Company should make
their presentation so that at some later time the Commissioners cannot
say that they didn't understand.
Commissioner King stated that it was not a matter of presentation, he
was just not comfortable with it, period.
Mr. Wes Pringle, 2651E. Oaven, Fullerton, a traffic consultant for the
Lyon Company stated that he would be making basically the same presentation
that Mr. Hubbs, the City Engineer, had made and the process was almost the
same for Victoria as it had been for the General Plan. He stated that
the data had been given to the City and then to the City's Consultant,
DKS and they ran it through the traffic model and came up essentially with
the same data.
Mr. Pringle stated that the circulation plan was looked at both with and
without the Foothill Freeway to determine the impact the regional center
would have on Foothill Blvd. traffic. He further indicated that the system
will work without the freeway, it results in increased traffic along Foot-
hill Blvd. before the freeway gets built, but that they will have to consider
this in the design. Mr. Pringle said it was important to look at the cir-
culation plan and particularly the north/south arterials. He stated that
Day Creek Blvd. and the others fit logically into the spacing along there.
He explained how major roads are planned generally one-mile apart.
Mr. Pringle stated that the plan was drawn to reflect lO0 percent develop-
ment but that no City ever develops to lO0 percent. In addition, engineers
traditionally fudge up on their estimates of traffic so the figures that
are shown in the model are probably greater than what will actually exist.
The level of service on the circulation is at "D" and this is generally
acceptable for urban areas. He felt that traffic will not be this heavy
now but may be in 20-30 years.
Mr. Pringle further stated that there will always be through traffic in
the City and that it is important to consider that the system will work
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from the studies the{ were made. The plan will have to be refined and
fine tuned but nothing is proposed that isn't there. He stated that
they are generally following the City's General Plan for circulation and
land use.
Chairman Dahl opened the public hearing.
Mr. John Lyons, 11984 Dorset, Etiwanda, indicated that whenever there is
any discussion of Etiwanda, the Rochester tract is left out. He indicated
that the traffic levels as designed are too high and should be above the
"D" level. His primary concern was that Rochester Avenue have a traffic
signal at Foothill Blvd.
Mr. Hubbs replied that a signal is planned for that intersection; how-
ever, it will be some time in the future.
There was some discussion of locating more than two shopping centers at
any one intersection within the City and Chairman Dahl stated that pre-
sently there is a policy that no more than two shopping centers can be
built at any given intersection.
There was some discussion of how Rochester had been planned as a major
arterial road within the City by the County prior to the City incorporation.
Mr. Hubbs indicated that with future development, Rochester will be a major
north-south thoroughfare.
Mr. Lyons also asked about densities and Mr. Hogan referred him to the
General Plan meetings during which time he could take up these questions.
Mr. Nell Wesseltorn, 6613 Thayer, Etiwanda, asked if the City Engineer
cannot easily define what the regional center will be and how much
traffic will be generated, how can traffic be projected to be lower or
higher on Etiwanda Avenue or East Avenue.
Mr. Hubbs replied that this had been discussed briefly during the break
and primarily Mr. Wesseltorn's concern was that of regional-related uses.
Mr. Hubbs said that it is difficult to know precisely what those uses will
be at this point in time, but we must know what our goals are and that they
are clearly defined because of the difficulty of projecting what will occur
over a 30-year period. Moreover, on a year-to-year basis evaluation must
be done to be sure that the goal is in sight or whether any adjustments
must be made.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that we have to be sure that we set up the
right parameters now because what comes after these projects will have to
work. He said that if you have good ground rules you can say to a developer
that what is being proposed will or will not work.
Mr. Wesseltorn asked based on the figures, is the projected volume based
on traffic to and from the center only or from the Victoria proposal as
well.
Mr. Hubbs replied that the figures are based on the land use in the General
Plan and outside of the area to the year 2010. This includes the entire
City at build out and the traffic in the Ontario, Fontana area as well.
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Chairman Dahl asked if the only area left out is the County area.
Mr. Hubbs replied that there are assumptions but they are very low.
Barry Hogan stated that the modeling was done on the General Plan and not
the Planned Community; however, the model is the same. Further, that the
same number would be arrived at as far as traffic is concerned if you
have a planned community or if the development takes place piecemeal.
Mr. Wesseltorn asked that if the City is concerned with traffic in the
Etiwanda area, how can we presume that traffic generated by the Victoria
Plan will not somehow adversely affect Etiwanda Avenue. He also asked
about the division of Etiwanda Avenue and the arbitrary line that is
the boundary of Etiwanda.
Commissioner Sceranka replied that when he is looking at this he is
looking at not just how the Victoria project will affect the Etiwanda
area but the whole region. He stated that not only must it be looked
at as to how it will change Etiwanda Avenue, but the overall character
of Etiwanda and Rancho Cucamonga itself.
Mr. Jim Banks, 13181Etiwanda Avenue, Etiwanda, asked what changes are
proposed for Victoria street. He felt that what is being proposed in the
Victoria project will have a significant impact on Victoria Street and
Etiwanda Avenue as it presently exists as it is the only east/west street
between Highland and Base Line. He asked that Victoria Street not be
placed in the Victoria plan but to put more streets north and south to
take the increased traffic.
Mr. Hubbs replied that when you talk about who will use the streets, you
must speak in terms of analyzing the streets. He felt that people would
use Victoria or Day Creek Blvd. if they were going to the regional shopping
center. If they were going to Fontana they would use Victoria to get to
Highland if they lived close in. Mr. Hubbs stated that just because the
street is there is not to imply that there would be a large concentration
of people on it.
Mr. Banks stated that a school will soon be located there and that the
street is sparsely traveled now and felt that there would be more impact
on Victoria Street than any other in the proposal on a proportional basis.
Mrs. Nancy Swaithes, 13067 Etiwanda Avenue, pointing to a map that was
exhibited, asked why a street could not be dropped down the middle to
alleviate traffic in that area. She asked if Foothill Blvd. would be
widened with the development of the regional center.
Mr. Hubbs stated that it would.
Mrs. Swaithes then asked if Base Line will also be widened.
Mr. Nubbs explained that Base Line will be widened all the way through
the City as development occurs.
Barry Hogan stated that he wished to clear up any misconceptions relative
to street improvements and stated that we do not go into an unimproved
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area and put full improvements in. Base Line will be improved as
development occurs. Mr. Hogan also stated that Federal funds and
County funds are used in some instances to supplement the development
costs.
Mrs. Swaithes asked who would pay for the streets in the Victoria plan.
Mr. Hubbs replied that the developer will.
Mrs. Swaithes asked if Base Line belonged to the City or the County.
Mr. Hubbs replied that it belongs to the City.
She then asked what happens if people don't want their street widened
such as Hermosa Avenue.
Mr. Hubbs replied that the City has the power of eminent domain; i.e.
to condemn property, and widen the street if there is only a small portion
of the road that remains to be improved. Mr. Hubbs also explained the
kind of funds that are available to pay for such improvements.
Mr. John Scherb, 10349 Petter Street, Cucamonga, representing the Buddhist
Temple asked for clarification of the street loop design. His concern was
that regional-related traffic will impact the area of the Temple.
Mr. Hubbs explained the Victoria Parkway concept stating that it will exist
in that configuration to be used by people living in the area and not for
regional-related traffic. Further, that the collector loops would require
more study.
Mr. Scherb also asked what the City's position is on a proposed off-ramp
at the Miller-Church streets to siphon traffic off to Etiwanda Avenue.
Mr. Hubbs replied that these areas are under study at the present time
and they are very complex because the City does not have full control
over the design of the off ramps as these fall under the jurisdiction of
CALTRANS and other agencies. This was done as a means of protecting
Etiwanda Avenue and if the Planning Commission develops this as a policy
it could be a mitigating measure in protecting Etiwanda Avenue.
Mr. Scherb commended the Commission on the attitude that has been displayed
through the various hearings on the Victoria Plan in wanting to preserve
the character and natural beauty of Etiwanda Avenue. He felt that
Etiwanda Avenue particularly is a natural resource and warned about subtle
pressures that might be at work to change its appearance and land uses.
He hoped that the Commission was cognizant of those pressures and would
do everything that they could to preserve Etiwanda Avenue.
Mr. Ronny Tannenbaum, 6681 Etiwanda Avenue, stated that he wished to
reinforce what others have been saying about the character and beauty
of the area. He felt that traffic should not increase so drastically
that it would change Etiwanda Avenue, further that the CAC had also
indicated that this street and area was what they wished to preserve.
Mr. Tannenbaum asked if Victoria could be eliminated so that it would not
congest Etiwanda Avenue.
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Mr. Tannenbaum thought that the Victoria Parkway is important to the
overall concept of the Victoria Plan and cautioned the Commission to
note that it is a road in a park and that should traffic increase
significantly by the regional center generation, it would be difficult
to maintain the character. He felt that it is important that the cir-
culation approach be kept below a "D" level and wanted the Planning Com-
mission to find ways of not dumping cars on the roadway.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that the Planning Commission wants to protect
Etiwanda Avenue inasmuch as possible. He also stated that they must look
to the benefits. Further, that access points for people to get into Eti-
wanda as well as for people to get to Victoria is necessary.
Mr. Tannenbaum stated that what Mr. Sceranka said has validity but he
felt that more problems will be created by Victoria on Etiwanda than
Etiwanda on Victoria.
Barry Hogan stated that there were several options available that the
Planning Commission might take in making Victoria less accessible to
other than local traffic. He asked that desires and directions be given
by the citizens and they would see if it is possible to work them out.
He stated that the area near Victoria Parkway might be cul-de-saced, for
example, as a means of curtailing traffic.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked when the Planning Commission would start to
say things relative to the Victoria Plan that they feel is important.
Mr. Hogan replied that the Commission has made some statements on land use
and has given an indication for areas of concern that will come back to the
Commission.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he would hate to see Etiwanda build a wall
around it. He further stated that he would like Etiwanda to stay pretty
much the way it is now but that it would be unfortunate for Etiwandans
not to be able to take advantage of things that are outside of Etiwanda
and also unfortunate if Etiwandans did not let anyone in.
Mr. Tannenbaum stated that there should be some concentration on circula-
tion besides the automobile. He wished for other means to be used in
getting around on Etiwanda Avenue.
Commissioner Tolstoy replied that he thought that if that is the Commission's
philosophy, they can design the street so that will occur.
Councilmember Frost asked Mr. Hubbs what densities there would be on the
north side of the City. Additionally, in commenting on the proposed high
school, Mr. Frost indicated that it would probably become impacted shortly
after it opens but when the boundaries change because of Victoria, the
majority of students will go to another high school closer to their
community.
Mr. Hubbs in replying to Mr. Frost stated that they are assuming the
General Plan densities within the City and virtually nothing above the
City boundaries.
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Mr. Nell Wesseltorn pointed out what he thought to be some alternate
methods of traffic circulation around Etiwanda Avenue. Mr. Wesseltorn
indicated that he taught at the Etiwanda Intermediate School and was
concerned with traffic going past that structure.
There was some' brief discussion regarding this and then public hearing
was closed.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked Mr. Frye how the Victoria Parkway will have
one lane for traffic and another lane for emergency traffic.
Mr. Frye replied that there will be one lane that is asphalt and another
that will have some alternative rather than asphalt.
Comn~issioner Tolstoy stated that something is needed in the text relative
to this but that he did not need a specific answer on it right now. Com-
missioner Tolstoy also stated that Victoria Street needs some special treat-
ment and that he did not want to see the street lose its special features.
Motion: Moved by Sceranka, seconded by Tolstoy, carried unanimously, to
extend beyond the ll:O0 p.m. adjournment time.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he wanted to take a stand on what is
trying to be done on the Victoria Project. He stated that they are trying
to do some of the things that the people of Etiwanda wanted them to do.
We wanted to preserve parts of Etiwanda and Etiwanda Avenue needs to be
preserved. He further stated that if the Planning Coinmission takes this
stand now it will put a lot of people to rest about what is intended and
also put a lot of the Commissioners at rest about what they intend for
the area. Commissioner Tolstoy pointed to the map in indicating what
streets he felt should be closed in order to preserve the character of
Etiwanda Avenue. He also asked that Victoria Street not be closed.
Commissioner Tolstoy also stated that Base Line will have to be given
a great deal of thought as this is the only street that might violate
Victoria.
Mr. Hogan asked Commissioner Tolstoy for clarification on the preserva-
tion of Etiwanda Avenue and if he meant preserving the existing curbs and
rocks, trees, etc., and not the traffic counts that are there now to remain
that way after the Victoria project is completed and whether that meant no
more development on Etiwanda Avenue.
Commissioner Tolstoy indicated that his concern was with preserving the
character in retaining the curbs, etc., and that the Commission must tell
staff what it is they wish to preserve so that they will know what to do.
Further, that the character on Etiwanda is well known and if development
occurs on Etiwanda Avenue it should be in keeping with this character.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that this will more than likely increase traffic
on Etiwanda Avenue but it will be held to a livable level. He stated that
the people who live in Etiwanda must know that it is not now fully developed
and that some day it will be developed.
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There was a concensus'among the Commission that although traffic will
be increased on Etiwanda Avenue it must be kept within reasonable limits
and that the character of the street must be retained.
Commissioner King spoke of the issue of circulation stating that he
still has concerns about the traffic volume and circulation in the
area of the regional center. He stated that his primary concern relates
to Etiwanda Avenue south of Base Line. Regardless of the study and
statistics, he felt it difficult to believe that Etiwanda Avenue that pre-
sently has a volume of 2000 cars a day, will after the regional center and
according to the General Plan, jump to lO-15,000 cars a day. He further
stated that this doesn't fit together. He stated that this would not be
preserving Etiwanda Avenue and he did not want to play a game and go ahead
and approve the circulation plan as it exists and find Etiwanda Avenue south
of Base Line has cars bumper-to-bumper with no place to go. Mr. King stated
that if we want the regional center to go ahead we must state that Etiwanda
Avenue must be resolved and determine the character we want Etiwanda Avenue
to have. He did not want it said that the Planning Commission's study did
not work out and that we now have this problem. He felt that there will be
more cars than what is projected in the study and did not want Etiwanda
destroyed because the Planning Commission recommended it.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that this is one of the things that will
have to be watched to be sure that that does not happen.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that he felt it absolutely necessary that
the people of Etiwanda be able to look at their community and say that
this is the way that they want to keep it. He further stated that he
was not comfortable with the statements made by staff and the developer
about Etiwanda retaining its rural character. He indicated that he was
mystified in how Etiwanda Avenue could keep its character and still maintain
the traffic flows and that he did not wish to "screw up" Etiwanda Avenue
until the Commission has time to evaluate their position. He further
stated that he did not wish to see bumper to bumper traffic on Etiwanda
Avenue.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that he felt it inappropriate to close Victoria
Street. He felt that traffic counts must be looked at and especially the
high school student population. He further indicated that he would like
the loop concept retained for Victoria Parkway and that he would like to
see it a rural road.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that on regional related south of the Buddhist
Temple, he disagreed with Commissioner Tolstoy only in that he felt that
there could be access out of Etiwanda and still maintain Etiwanda with
offices or A-P in that area. He felt that this could be looked at.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that he did not understand the village center
being on the exterior of the development rather than the interior.
Gary Frye explained why it is planned the way it is and Commissioner Sceranka
indicated that Mr. Frye was probably right.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that he endorsed the staff recommendation
on this.
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Commissioner Rempel indicated that the total concept of circulation
he felt to be good but that he does have a problem with the loops.
He felt that Victoria Parkway will be overburdened particularly in
the vineyards area. He agreed with what had been stated about keeping
traffic on Etiwanda Avenue to a minimum to preserve the street's character
and felt that there are ways to mitigate traffic here. He stated that he
appreciated the thought that was going into the trail and bike systems
throughout the parkway. He indicated that there is nothing like this in
Rancho Cucamonga and it should be encouraged.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he would like to see a good horse trail
on one side of the Victoria Parkway and a good hiking trail on the other.
Commissioner Rempel stated that we need to pick up on this in Tetra
Vista so that the trail to the west end will be continued.
Chairman Dahl stated that he felt that Etiwanda Avenue should be preserved.
He felt that the traffic model needs to be examined carefully because the
model does not always show what the real traffic is. He indicated that he
felt that one area where there will be a problem is Base Line and Etiwanda
and it needs to be treated in a different way because Base Line is a major
thoroughfare. He felt that it should remain residential. Chairman Dahl
indicated that he would like to see no egress and ingress in regional
related offices and commercial on Etiwanda Avenue. He felt that treat-
ment of Highland Avenue is very important to the rural character. He
would like to see the entire Highland corridor have the lowest "B" land
uses in order to retain the rural character of the area. He stated that
he will be paying particular attention to the treatment that is given to
Rochester Avenue. Chairman Dahl stated that it is very important that the
trail systems be continued in a smooth flowing manner through to Terra
Vista so that it will not appear that you are going from one world into
another. He felt that this will take a great deal of cooperation between
the Lyon Company and the Lewis Company.
Chairman Dahl stated that he is particularly concerned about Base Line
Avenue and Etiwanda Avenue and this would take a special treatment.
Cmnmissioner King indicated that he would like to see the streets in this
community designed to a "C" level rather than a "D" level so that what happens
here is not another Mountain Avenue near the freeway in Upland.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked if these points made by the Commission should
be made in the form of a motion.
Mr. Hogan replied that if the Commission concurs with the October 9
memo with the addition of Condition No. 8 in retaining the character
of Etiwanda Avenue that this could be in the form of a motion indicating
the Commission's position.
Mr. Frye asked for clarification on some of the conditions contained in
the October 9 memo. This was answered by Mr. Hogan. Mr. Frye then
asked if the conditions contained in this later memo superseded any con-
ditions that might previously have been mentioned and whether questions
relating to precise items might be answered at the tentative tract
level. Mr. Hogan replied affirmatively.
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Motion: Moved by Tolstoy, seconded by Rempel, that the conditions
as listed in the October g memo with the addition of another condition
to retain the character of Etiwanda Avenue be adopted as the Planning
Commission's position relative to the Victoria Project at this point
in time.
Commissioner King voted no on this motion stating that it was not appro-
priate at this time.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion: Moved by Rempel, seconded by Tolstoy, carried unanimously to
adjourn.
11:20 p.m. - The Planning Commission adjourned.
Jack' Lam, Planning Secretary
CITY OF RANCHO CUCA~IONGA
PLANNING CO~IMISSION ~EETING
November lO, 1980
Adjourned Regular Meeting
CALL TO ORDER
The adjourned regular meeting of the Planning Commission of the City of
Rancho Cucamonga, was held in the Lion's Park Community Center, 9161 Base
Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, on lionday, November lO, 1980.
Meeting was called to order at 7:13 p.m. by Chairman Dahl, who led in the
pledge of allegiance.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT:
COMMISSIONERS: Jeffery King, Herman Rempel, Peter Tolstoy,
Richard Dahl
ABSENT:
COM~ISSIONERS: Jeff Sceranka
STAFF PRESENT:
Barry K. Hogan, City Planner; Edward A.
Tim J. Beedle, Senior Planner; Joan A.
Holley, Director of Community Services.
Hopson, City Attorney;
Kruse, Secretary; Bill
After a briefing by Chairman Dahl on the procedure to be used in addressing the
Planning Commission relative to this hearing, Mr. Barry Hogan, City Planner pre-
sented an overview of the Victoria Project as a guide in establishing those items
that were covered and those which remain. He indicated that land use, the re-
gional center with the possibility of a focused EIR, and special conditions plus
the issue of traffic and circulation had been presented to the Commission. The
need for schools within the Victoria Planned Community had also been discussed
as well as residential with the provision that the Victoria Project shall contain
a ratio of approximately 15% in affordable dwelling units.
Nr. Hogan related that reports had been prepared by Mr. Bill Holley, Community
Services Director, relative to recreation and open space requirements and by ~!r.
Lloyd Hubbs, on the circulation plan. He further stated that in a memorandum of
October 9, 1980, seven conditions had been suggested to the Commission dealing
with circulation with one additional condition added at the meeting. Mr. Hogan
stated that it was important that these conditions be consistent with the General
Plan and reviewed them for the Commission. Conditions for the parks and open
spaces were also contained in the October 9 memorandum.
rtr. Hogan ~tated that Parks and Open Spaces would be discussed by )lr. Holley
after the question and answer period at tonight's meeting.
Mr. Hogan stated that the applicant must bring back to the Commission further
information on the buffering to be used along Base Line especially near Etiwanda
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Avenue. The regional-related uses must be further detailed in the area of
the Buddhist Temple to prevent destroying the aesthetics of that area.
Additionally, a landscape buffer would be required around the Temple and
the regional-related uses proposed and there shall be phasing of the region-
al-related uses north of Foothill; that B land uses should be reserved so
that 25% of the lots in the Victoria Project will accommodate pools. Chair-
man Dahl stated that the B land uses to accomodate pool size lots had already
been acted upon by the Commission, and that there was one more item that had
been discussed but not acted upon by the Commission and that was the treat-
ment of Highland Avenue from Day Creek to Etiwanda Avenue to retail its
rural character.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he thought there was an additional item
that had not been addressed and that was that regional-related should be
developed from major centers outward and not piecemeal.
Barry Hogan stated that it had been covered but that the purpose of this
meeting was to direct staff to prepare the issues that the Commission would
act upon.
Chairman Dahl stated that the Planning Commission would go on to the Parks
and Open Space portion of the Victoria Plan and that Mr. Bill Holley would
make the presentation.
Mr. Holley stated that he would be reiterating some of the points that had
been made previously, the technical aspects of the plan, and to discuss
some of the options and alternatives regarding the plan itself and the open
space portions as well as to answer any questions or to have general dis-
cussion relative to the parks and open space.
Mr. Holley stated that in examining the plan from a technical aspect they
looked at the requirements of the ratio of recreational area .to the total
population and Ordinance No. 105 which has a formula for the amount of
recreation land to population. He stated that the plan, which contains a
number of lakes and a linear park, satisfies at least 96% of the require-
ments of the Ordinance. He stated further that the recreation center is
not recommended for credit under the Ordinance as it does not meet the pro-
visions, in that it would be operated through the use of fees and monthly
dues and therefore not available to all of the residents.
Mr. Holley stated that relative to the use of schools for recreation pur-
poses, there appears to be very good use of the land and this is a good
idea, one that is presently followed for recreational purposes in the
joint use of the lands. He stated that it is very important in this plan
particularly that an agreement be worked out between the schools and the
City for joint sharing of facilities and maintenance thereof.
Mr. Holley stated that the trails system that is described in the project
appears to be a good concept. Further, that it would probably be a good
idea to have a separate study on the feasibility of the lakes shown in
the project relative to its availability and its continuing availability.
He stated that there are three recommendations he wished to make relative
to the project and that they were: a separate feasibility
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study for the lakes; an-agreement between the school districts and the City
relative to the maintenance and use of the schools in the recreational pro-
grams and the maintenence of all public open space by Assessment Districts
as outlined in the plan; and that the 4.47 acre deficit of parklands must
be added to the plan.
Of primary concern, Mr. Holley stated is the use of the lakes in the plan
as recreational areas. The determination must be made as to whether this
amenity could be justified as being part of the parks and open spaces.
He indicated that the lakes are of aesthetic value, but do not provide for
as much activity recreation as green space could. He added that there is
a great deal of value in people being able to enjoy walking or running
around the lake. An area that provides visual relief would have importance
in recreation. He stated that this would be a policy decision of the Plan-
ning Commission and City Council but that it definitely has importance in
the plan. While the Plan proposes the lakes for recreational purposes, tit.
Holley contended that they would be of a more passive nature and that a
value judgement would have to be made as to whether it is more important
to have lakes than a green area.
Commissioner Rempel asked what the primary use of the Guasti Regional Park
is when you consider lakes.
/Jr. Holley replied that the primary purpose of the Regional Park is for
fishing and boating.
Commissioner Rempel stated that the lakes would be of great importance to
the people living within the Victoria Community and that jogging or walking
is an added feature that you cannot get in any other way and stated that
he thought it would be an asset.
Commissioner King asked that in considering lakes to be passive recreation,
if fir. Holley thought there is a proper percentage in active versus passive
open space to active open space in the Plan.
Mr. Holley replied that he felt that an appropriate balance can be achieved
but that balance must be one in which the Commission feels comfortable with.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that whether the plan considers active or pas-
sive recreation is left to the individual because the interpretation is
strictly a personal one.
Commissioner Dahl stated that the Plan does not address whether the boating
club in the Victoria recreation center will be open to the public.
Mr. Holley explained that the lakes are at three different levels and that
therefore you would not boat the entire length of it.
Commissioner King stated that in terms of having boating as a recreational
activity, the lakes could not be used entirely for that purpose.
Mr. Holley stated that the applicant could probably better answer that
question.
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Mr. Frye stated that the SWA Group would make a brief presentation on the
Plan which would probably answer the questions that the Commission has
regarding the lakes and recreation.
Mr. Bob Jacobs of the SWA Group explained that the concept would be utilized
by the whole City and was not isolated to the Victoria Community only. He
stated that the whole concept of social organization has been considered so
that interaction would take place through the recreational area that is
being provided. He explained the school, park, concept and its use of
those areas were there would be most children.
He indicated that the concept is not a static one but that it starts at your
house and is tied in to the trails and a whole system of recreation where
opportunities would exist for the adult and/or child to have recreation. He
stated that the concept of Victoria Parkway is not just to have a lot of
open space. This, he stated, is the opportunity for those areas within the
City of Rancho Cucamonga that may have missed certain recreational concepts
to provide this to the residents with a range of choices. Further, that
this park concept would provide activities for all ages and provide balance.
He indicated that the linear park, the lakes and the trail system would
connect all the activities into an interrelated and functional system with
appeal to all who would live in the area with an eventual tie in to Terra
Vista and other areas.
Chairman Dahl asked if the center lake in area D of the Plan is all one
lake.
Mr. Gary Frye of the Wm. Lyon Co., replied that it was and would contain a
recreation club and boats.
~tr. Dahl asked if this would be a private facility.
Mr. Frye replied that it would be a membership facility but that the lake
in the regional center would be open to the public and that they would con-
sider these to be active lakes. The central lake is seen more as a visual
amenity to tie in with the other lakes aesthetically.
Chairman Dahl asked what the overall acreage of the recreation land in the
plan devoted to lakes.
Mr. Frye replied that it is approximately 40 acres and that the bottom lake
would be between 10-12 acres plus the lake edge so it would be about 15
acres total.
There was further discussion relative to the windrow lakes and whether the
lakes should be counted as recreation land for purposes of meeting the City
Ordinance requirements.
8:10 p.m. The Planning Commission adjourned
8:25 p.m. The Planning Commission reconvened
Commissioner King asked Mr. Frye if the ratio of park within the plan is
appropriate in light of the densities that will exist in the Victoria Plan
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and the fact that some of the lots will be small. He wanted to know if
the parks will be adequate for the proposed population.
Mr. Frye replied that there was more than just one answer to that question.
He advised that the density of Victoria is higher so that in a given area
there will be more parks than elsewhere. He stated that the yards in the
A & B areas 'are of a normal space and would provide open space. He stated
that the townhouses have rear yards which will also serve this purposes and
asked that the Planning Commission keep in mind that park adequacy is a
function of population.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that when you are talking about C land uses
and zero lot lines, he thought that it had previously been mentioned that
each of those houses would have a private area on the outside.
Mr. Frye stated that was correct.
Mr. Tolstoy then stated that if he chose to live in a zero lot line house he
would still have some semi-private use and that is a function of who wants
to live where and how much open spaces they will get.
Commissioner King asked aside from the ratio required by the City if ~tr.
Frye had any idea in terms of planning what is "by experts" the proper
amount of open space as it relates to a given number of individuals.
Mr. Frye stated that perhaps someone from the SWA Group might be able to
respond better but that what you are really getting to is in a project such
as this is 5 acre per really right. He felt that the 5 acre per is a reason-
able figure and relative to requirements of many cities that is really not a
low figure but a relatively high standard for the City and that they come in
at 4-8.
Mr. Hogan stated that in adopting Ordinance No. 105, the City Council went
to the National Standards in establishing the ratio of 5 acre per for open
space in the City. He further stated that this is an adequate and proper
standard and in the context of what other cities in Southern California
require, is probably on the higher side. Mr. Frye stated that aside from
meeting the required standards of the City, philosophically, in designing
the Victoria project they saw the same amount of space required as staff
did. He stated further that in addition to the open space, there is the
Edison corridor and Flood Control channel right-of-way that will provide
an additional 260-290 acres over and above what is being provided in the
plan and this was a substantial amount over the 5 acre per figure.
Chairman Dahl stated that he did not like to confuse parks and open space
with recreation, and that there may be some problems with the Edison corridor
being maintained. He stated that he did not know who will be maintaining
the corridor and asked if that is a part of the equestrian trail.
Mr. Hogan replied that the trail follows part of Day Creek but not Edison
corridor.
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Gary Frye stated that with the Day Creek corridor you can have a number of
things that Edison may not be amenable to.
There was considerable discussion on possible uses of these corridors for
things other then equestrian trails such as soccer fields and garden areas.
Discussion then focused on the apparent deficit of parkland proposed in
the Victoria Plan when measured against the City's Ordinance. The Victoria
Plan proposes 4.47 acres of parkland rather than the 5 acre per of the
Ordinance.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he was sure that if the Planning Commission
asked Mr. Frye for additional parkland that the Lyon Company would agree to
that.
Gary Frye stated that he would find it a little difficult to answer that.
He further reminded the Commission that there are 290 acres of open space
in addition to the 5 acres per 1,O00 and that they acknowledge that they are
5 acres short. However, they are not getting any credit for the 10 acre
recreation center and that this should be looked at plus the lakes in the
regional center. He asked that these be looked at as these are facilities
that the residents of the Victoria project will use. He further stated
that they are not asking for credit for the lakes in the regional center
but perhaps this is something that deserves consideration. He added that
a benefit of the plan is that they take advantage of the schools for City
use and to say that they are 5 acres light ignores the value of the recre-
ation center and with the 290 additional acres brings the total park and
open space land to a ratio of almost 13 acres per 1,O00.
Batty Hogan stated that there was an issue more important and that is the
Planning Commission is desirious of counting the lakes as 100% credit or
less; he wants to focus on whether this is acceptable. If they are not
acceptable in the park count than all this discussion is moot. He further
stated that 5 acres can readily be picked up around the lake or in other
areas and that if the Planning Commission requests the developer to add it
he will have to add it.
Mr. Hogan asked the Commission if they accept the lakes, if they would want
the concessions on the lake to be a part of the City or if they should be
leased to someone else.
Commissioner Rempel stated that if the lakes are to be dedicated to the
City as part of the parkland, then the concession on the lakes are definitely
a part of the City. He thought it would be the City's responsibility to ad-
ministre the concessions. He felt that the lakes would be a valuable asset
to the City.
Mr. Hogan brought up the practice of renting the concessions so that the City
would benefit from a percentage of sales.
Mr. Rempel thought that perhaps this is the way that it should be handled
and that the City would not want to get into the practice of renting boats,
etc.
Commissioner King stated that it was his feeli~mg that if full credit is
given to the lakes, there must be more open space than tl~at is shown in
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the plan. He further felt that not as much emphasis should be put on
the lakes as they are not full recreation lakes in the sense that they
are usable for active recreational purposes.
There was further discussion on the lakes and their value as recreational
use.
Chairman Dahl opened the public hearing portion.
Mr. Forrest Greenhalgh, 9351 Shannon, Garden Grove, stated that he owned
lO acres of land across from the Flood Control channel on Rochester and he
questioned the amount of his property that will be taken up with schools,
park and churches. He stated that he purchased the property some 15 years
ago as an investment and he wants to develop it. He felt that his property
would be good for high density development and asked if the zoning could
be changed to accomodate his wishes.
fir. Hogan stated that for clarification, fir. Greenhalgh has not currenlty
joined with other property owners in the Victoria Plan. He explained that
if the Victoria Plan is approved it would exclude fir. Greenhalgh's property;
the density on his property would be that of the General Plan.
eir. Neil Uesselotorn, 6613 Pear, Etiwanda, stated that if he were grading
the plan he would give it an A, but a D for density. He asked how the
sharing of school facilities would be accomplished without working out an
agreement with the schools for use of recreational facilities during the
after school hours. rlr. Hogan replied that the use of schools is an integral
part of the recreational plan for the Victoria Community, and that in the
past, the school districts have been very willing to work with the City in
sharing facilities.
tlr. Uesselotorn asked how the situation is handled if the school is not in-
clined to locate in the areas shown within the Plan and if the schools are
not open to the public. tlr. Uesselotorn was speaking specifically of the
Summit Park.
Mr. Holley stated that the reason that that Park had not been used even
though it is adjacent to a school is because it is isolated and has very
little through traffic and has a patrol problem. He stated that you can
point to that and say that it doesn't work well but he knows that joint use
is very workable and does well in other cities.
~lr. Wesselotorn stated that you can't stipulate to the school districts that
they will have such a plan if they don't want it or if they haven't the land
to put the school where it is shown by the developer.
Mr. Hogan replied that school districts do have a choice of where they locate
schools in that they have the power of eminent domain.
rlr. Wesselotorn also asked if the lakes proposed in the middle section of the
development would be closed to the public.
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Mr. Frye replied to fir..Wesselotorn that he has been meeting with Carl
Lightfoot, Superintendent of the Etiwanda School District, and so far he
is satisfied and they will proceed to meet with the school architect and
members of the Board. He further stated that they are not planning some-
thing that nobody wants. Further, they are not saying that joint use
makes the plan. The park figure does not include school area. All they
are saying, ~lr. Frye stated, is that joint use is something that the City
and School District should look into because it makes sense.
Discussion ensued on whether full credit should be given to the lakes in
the plan for recreation.
Mr. Wesselotorn stated that he likes the idea of lakes but just wanted to
make sure that they are pratical. He also stated that it was his under-
standing that the Edison Company would serefly limit the use of the corridor.
He stated further that he did not know how that jibes, but thinks it should
be studied further. He also requested that a study be done on the possible
exposure to radiation that might result from using the corridor due to the
high tension power lines.
firs. ~iarsha Banks, Eitiwanda resident stated that she was disappointed in
the attitude that the City was taking in providing recreation space. She
stated that the cheapest way is being explored rather that the best.
Further, that high densities are being proposed in this area with 7200 sq.
ft. lots and this would be detrimental to the area. She indicated that
she would like some active space for recreation. She also indicated that
with regard to ~e 5 acres per 1,O00 minimum based on the national average,
MacArthur Park in the middle of Los Angeles and Golden Gate Park in San
Francisco and the linear park in Scottsdale, Arizona, do not compare to
the property in Rancho Cucamonga. She stated that Scottsdale has many
large lots within the community and the people there do not need the active
space that is needed here. She stated that Etiwanda is a rural community
and that there was a commitment by the City Council and the Planning Com-
mission to retain it as a rural community. She further stated that the
only concession to rural atmosphere in this plan is the trail system and
that was not enough.
Mr. Holley replied that the 5 acres per 1,O00 is not an average it is an
Ordinance requirement. Further, there are only a minimum of communities
in this area that adhere to this standard. ~ir. Holley also explained that
currently, in Scottsdale, condominiums immediately surround the park and
recreation areas and that they have a very active youth program.
firs. Banks asked if the area is rural and if it meets the national standard.
Mr. Holley stated that the national standard was developed to meet the
needs of the people. The formula is to multiply the number of acres per
feet of development and deals with people to meet their needs and provide
certain standards for open space.
Ted Hopson, City Attorney, stated that as long as "rural" is subjective,
you will not get anywhere in discussions of this type.
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Mrs. Banks asked what about the comments to preserve the rural character
and atmosphere.
Mr. Hogan stated that we can ask many people and get varying answers. When
you look at Etiwanda there are more 7,200 sq. ft. lots than there are one-
half acre lots. That resulted from a study done just counting the developed
lots. Further, it has not been seen in the entire process of the General
Plan or the Victoria Plan just where Etiwanda is in this regard. Also, that
it is difficult to say just where Etiwanda is as a community itself because
no one has defined just what its borders are.
Commissioner Rempel commented on the term rural stating that for some peo-
ple, trying to define rural is to say we want to keep the orange groves
without paying for them. He stated that he was able to call his place rural
because he has 3½ acres of avocados surrounding his property, but that all
around him that is no longer true. As the population increases in the County,
there are some aspects of rural that would be well to keep. He indicated
that the Flood Control areas and the Edison corridor would be good to keep
rural. The windrows are another area. He felt that the only way to keep
rural is to talk to the people who pay the taxes on the land to try to keep
the land open.
Mrs. Banks stated that if we will be talking to people who own land and the
Edison Company, etc., that we should also be talking to the ~m. Lyon Company.
Chairman Dahl stated that when you pick up density you ten~ to loose some
rural character; we must be careful in our considerations. He stated that
he is not an advocate of high density but realized that sometimes we have no
choice. Further, that some things are mandated by the State and therefore
must be done by the City as a result. One way for the City to meet these
mandated conditions is to have higher densities to get the balance necessary
but that they would strive to see that Etiwanda would maintain its rural
character. They would try to keep it rural by having a lot of trees and
green areas and creating an illusion of open space. He stated that this
will not happen on Foothill because of the commercial. He stated that in-
creased densities will come to the Etiwanda and Alta Loma areas but that
they would make sure that it is the best for the community.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he wanted Firs. Banks to give the Commission
her idea of what rural is.
Mrs. Banks stated that to her, rural is larger home lots than what have
been provided for in this plan, lower densities then those that have been
provided for in this plan, and more open space then what is provided in
this plan.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked how you provide for more open space.
Mrs. Banks stated that she would eliminate some of the development that is
planned for housing. She stated that while she agrees that higher density
will come, she thought that there could be some clustering with open areas
and still accomplish affordable housing and higher densities.
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Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he hoped that Mrs. Banks would come to the
General Plan meetings when we talk about PUD's and clustering in housing.
He further stated that the problem is that most people don't want that.
Mrs. Banks stated that what is happening here is a complete demarkation
of one community from another and she felt that there should be some flow
that would not alter older Etiwanda by the development of Victoria.
9:55 p.m. The Planning Commission recessed
10:12 p.m. The Planning Commission reconvened
Mr. Chitiea discussed open spaces and the use of the Flood Control and
Edison corridors. He felt that these should be given some credit in the
open space area. Mr. Chitlea also indicated that some studies have been
done in the Soviet Union on radiation that results from high tension lines.
He further felt that use of the utility corridors for a trail system could
not legitimately be considered for recreational purposes as part of the
planned development.
Chairman Dahl stated that the Commission is not initiating use of the cor-
ridors as part of the recreation plan in the Victoria project because it is
unknown as to whether this would be a viable use or not. Further, that per-
haps they may be able to be used providing they don't create problems; how-
ever, discussion for trail use was with the Flood Control corridors and not
the utility corridors.
Mr. Chitiea stated that he only wished to make that clear.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that this is not included in the parks.
Commissioner Rempel stated that these are not a specific area that the
public could use.
Mr. Ronny Tannenbaum, Etiwanda resident, read a portion of the propn~ed
General Plan relating to public facilities and stated that it was possible
that in adopting the new General Plan, the Ordinance adopted by the City
relative to parks could change. He did not feel that it was appropriate
at this time to get into discussions on whether additional acreage is neces-
sary for the Victoria Plan. He indicated that while on the CAC, he had been
lead to believe that an advantage of a planned community was in the ability
to gain open space land. He felt that if this was the case, the City was
missing one of the main benefits of planned communities versus other develop-
ment in gaining open space land. He was also concerned with the hierarchy
of parks as outlined in the General Plan because he did not see it in the
Victoria Plan and not as Sedway/Cooke or the people who worked on the General
Plan proposed.
fir. Jim Banks, Etiwanda resident, asked why higher density is legally mandated.
Also, his understanding is that parks and open space is a mutiple of the
residents within a community and their formula is based on optimum yield.
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Barry Hogan replied that if and when the Planning Commission approves this
plan they will have to set a maximum amount of dwellings that the developer
cannot exceed. Further that the developer must also determine what the
optimum yield is in order to make money on the development. He stated that
what will be looked at in making the recommendation is that it is reasonable
within the General Plan. If the developer exceeds what has been determined,
then he will be asked to reduce the number of units. The number of dwellings
that the Planning Commission sets will be a number which cannot be exceeded.
Mr. Banks asked if that also applies to the bonuses for affordable housing
in that in the text of the General Plan it stated that they may receive a
bonus that would allow them to double the density.
Mr. Hogan replied that he did not know at this time.
Mr. Hogan stated that these sections setting out the legal mandates would be
available at the November 17 meeting.
Mr. Hogan explained the provisions in the law that mandates a Housing Element
and the guidelines necessary.
There was further discussion on the guidelines set forth by the State in
meeting housing needs within a community.
The public portion of the meeting was closed and Chairman Dahl asked if
there were further comments from the Commission.
Commissioner Dahl stated that if the City were to accept the formula of 5
acres per 1,O00 people, then he did net feel that the lakes should be given
any credit. He stated that he likes the lakes and thinks they are nice but
they do not provide for recreation area. He stated that what is needed in
the Victoria Plan is usable open space.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he felt that some of the lake area should
be credited to park space because is is a certain type of park space.
Further. that the lake is also part of a park and it helps to make it a
more desirable park. He stated that he has always felt that in order to
get the lakes you should give something for it. With the three lakes that
are included he does not see why they cannot be given credit. He is willing
to insist that the three lakes be given part credit.
Mr. Hogan clarified, that the lakes be given some credit, but not 100%.
Commissioner King asked if this had to be dealt with at this time.
Mr. Hogan replied that Ordinance 105 established a credit clause and this
will have to be answered in order to provide guidance to the City Council.
He further stated that what is really being talked about is in E, F, and
RR areas, the question of whether to give 100% credit to the lakes. If it
is believed that this is a park use and if it is less and an amenity, to
establish a percentage of credit.
Commissioner Rempel stated that he agreed with Commissioner Tolstoy.
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Commissioner Dahl stated that the lakes should be given some credit but
that he did not know how much. He further stated that he would like to
see more open space and that the rural character will have to be pre-
served. The best way to do that, he said, is to have usable open space.
He felt that the Polka Palace should be given special consideration and
that it could be preserved by putting open space around it. He also
felt that an open space treatment should be given to Etiwanda Blvd. and
that it should be given to the main corridors going east and west. He
further felt that there could be more in the Victoria Vineyards.
Mr. Hogan asked if the Victoria parkways should also be given some credit.
Commissioner Rempel stated that the parkway should be given credit because
the people in the community will use them quite heavily.
Chairman Dahl stated that he agreed with that because the treatment that
they will be given will do more to enhance the rural character than any-
thing else.
Commissioern Tolstoy stated that in his opinion he thinks the linear park,
lakes and trail system should be recreation areas. Further, that Ronny
Tannenbaum talked about pocket parks and he would like to see some of that
incorporated in this concept. The area that the City must be careful of,
he stated, is that of maintenance.
Commissioner King asked that if it is found that this magic quota is not
meeting the requirements, if the Commission has any discretion in requiring
more than is required under the ordinance.
The City Attorney replied that the Planning Commission does not.
Commissioner Rempel stated that most cities use 2 per 1,O00.
Commissioner Dahl stated that the Commission is still at the point where a
determination must be made on what precentage of credit the lakes will
receive. He stated further, that they will have to go with Holley's recom-
mendation and request an additional study of the lakes.
Mr. Hogan stated that this is in a memo dated S~ptember 29 where he made
recommendations. He stated that what has been done is that excerpts from
the the memo have been taken with the addition of a few more. He indicated
that what needs to be done is to request that further study be given and
that the lakes be approved in concept. This will give the applicant an
opportunity to tell how the lakes will be filled and maintained, and what
the City's liability is, etc. The credit issued would then be brought back
to the Planning Commission and it would then be determined how much more
park land is needed.
Hr. Hogan stated that one more condition should be added to schools in the
September 20 memo and if you agree that this be given as a condition to
force the follow up. Mr. Hogan also pointed out that condition 4 stated
that the park area in each village must be given to City in completed
condition prior to construction. He suggested this be changed to 50%
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to open discussion on this and that perhans the Commission would want a
higher or lower percentage but it is something that the Commission should
address.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked if fees would be accepted prior to the parks
being in.
Mr. Hogan Stated that he is not sure how the fee structure will be set up
but that a maintenance district will be set up to pay for the public spaces.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he thought it would be a good idea to go
down the list.
Chairman Dahl stated that this should be done with the stipulation that
this is subject to the final tract maps showing this density.
Barry Hogan concurred with this.
Barry Hogan read the conditions beginning with number one and Commissioner
Tolstoy asked that the calendar of events, or when does it go in, be added
to that condition.
Added to condition No. 2 was that the consultant will work for the City
and be paid by the consultant and changed the words to review, to, to pre-
pare the material ... They used as an example the hiring of Harlen Glenn.
On condition No. 4 it was the consensus of the Commission that the Planning
Commission will review parks.
fir. Hogan also suggested that a sixth condition be added saying that schools
and parks shall be designed as a unit with joint use agreements between the
City and the school district with the consent of the affected school district.
llotion: ~loved by Tolstoy, seconded by Dahl to adopt the list of conditions
as amended.
AYES:
COMMISSIONERS: TOLSTOY, DAHL, RENPEL,
NOES: CO~IMISSIONERS: KING
ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: SCERANKA
Mr. Hogan stated that the Commission should choose the next two items that
they wished to discuss and then the remaining items to be discussed.
Motion: Moved by Dahl, seconded by Tolstoy, carried unanimously, to dis-
cuss infrastructure and design criteria at the next meeting.
The remaining items would be regulations, implementation and the Environ-
mental Impact Report, be stated and that the next meeting on the Victoria
Planned Community will take place on November 24 at the Lion's Park Com-
munity Building.
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Motion: Moved by Tolstoy, seconded by Rempel, carried unanimously, to
adjourn.
ll:20 p.m. The Planning Commission adjourned.
Respected,
JACK LAfl, Secretary
CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
Adjourned Regular Meeting
March 12, 1981
CALL TO ORDER
The Adjourned Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga Planning
Commission, held in the Lion's Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line
Road, Ranthe Cucamonga, was called to order by Chairman Richard Dahl at
7:03 p.m. Chairman Dahl then led in the pledge to the flag.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT:
COMMISSIONERS: Jeffrey King, Herman Rempel, Jeff Sceranka,
Peter Tolstoy, Richard Dahl
ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: NONE
STAFF PRESENT:
Robert Dougherty, Assistant City Attorney; Batty Hogan,
City Planner; Joan Kruse, Administrative Secretary;
Jack Lam, Director of Community Development; Paul Rougenu,
Senior Civil Engineer; MIchael Vairin, Senior Planner
Chairman Dahl stated that he would entertain a motion for an adjournment
time at tonight's meeting.
Motion: Moved by Rempel, seconded by King, cartled unanimously, to
adjourn at 10 p.m.
ANNOUNCEMENTS
Mr. Lam announced that there would be another General Plan hearing by
the City Council on March 16, 1981 at 7 p.m. in this building.
DISCUSSION BY COMMISSION AND DEVELOPER OF LAND USE, CIRCULATION, PARKS AND
OPEN SPACE COMMENTS ON THE VICTORIA PLANNED COMMUNITY.
Batty Hogan, City Planner, presented the staff report stating that at a
previous meeting there had been discussion on Parks and Open Space and
that the staff report discusses and makes recommendations on these
points which were brought up at that meeting regarding credit for the
lakes, Victoria Parkway and the private trails within the development of
the Victoria Planned Community. He indicated that he would like to have
some action on these items at this meeting. Further, that it was his
and Mr. ||olley's opinion that 100% credit should be considered for the
lakes as they have been redesigned. This presentation was being made
tonight.
Mr. Hogan stated that he would like the Commission to take several
actions tonight and would iike to see, after presentation by the appli-
cant and comments by the Commission, the settlement of the land use map.
Further, insofar as the implementation of the land uses, and the text,
he felt that this should be resolved over the next one or two meetings.
Mr. Hogan stated that he would then like the Commission to go on to
Infrastructure and Design Criteria and review the suggested conditions
that are contained within the report.
Chairman Dahl opened the public hearing.
Mr. Gary Frye, 9613 Arrow Highway, Rancho Cucamonga, representing tile
William Lyon Company, expressed his appreciation in meeting with the
Etiwanda residents to resolve certain issues within the plan. He felt
that through the input received over the last few months the plan can be
changed to reflect the tastes and preferences within the community in
addition to those of the development company. Mr. Frye indicated that
there is a significantly lower density and a change of parks from those
belonging to Victoria residents to those of a public park system. He
further stated that increased visibility of the lakes area and distri-
bution of park space within the area would benefit the community and
provide better access to the lakes. He stated that substantial changes
were also made to the circulation within the Planned Community.
Mr. Frye stated the plan was redfawn to conform to the Sedway/Cooke
General Plan and spoke of the reduction in dwelling units in tile Windrow
Village and those within the other villagesof Victoria. Further, the
middle lake was reduced to 10 acres and the top lake was Increased, with
a 5 acre park added. For clarification purposes, fir. Frye stated that
they are calling the original area the plannlng area and will exclude
people in the Rochester Tract from the Planned Community.
Mr. Frye stated that the original plan called for 9850 dwelling units
and this has been reduced to 8865.
Mr. Frye stated that the parks makes use of the schools in a Joint use
so that in all of the school locations recreation can be achieved. Mr.
Frye explained the parks that were added to this plan and how the land
uses have been restructured.
Commissioner Rempel asked if there had been any additional comments on
the lakes as far as fishing uses were concerned.
Mr. Frye replied that they will be offered as public parks and that the
areas are ready for development, the specific design and uses would be
worked out. He stated that they are totally flexible on this.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he liked the concept of the two parks
and asked what kind of connection there would be to them.
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Mr. Frye replied tha~ what they are suggesting is a green belt mini-
linear park at grade crossing.
Mr. Lam requested that Mr. Frye mention that there was also discussion
about the regional related uses from Base Line to Victoria Road in terms
of design and scale.
Mr. Frye stated that there would be low profile offices of the garden
type in this area. This would be to keep Base Line fairly low profile.
Mr. Frye discussed the timing and what would happen as the planned
community is approved through the Commission and the City Council.
Mr. Hogan stated that Mr. Frye mentioned that he would file a tentative
tract on the entire Windrow Village and asked if that was going to lot
out the entire development, portions of the development, or precise
streets to other portions.
Mr. Frye replied that there will be some areas that they will not attempt
to design at this time but they anticipate a tentative for the entire
area so that the trails, parks, etc. can be included in the entire
system. They will then include Victoria Parkway from Base Line north to
Day Creek Boulevard and they would develop around the park and school
site in that area.
Commissioner King asked in what land use areas would affordable housing
in tile $75,000 or under bracket be delivered.
Mr. Frye replied that this was a difficult question to answer because it
was like asking what kind of house he would be able to afford in 10
years. He indicated that the figure would be in the range of the low-
medium and he would anticipate more being available in the medium and
medium high range.
Mr. Neil Westlotorn stated that he would like to lend his support to
this plan and to Mr. Frye because they were willing to sit down with Mr.
Wasserman and Hr. Lam. He indicated that the people of Etiwanda did not
get everything that they wanted but neither did Mr. Frye and the William
Lynn Company. Mr. Westlotorn recommended that future development plans
use the kind of procedures that were used in making this compromise in
taking into consideration the feelings of people in the area, the aspirations
of the developer and City staff. He thanked all parties who helped in
reaching the conclusions that they have.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked Mr. Westlotorn if the statement he made was a
reflection of the feelings of the group or his feelings.
Mr. Westlotorn stated that this was a personal statement but he rather
thought that this is a general statement that would be heard from others.
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Mr. John Vlasic, Etiwanda resident, stated that he wished to echo what
Mr. Westlotorn said and thanked Mr. Wasserman, Mr. Lain and Mr. Frye. He
further stated that he supports what is in the planned community and
agreed that this is not the ideal but is a workable compromise. He also
commented on the process that they went through and hoped that future
developers would continue this approach to create a good working atmos-
pilere. He felt that what had happened was really positive and |loped
that all developers would be as cooperative as Mr. Frye.
Kay Kanokvechayant, 8605 Base Line, asked how Victoria would affect her
property and indicated that she did not wish to be included in this
concept.
Mr. Frye and the Planning Commission told her that she would not be
involved and that her property would be determined by the General Plan
which is before the City Council.
Mr. R. Tannenbaum, Etiwanda resident, stated that without repeating, he
was in substantial agreement with the others who spoke of the positive
approach taken in working out the concerns of Etiwanda residents.
Mr. Glenn Rankin, member of the CAC, stated that he echoed the statements
made and further, that a great many residents will be satisfied with
this development.
Anne Calinsky, Deer Creek resident, congratulated the residents of
ECiwanda for supporting tile Vlctorla Planned Community.
Doug Hone, Rancho Cucamonga, stated that the very fact that tilts hearing
room was not overflowing tonigilt is a testimony of Mr. Frye's and Mr.
DlIorio's abilities as developers and congratulated them and hoped that
tile Planning Commission would approve the plan.
There being no further comments, the public hearing was closed.
Chairman Dahl stated that he appreciated everyone's comments and discussion
of the plan.
Motion: Moved by Sceranka, seconded by King, carried unanimously, to
adopt the land use map with the exception that the lakes under the
Edison corridor be removed.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he did not understand because Mr. Frye
had stated that the lakes were conceputal and that they may not be
there.
Chairman Dahl stated that they were conceptual.
Commissioner Rempel stated that he would like to make a clarification
and proposed an amendment that there Just be a paragraph in the planned
community that the lakes In that area are conceptual and subject to the
final plan when chat area is finally planned.
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Commissioner Tolstoy seconded the amendment.
Mr. Hogan stated that what is being asked is to accept the land use as
it was presented. Whether it will appear in the Edison right-of-way and
will be taken care of as a condition of approval at a later time, does
not make a great deal of difference.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that his intent in removing the lakes was
purely in coincidence with the comments that Mr. Frye made that the
lakes could not be put there. He stated that he endorses the plan, and,
if it is important to the Commission not to remove the lake, then he
withdraws his motion.
Commissioner King withdrew his second.
Commissioner Tolstoy moved to accept the land use plan concept for the
Victoria Planned Community. The motion was seconded by Commissioner
King and carried unanimously.
Mr. Hogan stated that if there was concurrence with the changes as shown
in the February 2 report on parks and open space and the March 12 staff
report that the Commission move that there by 100% credit for the lakes
1 and 2 (not the lake in the regional shopping center), the trails and
for Victoria Parkway. This will indicate concurrence that the issues of
land use, circulation and open space have been resolved.
Chairman Dahl stated that he had one question relative to the issue of
concession stands.
Mr. Hogan stated that generally concession stands do not make money and
usually carry a loss. He further stated that generally concession
stands do not make money and usually carry a loss. He further stated
that it depends on the way the operation is run and he was asking for a
study to be prepared by the applicant to see if they will be a part of
this.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked if, when they quote the size of the lake
area, is the park area also being included.
Mr. Hogan explained that the Commission should approve the l~kes in
concept only so that when they get to the specifics they bring back a
lake plan that speaks about the maintenance and other things related to
the lakes.
Commissioner Tolstoy then asked when you state trails what is being
talked about.
Mr. Hogan explained how in the low medium area you might have cul-de-
sacs that butt together and there may be a trail running along.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked if it had been stated that tile trails would
not Count.
Mr. Hogan replied that they would count.
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Commissioner Rempel stated that he felt the trail system and lakes give
a fantastic recreation aspect, not only the residents of the planned
community, but the whole community. Further, that this is good for the
entire City of Rancho Cucamonga.
Motion: Moved by Rempel, seconded by Tolstoy, carried unanimously, to
allow full credit for the lakes, trails and open space as proposed.
Mr. Hogan stated for the record the City Council did not take action on
a portion of the area that involves the planned community. He asked if
the Planning Commission would concur by making a motion of recommenda-
tion that the General Plan map be revised to indicate what has been done
in accepting these portions of the Victoria Planned Community.
Motion: Moved by Rempel, seconded by Tolstoy, carried unanimously, to
so concur and recommend.
8:05 p.m. The Planning Commission recessed.
8:20 p.m. The Planning Commission reconvened.
Chairman Dahl stated that Infrastructure and Design Criteria would be
discussed together.
City Planner, Barry Hogan, reviewed the staff report of November 24, 1980.
He stated that Infrastructure is discussed in the Draft Environmental
Impact Report which goes into great detail on water supplies, electrical
service, sewage disposal telephone service, gas service and the adequacies
of these. He explained the studies under way relative to the flood
control channel and he suggested that as a condition this developer
participate in these programs. He asked that the staff recommendation
in this report be added to the conditions for the planned community.
Mr. Hogan discussed the Design Criteria with solar standards, parkways,
landscaping and grading standards, etc. and asked that the recommendation
in the staff report be a condition to indicate whether the parkways
would be connected with the Victoria Groves area.
Mr. Hogan indicated that in the land use section A-F there are various
changes that have been suggested by staff and the plan which was being
reviewed tonight shows these with the General Plan designations. Some
of the changes requested are of a minor nature and can be corrected by
the applicant very quickly, he stated. Further, that the 14-15 changes
that they suggest are primarily detail changes.
Mr. Hogan stated that staff would recommend that the Planning Commission
consider the topics of infrastructure and move to include conditions on
pages 1-3 of the November 24 memorandum as a resolution of approval and
also, under Design Criteria, the suggested conditions under Victoria
Parkway under residential site planning standards and road standards.
Comm/ssioner Rempel stated that on page 184 it was suggested that the
word "minimum" be added and he did not see how th~s could be done.
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Mr. Hogan replied that it would be under the bottom portion under garage,
etc. and that he would be able to go more but not less.
Commissioner Rempel asked if he would then insist that every garage must
be 18 feet back of the wall. He further stated that it was his under-
standing that it could be closer as long as there was an opening.
Commissioner Sceranka asked for an explanation on why a 5-foot easement
is required on either side of a zero lot line on page 186.
Mr. Frye explained that they are showing two things and that page 186 is
a typical centerplotted house and page 187 is the same lot size with a
zero lot line.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that going back to standards for City roads,
at one time the Commission gave the ability for the developer to come in
with a narrower street as long as he came in with some turf block parking
and asked if this had been accomplished as part of the Clty's standards.
Mr. Rougeau replied that the City has not really arrived at using this
in any of the plans, and to be truthful, he was not familiar with this
concept. He indicated that the General Plan does have a list of street
standards and these can be worked out with the developer; however, he
thought that on a private street this would create problems.
Mr. Lam stated that Mr. Tolstoy was thinking of the rural road standards
and a discussion that took place at that time.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he felt there are appropriate places
within this plan where that kind of thing could be used and asked if
this was included or precluded by the discussion before.
Staff replied that it was neither and could still be accomplished. The
problem was that it has been discussed but not resolved.
Mr. Tomkins, SWA, stated that it has been his experience that you use
turf block when it is associated with a private development or private
road system and it has worked out pretty well.
Chairman Dahl asked about the 4-foot sidewalks under the B Land Use and
how they would feel if they were on one side only.
Mr. Frye responded that during a meetlng with Mr. Hubbs on September 22
some of these sections were revised and as he recalled, they went with
4-foot sidewalks on both sides of the street. They do not have a problem
with one side or both sides, he stated. He indicated that on pages 114-
115 where there is a local private street it would make sense to only
have sidewalks on one side and that they will revise this section to
conform with the City's standards.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that he thought that the Commission had
established a precedent on the tracts that have been approved in tile
recent past.
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Mr. Hogan replied that this was on 20,000 square foot lots or larger and
that the lots in Victoria are smaller. He indicated that the Commission
might want to retain flexibility and make a determination during the
design review process so that this could be done on an individual basis.
Commissioners Tolstoy and Rempel agreed.
Mr. llogan stated that a condition could be worded that would cover this
stating that all tract maps In the planned community should go through
design review. Further, that these will not be custom tracts, they will
probably have units on them, but In some cases he may Just want to run
the lots through with tile units later on. Most questions of this type,
he stated, are answered at the tract level and as long as we address the
issue at that time.
Chairman Dahl stated his agreement and added that this should be a
policy of the Planning Commission if the other Commissioners agreed.
TIle consensus of the Commission was that they agreed with this as a
policy.
Chairman Dahl opened the public hearing. There being no comments, the
public hearing was closed.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked as a point of clarification wilere in the text
should there be a reminder that tilere should be some kind of treatment
to get to that south park.
Mr. Lam replied that we can provide a condition to protect open spaces
for any portion.
Mr. llogan stated that what is being asked for is a local trail map and
this can be requested.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that in selection of trees one tree that was
called out was a Sycamore. He asked if types of trees are going to be
reviewed and at what point.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked that another tree be selected because the
California Sycamore has more blight and there ought to be some provisions
that other varieties be brought in and to be sure that they do well in
this area.
Mr. Frye stated that they would anticipate these kinds of issues at
Design Review.
Mr. Lam stated that when you are calling out a tree you are really
calling a shape, form, design and texture and that tile Commission will
be able to look at a tree in that llght.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked if tilere would be a trail map.
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Mr. Hogan replied that there would be one; however, it will not show
small paths.
Motion: Moved by King, seconded by Rempel, carried unanimously, to
adopt the Infrastructure portion and suggestions for Design Criteria
with the additions that have been made.
Mr. Hogan reviewed the process and stated that there would be a meeting
on March 26; however, because of a conflict with the Citizens Advisory
Commission, instead of starting at 7 p.m., the meeting would begin at 8
p.m.
Mr. Hogan stated that areas of discussion at that meeting would be
zoning, implementation, and the EIR, although the EIR has been discussed
throughout the process. He indicated that mitigation measures would be
discussed along with the changes that have been made. He indicated that
an April 9 meeting was also scheduled and it was hoped that this will be
the meeting at which a resolution will be brought forward recommending
approval of the Planned Community to the City Council.
Chairman Dahl asked if there was any reason why the recommendations,
with the exception of zoning implementations and EIR, could not be
brought to the Commission before the 26th.
Mr. Hogan stated that there are substantial areas that need to be
discussed.
Mr. Lam stated that a determining factor is {low quickly SWA can keep up
with the revisions before the 26th and complete that with staff because
staff will need more than one day to look at tile materials. If, through
a miracle, this can work it miRht be possible to complete on the 26th,
but he would like to leave the April date open.
Motion: Moved by Rempel, seconded by King, carried unanimously, to
adjourn.
8:55 p.m. The Planning Commission adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
JACK LAM, Secretary
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CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
January 26, 1981
Adjourned Regular Meeting
CALL TO ORDER
TIle adjourned regular meeting of the Planning Commission of the City of
Rancho Cucamonga, was held in the Etiwanda Intermediate School, 6295
Etiwanda Avenue, Rancho Cucamonga, on Monday, January 26, 1981.
Meeting was called to order at 7:05 p.m. by Chairman Dahl, who led in
the pledge of allegiance.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT:
COMMISSIONERS:
Jeffrey King, Herman Rempel, Jeff Sceranka,
Peter Tolstoy, Richard Dahl
ABSENT: COMMISSIONERS: None
STAFF PRESENT: Jack Lam, Director of Conununity Development;
Barry K. Hogan, City Planner; Tim J. Beedle,
Senior Planner; Edward A. Hopson, City Attorney;
Steve McCutchan, Associate Planner; Ed Vlllenueva,
Junior Planner; Paul Rougeau, Senior Civil Engineer;
and Nancy McAllister, Secretary
ANNOUNCE~H~NTS
Chairman Dahl stated at the special General Plan meeting held last week,
the Commission asked the staff to prepare a number of items for review,
specifically Opici Winery, the Junior High designation and property at
4th and Archibald. Those were to be discussed tonight; however, since
the Etiwanda area is being discussed, the issues above will be discussed
at our regular meeting on January 28, 1981 at the Lions Park Community
Center. Chairman Dahl stated for those people that would like to speak
on community design and energy, those items will be continued to January 28,
1981, as we have Just received the revisions and wish an opportunity to
review them.
REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF GENERAL PLAN RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ETIWANDA AREA
Jack Lam, Director of Community Development, reviewed the staff analysis
as well as a slide presentation for the Ettwanda planning area. He
recommended that the Planning Commission review the General Plan objectives
for the Etfwanda planning area and provide staff direction on.any changes
desired.
Barry Hogan, City Planner, reviewed numerous requests for changes to the
Land Use Plan for Planning Cor~nission review and comment. Input will be
necessary for preparation ~f recommendations which will be brought to
the Planning Commission at the February 2, 1981 meeting.
Chairman Dahl stated he would like to thank everyone for coming this
evening as we appreciate the input and interest. The General Plan will
determine what will happen in our City for a long time to come and
knowing that the public is interested in knowing what happens in their
area of the community is extremely important. Chairman Dahl opened the
public hearing at this time.
Mr. John Viasic, member of the Citizens Advisory Committee, stated the
Committee has reviewed the staff recommended changes end the Committee
endorses those changes and supports them wholeheartedly, particularly
the idea of not making Victoria a continuous street. This will help
retain a lot of the atmosphere they would like to keep in the Etiwanda
area. In the core area, they would like to see nothing but low density,
2-4 units per acre. They would recommend that commercial zoning be
preserved for other areas either below the freeway or the north side of
Highland Avenue. The Committee feels this would protect what they
consider to be the rural character of the area. Discussion of using the
community plan concept for the existing core area would be very supportive,
and they would like to see a time element of when this can be done.
Mr. Jim Banks, 13181 Victoria, Etiwanda, stated the property he would
like to talk about is west of East Avenue, north of Base Line Avenue,
north of a nursery on Base Line, and south of the railroad tracks. This
area is presently planned for office and he would rather have 1= indicated
as low density residential. One house to the acre would be fine. A
large majority of the Etlwanda people would like to have light density
residential in the Etiwanda area. They have been told that this is
difficult because of State requirements; however he would challenge
that. The State does have something to say about the spectrum of houses
that we provide but they do not believe they have any say in the total
number of houses that they provide in this community. He stated he is
totally in support of the staff recommendations as made by Mr. Lam this
evening. He is in complete agreement with the shift in density and
lightening in density, but he does not think we have gone far enough.
He stated the City should decide what the people want as far as housing
and then tailor the industrial and commercial around the residential.
Mr. Neil Westletorn, stated he would like to thank Mr. Wasserman,
Mr. Lam and members of the Commission for being concerned about the
concerns of the Etiwanda residents and their efforts to adjust the
proposals that are planned in the Etiwanda area. As s result of all
efforts, they have come up with some major concerns about the Victoria
Plan and the general Etiwanda area. Some of their concerns have been
addressed in the new recommendations as explained by Mr. Lam this evening.
In their various meetings, it was stated they would like to cut the
proposed density of the Victoria plan by roughly 50 percent.
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They would not like to connect Victoria with Etiwanda. They are in
agreement with hiring a consultant for a study of the entire east end
area, and to require more park and open space without trade-offs. The
local residents should be able to decide what they want for Etiwanda Avenue,
they do not want to see multi-family residential adjacent to single
family residential, and would like to control the quality of move-on
houses. They would also like to express concern of keeping the central
core of the Etiwanda area as low residential.
Mr. R. Kleinman, stated he wishes to speak about the land that immediately
fronts the freeway, its westerly boundary being Bast Avenue, northerly
Victoria Avenue, easterly boundary 1-15, and its southerly boundary Base
Line. In recent months, the new high school has been proposed across
the street from the area he is referring to. Bast Avenue will be given
Boulevard status on one side, the other side will be the high school and
will adjoin the freeway. The present zoning is low density residential.
He asked that the Planning Commission consider higher density residential
and/or commercial to make it feasible for young people to have affordable
housing. It is his opinion 2-4 units per acre in this location would
make the land not developable as nobody is going to spend money for a
house which is immediately ironring the freeway, across from the high
school, and which borders a proposed major boulevard. This is why he is
asking for an increase in density for this particular parcel.
Mrs. Marsha Banks, stated she has been attending Commission meetings for
four months. With the exception of Mr. Lam's presentation tonight, this
Commission has sho~rn a surprising lack of appreciation for the community
of Etiwanda and surprising insensitivity to the views of its citizenry.
For the record, she would like to indicate there has been a few people
who have a lot of time invested in this community. Those that have the
most invested and tile most at stake in this community are those that
have lived in this area for years and those are the people that the
Commission should be listening to. We have a right as to what is going
to happen in the area. Several people have pleaded with the Commission
to preserve the rural atmosphere of the area. They don't want a manicured
city. They do not have to escape their community on the weekends as
they have everything they need right here. The school is the best
school in the west end, as they have had the best scores and they are
beating the entire area in performance. There is a reason for that.
They do not want traffic lights, left turn lanes, or sidewalks. They
don't need them. This community is something to be appreciated and
preserved. The planned community should be modeled after them. They
have a lot of style and do not feel the City has the right to take that
lifestyle away from them. The City does not have a right to crowd their
streets, schools and open spaces. Mr. Lam's proposal this evening is a
step in the right direction.
Mr. Frank Harding, Etiwanda resident, stated he would offer his support
to the proposal made by Mr. Lam and the changes being made west of
Etiwanda Avenue. This is a step in the right direction; however, this
does not go far enough. The General Plan does not properly address
itself to the problems of the community caused by high density.
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The effects of high density and the result of population explosion will
seriously affect one of the community's most valuable and precious
assets - that is the children of the city. The Etiwanda schools are
consistently rated as one of the best in the State. That quality of
education is seriously threatened by high density proposals contained
within the General Plan. Residential growth proposed would seriously
impact the local school district, as double sessions are a very real and
distinct probability. The idea of busing their students to schools
outside of our city limits is a very unpopular item with the residents.
The City staff and the Council may argue that the schools are out of
their Jurisdiction but to this he says they are wrong. The General Plan
will have a tremendous influence on what happens to the children of
their community. To reduce the density is the natural first step to be
taken by our city leaders, the second most important step would be to
revise goals and objectives on schools contained within the General Plan.
The goals should be realistic. To the members of the Commission and any
members of the Council that may be present, he would challenge them to
keep the welfare of their children foremost in their thoughts when they
make decisions concerning the future of the city and especially Etiwanda.
Mr. Ray Trujillo, stated he lives on East Avenue in Etiwanda. He is in
agreement with Mr. Lam's proposal this evening as well as the statements
presented by Mr. Vlasic, representing the Citizens Advisory Committee.
He stated he has one further concern and that is the sociological factors
and whether they have been considered when trying to compress so many
people in certain areas of our community.
Mr. Buster Filpi stated he would like to speak to property located on
Foothill and Ettwanda, east of Church which has been for many years
business. He would like to see it remain commercial.
Mr. Carl Schiro, stated he has owned property on Foothill Boulevard east
of the Freeway for many years. This has been commercial; however, the
proposed plan would change it to high density. He would like this to
remain commercial.
Mr. Andrew Barmakian stated his request is for a neighborhood type
shopping center at the northwest corner of Base Line and Etiwanda Avenue.
This is a good location for neighborhood type shopping. It is a better
location for that type of use than housing due to the traffic at this
location. At the present time, the people in the area need to go a
number of miles to do their shopping. As the community grows, the
streets will be very heavily traveled because all the people will be
shopping and going to Alta Loma for their groceries. It is necessary to
have some neighborhood type shopping facilities in the Etiwanda area.
Base Line and Etiwanda Avenues are heavier traffic areas today, and
would be a better location than trying to place it internally within the
residential sites. It is his intention that if a center is proposed at
this location that the strictest requirements be placed on him to create
the best kind of landscaped neighborhood center.
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Alice Flocker stated the property that she is concerned about is located
on the east side of Etiwanda Avenue just south of the railroad tracks.
The property is five acres in size and presently zoned commercial. They
have owned the property for at least 25 years and bought the property
for a commercial zoning designation. They are hoping that it will
remain commercial. The people of Etiwanda have not had any shopping
areas since the General Store burned several years ago. This is not a
good location for residential property because of tile railroad tracks to
the north, across the street is a real estate office, and north of that
the lumber yard. They are not against low density for the Etiwanda area
and they respect the wishes of the people who live in the area to keep
it low density. At the same time, it is unrealistic that Etiwanda will
not grow in the future, as we all know it will, and it is unreallstic to
think that Etiwanda Avenue is going to remain a rural street.
8:20 p.m. The Planning Commission recessed.
8:35 p.m. The Planning Commission reconvened.
Mr. David Flocker, stated he lives on East Avenue, south of Highland.
He basically supports the General Plan because without a careful plan,
it is very possible that an area like Etiwanda will end up being another
Fontana. The fact is that Etiwanda is changing. As an example, the new
high school that will be built very shortly is going to bring changes in
traffic patterns, and more problems on the streets, Everyone may like
tile narrow streets but we might not like those streets when we have
increased traffic from the high school. Positive definite plans need to
be set. The General Plan is a very workable plan and it will allow for
intelligent decisions of how Etiwanda will develop. It is his opinion
that if tilere is not a central commercial center, Etlwanda w/ll lose its
identity. In the future people will continue to question where is
Etlwanda until finally there will be no Etiwanda except in the history
books which will be gradually changed and will be forgotten. We do need
to keep the central core, it should be kept very small but needs to be
there so that Etiwanda has some identity.
Mrs. Pat Gearhart stated it has been overheard that the people in
Etiwanda can't get together as to what they want for the area. From
what she has heard tonight the people can get together and can let the
Commission know what they want, She was selected to canvass Etiwanda
Avenue and find out what the people owning property along that street
wanted. A number of residents have been in Etiwanda for at least a
hundred years. She visited 21 homes and of those, 16 were home.
Everyone realizes that Etiwanda is changing and it is known there will
be a lot more changes but they want Etiwanda Avenue to stay the way it
is for as long as possible. They want to stay low density residential
with some commercial zoning in certain areas. They do want some type of
identity and some type of shopping center, but they do feel we are going
to have to continue to adjust traffic flow away from the core of the
City and away from Etiwanda Avenue. A proposed shopping center could be
located near the Foothill Freeway and Highland. She can understand some
of the requests for commercial development by the older residents as
they really care about what happens to Etiwanda. Absentee landlords
could care less about what happens to Etiwanda as long as they make
their money.
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Don DeVerka stated he would like to talk about property on the northeast
corner of Foothill and Rochester. This property is shown as commercial
and they would like to downgrade this for affordable housing, preferably
a condo arrangement. By allowing 25 to 30 units per acre they can meet
the need of affordable housing in this community. Justification for
this proposal is the close proximity of the regional center, and the
Foothill Boulevard corridor.
Tim Kelly, 722 East Avenue, stated one of the reasons they bought their
house was the rural nature of the community. He stated he is completely
in agreement with what Marsha Banks said and wanted to thank her for
saying it.
Mr. Richard Reeder, stated he would like to address a problem that he
has seen on the executive summary of the General Plan. There is an
elementary school shown adjacent to a Junior high school site. It is
general knowledge that when a Junior high is next to an elementary
school, the junior high kids might have an undesirable effect on the
elementary school kids. He would like to question the wisdom of putting
the schools next to each other. He is also in agreement that the density
be kept as low as possible in the Etiwanda area.
Mr. Dave Swaithes, stated he owns property on Base Line and Etiwanda
that was the old water company building in 1937. He has been told that
regardless of what happens to the zoning his use will be grandfathered.
If the property remains commercial, if he were to sell his property
would it still remain commercial?
Mr. Lam stated if property is currently zoned for commercial and is a
presently existing use, no matter what changes are made to tile General Plan
or zoning tile commercial use could continue. The use could still continue
even if the property is sold, but if the use should be discontinued, the
General Plan would then be followed.
Mr. Swaithes asked if the City has talked to the City of Fontana and
what their master plan shows for the area.
Mr. Lam stated the City has taken a look at the Fontana Master Plan;
however at the present time, they are undergoing a complete revision of
their plan.
Mr. David Long stated when he moved here 14 years ago he could walk
across Etiwanda Avenue and go quail hunting or dove hunting up near
Summit Avenue. He tried to go hunting last fall and the Sheriff informed
him he could not do that any longer. He had to go across Summit Avenue.
How much do the people that live here have to give up for progress?
Changes are going to come and we know it to a certain degree but he is
more concerned about people that will come here than the people that now
live here. People talk about low income housing so that people can
afford to live here. He wishes they would be half as concerned about
his feelings and lifestyle as they are about those that are going to
move into the area.
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Mr. R. Lawrence, stated he has lived here for some 18 years. He owns
property on East Avenue north of the railroad tracks. He has now moved
to northern Californfa and builds affordable homes. That to him is the
future of this country. He would request that residential zoning,
5 to 14 units per acre, be allowed for his property as this is necessary
for affordable housing. The frontage of the property along East Avenue
is very limited and there would only be a few things that could be done
with the property. With the railroad track in the area, it would not be
a good location for low density residential.
Mr. Jerry Bedlau, stated he is President of the local School Board. He
stated they have a very fine school system and they would like to keep
it that way. To date nobody h~s talked to them about anything and have
not approached them with any plan for the Etiwanda area. Mandatory
criteria in this district has to be met and set up by the City Council.
The first criteria is the proposed project must be consistent with the
General Plan. The second criteria is the applicant must submit to the
Community Development Director written certification from all affected
elementary, and high school districts that they will be capable of
accommodating students generated by the proposed project. The Master Plan
that they received in the mail shows designated areas for schools. The
school district does not own any of the property shown for schools at
this time, and the school district has not necessarily agreed those are
sites that will be proposed or where schools will be. The District will
not approve any development until there is an open door for students to
come in, as their main interest is the children. As long as he is on
the school board he will do his uunost to keep schools from becoming
double sessions and overcrowded. It has been mentioned that there is
State funding for the construction of schools. That is true, but tile
schools have to be overcrowded and show the facts before the money is
available. They hope that they can work with the Commission whereas not
one child will have to go on double sessions.
Mr. Tompkins stated he would like to address the issue of the specific
plan. He stated it was asked earlier how much the people of Etiwanda
have to give up, which is a very good question. He has found when you
make decisions it is very hard to decide sometimes what is right and
what is wrong. The problem with the General Plan level of discussion,
many times the degree to which you can actually discuss the issues isn's
sufficient enough to really be able to know the end product. Sometimes
density helps you if it is in the right location and if it is dealt with
properly. Landscaping, the way the houses are put together, and certainly
the economics can show that density can be really advantageous. The
Specific Plan that the staff has proposed is extremely important and he
would support that concept. The Specific Plan will tell you in much
more detail that you will get what you think. you are getting. There
would be a lot of different land uses if everyone got exactly what they
proposed and we would not have the environment that you would want. We
should deal with quality and carry that approach to as great a degree as
you need so that you not only have the right number of people but also
have the environment that you can enjoy.
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Mr. Gary Frye stated he represents the William Lyon Company and the
Victoria Plan. It appears from what he has heard that there is general
agreement that Victoria Avenue should not continue through to Etiwanda Avenue,
and they would not have any problem with that desire. They would also
agree that a specific plan should be done. His company has spent a lot
of time and expense on the property west of Etiwanda Avenue to critique
a good plan for orderly development to accommodate the needs of the
people moving in the area and at the same time by proposing a north/south
street and removing the interchange designation from Etiwanda Avenue.
He stated he represents people that do not own a home and development
that is well planned and well thought out can be a benefit to the existing
residences as well as to people who don't own a home. One of the greatest
social problems that this country is going to have in the next ten years
is that fact that a great number of people will not be able to afford a
home. If you did not own a home over the last seven years, many have
found they were priced out of the market because their incomes are not
rising at the same rate as prices of homes. Everyone has to accept the
fact that Etiwanda is going to change. He doesn't feel by cutting
density makes a general plan good because it has to meet the needs of
the people. Quality is the key. Density properly handled located and
planned is the key to quality, the key to meeting the city's need for a
high image and will supply home ownership for the new generation that
doesn't own a home now.
Sandca Barrett, stated she lives on Etiwanda Avenue and is concerned
about commercial property and shopping centers being developed on
Base Line and Etiwanda Avenue so close to the school. She asked that
the Commission consider leaving'Etlwanda Avenue residential for the
schools and the residents.
Mr. Joe Dilorio, stated he has been involved with the General Plan for
this city since before the City incorporated. Ite would like to speak to
the issue of balance in the General Plan. He stated this city is the
second largest metropolitan region in the country. He realizes that
people that have been here a long time can remember the days when the
area was rural. Much work has been done in the industrial area. There
has been law suits because of inbalance. It is true the regional shopping
center will have an effect on the city which will hopefully be beneficial.
It may be the one thing that keeps our city solvent. The staff recommendation
relating to a specific plan for Etiwanda and the area to the north of
Etiwanda is an opportunity. We have to hone in on some of the details
that are needed and an opportunity to really go into detail on what the
character will be.
Mr. James Thompson stated he represents the portion of land that is
located east of the windrow area, west of the flood control channel and
also connects with the proposed area for the high school to the east of
the windrow area, west of the flood control channel and also connects
with the proposed area for the high school to the east of East Avenue.
It is his opinion this property could have some commercial zoning for
shopping center or community type commercial units that could be serviceable
to a community. He also asked that the Co~mission consider medium
density on the remaining land.
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Mr. Harry Arsinage stated he has owned land in Etiwanda for about six
years. He will not disagree that some of the land should be reserved
for low density purboses. He also does not disagree with some of those
that would like to have commercial zoning. He believes some of our
major arteries such a Foothill, Etiwanda, Base Line and Highland should
allow commercial 20 years from now but be left residential until then.
He believes that high density should be behind the commercial properties
on the major arteries and then have lower density preperties behind
that. He thanked the Commission for coming here and getting feedback
from the people.
9:50 p.m. The Planning Commission recessed.
10:00 p.m. The Planning Commission reconvened.
Chairman Dahl closed the public hearing.
Chairman Dahl asked that each Commission member give an indication as to
what they feel at this time; however specific recommendation will be
made at the next meeting.
Commissioner Sceranka stated 'he agrees with the staff recommendation for
the modification of Victoria from Day Creek to Etiwanda Avenue going
south. This will restrict traffic flow into Etiwanda area. He would
agree more buffering is needed between the proposed specific plan and
the Etlwanda area and agrees with the shift of density, so he would
endorse the modification as proposed by staff. Moving the park designation
to the west side of Rochester, he agrees with and he also agrees with
the modification of the density adjacent to Rochester, as it will provide
for a better buffer. The County and the Foothill Specific Plan, he
totally endorses and hopes the County will move ahead with that plan.
This will have more of an impact on the rural character of the area than
anything else. The Specific Plan for Etiwanda is an absolute necessity.
Generally speaking, it is important for the community to maintain its
character as much as possible, if that is what the people want. There
will not be much the citizens of this area can do from letting people
want to develop here but he looks at his role as a member of the Commission
as trying to find the best balance with the pressures for growth and
providing the opportunity for our children to buy a home in an area and
environment we were raised, A half acre lot is not feasible for everyone
and we will have to have increased density. The city is large enough to
handle increased density without putting all of it in one spot. As far
as he is concerned, it is important to have equestrian uses north of
Banyan and important to maintain low density in the northeastern part of
our City. He endorses low density as an overall pattern of development
in Etiwanda. It is important if we are going to have low density predominate
any particular part of the community to allow within that part of the
community, density where it is appropriate to take the pressure off of
growth and development in the future. He can't guarantee who will be on
the Commission and Council in the future but it is his goal as a Commissioner
to provide the best options for development in the city and provide the
best location for commercial, industrial and residential growth. The
area along Etiwanda Avenue is not appropriate for commercial at this
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particular point in time. He will not preclude the judgement of any
specific plan for the Etiwanda community but at this particular point in
time, the facts lead to t~e conclusion that Etiwanda Avenue is one of
the major characteristic points and it has to be preserved. He does not
see how Etlwanda Avenue can be preserved by allowing commercial development
where proposed currently. The areas proposed for commercial along the
north side of Foothill, east of the Devore Freeway he is in agreement
with. }|e would like to see staff come back with some specific recommendations
on that particular property. One of his major disagreements with the
General Plan as it is now structured is commercial along the Devote
Freeway and Base Line. It is his feeling in minimizing traffic impact
in Etlwanda and minimizing congestion of traffic in the city, that is
the worst place for neighborhood commercial for the community. The only
place that he feels comfortable with a commercial designation prior to
the specific plan being reviewed would be the area along Highland and
East Avenue. He would llke the rural character of Etiwanda Avenue to be
maintained. He totally agrees that the school district should not allow
the problem to get to the point of children being bused to other schools
before building new schools. He is in support with the city not going
ahead with allowing growth unless we have service facilities to handle
growth. We need to find a realistic way of providing services. The
City needs to face the problem of Proposition 13 as the city does not
have the funds available to provide for maintenance of existing services
much less provide for the needed improvements with growth. That is the
biggest problem that Ranthe Cucamonga is going to face how to provide
money to keep the existing city going as well as to provide the balanced
growth that will protect our lifestyle.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated he is in agreement with tile Etiwanda planning
area as outlined by staff. One of the things that we need to do is
pursue a specific plan for Etiwanda. There is also the large area that
the County needs to plan in order that our city and that plan are in
concert with one another. He wonders whether the County will be that
sensitive to understand that at this point. He is in support of the two
specific plans. He is in support of the Etiwanda planning area. As far
as commercial, he has to agree with Commissioner Sceranka and could not
support commercial along Etiwanda Avenue. Etiwanda needs a community
identity. One way to do this is to create a focal point and one way to
do this is where you shop. He would propose a shopping area that would
be central to everyone to keep traffic down. He would agree with Commissioner
Sceranka that the area around East Avenue would be the place for the
core for identity this community needs. If everyone was to get commercial
that wants it we would have a checkerboard of commercial. As far as
density goes, he believes the Etiwanda area should be low density. The
staff recommendation for the buffering between the Etiwanda planning
area and the Planned Community proposed is a good one. We will need to
be very careful about what goes on in the northern area of the city. It
is designated an equestrian area and we need to pay attention to that
use, equestrian and hiking trails are very important.
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Commissioner King stated the role of the Planning Ccmmission is tO
basically achieve a well balanced community from a land use standpoint.
The way to achieve ~ well balanced community is by getting a good spread
of different socio-economic groups being represented. The General Plan
which presently exists, needs more acreage in low density residential.
It is his feeling more of the central core area can be very low residential
of i to 2 acres. This would also have the tendency to affect the traffic
flow on Etiwanda Avenue to insure that it can maintain its present
quality. Also, in order to achieve a well rounded community it is
necessary that we have density. In order to provide a house that can be
delivered to somebody in the $65,000 and $75,000 range we would have to
deal with at least ten units per acre. We should make every effort that
we can to deliver that type of housing. Good buffering from a lower
residential land use to a higher residential is needed to provide affordable
units and achieve a well rounded community in terms of socio-economics.
He doesn't particularly care for the commercial where shown. The commercial
center may be appropriate in the Highland Avenue area. He is not sure
that after full development of the hillside area that perhaps we will
need more than one commercial but this should be more toward the Highland
area. In regard to Etiwanda Avenue, with proper land use along that
street and appropriate configuration of the street it can stay in its
present state; however, to insure that, the density in the downtown
Ettwanda area should be changed to very low residential. Commercial
should be on Foothill Boulevard, west of Etiwanda Avenue. Foothill
Boulevard is going to be a major artery. He is in support of the specific
plan for Etiwanda; however, he does have a few problems. It is necessary
in his opinion to have a specific plan in order to properly plan the
Etlwanda area.
Commissioner Rempel stated he would agree generally with what has been
said about the Etiwanda areas as far as changes proposed by staff. The
Specific Plan is necessary. As far as the commercial, he would tend to
disagree with the Commission as far as moving the commercial up to areas
where there is no development whatsoever yet. Let's get it down where
it can be of use to the community that is there, possibly on Foothill or
Base Line. That is also the area that is going to be fairly heavily
traveled. He believes there is a problem in the area with trying to get
the density so low that we destroy the right of individuals to have
property and to have that property within his means. The density in
certain areas has to increase. He is not saying that this should be
done in the area east of Etiwanda Avenue, in fact, he feels it should
not be there, but in the area to the west because of the type of land
that it is and the winds in the area. It is not the best area for large
lots but an area that fairly high density can be best adapted. It is
his opinion the staff is trying to work with the community of Etiwanda
and the City as a whole. As we develop and if we work together to
develop a city that will fit the housing needs of the total population
not only what is here now but what is here 50 years from now. We have
to realize there is more to planning of communities then to looking at
what "I have".
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Chairman Dahl stated first of all he would like to thank everyone for
attending this hearing. We now, as a City, have an opportunity not to
allow uncontrolled development to take place. Etiwanda is a beautiful
community and the rural atmosphere can be preserved. With positive
thinking, with public input and public support for the officials of the
City to move ahead, what will happen will be as you want it to be. One
of the smartest things our city did was come up with a growth managment
plan whlch requires a letter from the school district. He endorses what
the Planning Staff has done. The staff, working through a committee in
Etiwanda, has decreased the overall density by 1,200 units. The turning
away of Victoria Street from going through the community of Etiwande is
very important and highly significant in terms of impact. He endorses
the maintaining of Etiwanda Avenue as it is. He enjoys traveling up
that street and the character should be preserved. He would agree with
the gentlemen who spoke to the issue of a Junior high school across from
an elementary school. The staff will look at this as he is sure the
Etlwanda School District will look at it to determine where the school
should be placed. He is also for the specific plan designation for
Etiwanda as it is necessary to determine what is going to happen in this
community. Me believes we need a lower density area, an area that is
rural in character, and he believes we have this here. He doesn't
believe necessarily that we want to have everything in all of Etiwanda 2
or less units per acre but he wants to retain in most areas 4 per acre.
The two individuals that spoke regarding the northwest section of Foothill
and Etiwanda which has been commercial for a number of years, he would
feel this is the highest and best use for that area. In terms of the
shopping center, he does not want to make a commitment or statement
concerning timat at timis time. He does know the area needs a center
within the confines of the Etiwanda area as a focal point for community
identity; however he would rather wait to address that when we have a
specific plan.
Mr. Banks stated it is his opinion that most of the people appreciate
what the Commission has said and the input that you have given us. We
all feel a lot more comfortable about what has been said.
Chairman Dahl stated all of this could not have happened had the people
not been vocal and come forward to let us know that you wanted a different
type of planning for the area.
Motion: Moved by Sceranka, seconded by King, carried unanimously to
adjourn the meeting.
10:10 p.m. The Planning Commission adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
JACKL~,S~y
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CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA
PLANNING COb~IISSION MEETING
Adjourned Regular Meeting
February 2, 1981
CALL TO ORDER
The adjourned regular meeting of the Planning Commission of tile City of
Rancho Cucamonga was held in the Lions Park Community Center, 9161 Base Line
Road, Rancho Cucamonga, on Monday, February 2, 1981.
Meeting was called to order at 7:03 p.m. by Chairman Dahl, who led in
the pledge of allegiance.
ROLL CALL
Commissioners:
Commissioners:
Jeffrey King, Herman Rempel, Jeff Sceranka,
Peter ~olstoy, Richard Dahl
None
Staff Present: Jack Lam, Director of Community Development; Edward A. Hopson,
City Attorney; Batty K. Hogan, City Planner; Tim J. Beedle,
Senior Planner; Paul Rougeau, Senior Civil Engineer;
Bill Holley, Director of Community Services; Steve McCntchan,
Associate Planner; and Nancy McAllister, Secretary
ANNOUNCEMENTS
Jack Lam, Director of Community Development, stated Thursday, Febrtaary 5,
198l, there will be a continued public hearing on the Victorla Plan.
This meeting is to bring everyone up to date on the program of the
planned community. The meeting will be held at 7:00 p.m. and the
public is invited. '
REVIEW OF LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ETIWANDA AREA AND SURROUNDING AREA
Chairman Dahl stated at the January 26, 1981 meeting, the Planning Commission
reviewed land use alternatives to the Draft General Plan for Etiwanda
and surrounding areas. Based upon that discussion and analysis, recommendations
for land use modifications are being forwarded to the Planning Commission
for their consideration.
Batty Hogan, City Planner, reviewed the specific requests for the Commission.
It is recommended that the Commission consider revisions or additions to
the Draft General Plan as follows: That a Specific Plan for the Etiwanda
community be developed; that revisions to the land use plan be made; and
that action on items ! through 15 be taken as recommended. He stated
one additional item has been requested by Mr. Banks. Staff has not had
the opportunity to consider that request at this time therefore it would
be up for consideration at the next meeting with the specifics for the
Commission to review.
Chairman Dahl asked for questions from the Commission of the staff.
There being none, Chairman Dahl opened the public hearing.
Mr. Rick Elias, stated he lives on East Avenue, north of Highland. He
is opposed to a community commercial center of East Avenue north of
Highland. He, as well as others in the area, woeld like to keep the
area rural, commercial free, safe and low density.
Chairman Dahl stated the Commission wants to have more input from the
citizenry to determine where a community center would be most effective
to give the Ettwanda area more of a center of identity within the community.
Jim Thompson stated he would like to speak to property on the south side
of Highland, east of East Avenue which abuts against the flood control
channel. Development of this land would not destroy any eucalyptus
trees as it is located east of all the windrows. Highland Avenue is now
one of the main arteries that carries traffic east and west and will
remain that way. Their property is one half mile east of East Avenue
and is close enough to be considered as the main community commercial
focus center. The property backs to the flood control channel and
because of its situation, it really seems to lend itself to a commercial
type development without disturbing low density developments and would
also keep the traffic light on existing streets. Therefore he would
like to propose a neighborhood commercial center at this location as it
would, in a positlve way, attract residents and people from other areas
which would help bring revenues into our city.
Agatha Kleinman stated they sent a letter to the Planning Commission.
She stated they came before the Commission at the last meeting requesting
commercial or high density on their property located on East Avenue and
Victoria. They have been advised that this would be a very impractical
location for low density residential as the 1-15 freeway is raised
approximately 30 feet over their property. They live along the railroad
and across from the proposed high school. They would like to change
their request to indicate either commercial, high density, or medium
density residential. They would like to develop luxury condos or townhouses
where people would be proud to live. If the Commission cannot agree to
at least consider medium density, they would request postponing any
decision until staff could sit down and discuss this further.
Kathy El|as stated she would be opposed to East Avenue becoming a 4 to 6
lane highway and asked if that is being proposed.
Batty Hogan stated early in the process of the interim plan, Etiwanda Avenue
appeared as though it was going to take more traffic. Through the
process of review, Etiwanda Avenue has been declared a special boulevard
and would be maintained as is. East Avenue is the same on the Sedway/Cooke
plan as it was on the John Blayney plan and is termed a secondary highway.
Normally a secondary highway is four lanes. There has been a great deal
of concern expressed about traffic on East Avenue. Staff has suggested
that the specific plan in the area address this.
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Mrs. Elias stated if a secondary street is needed for Etiwanda, perhaps
the Commission might consider putting it on the very edge of the City
going toward San Bernardino. In this way it would keep East Avenue
nice, would save all the eucalyptus trees, and would make those living
along this street a lot happier.
Tim Kilty, stated he lives at 722 East Avenue. lie would like to speak
to tile area bounded by Foothill on the south, Etiwanda on the west, and
1-15 on the north, which is indicated as medium density residential.
Along the area of Miller, between Etiwanda and East Avenues, most properties
are half acre lots or more. If the area adjacent to them is going to be
zoned medium density they would be very upset as they do not want to
have apartments adjacent to their backyards.
Mr. A. ~si, stated he owns property on the southwest corner of Foothill
near Rochester which has been indicated commercial since approximately 1920
and he has paid taxes on the property as a commercial lot. He would
like the property to remain commercial at this time.
Mr. Hogan stated the property on both the Interim Plan and the Sedway/Cooke
plan indicated an industrial park in this area. In the industrial park,
restaurants and some other commercial uses are permitted.
Mr. John Lyons asked if Rochester will be a through street through the
Etiwanda area.
Mr. Hogan stated Rochester does go through to Highland.
Mr. Lyons stated his concern was that Rochester not be opened at tile
railroad tracks. He would also request that Church Street to tile east
of Day Creek not be opened. With tile shopping center proposed, the
amount of traffic in this area would be astronomical.
Mr. Andrew Barmakian stated he is interested in the property at the
northwest corner of Etiwanda and Base Line. He would like to develop a
neighborhood commercial center at this location and would like to develop
one which the people of Etiwanda could be proud of. He stated one of
the considerations for commercial is along Highland Avenue which he
would feel is a poor consideration as Highland carries high speed traffic
through the city, and is not conducive to the kind of local traffic that
you think about when you build a neighborhood type of center. A street
such as Etiwanda Avenue is much more conducive to a neighborhood center
because it runs basically north and south within the city and is also
close to the freeway but cannot be seen from the freeway. It would
allow for deliveries in close proximity to the freeway but doesn't carry
traffic deep into the Etiwanda area.
Raveen Kanokvechayant stated she owns property located at the northeast
corner of Base Line and Rochester. Her original request was for commercial
as Base Line and Rochester are busy streets and there is no commercial
in that area. However, if the Commission does not think commercial is
appropriate at this time, she would ask tile Commission to consider at
least medium high or medium density so that condominiums could be built.
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Hr. Jerry Hodson stated he represents the owner of the northeast corner
of Rochester and Foothill. The property is indicated for office; however,
the owner feels that there is too much potential office property zoned
in that area. They would request high density residential and could
then provide affordable housing in the area.
There being no further comments from the audience, Chairman Dahl closed
the public hearing.
8:15 p.m.
8:40 p.m.
The Planning Commission recessed.
The Planning Commission reconvened.
Chairman Dahl asked for recommendations on Items 1 through 15 at this
time.
Item #1: Approximately 4 acres north of Etlwanda Post Office on the
west side of Etlwanda Avenue.
Motion: Motion by Commissioner Sceranka, and seconded by Commissioner King
to maintain the draft plan designation of Office for subject property.
AYES:
SCERANKA, KING, REMPEL, TOLSTOY, DAHL
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
Item #2: Approximately 10 acres on the northwest corner of Etiwanda
and Base Line.
Commissioner King stated he would abstain from review of this item due
to a possible conflict of interest.
Motion: Motion by Commissioner Sceranka, and seconded by Commissioner Rempel
to retain the low density residential designation on subject property
with the condition that this area be included in the Etiwanda Specific Plan.
AYES:
SCERANKA, REMPEL, TOLSTOY, DAHL
NOES: NONE
ABSTAIN: KING
ABSENT: NONE
Commissioner Sceranka stated he would like to make a recommendation on
Items 3-5 at one time.
Item #3: Approximately 10 acres on the southwest corner of Etiwanda
and Base Line.
Item #4: Approximately 6.5 acres directly north of the Buddhist Temple,
west of Etiwanda Avenue.
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Item #5: Approximately 7 acres on the east side of Etiwanda Avenue
between Base Line Avenue and the railroad tracks.
Motion: Motion by Commissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner Rempel
to retain low density residential on item 3, item 4, and item 5 and that
subject areas be included in the Ettwanda Specific Plan.
AYES:
SCERANKA, REMPEL, TOLSTOY, DAHL
NOES: KING
ABSENT: NONE
Commissioner King stated he is not in support of the motion which he
would direct more to items 3 and 5. He believes it would be appropriate
somewhere in the vicinity of Base Line and Etiwanda Avenue to have a
small commercial center, with basically a small store and one or two
support stores. To compensate for the impact of traffic, he believes
that a good portion of Etiwanda between Highland and Base Line should be
very low density.
Item ~6: Property located south of Highland Avenue adjacent to the
Flood Control Channel and east of East Avenue.
Motion: Motion by Commissioner King and seconded by Commissioner Tolstoy
to adopt staff recommendation of low residential on subject property.
AYES: KING, TOLSTOY, REMPEL, SCERANKA, DAHL
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
Item #7: Approximately 20 acres south of Victoria, west of the Devore Freeway.
Commissioner Sceranka stated he has a concern about low density next to
the freeway but he does not see the appropriate place to determine the
boundary at this time. He would prefer to maintain the low density
designation at this time with the specific plan considering this property
in its review.
Commissioner Rempel stated he would agree that the low density residential
in that area needs to be looked at with a critical eye. This does need
to be included in the specific plan.
Motion: Moved by Commissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner Rempel
to retain low density residential on subject property with further
review of property within the Etiwanda Specific Plan.
AYES:
SCERANKA, KEMPEL, KING, TOLSTOY, DAHL
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
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Item #8: Approximately 15 acres north of Foothill, between the Devore
Freeway and Etiwanda
Item #9: Less than one acre north of Foothill, between tile Devote Freeway
and Etiwanda.
Item #i0: Less than one acre north of Foothill, between the Dovore Freeway
and Etiwanda Avenue.
Commissioner Rempel stated this property does not lend itself to housing
of any type. He would like to see the first 500 to 600 feet, depending
on where the property is split, have a straight line of commercial
between subject property and the existing school, with the remaining
property retained as low density residential.
Motion: Moved by Commissioner Sceranka, and seconded by Commissioner King
to designate approximately 20 acres north of Foothill between the Devote
Freeway and Etiwanda to a neighborhood commercial designation and master planned.
AYES:
SCERANKA, KING, REMPEL
NOES: TOLSTOY, DAHL
ABSENT: NONE
Commissioner Tolstoy stated he is in opposition to the motion because
this is too large an area for commercial. He would be in favor of the
motion if it were a smaller area.
Chairman Dahl stated he is opposed to the motion as it is too large a
site and too close to the proposed regional center for that large a
commercial area.
Chairman Dahl asked for discussion concerning the southeast corner,
containing 5 acres.
Motion: Motion by Commissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner Rempel
to designate the southeast section office professional.
AYES:
SCERANKA, REMPEL, TOLSTOY, DAHL
NOES: KING
ABSENT: NONE
Commissioner King stated he believes the property should remain commercial.
Item #i1: Approximately 25 acres on the southwest corner of Foothill
and Rochester.
Commissioner Sceranka stated tile industrial park designation would be to
the owners benefit, as the industrial park designation would allow
Industrial as well as some commercial uses and would not restrict him .to
commercial uses only.
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Motion: Moved by Cormmissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner Tolstoy
to retain the draft plan designation of industrial park for subject
property.
AYES:
SCERANKA, TOLSTOY, KING, REMPEL, DAHL
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
Item #12: Approximately 10 acres on the northwest corner of Etiwanda
and Base Line.
Commissioner King stated he would abstain due to a possible conflict of
interest.
Motion: Moved by Commissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner Tolstoy
to retain the draft plan designation of office and low density residential
(2-4 units per acre) for subject property.
AYES:
SCERANKA, TOLSTOY, REMPEL, DAHL
NOES: NONE
ABSTAIN: KING
ABSENT: NONE
Item #13: Approximately 22 acres located at the northeast corner of
Base Line and Rochester.
Berry Hogan stated this item is also listed as Item "j" on the Planned
Community area. Perhaps the Commission might wish to defer any action
on this item to the Planned Community Section.
Motion: It was the consensus of the Commission to defer action on
Item #13 to the Planned Community Section, Item "J".
Item #14: Approximately 8 acres on the northeast corner of Rochester
and Foothill.
Motion: Moved by Commissioner Rempel and seconded by Commissioner Sceranka
to retain the draft plan designation of Office for subject property.
AYES:
REMPEL, SCERANKA, KING, TOLSTOY, DAHL
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
Item #15: Approximately 8 acres north of the Pacific Railroad tracts
and west of East Avenue.
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Motion: Moved by Commissioner Tolstoy and seconded by Commissioner Sceranka
to retain the draft plan designation of low residential (2-4 dwelling
units per acre) for subJedt property.
AYES:
TOLSTOY, SCERANKA, REb~EL, DAHL
NOES: KING
ABSENT: NONE
Commissioner King stated he believes the area should be very low residential.
Commissioner Sceranka stated it is his feeling that the Etiwanda Specific Plan
is definitely going to address, as one of its points, the location of a
neighborhood cormnercial center to serve the existing and future residents
of Etiwanda. Some discussion and debate needs to be done in terms of
where that center should go and what uses would be appropriate adjacent
to it. He is not, at this particular time, in favor of designating tile
General Plan for commercial centers at Base Line and East Avenues. He
would prefer that they be changed to the existing designations adjacent
to them and at the time the Etiwanda Specific Plan is adopted, we then
locate the commercial in the appropriate areas.
Motion: Motion by Commissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner Tolstoy
to remove the designations for neighborhood commercial at two locations:
On East and Base Line except where the approved site plan is, as well as
the office professional adjacent to them and substitute the existing
adjacent land use designation as shown until such time as a Specific Plan
for Etiwanda is completed to further clarify tile location of commercial
in Etiwanda.
AYES:
SCERANKA, TOLSTOY, REMPEL, DAtlL
NOES: KING
ABSENT: NONE
Commissioner King stated in essence what we are doing is leaving Etiwanda
with no commercial and there is no time frame as of yet on the completion
of the Specific Plan.
Chairman Dahl stated at this time he would like to request that the
Commission review and recommend the adoption of a Specific Planned area
for Etiwanda and ask the staff to proceed in that direction.
Commissioner Sceranka stated in addition to the items as listed in the
staff report for inclusion in the Specific Plan, he would also like to
add one additional item; that being Development and refinement of Equestrian
Trails System for Etiwanda.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated it is necessary that a time frame be set for
the review and adoption of the Etiwanda Specific Plan.
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Mr. Lam stated he would recommend that the Commission carry forth the
recommendation to the City Council that the Specific Plan be considered
for the next fiscal'year, as this will have to be considered as part of
the budgetary process. He would anticipate that this Specific Plan
would take approximately ten months to complete, especially if there is
to be citizen participation.
Commissioner Dahl stated he would prefer that we take longer if necessary
but retain this study in-house rather than through the consultant method
of handling the entire plan.
Con~ntssioner King stated he would agree wholeheartedly.
Motion: Moved by Conmissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner Dahl
to request the Council consider a Specific Plan for the Etiwanda area to
include the following:
Establish design standards
Identify a community center
Develop precise street plans
Develop precise park plans
Establish a location for commercial uses
Adjust land use patterns where necessary
Development and refinement of equestrian trails system for Etiwanda
Further, that the Council and staff look at forming an Advisory Committee
from the Etiwanda Area as soon as possible.
AYES:
SCERANKA, DAIIL, KING, REMPEL, TOLSTOY
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
9:20 p.m.
9:30 p.m.
The Planning Commission recessed.
The Planning Commission reconvened.
Chairman Dahl stated it has been requested by members of the audience,
that due to the lateness of the meeting that those present to speak on
the Parks and Recreation Element be allowed to do so at this time.
It was the consensus of the Commission to open the public hearing for
input on the Parks and Recreation Element.
Pam Henry stated she would like to stress how much she supports the
proposed trails system. The text was worked on by many volunteers that
spent a lot of hours doing research and putting a lot of thought into
it. There are many people that are concerned about preserving a lifestyle
such as this which is extremely important to them. A trail system is
essential and asked that the Commission implement and accelerate its
implementation. One of the things that concerns her is the lack of
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attention to the need for truly scenic recreational trails in the foothills.
There sre a lot of unique canyons in the areas with natural running year
round streams and those will be lost unless the City takes action to
preserve them so that people in the future, whether riding horses or
walking, can enjoy the wonders of nature.
Kathy Curtis stated she would like to speak for the public trails system.
This is needed because a lot of the new housing is blocking off the
bridle paths. If we have a trail system that is well maintained it will
be good for everyone. The motorcycles need to be kept off of the trails
as this is very dangerous for the horses as well as those riding them.
Chrts Snyder stated one of the larger problems here is the private
property. People complain that the horses are ruining their property
but there is no place for them to ride. If a trail system is developed,
the private property owners will be much happier.
Lisa Calmbe and Karen Nelson stated there are no adequate bridle trails
to get from place to place in case of an emergency. If they get stuck
on a trail there is no way to get emergency systems there. Rocks and
debris are causing problems for their horses. They stated more property
is needed to develop better trails.
Chrlstlne Nelson stated it is very important that we have a connecting
bridle trail system. With traffic increasing the way that it is, we
need to have a usable trail. The horse owners at this time are forced
to use the streets which is a hazard to both driver and rider. It is a
lot nicer to ride on dirt than on the street and it Is also a lot safer.
Chrls Benoit stated one of the objectives of the master trail system is
to have an overall network of interconnecting trailways which are Integrated
with the proposed County Trails, parks, open spaces, residential areas,
and natural wildlife areas. These kinds of areas enhance the usefulness
of the trail system. Heritage Park is a very Important part of this
system. This park would be used a lot more if the trails were linked so
the rider can get to the park safely. She would also think a park such
as Heritage Park would be very useful in the Etiwanda area. If riders
are forced off parkways onto busy paved roadways, such as now exists, we
will have a serious safety problem especially with the increase of
traffic. She asked that the Commission consider approving not only the
proposed trail system but also the 70 page text submitted by the Alia
Loma Riding Club. She would like to add that the proposed parks need to
be looked at more closely as they are now very inadequate.
Tracey Htggy stated she recently moved to Alia Loma after looking at
other areas. She was pleased to find a place which had a trail system;
however, after she moved here she was unhappy with the trail system as
she frequently runs into dead ends, areas that people have fenced off,
trails where people have dumped their rubbish, and she is frequently
forced out into the street. The noise from automobiles is quite distressing
to some horses. This is a dangerous situation for the young people.
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Sandra Barker stated animal keeping has been encouraged in this area.
One of her primary concerns is that although this area offers such a
rich recreation potential, not very much thought has been given to
safety for horseback riders, hikers, joggers, or motorists. Trail
users, whether on foot or on horseback must be separated from vehicles.
Consideration should be given to requiring vehicular barriers in some
areas, and enforcement of regulations pertaining to trail use, cautionary
signs at dangerous locations, avoidance of paved surfaces whenever
possible, establishment of safe roadway crossings, bridges over concrete
drainage channels, the use of landscaping to provide a buffer between
trails and undesirable areas and routine maintenance to reduce and
remove various trail hazards.
Sandra Webster stated the consideration of the private lend owners is
important. Most equestrians are considerate and do not tear up the
private land owners property. A lot of the time it is not known that
you are on private property. The trail system would provide an area for
the riders not to have to go through private property.
Clyde Warner stated in consideration of the present and the future, he
would also look to the past and some of the problems that the trail
system has had. In the past, due to insufficient planning and some
legal and financial problems, many of the trail systems have been lost
due to various restraints such as bridges, gates and other problems. He
asked the Commission consider in the General Plan, a goal by the City to
attempt wherever possible, to open up some of the lost trails that now
or could be existing ~lch would expand the proposed system greatly.
Sharon Romeco stated, once we have the trails that is fine, but they
will have to go someplace. We want to make sure that we do |lave parks
and trails. We should decide on the parks and the equestrian trails
ignoring the utility corridors, the County land, and the private land,
so that we don't end up with less than we really want.
There being no further comments, Chairman Dahl closed the public hearing
regarding time Parks and Recreation Element. We will be addressing these
issues when we reach the park and recreation area of the Agenda. At
this time we will move to Item VI of the Ageads.
REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF GENERAL PLAN POLICIES FOR THE PLANNED COM2~UNITIES
AREA.
Batty Hogan, City Planner reviewed slides and gave a brief presentation
regarding the Planned Communities Area. The Planned Community area
includes the area bounded by Haven Avenue on the west, Foothill Boulevard
on the south, the Foothill Freeway-right-of-way (or Highland Avenue) on
the north, and on the east approximately 1,000' from Etiwanda Avenue.
He reviewed the General Plan policies for the Planned Communities.
Chairman Dahl asked for questions from the Commission of the Staff.
Tilere being none, Chairman Dahl opened the public hearing.
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Mr. Ralph Lewis, Lewis Homes, stated he would like to speak regarding
the Tetra Vista Planned Community. He stated they have brought a few
slides to illustrate density and density related to quality. A lot of
people feel that by lowering density we get a higher quality development.
He stated there have been recommendations to lower density in various
parts of the City to preserve the character of the neighborhoods. It is
important that higher density be retained and expanded in the center of
the City within the Terra Vista project. Three critical reasons for
this are to allow affordable housing, to facilitate utilization of the
city's transit and energy goals, and to retain a balance of housing
types within the General Plan. They would request a medium density area
be shown between Milliken and Cleveland south of Church. They would ask
that the western portion be redesignated for high density and the eastern
portion closer to Millikan be designated medium high density. On the
east side of Millikan behind the commercial area frontlag Foothill, they
would ask for medium high density. In the medium density area north of
Foothill, west of Rochester, they would request the portion frontlag on
Foothill be redesignated for medium high use. They do not favor the
staff recommendation that the park adjoin the school on Rochester at
Church. Staff recommends that the park be rotated to front on Rochester.
They feel this would impair the development of their greenbelt. At the
southeast corner of Milliken and Base Line the map shows a neighborhood
shopping center. They request that this be relocated to the northeast
corner of Haven and Base Line.
Mr. Milton Francis reviewed a slide presentation. The slide presentation
was to indicate that low density residential areas are not always of
higher quality than high density residential developments. You can have
good or bad design no matter ~at type of development is proposed.
Mr. Gary Frye stated he is present to speak against the drop in density.
In general, the gist of his concerns are similar to Mr. Lewis'. What is
being inferred is that it is good for the city to cut density. He does
not believe anyone should prevent a person who does not own a home from
ow~ing a home. He does not believe that those who are opposed to density
would want to prevent themselves or others from retiring in the City of
Rancho Cucamonga. Many people who now own a large home on a large lot
at some point will want to retire and would preferably want to retire
where they raised their families, and where their children may be raising
their grandchildren. One of the major reasons for incorporation was
that even though much of the city was low density, the quality was not
at a level that people were comfortable with and environmental things
that existed were being destroyed. High density allows for the preservation
of a high quality standard for development. Many people that buy large
homes and large lots are not able to afford to improve the property
which lowers overall property values. To drop density arbitrarily,
without recognizing the impact, will result in a loss to the city of
revenues from new development. What they are proposing in Victoria
meets the needs of the working man in a home that he can afford. Tile
Victoria plan is extremely sensitive to handling density not only in
terms of aesthetics and environmental concerns, but also circulation,
and the impact of circulation on surrounding areas. By reducing density
in Victoria, he cannot see how it will benefit the city, the surrounding
residents, or the people who will buy.
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Mr. Donald Tomkins stated they have always said Etiwanda was important
and they planned their community (Victoria) around Etiwanda. Etiwanda
will be best served if there is a specific plan so they can get both
quality and the quantity that is appropriate to housing. They have
adjusted the Etiwanda side of their plan to provide a buffer for Etiwanda.
They have agreed to the wishes that Victoria Street be closed. They
also support the idea of using Highland and Base Line as the main
east/west corridors for circulation. What they do not support is the
idea of removing the density in their area wilere they have located it in
the highest amenity area. He disagrees with the idea of locating their
high density away from their lakes, parkways, trail systems, and between
the two Southern California Edison corridors. The densities, as proposed
by Sedway/Cooke, are appropriate and allow them to give the quality that
is promised. They need density in order to give the quality.
John Lyons stated one of his major concerns with the planned communities
is the level of traffic. We may all end up in gas station lines again.
He asked if there are horse trails proposed within the Tetra Vista
project.
Mr. Lam stated the Victoria plan addresses horse trails. The Tetra Vista
plan has not been submitted as yet.
Mr. Nell Weslotorn stated the citizens of Etiwanda have met with different
Commissions and have let everyone know of their concerns which he feels
are legitimate. They do have concern about what is being developed for
the larger area of Etiwanda, and those concerns have been expressed.
Mr. Ralph Lewis stated they have had a traffic study made by a recognized
traffic engineer. The study shows that tile density they proposed in
Tetra Vista can be handled by the road system without any strain. This
will be submitted with the text of the planned community.
There being no further comments from the audience, Chairman Dahl closed
the public hearing. tie stated at this time we will discuss the summary
of staff initiated General Plan modifications.
Item A:
Motion: Moved by Commissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner Rempel
to adopt Item "A" as submitted - Modify Victoria Street from Day Creek
Boulevard to Etiwanda Avenue so that it does not continue east of Etiwanda
Avenue but instead intersects southerly with Base Line Road.
AYES:
SCERANKA, REMPEL, KING, TOLSTOY, DAHL
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
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Item B:
Commissioner Seeranks sta~ed in regard to Item "B" and Item "C", in
consideration of the statements made, it may be conceivable to take the
sections west of the new Victoria Street and allow those to retain their
old density. He disagrees with changing the density east of Victoria
and east of Day Creek.
Motion: Moved by Commissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner Rempel
to change Item "B" as follows: Change the area north of the extension
of Victoria to the Foothill Freeway from medium density to low medium
density.
AYES:
SCERANKA, REMPEL, TOLSTOY, DAHL
NOES: KING
ABSENT: NONE
Commissioner King stated it seems if you are going to add density back
into Section "B", the area that Commissioner Sceranka pointed out is an
inappropriate area in that the better area to add the density would be
the northern section of Item "B", as this would be closer to a major
east/west corridor.
Commissioner Rempel stated what you have to realize is that this is a
special boulevard with a park setting whereas that boulevard is not
anticipated to go north.
Commissioner Seeranks stated tile Victoria Parkway is necessary to have
densities that make sense for transit. That area is bounded by the
flood control property, the railroad and Victoria. He cannot see an
effect of significant measure on the Etiwanda community by allowing the
density to retain its old designation. He can only see that it will
help the transit goals. The area to the north of the park and the
school does not have the benefit of that transit.
Motion: Moved by Commissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner Tolstoy
to change the ramainder of area "B", which includes the area to the
south of the extension of Victoria to the railroad tracks to retain the
previous designation of medium density (5-14 dwelling units per acre).
AYES:
SCERANKA, TOLSTOY, REMPEL, DAHL
NOES: KING
ABSENT: NONE
Item C:
Commissioner Sceranka stated Victoria, the railroad tracks, Base Line
and the flood control provide an adequate buffer for Etiwanda and for
the purposes of the plan that this area can retain the previous designation.
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Motion: Moved by Commissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner Rempel
to adopt the staff reconunendation to reduce the density in Section "C"
to medium density (5-14 dwelling units per acre) for the eastern portion
and to retain the high density (25-30 dwelling units per acre) for the
area west of Victoria.
AYES:
SCERANKA, REMPEL
NOES:
KING, TOLSTOY, DAHL
ABSENT: NONE
Motion failed
Commissioner King stated he would agree with everything that is said
about the need to provide affordable housing, the need for density, and
that there are plenty of areas with the Victoria and Tetra Vista projects
where it can be added. However, he believes we should reduce the entire
western portion to the 5-14 area.
Motion: Moved by Commissioner Tolstoy and seconded by Commissioner King
to accept staff recommendation to modify the high density area north of
Base Line between Day Creek Boulevard and Etiwanda Avenue so that the
western portion is reduced from high density to medium high (15-24
dwelling units per acre) and the eastern portion from high density to
medium density (5-14 dwelling units per acre).
AYES:
TOLSTOY, KING, DAHL
NOES:
REFUEL, SCERANKA
ABSENT: NONE
Item D:
Motion: Moved by Commissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner Rempel
to accept staff recommendation to modify the high density area south of
Base Line Avenue between Day Creek Boulevard and Etiwanda Avenue so that
the eastern half of that high density area is reduced from high density
(25-30 dwelling units per acre) to medium density (5-14 dwelling units
per acre).
AYES:
SCERANKA, REMPEL, KING, TOLSTOY, DAHL
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
Item E:
Motion: Moved by Commissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner Tolstoy
to accept the staff recommendation to modify the medium density area
south of Base Line, north of Church and between the Edison easements
from medium density (5-14 dwelling units per acre) to high density (25-
30 dwelling units per acre).
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AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Item F:
Motion:
SCERANKA, TOLSTOY, KING, REMPEL, DAHL
NONE
NONE
Moved by Commissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner Tolstoy
to modify the area as follows - approximately 500' deep along Rochester,
following the line south of the Junior high school designation to low
medium (5-8 dwelling units per acre), with the remainder of the designation
to be retained medium density (5-14 dwelling units per acre).
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Item G:
Motion:
SCERANKA, TOLSTOY, KING, REMPEL, DAHL
NONE
NONE
Moved by Commissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner
Rempel to retain the park designation as now shown at Church Street.
AYES: SCERANKA, REMPEL, TOLSTOY, DAHL
NOES: KING
ABSENT: NONE
Commissioner King stated he is opposed to the motion as he is in favor
of the staff recommendation as proposed.
Item H:
Motion: Moved by Commissioner Rempel and seconded by Commissioner Sceranka
to accept staff recommendation to urge the County to move forward on the
Foothills Specific Plan in order to properly plan the area north of
Etiwanda. Urge close cooperation with the City.
AYES: REMPEL, SCERANKA, KING, TOLSTOY, DAHL
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
Commissioner Tolstoy stated he would like to add that the Council should
be urged to write a few letters, along with staff, residents to the
County urging them to take action on the Specific Plan.
Item I:
Previously actod on.
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Item J:
Commissioner Sceranka stated he does not see the purpose of reducing the
density in the area.
Motion: Moved by Commissioner Sceranka and seconded by Commissioner King
to retain the existing densities of medium (5-14 dwelling units per
acre) for the area between Rochester Avenue and Day Creek Boulevard, on
the west and east, and Victoria Avenue and Base Line on the north and
south adjacent to Rochester; and to retain the existing designation for
the area adjacent to Day Creek. Motion to also include medium density
for the property located at the northeast corner of Base Line and Rochester
(Approximately 22 acres).
AYES:
SCERANKA, KING, REMPEL, TOLSTOY, DAHL
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
11:35 p.m.
11:50 p.m.
The Planning Commission recessed.
The Planning Commission reconvened.
Chairman Dahl asked that the Commission discuss the boundary areas of
the Planned Community. There seems to be a certain amount of misunderstanding
of what the boundaries for the Planned Communities area should be.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated it would be appropriate in the text of the
General Plan that we spell out which areas are planned community areas.
Staff outlined the boundaries of the planned communities for the Victoria
and Tetra Vista projects.
After much discussion, a motion was made by Commissioner Sceranka and
seconded by Commissioner Rempel that the Planned Communities be defined
as the boundaries shown with the exception of the area west of Deer Creek,
to Haven from the railroad tracks to the north, to Church on the south.
Mr. Hogan stated we have recently received a boundary map of the Victoria
planned community. Although it is generally shown 1,000' west of Etiwanda
Avenue, the boundaries are not exactly that. It would be staff's intent
to indicate the boundaries as shown precise from the William Lyon Company.
Chairman Dahl called for the question.
AYES:
SCERANKA, REMPEL, DA||L
NOES: KING, TOLSTOY
ABSENT: NONE
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Commissioner King stated he is opposed to the motion for the same reason
as Commissioner Tolstoy.
REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF PARK AND RECREATION ELEMENT
Bill Holley, Director of Community Services reviewed the staff report in
detail.
Chairman Dahl asked for questions from the Commission of the staff.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked Mr. Holley if he plans to include the Alia Loma
Riding Club recommendations in the text of the General Plan.
Mr. Holley stated it would be appropriate to use their recommendations
as supplement.
Mr. Hogan stated there is going to be substantial revision to the trails
and hiking element. The Commission indicated in the past they wanted to
have the appropriate portions of the text proposed by the Alia Loma
Riding Club to be included into the text with the trails map.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked Mr. Holley if the plan as it is presently
written addresses itself adequately to the acquisition of parks.
Mr. Holley stated no. We have to explore every possible avenue towards
generating revenue, including innovative and creative financing. There
is the possibility of going through a system of revenue bonds throuRh a
joint power authority. That is something that will have to be considered
very carefully by the City as being one of the methods that mLght be
extremely likely for developing and retrofitring parks to the western
part of our city.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated it is his opinion this should be added to
the General Plan as one of the policies to be considered by the City.
Commissioner Sceranka asked that Mr. Holley prepare a list of financial
considerations and bring this back to the Commission for consideration.
Chairman Dahl opened the public hearing.
Mr. Joe Dilorio stated there is no significant problem with the goals in
the General Plan but implementation is really the issue. As far as City
parks, there has been a fairly decent effort put forth. In developing
tracts and planned communities it is necessary to look at the recreational
aspects which traditionally tend to take a back seat.
There being no further comments from the audience, the public hearing
was closed.
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Motion: Moved by Commissioner Tolstoy and seconded by Commissioner King
to accept the staff report as presented with the addition of the financial
considerations to c~me back for further review.
AYES:
TOLSTOY, KING, REMPEL, SCERANKA, DAHL
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
REVI~ OF DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT
Motion: It was the consensus of the Commission to continue review of
the draft environmental impact report to the next General Plan meeting.
Motion: Moved by Rempel, seconded by Tolstoy, carried unanimously, to
adjourn.
1:00 a.m.
The Planning Commission adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
JACK LAM, Secretary
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CITY OF RANCHO CUCAbiONGA
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
Adjourned Regular Meeting
February 5, 1981
CALL TO ORDER
Vice-chairman, Jeff Sceranka, called the adjourned regular City of
Rancho Cucamonga Planning Commission meeting, held at the Lion's Park
Community Center, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, to order at
7:07 p.m. Following the call to order, Vice-chairman, Sceranka led the
pledge to the flag.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT:
COMMISSIONERS: Jeffrey King, Herman Rempel, Peter Tolstoy,
Jeff Sceranka
ABSENT:
COMMISSIONERS: Richard Dahl (Excused)
STAFF PRESENT:
Batty K. Hogan, City Planner; Ted Hopson, City Attorney;
Joan Kruse, Secretary; Jack Lnm, Director of Community
Development
Mr. Lam, Director of Community Development, explained the agenda stating
that the EIR for the VIctoria Project had been continued from the previous
meeting of February 2, 1981. He then went into a recap of the VIctoria
Plan to date. He also explained that because the General Plan has
progressed, it was now possible to go on with the Victoria Planned
Community hearing.
Mr. Hogan, City Planner, provided background for the discussion explaining
that this agenda is a compilation of reports that had been prepared for
the Planning Commission's review. Mr. Hogan followed with a recap of
the staff reports relative to land use. circulation, parks and open
space.
Commissioner Sceranka asked if there was a preference by the Commission
to go on to the next section or deal with this section before they go on
to another.
Commissioner King asked Mr. Hogan to discuss the adjustments made to
density.
Mr. Hogan replied that there were changes to the boundary in the Planned
Community area resulting in a reduction of units from 9850 to 8924. The
total acres of residential were changed from 1035 to 851~. Mr. Hogan
indicated that the area near the Pacific Electric Railroad, Flood Control
Channel, lumber yard, and the area south nf Base Line would have to be
adjusted.
Commissioner King stated that because of boundary changes density has
been reduced. He wanted to know how much more was the result of General
Plan changes and asked for an estimate.
Mr. Hogan replied that he could not give him an estimate at the moment
but could get the figures for him.
Commissioner Tolstoy also asked for these figures. Further, be thought
it would be good to have them broken out of the total.
Vice-chairman Sceranka opened the public hearing.
Mr. John Scherb, representing the MyohoJi Temple, stated that prior to
the cessation of meetings in November, it had been planned that they
would be meeting with the applicant. He indicated that they had met and
there were new avenues of approach to leaving the Temple area spared of
traffic and noise encroachment resulting from this development. He
restated the necessity for a perimeter road, and careful study of its
placement because of the eucalyptus trees along the west boundary. He
also indicated that perimeter landscaping would be necessary. Mr.
Scherb asked what the uses would be under the regional-related category
and how land development would affect the Temple. He stated that although
he is interested in the perimeter question his main concern was the west
perimeter.
Mr. John Lyons, 11984 Dorset, Etiwanda, stated that his concern is that
Rochester will be opened through to Church. He further stated that
people living In this area would not like to see this happen.
Mr. Gary Frye, 9613 Arrow Hwy., Rancho Cucamonga, stated that it was
their intention to come back on the 26th of February to clarify those
areas relative to land use and did not |lave comments on these areas
specifically at th~s time. Mr. Frye commented that he felt tile quest[on
on regional-related uses was one of clarification, not so much on what
these uses would be, but rather, on traffic management for 'this use. lie
felt that this would be done and asked what kind of detail staff wants
ti~em to come back with on regional-related uses.
He indicated that the portion of the EIR that deals with regional-
related uses could be found on pages 154-156 and if more was wanted he
felt that it could be related to traffic. He asked for clarification on
this point.
Mr. Frye also asked for clarification on the buffering along Base Line
Road relative to commercial uses and stated that he was not sure they
could stipulate how that property will be after development.
He talked about the Planned Community boundary map and the change of
designation of land use east of Victoria Parkway. He stated that they
will come back on the treatment of Highland Avenue but indicated that
they felt it would be given a rural flavor.
Mr. Lam commented on Base Line Road indicating that tilere should probably
be some adjustment on the higher density there. Further, that there was
a question on whether the density on Etiwanda Avenue would affect Base Line
and asked if the Planning Commission was still interested in seeing tl~e
lay out along Base Line.
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Mr. Hogan indicated his concern with how design uses along Base Line
would coincide with the design of the commercial center.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated he felt that the design would be dictated by
the planned community standards, even if it was not in the planned
community. He indicated that the commercial center along Victoria
Parkway could be designed to have a rural atmosphere and thought that
would be an excellent theme.
Commissioner King stated that he did not agree with Commissioner Tolstoy
on both points. He felt that on both Eriwanda and Base Line ir was un-
necessary to see what treatment would be given'at this point in time.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he could not imagine failing to look at
how things occur right outside of the Victoria Planned Community boundary.
Further, that even if the Planning Commission is not obliged at this
point to look at the perimeter, they should be.
Commissioner Rempel stated that he was in agreement with Commissioner
King; however, he stated that some kind of design has to be blocked our.
On the shopping center, he felt that a theme design should be submitted
and it would be well for the Planning Commission ro make some plan to
see how ideas are going.
Mr. Lam asked if what the Commission meant was some graphic displays to
see how certain design elements could be transitioned.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he thought it would be important to see
how it would relate ro the planned community especially along Base
He further stated that a new character is being assigned to Base Line
and the Commission needs to see what they are doing to
Commissioner Sceranka stated that pages 180-181 show vignettes and how
density relates and translates. He thought that Mr. Frye could point
out other vlgnetres.
Mr. Hogan stated that pages 79-83 have an illustrative concept plan in
detail and that page 83 is a more simpllstic version for the commercial
center.
Commissioner Tolstoy srared chat he would like to see a typical perspective
as you would then know what you are going to geC. If the design was not
coming through, they could then tell the applicant to rethink it. He
indicated that ir would be important to have Day Creek Boulevard, Highland,
Base Line, and Foothill done and that all these areas were nor included.
Commissioner Sceranka asked, if in terms of Day Creek, the Commission
was looking at the edge treatment and exterior of the project.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he was interested in the exterior edges
along Day Creek Boulevard, MLllikcn and Base Line.
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Mr. Hogan stated that this would give the Commission an idea of what the
buildings would look like With design and landscaping.
Commissioner Tolstoy agreed and stated that it would have to be to
scale.
Mr. Frye stated that they would be happy to accommodate the Planning
Commission. He then spoke about the land use and zoning. He indicated
that there are some things within the regional center that could change
depending on the development all around it. Further, that he did not
want to spend a lot of time and money today on something now that still
had the possibility of changing. Mr. Frye stated that they would in-
corporate a theme in the text to conform to whatever the Planning Commission
desired.
On pages 158-162, Mr. Frye stated that he wanted to establish concurrence
in landscaping approach and what trees would be used internally and
externally.
Mr. Frye spoke about the entrance treatment that would allow people to
know they were making a transition into Victoria, as they go along the
street.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that it really doesn't show what the character
would be along the street and does not relate to how it would transition.
Mr. Frye replied that it would depend on who develops first along Base
Line and part of the answer is on Page 157.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that he had a serious question about Roing
Into the plan in detail. He stated that he is having trouble with
getting into that level of detail at thls time.
Commissioner Rempel stated that Mr. Frye has no control over the last
1000' along Base Line and so can really show it.
Mr. Frye stated that this would almost be like a site plan review.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked if he could make one more stab and stated
that you don't have control over the last 1000 feet, but what if someone
comes in and says he would like to develop it. When the Planning Commission
reviews the plan they need to see if it will properly relate.
Mr. Don Tomkins of SWA stated that if the Commission was concerned with
an inconsistency gap, that might be a problem. If the two planned areas
are consistent, the Commission should be able to get detail and specifics
in the treatment that will be used.
Mr. Frye asked if Commissioner Tolstoy was looking at specific plans and
material.
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Commissioner Tolstoy replied that he was pretty sure it would be this
way but was concerned with block walls, mounding or columnar type walls.
Mr. Hogan asked Commissioner Tolstoy to look at page 139 to see if that
is what he wanted.
Commissioner Tolstoy replied that this is what he wanted because you can
then look to what proposal is being submitted to see how it will match.
Mr. Frye stated that it will not be effective in this planned community
but should go into the Etiwanda Specific Plan.
There was further discussion relative to the edge condition and how this
would follow along Etiwanda Avenue, Base Line and that intersection.
Mr. Hogan went into the circulation portion of the Victoria Planned
Community and reviewed the four items that were presented in the staff
report. He discussed the "A" land uses and looped streets stating that
this could be resolved through more illustrative planning.
Commissioner King stated that he had a couple of additions -- the Church
Street aspect and his concern with Day Creek Boulevard at the Intersection
of Foothill Boulevard. He stated that he wished to have this Issue
addressed.
Mr. Hogan replied that the City Engineer, in a previous report, had
Indicated that this area needs to be looked at further through more
detailed studies.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that he would like to see the type and
traffic flow from the project to the rest of the community. Further,
that there has been a lot of discussion about work traffic, etc. and
felt that the outlying areas also needed to be addressed.
Commissioner Tolstoy hoped that we have made a commitment on Etlwanda
Avenue and that there was a need to know how traffic there will be
handled along the east side.
Commissioner Sceranka expressed his concern about the impact of traffic
both on the east and west side of Etiwanda Avenue and along Base Line.
Mr. John Lyons came forward and asked about the corner of Rochester and
Foothill. He wanted to know if a traffic signal could be installed
there. He reiterated that he was against opening Church Street to
Rochester but that if it was, he hoped that it would become a signalized
intersection.
Vice-chairman Sceranka asked that Mr. Lyons meet and discuss this with
Clty Staff.
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Commissioner Tolstoy asked if in light of all the discussion on Church
Street traversing the Rochester Tract, if it would be appropriate to
discuss this at this time.
Mr. Hogan stated that they will come back to this issue.
8:25 p.m. The Planning Commission recessed.
8:35 p.m. The Planning Commission reconvened.
Mr. Hogan reviewed tile Parks and Open Space section of the Victoria
Planned Community as set forth in the staff report.
Mr. Lam added to this review with philosophical questions to be resolved
such as does the lake edge belong to only those people living adjacent
to it or to the entire community.
Commissioner King stated that he would like to know how density reduction
relates to parks. He felt that there needed to be some discussion of
the deficiency and whether it is better to have community open space to
combine it with other areas for a larger total area.
Mr. Hogan stated that perhaps this is a philosophical discussion wilere
you would have development credit for certain amen|ties. The credit,
Mr. Hogan stated, is issued only after the developer has provided land
or a fee.
Mr. Hopson stated he thought Mr. King was asking if you change to reflect
clustering or do you spread it out to an open area.
Mr. Lain replied that tilts is something that tilts is a value Judgement
that tile Planning Commission has to answer.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked if the lake front was thought to be for use
of people within the City or Just the Planned Community?
Mr. Lam stated that from the very beginning, staff considered the lakes
for the residents of the entire City.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that it adds an amenity for people all over
the City to enjoy and that they don't need teeter totters or swings
because just walking around the lake would be a treat. Further, that
picnic tables and the like would be encouraged as recreational uses in
this area.
Commissioner Rempel agreed.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that the issue of swimming in the lake also
needed to be addressed and cited the way the City of Woodbridge developed
such an area.
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Mr. Frye stated that they will come back with answers to the areas and
questions raised by the Commission. He further stated that he agreed
with Barry Hogan relative to the specifics and felt that more time
needed to be spent on parks. He stated that they would prefer to come
back with these answers on March 12.
Mr. Hogan stated that infrastructure and design must also be reviewed.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked about a timetable for development.
Mr. Hogan replied that there is a schedule for phasing contained within
the text.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked if the lakes and tile village is built how
much of Victoria Parkway will be built.
Mr. Hogan replied that there will be conditions that will be included
prior to submittal of the Planned Community to the City Council for
approval which will detail those requirements. Further, staff would not
like to see only residential development going in without the parks
being built. He stated that a phasing plan must be worked out for this
and other amenities within the project.
Mr. Hogan stated that the Commission will be provided with a detailed
review and total picture of the Victoria Planned Community. Mr. Hogan
then stated that February 26 has been set for another meeting where
answers and exhibits will be provided for those areas discussed at this
meeting with the exception of the parks and open space areas. March 12
has been set for a meeting to discuss parks and open space infrastructure
and design criteria with March 26 set to discuss regulations and implementation
and the EIR. ||e indicated tbat if everytiling proceeds on scbedule,
April 9th would conceivably be the time when the project is recommended
To the City Council for their action. Mr. Hogan further stated that
February 17 was scheduled for The last General Plan meeting with a
recommendation to the City Council from the Planning Commission.
Motion: Moved by Rempel, seconded by Tolstoy, carried unanimously, to
adopt the dates for the various meetings as proposed by Mr. Hogan.
GENERAL PLAN - E.I.R.
Mr. Hogan stated that a matrix had been prepared from the EIR for second
portion of the February 9 meeting. He explained how mitigation measures
would be incorporated within the EIR and gave examples of development,
run off, and percolation.
Mr. Hogan then explained the SCAG 208 program, the federal requirements,
and the standards which have been set to guarantee quality of water for
this area.
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CommisSioner Tolstoy stated that when this community was originally
formed it was primarily an agricultural community which now has a new
use. He further stated that the EIR was written to those problems that
occurred in the transition from farming to an urban area. Mr. Tolstoy
stated further that an EIR should not be written to meet the letter of
the law and then to be put on a shelf and forgotten. He indicated that
it needs to be read again and to be kept before the City Council,
Community and Planning Commission to be sure that somethinE will be done
about it. He felt that one of the first things that must be addressed
is keeping the mitigating factors before the Planning Commission.
Mr. Hogan stated that Commissioner Tolstoy brought up a good point -
that the EIR is a good design tool. He further indicated that what
makes this EIR different than others is that it relies heavily on the
General Plan text and the problem areas are mitigated through the text.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he felt a portion of the staff report
should address this as projects come before the Commission.
City Attorney Hopson stated that this is really a funciton of staff.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that he did not want to lose the import of
what the EIR was saying in the years ahead.
Mr. Hogan stated that the way to retain this is through creative, innovative
use of the Zoning Ordinance in order to protect the City in those areas.
Further, that if the EIR is not going to be used, it should not be in
the General Plan. He indicated that this is a general EIR for tire whole
CIty and perhaps at some future time specific EIRs may be required Eo
develop more information for certain areas and suggested that focused
EIRs could be used for this purpose.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that the most significant issue is the
sociological impact on the City that is being proposed by the General
Plan inasmuch as the City is coming out of the agricultural pattern of
the past into a urbanized community. Further, that during the past
years there have been tremendous pattern changes in the sociological
aspects of the community that have had a negative effect. Commissioner
5ceranka stated that it is easy to sit on the Planning Commission and
discuss residential, industrial areas, the affordability of housing and
rationalize these issues, but it does not mitigate the emotional and
psychological impacts on their life styles. Further, that what the
Planning Commission is saying is that growth is inevitable.
Commissioner Sceranka indicated that there is a need So address the
impacts that occur with further growth and densities. He felt that
these issues are not adequately addressed and stated that he would like
to see more serious emphasis on this.
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Commissioner Tolstoy stated his agreement with Commissioner Sceranka but
indicated that he felt that these areas have been addressed. He felt
that anytime the Commission hears an issue that is somewhat controversial
that draws people from the community to the hearing, the Commission has
addressed the issue because their concerns are mitigated. He gave an
example of a recent hearing involving a church, the Roberrs Group proposal,
and the Etiwanda area addressed in the General Plan hearings.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that as a result of the Etiwanda hearings,
densities were reduced around the Victoria project. Further, that the
Planning Commission has been sensitive to the concerns of the residents
and how development and progress affects them. He indicated that he
hoped the Planning Commission would remember the EIR and know what the
sensitive issues are on these and do their own mitigating on the issues.
Commissioner Rempel stated that the concerns of the community are being
addressed as each issue comes before the Planning Commission and that
the Planning Commission is concerned and addresses the sociological
aspects.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that when you speak of the rural character
of Etiwanda, densities and traffic, school impact|on and protection of
school sites you are touching on an area that a lot of people think can
be prevented from changing. He indicated that many don't think this
needs to be changed and the Planning Commission doesn't need to put
denslty on major streets and he knows that he must say to them that
these are levels of life that must be accepted and that this does have
an affect on and change the community. Further, that it doesn't matter
how riglit the Planning Commission is or what clio justifications are, It
is important that the Community helps in providing as much information
as possible to aid in making the correct decisions.
Mr. Hogan indicated that item can be added to the EIR. He indicated
that what the Commission is talking about is outside the physical impact
of this project and he did not think it appropriate to go into the
sociological effects, nor is it required legally.
Commissioner King stated that from a practical standpoint what they are
doing as projects and persons come before the Commission is to create a
buffer, and it is an attempt to minimize the culture shock. He further
stated that this is the whole purpose of what the process is about.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that this does not address noise and he does
not agree with attenuation. Further, that perhaps the EIR should be
looked at even though the minimum legal requirements are met.
Commissioner Rempel stated that you cannot address every person in this
community. He indicated that there are general terms and this is what
tile Commission is trying to answer.
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mere being no further co~ents, the public portion was closed.
Motion: Moved by Rempel, seconded by Tolstoy, carried nnantmously,
adjourn to February 9, 1981.
9:50 p.m. The Planning Commission adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
JACK ~, Secretary
Planning Commission Mlnuteg
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CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
Adjourned Regular Meeting
April 2, 1981
CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Richard Dahl called the Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Rancho
Cucamonga Planning Commission, held in the Alia Loma High School Cafeteria,
to order at 7:10 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Jeffrey King, Herman Rempel, Jeff Sceranka, Peter Tolstoy,
R~chard Dahl
Absent: None
Staff Present:
Tim Beedie, Senior Planner; Barry K. Hogan, City Planner;
Ted Hopson, Assistant City Attorney; Joan Kruse, Administrative
Secretary; Jack Lam, Director of Community Development;
Paul Rougeau, Senior Civil Engineer
City Planner, Batty Hogan, reviewed the staff report, and highlighting
changes to the Victoria text. He explained that the text of the Victoria
Planned Community has been reviewed for consistency with the General
Plan goals and desires of the Victoria Planned Community. Mr. Hognn
stated that the dwelling unit count per village had been adjusted to
those areas to be consistent with the General Plan designations.
Mr. Hogan then explained that the tentative track filing and Design
Review process will be part of the implementation of the Victoria Plan.
He also explained the Draft EIR and the mitigation measures have been
incorporated into the conditions of approval of the Victoria Plan.
Mr. Hogan stated that attached was a report dated April 1, 1981, from
Kenneth A. Reynolds, A.I.C.P., regarding the public utility transmission
lines.
Mr. Hogan then went over the changes that had been added to the conditions
of approval.
Commissioner King stated that on the resolution land use, and regional-
related, was talked about with the possibility of being periodically
reviewed because there is too much acreage in this category, and that
the City may decide to do something else with it. He felt that general
provision No. I should be modified to allow for a contingency that if it
is decided that there is too much land, it would be able to be used for
residential purposes.
Mr. Hogan replied that if we decKde there is too much reg[onal-r~lated
there would need to be an amendment to another land use.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked if this is a regular occurrence.
Mr. Hogan replied that Victoria should be viewed in some aspects like a
General Plan. Further, that the changes should reflect the conditions
in the market, etc., and should be reviewed to see if the product types
are responding to the needs of the community. He indicated that this
would be brought up at that time for review of both the Planning Commission
and the City Council.
Commissioner Tolstoy asked if this would be done annually.
Mr. Hogan replied that it would be reviewed generally on an annual
basis.
Commissioner King asked about the affordable housing definition and
whether the only way a developer would be sble to get a density bonus
would be through the development of one portion of a multi-phase project.
Mr. Hogan explained that the tentative tract map would be used as a tool
to determine whether the product is affordable and that a density bonus
based on the guarantee of the conditions of approval on the tentative
tract map.
Commissioner King stated that he did not know how a developer could
guarantee an affordable price given that definition.
Mr. Gary Frye, representing the William Lyon Company, explained the
difference in guaranteelag affordable housing and stated that price is
not tile sole issue in affordability. He explained how households are
Identified by income and that their definition is related to the unit
sold to someone whose income is in the affordable range.
Mr. Frye stated that another marketing tool that a lender has is a land
lease program, to help in getting the price of housing down.
Commissioner King asked how the density bonus issue would be resolved.
Mr. Frye replied that he had not gone that far in his thinking and was
not prepared to say right now how he sees it. Further, that he felt
that staff had not done their ground work either. He indicated that
they have adequately addressed needs and set the definition but the
question remained --how do you monitor.
Mr. Lam stated that what Mr. Frye has said is that the issue of implemen-
tation of affordability would relate not only to the planned community
but was a city-wide issue.
Commissioner King stated that it would seem that in the definition we
accept risks in the various methods of Implementation and before a given
definition is accepted, they should think about how it will be Implemented.
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Chairman Dahl stated that he is totally opposed to density bonuses for
any affordable housing and especially for any single tract housing.
However, because of the 10-15 year build out in the planned community
and not knowing what will happen he would have to be in favor of the
density bonus.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that he would prefer that page 3 No. 14
stated may be allowed rather than shall be allowed.
Chairman Dahl opened the public hearing.
Mr. Frye stated that he concurred with the changes and conditions that
staff recommended in its report and the changes that were recommended at
this meeting, including Commissioner Sceranka's recommendation.
Commissioner King asked that in talking about increasing the units at a
given percentage and going back to page 233 where it talks about the
amount of increase in each village, in order to increase the optimum
yield of any village by 20-25%, would it require a General Plan amendment?
Mr. Hogan replied that it would not.
Commissioner King asked that this be explained.
Mr. Hogan replied that Mr. King should not go by the revised text but by
the resolution since there will be build out over 10-15 years. He
indicated that there are changes in the market that cannot be predicted
and this particular provision allows some defined flexibility by the
developer to modify his plan in a minor way. He explained what page
232, No. 2 meant and defined the ranges in which changes my occur. He
indicated tbat the changes could be reviewed by Design Review and further,
the option that the full Commission may also review these modifications.
Commissioner King stated that this seems to be more than a minor deviation
and that if they wanted to add 25 percent it could take him in excess of
the number allowed in the General Plan.
Mr. Hogan explained that the total number of units allowed in the planned
community are 8255 and the developer would have to adjust to come up
with fewer units in another area.
Mr. Lam stated that the General Plan has a section with the Victoria
boundary as a planned community. Further, the density ranges assume
that the planned community is not there. He indicated that the Planning
Commission is looking upon this as a planned area as long as the boundary
and density do not vary.
Chairman Dahl stated that he was sure that because of the difficulty In
working with the people from Etiwanda, these densities would not be
changed to increase the planned community area.
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Commissioner Tolstoy asked if, for some reason, some of the regional-
related was changed to residential would the increase in residential
units have to be resolved elsewhere.
Mr. Hogan stated that it would be added to the Victoria Plan.
Chairman Dahl stated that circulation would have to change.
Commissioner Tolstoy stated that the Victoria Plan is predicated only on
these areas for housing and if additions take place, it will have to be
,a pretty large one.
There being no further comments for or against this item, the public
hearing was closed.
Commissioner Sceranka indicated that page 249 should be 248 and wanted
clarification of what was meant by these classifications on residential
and commercial. He asked if that was the property line.
Mr. Hogan explained that the chart was to show situations that may occur
and how the plan would deal with them.
Commissioner Sceranka asked if the 15-foot typical setback meant that it
must average 15 feet.
Mr. tlogan replied yes, that it cannot go more or less than 10 feet.
Commissioner Sceranka stated that it is not a IS-foot average setback.
Mr. Hogan replied that this is correct.
Motion: Moved by Rempel, seconded by Tolstoy, carried unanimously, to
adopt the Resolution of Approval with the modifications proposed.
Commissioner Tolstoy, speaking for the Conanission, stated that it has
been a pleasure working with Mr. Frye and the SWA Group. He indicated
that they have been through a very long process and have gone a long way
together.
Chalrman Dahl read the title of the resolution stating that this is now
being recommended to the City Council for their adoption and includes
passing the text of the planned community, its regulations and zoning,
as well as the Draft EIR, as amended.
Commissioner Sceranka corrected the title of the Resolution stating that
its location is generally west of Etiwanda Avenue, not east.
The Commission thanked the developer, citizens, city manager, and staff
for the work that had been put in this project.
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Mr. Hogan reiterated for those people who were in attendance and for the
record that what had Been completed at this meeting was the recommendation
for approval to the City Council which would occur on a future agenda
shortly after the General Plan has received final adoption. He stated
that the City Council will be requested to review and accept this
recommendation.
8:00 p.m. The Planning Commission recessed.
8:10 p.m. The Planning Commission reconvened.
Mr. Hogan stated that comments have been received from the Office of
Planning and Research relative to the General Plan.
Tim Beedie, Senior Planner gave the staff report indicating that the
State's comments were of a general nature, were supportive of the
document, and had a few ideas for clarification. Additionally, there
were some minor errors of omission that have been corrected with revised
pages added to the text of the General Plan.
Commissioner Sceranka asked if a letter had yet been received from Mr.
Jerry Enomoto regarding seismic safety.
Mr. Hogan replied that it had not yet been received.
Chairman Dahl opened the public hearing.
There being no further comments the public hearing was closed.
Motion: Moved by Sceranka, seconded by Rempel, carried unanimously, to
adopt the recommendations of staff relative to the revisions to the
General Plan.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Motion:
adjourn.
COMMISSIONERS:
COMMISSIONERS:
COMMISSIONERS:
Moved by Sceranka, seconded by Rempel, carried unanimously,
SCERANKA, REMPEL, KING, TOLSTOY, D~IL
NONE
NONE -carried-
tO
8:15 p.m.
Respectfully ~ubmitted,
The Planning Commission adjourned.
JACK LAM, Secretary
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CITY OF RANCHO CUt.,t~MONGA
MEMORANDUM
September 26, 1980
To:
From:
Subject:
Barry Hogan, City Planner
Bill Holley, Director, Community Services Department
Victoria Community Plan
1977
This memorandum addresses the above referenced project with
respect to provision of parks, open space and recreation
facilities. Comments are based upon a study of the document
The Victoria Community Plan, by the William Lyon Company as
submitted to the City in June of 1980; discussions with Gary Frye
of the William Lyon Company; and, discussions with City Planning
staff.
The Requirements
Proceeding under the assumption that the population projections
cited in the Plan on page ll5 are valid, the project will generate
a population of 22,895. The standards for park and recreation
facilities in subdivision, as set forth in Ordinance 105', applied
to this project's projected population indicate that provision of
114.47 acres of park and recreational land will be required.
22~895
lO00 x 5 = 114.47
The Plan proposes, on page llO, to meet this requirement through
the provision of llO acres of public park lands divided between
parks, 30 acres; lakes, 40 acres; linear parks, 35 acres; and
community trails, 5 acres. The Plan also lists a private member-
ship recreation facility of lO acres.
The Plan, as proposed, satisfies g6% of the public park lands
requirement. The private membership recreation center is not
given credit toward the requirement as it falls outside the
prescribed standards in Ordinance 105, Section 3(F) (2) (3),**
being voluntary, and operated by way of initiation fees and monthly
dues. ***
The Parks
The parks, Groves, Vineyards, and Windrows, would appear very
appropriate .... when planned and used in conjunction with school
sites as proposed in the Plan. This is pointedly demonstrated by
Windrows Park. Should the school not materialize, this park,
centered within a low medium residential setting could not support
a reasonable variety of recreational opportunities for the 5,960
residents of Windrow Village, having only the lake and it's edges
available.
Y
memo 9/26/80
to: B. Hogan
from: B. Holley
subj: Victoria Community Plan
pg 2
The Victoria Parkway
The Victoria Parkway as a concept, and as presented in the plan also appears
appropriate. The treatment of the linear park, with it's meandering bicycle/
pedestrian trails would provide a pleasant recreational opportunity to the
residents of the Plan, as well as a nice visual relief. Care must, however,
be exercised in circulation planning to insure that the Parkway would not
attract a burdensome vehicular traffic load.
The Community Trails
The Community Trail System concept as described in the Plan is satisfactory
and should benefit the Project.
The Lakes
The concept of the lakes is very interesting. It would be appropriate, however,
to have this portion of the plan studied by a firm independent of the William
Lyon Co., with expertise in the areas of lake construction and maintenance.
That expertise is not available within City staff resources. An important
factor in this portion of the Plan is recognizing that the main recreational
function of the lakes is visual not active. It must also be recognized that
36% of the project's park and recreation requirement is proposed to be met
through the lake system. From my perspective, this type of balance between
active and passive is not only acceptable, but desirable.
Meetinq the City Park Requirements (page 227 V.C.P.)
The first three paragraphs are acceptable as presented. The fourth paragraph
needs a rewrite to the effect of indicating that a dollar for dollar development
credit would be given toward the park requirement, but no credit would be given
the Lyon Co. for the lands owned by Southern California Edison or San Bernardino
County Flood Control District.
Recommendations:
Recommendations would be as follows:
That the Lakes portion of the project be studied apart from the
William Lyon Co. with regard to construction, maintenance.
Along this same line, the questions should be specifically addressed
regarding availability of lake fill water and the reliability of
that availability.
The Schools and the Park should be designed as a unit with agreements
between the City and the Districts covering maintenance and use.
The maintenance of all public open space is to be maintained by a
special assessment district, as called for in the Plan.
memo 9/26/80
to: B. Hogan
from: B. Holley
subj: Victoria Community Plan
pg 3
4. The 4.47 acre deficit in meeting the park requirement must be
added into the plan.
If I can provide further information, let me know.
BH/mw
Ordinance 105, Section 2(E) Standards for Dedication. The amount of land
to be dedicated or the fees to be paid shall bear a reasonable relationship
to the use of benefits of the park and recreation facilities by the future
residents of the subdivision. The City Council hereby establishes a ratio
of five {5) park acres to one thousand {1,O00) population, in accordance
with the adopted Park and Recreation Element of the City's General Plan.
Ordinance 105, Section 3 (F) Park and Recreational Land Credit for Planned
Communities. Where private open space for park and recreational purposes is
provided in a planned community and portions of or all such space is to be
privately owned and maintained by the future residents of the planned community,
credit against the requirement of dedication for park and recreational purposes,
as set forth in Section 2{G) shall be determined through the adoption of the
planned community text provided, however, that the park standard for said planned
community is the same as for any other development and that the Planning Commission
finds it is in the public interest to do so, and that the following standards are
met:
(1)
(2) ~h~t't~e'p~i~a~e'ownership and maintenance of the open space is
adequately provided for by written agreement; and
(3) That the use of the private open space is restricted for park and
recreational purposes by recorded covenants which run with the land in favor of
the future owners of the property within the tract; and
(4) ......
(5) ......
A COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER (page 78, V.C.P.) - At the north end of North
Victoria Lake, on both sides of Victoria Parkway, a community recreation facility
will be located ......... Membership in this club will be open to all
Victoria residents, and will be voluntary, with initiation fees and monthly dues.
DATE:
TO:
FRO/I:
BY:
SUBJECT:
CITY OF RANCHO CUC .IL)NGA
STAFF RF. PORT
September 29~ 1980
Planning Commission
Jack Lam, Director of Community Development
Batty K. Hogan, City Planner
P.C. 80-01 - VICTORIA - WILLIAM LYON COMPANY:
TOPIC LAND USE
1977
ABSTRACT: As the Planning Commission will recall at your last meeting of
9-16-80, we established the review period of two weeks between meetin s with
the first meeting to begin September 29, 1980 covering 1} land use 2t cir-
culation and 3) parks/open space. The second meeting was to be non-specific
as to topic and was to be held in the Etiwanda area on a Saturday. We have
reserved the Etiwanda Community Room on Etiwanda Avenue for Saturday, October
ll, 1980 from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m.
From our report of September 16, 1980 you can see the topics to be discussed
under the land use portion of the Victoria Review. They are:
· Statistical summary
· Land use analysis
· Four villages comparisons
This report will analyze the specific sections of. the plan and text as they
relate to land use and provide suggested conditions of approval for the
problem areas. It must be remembered that this is part of a larger whole
and should not stand alone.
DISCUSSION: The stipulations of the Planned Community Ordinance requires
the applicant to:
Design and develop all uses in the Planned Community in a
manner comparable with and competitive to existing and
potential development in the general vicinity.
All development shall relate harmoniously to the topography
and make suitable provisions for preservation of water courses,
drainage areas, wooded areas, rough terrain and similar natural
features.
3. Submit a development plan identifying areas in the plan,
indicating scheduling for ~evelopment.
The applicant has provided the basic material necessary for land use in
accordance with the Ordinance.
STATISTICAL SUMMARY:
below:
Taken from page 109-115 is the statistical summary
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September 29, 1980
P.C. 80-01
Page 2
These calculations are based on planimeter readings and are subject to
corrections based on an accurate survey.
LAND USE ACREAGE
1. Con~nercial
Regional Center (including lakes within Regional
Center area only)
Regional Related Commercial
Village Commercial Centers
Acres
100
210
50
Community Facilities
Schools
Potential Civic Uses:
Fire, Police, Transit Station
Churches
30
30
10
Parks, Lakes and Community Trails
Village Parks (The Groves, The Vineyards, The
Windrows, including lake in Windrows Park}
Lakes and Lake Edges (Village of Victoria Lakes
only, not including lakes in Retional Center
area)
Victoria Linear Park (Not including paved area
of Victoria Parkway}
Community Trails
Private Community Recreation Facility
30
4O
35
5
10
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Unimproved Open Space
Southern California Edison Corridors
Day Creek Channel: Flood Control Basin
Southern Pacific Right-Of-Way
Acres
160
100
30
Roads
Day Creek 81vd.. Milliken, Highland, Base Line,
Foothill
Local Feeder Roads
Victoria Parkway (pavement width)
Other roads: Miller, Victoria Loop, Etiwanda Ave.
Victoria Street
120
60
lO
45
6. Extstinq Land Uses
Heublein, Lumberyard, Nichiren Church, etc.
4O
Residential Land Uses
Land Use/Density Range Acres
"A" Windrow Residential 2-3 du/A 165
"B" Single Family 7-15 du/A 530
"C" Single Family 7-15 du/A 175
"D" Garden Apt./Condominium
15-25 du/A 105
"E" Town Apt./Condominium 25-35
du/A 50
"F" Town Center 35-40 du/A lO
Totals 1,035
Optimum Yield
450 Units
3,150 Units
2,150 Units
2,100 Units
1.600 Units
400 Units
9.850 Units
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LAND USE ANALYSIS: In order to evaluate each of the land uses proposed for
Victoria this section will proceed in the same order as the Statistical Summary.
1. Commercial: The location of the Regional Center has been established
as Planning Commission and City Council preference at previous meetings
regarding the proposed General Plan. The size of the Center is determined
by the ultimate projected service demands of the Region. In this case the
Regional Center developer, Ernest Hahn, proposes six major department stores
with related facilities on lO0_+acres. The Regional Center anchors Victoria
Planned Community. The details of the specific design have not been worked
out at this point in the Planning process and will require further consider-
ation by the City at a later date.
Suggested Condition: Prior to consideration of specific designs for the
Regional Center a focused E.I.R. shall be prepared on the issues of traffic,
aesthetics and long and short term impacts of the proposed project.
Reqional Related Commercial: It appears that there is an in ordinate
amount of Regional Related {R/R) land use. However, in researching other
Regional Centers of this type there are large amounts of R/R useage within
close proximity. Because it is difficult to predict precisely the appro-
priate amount of R/R to designate for this area. Page 150-156 of the Victoria
DEIR indicates a range of acreage projected based on projected future demand
i.e. 111-246 ac.; the Plan provides 210 ac. Because this is such a unknown
area we suggest that 210 acres is appropriate at this time, but should be
reviewed periodically to insure that our projections are still accurate.
Suqqested Condition: The development process and regional demand for
the Regional Related area shall be periodically reviewed to determine the
continued viability of the amount of acreage proposed. This review shall
not be more than three years apart and begin after the opening of the
Regional Center.
Commercial Centers (V.C.C.): There are four V.C.C. proposed.
~)lla,e corner
Southwest of Highland and Milliken; 2) Northeast corner of Base
Line and Milliken; 3) Southwest corner of Day Creek and Highland; and 4)
Northwest corner of Base Line and Victoria Parkway. As stated in the
Interim General Plan for Rancho Cucamonga Neighborhood Centers or V.C.C.
draw from a population service area of lO,OOO+ people. In locating V.C.C.
the City should look at how best these centers'~ill serivce Victoria and the
adjacent areas. The Center at the southwest corner of Highland and Milliken
is located well to service Victoria and areas north of Highland. The Center
located at the Southwest corner of Day Creek and Highland is located well to
service Victoria and north and east Etiwanda areas. The Center at the north-
west corner of Base Line and Victoria parkway is a smaller Center and will
service those areas missed by the Previous two and also the Etiwanda area
immediately east of the planned community. The Center at the northeast
corner of Base Line and Milliken should be elimnated for the following reasons:
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P.C. 80-01
Page 5
'TING
As the Commission is aware, there is a Planned Community proposed
by Lewis Homes south of the Victoria Planned Community. Within
Terra Vista there are approximately 2.50 Neighborhood Shopping
Centers proposed. In order to provide adequate service radius for
the shopping centers proposed in the Terra Vista area the Milliken
and Base Line site on Victoria should be reverted to a residential
land use. Whether or not Terra Vista developes the proposed General
Plan will indicate various residential land uses necessitating
service by Neighborhood Commercial Centers. At this point in time
it is known that approximately 8,000 people could reside within the
boundaries of the Terra Vista Planned Community with the present
traffic system. Additionally, because of the adjacency of Victoria,
and the adjacency of already developed land to Terra Vista Planned
Community, approximately two centers would be located on the proposed
General Plan for the Terra Vista Planned Community.
Suggested Condition: The Village Commercial Shopping Center proposed
at the northeast corner of Milliken and Base Line Road shall be eliminated
and replaced with D. Land Use.
COMMUNITY FACILITIES
Schools: Each of the three predominant residential vi. llages; Victoria
~'roves, Victoria Vineyards, and Victoria. Windrows, are anchored by
Elementary School Facilities and a park. Each of the schools and parks
are located along Victoria Parkway, which is a linear connector having
both equestrian and biking/hiking trails. The locations of the schools
and the size of the facilities are subject to the approval of the school
districts. In the case of the school in Victoria Groves it would be subject
tO the approval of the Alta Loma School District. In the case of all
remaining schools they would'be subject to the approval of the Etiwanda
School District. The quantity of schools required:is also determined by
the School District. The Victoria Planners have verified the number of
schools desired by the School Districts based upon.the projected population
to be generated from the development as proposed. Should there be any
drastic change in the number of dwelling units proposed for this develop-
ment, the number of schools proposed would have to be reevaluated by the
School District..
Suqgested Condition: Prior to the approval of any tract within any of
the villages containing proposed school facilities the School District
involved must consent in writing to the need and location for school
facility. Additionally, the sites reserved for schools shall be sufficient
in size for the needs of the school District.
Potential Civic Uses: Within the Victoria area there is an existing
Fire Station located northerly of Base Line Road, near Day Creek. The
Foothill Fire Protection District provides the service to the project area.
Area "S" on the Victoria Community Plan is indicated as potential Civic
Center uses. This could be a Transit Station, a Police sub-station, or
used for expansion of fire facilities. There are two chruch sites proposed
within Victoria. One is in the Victoria Vineyards along Victoria Parkway.
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Page 6
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The second site is adjacent to Heublein on Base Line Road near Day
Creek.
PARKS, LAKES, AND COMMUNITY TRAILS
There are three parks proposed. One in each of the residential villages:
Victoria Groves has the Groves Park, Victoria Vineyards has the Vineyards
Park, and Victoria Windrows has the Windrows Park. Included in the Windrows
Park is a proposed Lake. These parks are approximately lO acres in size each.
Additionally, the plan proposes Victoria Lakes within the village of Victoria
Lakes. These two lakes encompassed 40 acres of surface area and Lake edge.
Also, a major feature of the plan, is Victoria Linear Park.encompassing 35
acres. Victoria Linear Park serves as a greenbelt connector of all of the
villages within Victoria Planned Community. Additionally, all of the park
and school facilities are located along its length. Within the Planned
Community there are approximately 5 acres of trails proposed. The trails
lead to and from the various residential areas to the schools and parks. What
is depicted on the community plan are the major community trails. There may
be smaller trails that would feed into these major trails. There is a private
community recreation facility proposed at the terminus of Victoria parkway at
the northern end of the Lakes. Membership would be available to people
within Victoria and to other people additionally. It is not a mandatory
requirement of the residence of Victoria that they join the Recreation Center.
UNIMPROVED OPEN SPACE
There are two Southern California Edison corridors running north and south through
the eastern end of Victoria. They encompass approximately 160 acres and are
proposed for a variety of uses. Additionally, Day Creek Channel runs parallel
to and west of the Edison rights-of-way. It encompasses approximately lO0 acres
of right-of-way. The last area of unimproved open space is the east-west Pacific
Electric right-of-way running approximately 1,O00 feet north of Base Line Road.
Along this right-of-way is proposed a local trail on the proposed General Plan
for the City of Rancho Cucamonga.
ROADS
There are a number of roads proposed for Victoria Planned Community totalling
235 acres.
EXISTING LAND USES
There are approximately 40 acres of existing land uses that will most likely
remain in their present condition. They are the existing lumber yard at the
terminus of Rochester north of Base Line, the Heublein wine facility near
Victoria Parkway and Base Line Road and the Nichiren Shoshu Temple on Etiwanda
Avenue.
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RESIDENTIAL LAND USES
The densities of residential land uses proposed within Victoria range from
a low of two units an acre to a high of 45 units per acre. There are six
different types of residential land useages ranging from "A" to "F" and
increasing in density. Of the 2,150 acres within Victoria there are 1,035
acres in residential land uses.
The "A" catagory: "Windrow Residential" encompasses 165 acres and lies primarily
along the Etiwanda Avenue frontage. This land use was proposed as a buffer and
a transition to the low density Windrow Residential land uses shown on the
Interim General Plan.
The "B" Land Uses encompass a range of three to seven dwelling units per acre
and total 530 acres of land within Victoria. The "B" Land Use varies in lot
size from 7,200 sq. ft. to 3,000 sq. ft. and in residential dwelling types
from single family residential to patio homes to O-Lotline homes.
The "C" Land Use ranges from seven to fifteen dwelling units per acre encompassing
175 acres totally and is primarily townhouse and fourplex developments.
The "D" Land Use ranges in density from fifteen to twenty-five dwelling units
per acre encompassing 105 acres and is characterized by garden apartment or
condominium development.
The "E" Land Use ranges from twenty-five to thirty-five dwelling units per
acre and encompasses approximately 50 acres of land. They are primarily
low rise apartments or condominiums.
The "F" Land Use ranges in density from thrity-five to forty-five dwelling
units per acre encompassing approximately lO acres of land and is characterized
by high-rise apartments or condominiums.
The applicant has tried to arrange the various land uses within Victoria to
get a balance of dwelling types within each village. The "E" and "F" Land
Uses are located near the intersection of Victoria Parkway and Base Line Road
or around the north Victoria Lake. In all cases the various land uses whether
they be identical or different land uses are seperated from one another by
either a road or a trail.
As the Commission will recall, there has been much concern expressed over the
provision of affordable housing within the City of Rancho Cucamonga. The proposed
Housing Element of the General Plan suggests that 15% of the dwellings within the
City of Rancho Cucamonga be within the affordable range. On page 225 of the
Victoria Text the applicant suggests that within the Victoria Community Planned
area lO~ of the dwellings will be delivered to low and moderate income families.
Addttionally, these dwellings would be disbursed throughout Victoria so that
each village has approximately 10% of the homes in the affordable range. Afford-
able housing would include a mix of attached/detached and mobile family dwellings.i
We suggest that the Victoria Planned Community increase the amount of affordable
housing to 15% within each village.
Planning Commission~
September 29, lg80
P.C. 80-01
Page 8
~ting
Suqqested Condition: The Victoria Planned Community shall contain 15%
of its dwelling units as affordable housing as defined on page 225 of the
Victoria Planned Community text.
One of the requirements of the Planned Community Ordinance is to establish
a maximum amount of dwelling units allowable within a planned community area.
This is established by taking the boundaries of the property and delineating
those on the General Plan. The land uses are then pianometer. and calculations
made to produce the final dwelling unit count. Since a portion of this plan
lies within the alternative areas of the Interim General Plan, this calculation
will'be forthcoming to the Planning Commission after November l, at which time
we anticipate the proposed General Plan to be available for public review.
Staff has initially done some calculations based upon the traffic capacity
of the streets within Victoria Planned Community and can assure the Commission
that the optimum proposed by the applicant of 9,850 dwelling units will fit
within the range of allowable dwelling units for this particular area.
FOUR VILLAGES COMPARISONS: There are four villages within the community
of Victoria. Victoria Groves, Victoria Vineyards, Victoria Windrows and
Victoria Lakes. Each village is designed with a focus and a connection to
each other village. For example: the focus of Victoria Groves is the
[]ementary School and park. It is connected to Victoria Vineyard via Victoria
Parkway. The focus of Victoria Vineyards is the Elementary School facilities
park and church. Victoria Vineyards is then connected to Victoria Windrows
via Victoria Parkway. The focus of Victoria Windrows is again the Elementary
School and park. It is connected to Victoria Lakes via Victoria Parkway.
The focus of Victoria Lakes is the lakes and the Regional Shopping Center.
Of the four villages three are primarily residential, ie. Victoria Groves,
Victoria Vineyards, and Victoria Windrows. The village of Victoria Lakes
is primarily the Regional Shopping Center and Regional Related uses such as
commercial and office. There are some residential land uses located adjacent
to the north Victoria Lakes. The relationship of the land uses within the
Victoria Planned Community )re tied together well by use of the Victoria
Parkway. Because of the unusual L shape, it is necessary that each of the
geographic areas defined by the major streets such as Milliken, Base Line,
Highland, and the Flood Control Channel have a central focus. The problem
of relating each of the villages to the community is done through the use
of the Victoria Linear Parkway. And the introduction of the regional center
to the community is also accomplished through the use of the Victoria Lakes.
CONCLUSION
This report, while detailed, only generally covers the issue of land use. The
text presented by the applicant fully delineates each of the land uses proposed
within Victoria Planned Community in addition to each of the features and
amenities proposed.
Planning Commission
September 24, 1980
P.C. 80o01
Page 9
ring
Should you have any particular questions regarding any of the details contained
within the text, please do not hesitate to contact this office. It would be the
staff's intent after the conclusion of the review of land use as described in
this report to prepare detailed conditions of approval on land use. This would
be our procedure for each of the various review areas. At the completion of the
review of all of the areas of consideration staff will present a final wrap-up
report summarizing the actions which have occured and compiling the conditions
of approval for the Victoria Planned Community. Should the Commission complete
the review of land use on Monday, September 29, 1980 we will then proceed on to
the discussion of circulation. A report sent under seperate cover is available
for your review. Staff will be prepared to discuss the various issued of cir-
culation as they relate to the Planned Community and the City as a whole. Should
the Commission complete the review of circulation on Monday, September 29. a
report prepared under seperate cover will be available for your review on the
Parks and Open Space of this plan.
Respectfully submitted
Jack Lam, Director
of Community Development
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' CITY OF I~,\N(SFtO CLt~ .I, NIONGA
MISMOI ANI)UM
DATE:
TO:
FROM:
SUBJECT:
October 9, 1980
Planning Commission
Barry K. Hogan, City Planner
VICTORIA PLANNED COMMUNIty
~_ '~ ,t
1977
ABSTRACT: As the Commission will recall at the meeting of September 16, 1980
we discussed the areas of review for the Victoria Plan. Land Use has been
discussed and Circulation, and Parks and Open Space are the next two items sub-
ject to discussion. Included previously in your packet of information is a
report from the City Engineer and a report from the Director of Community
Services. Contained herein are recommended conditions for Circulation and
Parks and Open Space.
We would request that the Planning Commission consider the next categories
for review. There are five categories left.
1. Infastructure
2. Design Criteria
3. Regulations {zoning or development regulations}
4. Implementation
5. D.E.I.R. (Draft Environmental Impact Report)
It would be our suggestion that Infastructure and Design Criteria be the next
two items of discussion. We have reserved the Forum at the Lion's Building
for October 29, 1980 from.7:00 p.m. to lO:O0 p.m. We would like conformation
of the next two items to be reviewed and of the proposed meeting date at your
October 11, 1980 review for Victoria discussion. We have reviewed the report
by the City Engineer and recommend the following seven conditions for circulation.
1. Rochester Avenue shall be extended northerly to connect with Victoria Park-
way.
2. Higllland Avenue shall be constructed at a 64 foot curb to curb section
to accomodate 5 lanes of traffic, specific alignment, and design shall be
to the satisfaction of the C. ity Engineer.
3. At the time of development at the intersections of Highland Avenue and
Milliken Avenue, and at theintersection of Hiehlan~ Avenue e-~ ~a'.' Cr~e~
Boulevard plans shall be prepared by the applicant ccerjinatin~ t~
age road situation to the satisfaction of the City Engineer and Celttans.
4. Should any of the streets that cross the Pacific Electric rail tracts {ie.
Millikan, Rochester, Day Creek) require grade separation, the applicant
shall be required to prepare preliminary design studies to determine con-
figuration and right-of-way requirements.
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October 9, 1980
Page 2
The applicant shall prepare a detailed traffic analysis detailing the
circulation elements such as street location, freeway interchange,
street size, etc., for the regional shopping center and the regional
related areas. Such analysis shall be prepared to the satisfaction of
the City Engineer.
Precise alignmerit studies and rights-of-way limits will be required to
be prepared by the applicant, including but not limited to, Victoria
Parkway, local collectors, etc., prior to the consideration of approval
of any tentative tract maps involving significant alignment features of
any unprecised street.
7. Street standards shall conform to those of the City of Rancho Cucamonga.
If the Planning Commission concurs with'the Staff Report presented by the City
Engineer, then the above-mentioned conditions should be addedto the approval.
A Staff Report has been preparedby Bill Holley, Community Services Director,
and was presented to the Planning Commission at your previous meeting. We
have prepared recommended conditions of approval for parks. They are:
1. The lakes are approved in concept only. Further det~led studies shall
be submitted to the City prior to any tentative tract approvals for a
village that contains a lake. The detailed studies shall indicate the
construction techniques of the lake, the details of design, the details
of maintenance of the lake, and cost estimates for maintenance.
2. The applicant shall deposit an appropriate sum of money with the City to
pay for a lake consultant to be hired by the City to review the submission
material for the lake proposed in Victoria.
Park credit for land privately owned and maintained shall be evaluated on
a case by case basis at the time of t e n t a t i v e T r a c t a p p r o v a 1
Credit of up to 100% may'be given. This condition applies to park land
that would be provided for public use and park land that would not be pro-
vided for public use.
Each park area within each village shall be given to the City in a complete
form including, but not limited to, installed parking areas, seeded play areas,
irriqation and restrooms prior to the construction of greater than 50% of the
lots within the village. Park design shall be to the satisfaction of the
Director of Community Services and consistent with the Victoria Planned
Communities.
4.47 acres of public park land must be added to the land prior to consider-
ation of approval of any tentative tract maps within the plan.
October g, 1980
page 3 I i
Should you have any questions or need clarification on any of the suggested
conditions of approval, please do not hesitate to contact this office.
Respectfully submitted,
· Cit~ Planner
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DATE:
TO:
FROM:
SUBJECT:
February 2, 1981
CITY OF RANCHO CL'CA,,,~NGA
STAFF REPORT
· C~.,CA..~I,O.~,,
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1977
Planning Commission
Barry K. Hogan, City
VICTORIA PLANNED COMMUNITY - P.D.
Review of project to date
80-01 - WILLIAM LYON COMPANY
ABSTRACT: As we all are aware, the Victoria Planned Community text and
map has been with us for some time. Either under submittal or through an
informal review process within the Community. As a reminder, there have
been six meetings on Victoria. The dates are listed below:
f 9-16-80 - General kickoff meeting - establishment of review process
/9-29-80 - Discussion of Land Use
~ 10-11-80 - Discussion of Victoria and the Etiwanda Area
v10-29-80 - Discussion of Circulation
-11-10-80 - Discussion of parks and open space
-/11-24-80 - Discussion of review process and continuation of review
to January 1981.
This memo contains a listing of the items which has arisen at each of these
meetings on Victoria. Also please find attached, all of the reports that
have been prepared for the Victoria Planned Community. Recommendation will
be to review all of the items listed to verify that all of the issues have
been considered and to give guidance to the applicant as to the additional
information required. We have also attached a proposed schedule to con-
sideration for approval of Victoria Planned Community which the Commission
should indicate their desires for finalization.
DISCUSSION: To date, we have reviewed land use, circulation, parks and
open space and have presented reports on infrastructure and design criteria.
At each of the meetings on land use, circulation, parks and open space,
there were suggested conditions included. The Commission, after reviewing
each of the topics, then discussed each of the conditions suggested. In
some cases, the conditions were modified and in others, conditions were
added. In each of the meetings on the topics there were additional issues
raised that were not answered by the text covered by conditions suggested
or answered by the map. We have complied for the Commission's information
and use, those issues that have been raised that have not yet been answered.
Victoria Planned Con. .lity -2- February 2, 1981
LAND USE
- Commercial usage along Etiwanda Avenue (already addressed by the Sedway/
Cooke General Plan}
- More detailed and regional related uses i.e. types
- Victoria Street not to connect to Etiwanda Avenue
- Regional related uses to Etiwanda Avenue {some examples should be shown
relative to site plans)
- Buffering along Base Line Road, i.e. residential uses and commercial uses
{example: site plans should be shown}
- Landscape buffer at the Temple (mention was made when land adjacent to the
Temple was thought to be within the planned community that there should be
landscape buffering from any new use to the Temple. Now the Temple land
is only conti uous to the planned community boundaries on the western
property linet
- Phasing of regional related uses from Foothill Boulevard north to Base
Line Road
- Treatment of Highland Avenue relative to architectural character and land-
scape character to simulate the "rural atmosphere"
- Precise planned community boundaries showing all property that is owned
by William Lyon Company within the planned community and any other property
that is consented to be a co-applicant
- Adjustment of densities and land use patterns within the planned communities
relative to General Plan changes
- Density bonuses and affordable housing percentages
CIRCULATION
- Treatment of the emergency lane of traffic for Victoria parkway
- Indication of what streets would be used for regional shopping center access
- Efforts should be made to minimize traffic through the Etiwanda Community
- Indicate a loop street plus or minus 1,O00 feet from Etiwanda Avenue in
order to take traffic off of Etiwanda Avenue
Victoria Planned Cot. .~ity -2- February 2, 1981
PARKS AND OPEN SPACE
- Indicate areas of lake usage for boating, fishing, etc. What about "con-
cession stands" around the lake. How will these be handled?
- Will there be any trails to Etiwanda Avenue and from Etiwanda community
to the lake edge? Where will they be? Show examples.
- How much land is contained within the lake edge and the lake itself.
What about the issue of radiation from the ower lines (this should be
discussed in the draft environmental reportl.
- What about the active parkland versus passive parkland? Advantages, dis-
advantages of each.
- What credit should be given for the lakes, for the trails, for any other
open space usage.
- Where should the additional five acres of park land go to, if still
necessary after adjustments in the General Plan densities?
- Where will the developer obtain the water to fill the lakes and to keep
them at a reasonable level?
We hope that we have gathered together all of the items which were discussed at
the various meetings on Victoria Planned Community. The Commission should
review each of the items listed above in the three categories, to determine if
they are accurately represented and if all of the issues raised by the Commission
are contained within the list. Our anticipation would be that at the February
26, lgal meeting the applicant would have answered most, if not all of the
issues contained within this report and Staff would have the opportunity to
make recommendations on the applicant's proposals.
We still have Infrastructure and Design, and Implementation and DEIR to review.
It would be one suggestion that the Planning Commission reserve March 12, March
26, and April 9 to complete the Planning Commission reivew of the Victoria
Planned Community. These meetings would be on Thrusday night beginning at 7:00
p.m.
RECOMMENDATION: It is recommended that the Planning Commission reivew the
list contained within this report. Add or subtract to those lists as may be
necessary, and clarify the items they wish to have brought back to them in
the way of answers or solutions for the February 26 special meeting. Also, it
is recommended that the Planning Commission adopt March 12, March 26, and April
9 as review dates for the completion of the review of Victoria Planned Community.
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Attachments
DATE:
TO:
FROM:
SUBJECT:
CITY OF RANCHO CLC_A~yKDNF__,A
STAFF REPORT
February 25, 1981
Members of the Planning Commission
Batty K. Hogan, City Planner 1971
VICTORIA PLANNED COMMUNITY - 80-01 - FOLLOW-UP ON PREVIOUS
ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION UNDER LAND USE AND CIRCULATION
ABSTRACT: As the Planning Commission will recall at the previous Victoria
Planned Community meeting we discussed the issues that had been raised un-
der land use, circulation and parks and open space. The applicant was to
come back with answers to the 'issues raised at the last meeting. Staff
recommendations will be made at the Planning Commission meeting.
DISCUSSION: The applicant proposes to discuss five different topics under
land use, i.e., General Plan densities, boundary changes, new population
distributions, regional-related uses, and Base Line at Victoria Parkway
commercial center. Under circulation there are five areas which will be
discussed: regional perspective, Victoria circulation, circulation on
Etiwanda Avenue, circulation via Rochester Avenue and circulation via
Miller/Church Avenue. The applicant will make his views and reasons known
for each of the above-mentioned items. We would suggest that the Planning
Commission review and consider these items and act on them only if the
Commission feels that adequate information has been presented to satisfy
the concerns previously expressed.
At the last Planning Commission meeting, new boundaries for the Victoria
Planned Community were presented to the Planning Commission. Questions
were raised as to what the revised dwelling unit count is for Victoria
Planned Community. We have generated the new General Plan number for the
Victoria Planned Community revised. Allowable within the Victoria Plan-
ned Community as defined by the new boundaries under the General Plan
is 9,452 units. When the Victoria Planned Communities boundaries are
revised on the plan presented by the William Lyon Company, the new "op-
timum yield" that the Wm. Lyon Co. proposes is 9,040 dwelling units.
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cc: Jack Lam
Gary Frye, Wm. Lyon Co.
Don Tomkins, SWA Group
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DATE:
TO:
FROM:
SUBJECT:
-- CITY OF RANEHO CUC~,~/DNGA
STAFF R F, PORT
March 12, 1981
Members of the Planning Commission
Barry K. Hogan, City Planner
William Holley, Director of Community Services
VICTORIA PLANNED COMMUNITY - 80-01 TOPICS - LAND USE AND CIRCU-
LATION, PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, INFRASTRUCTURE AND DESIGN CRITERIA
ABSTRACT: As the Commission will recall, the Planning Commission meeting
of Thursday, February 26, 1981 was cancelled by request of the developer
in order to allow him additional time to prepare responses to the Commission's
concerns. We have attached the previous memorandum on land use, circulation,
parks and open space and the Staff Report on Infrastructure and Design Cri-
teria. Recommendations will be to resolve the issues of land use, circulation,
parks and open space and discuss infrastructure and design criteria.
DISCUSSION: The February 2, 1981 Staff Report beings up a number of items
under Parks and Open Space i.e., indicate the areas of lake usage for boating,
fishing, etc.; concession stands around the lake; trails along Etiwanda Ave-
nue from the lake edge, where will they be; what are the advantages of having
the lake as active or passive park land; what credit should be given for the
lakes, for the trails or other open space usage; where should the additional
5 acres of park land go; and where will the developer obtain the water to fill
the lakes and to keep them at a reasonable level. The Director of Community
Services and the City Planner have met to discuss the issues relative to
parks and open space. The following resolutions have been reached:
- Fishing in the lake is acceptable and will cause no potential
problems for the City.
- The issue relative to concession stands should be studied to
determine its economic feasibility; an economic feasibility
study should be prepared by the Wm. Lyon Co. or their con-
sultants and submitted to the Department of Community Services
and Planning Division prior to any concession stands being
located on or about the lake edge.
- The issue of passive versus active open space was discussed
at length by the Planning Commission during the last meeting
on Parks and Open Space with no particular conclusion reached.
It is the concurrence of the City Planner and Director of Com-
munity Services that both passive and active recreation have
value and that value cannot necessarily be equated on a scale
of one to ten. It is a discretionary decision as to whether
of not passive open space or active open space has more re-
lative value. Therefore, we feel that to pursue discussion on
passive versus active open space is an exercise in futility.
- Credit for open space provided was discussed.
There are a
March 12, 1981
Victoria
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variety of open space areas in which credit is sought. Trail
credit is sought, Victoria Parkway credit is sought, Edison
and Flood Control credit is sought, lake edge and lake surface
credit is sought. It is the opinion of the City Planner and
Director of Con~nunity Services that 100% credit should be given
in all categories except for the Edison and Flood Control ease-
ments. The two questions which we had to ask ourselves in making
a recommendation were: Does the amenity provided give public
recreation opportunities? The answer to the question is yes.
Is it necessary for the Victoria Community Plan to have these
amenities to have the plan work well? In our opinion we believe
that it is necessary. The lakes provide a vital connection from
the commercial area to the residential area and provide for a
very good transition of an active commercial area to a more
quiet, less active, residential area. The trails and Victoria
Parkway help to tie the entire planned community together as a
single entity.
The last issue that arose was the lake design and maintenance it-
self. We suggest that the lake design and maintenance be considered
as a separate topic after the planned community has been approved
by the Planning Commission and City Council. The approval that
would be given under the planned community review would be for
the concept of lakes to be approved but the precise design and
maintenance studies would come at a later date. We have an ex-
ample of a typical maintenance manual on another lake prepared
for the City in another community for your review at the Planning
office and it will be available at the March 12 meeting.
We have also attached a report dated November 24, 1980, which discusses the
next two topics for review: Infrastructure and Design Criteria. As you will
will recall, infrastructure talks about those public services that must be
provided such as sewers, water, natural gas, electricity, telephone, flood
control and fire. Design Criteria encompasses the Victoria Parkway, landscape
standards, solar access, site planning standards, landscape grading standards
and road standards. As with previous reports on the Victoria Planned Com-
munity, the report of November 24, 1980 discusses the issues of infrastructure
and the issues of design criteria and lists suggested conditions for the Com-
mission to consider as possible conditions of approval for the planned community.
RECOMMENDATION: It is recommended that the Planning Commission:
Consider the comments and responses on land use, circulation, parks
and open space by the applicant and the staff and make the appro-
priate decision.
2. Consider and review infrastructure and design criteria and adopt
suggested conditions of approval to be brought back in a master
resolution Qf approval after the Victoria Planned Community has
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I. ~P~den~iol rJe~llty
Is the total of 9,6S0 dwelllna roll! propmad far Vie/alia nn npproN'lote
nunher of dwellleas for this area? IS It Cons;lt~nt with the proiX)ted General
Plan?
t,, ArP the higher density ~eas located In, the right places?
Should high density ore be located directly adjacent to low density
aremS?
Is there enouq~ high density an major moss transit corridors? Sadway -
CeaSe h~l a ~al of 7 dulA greta within 1,0ell fret of o matt transit
corridor.
Sho,~ld d~n!ley be "stelX~d" fram lew t~ hlQh to e, of tem the transition?
Z. Re, qim~l Commerclnl
Is there too much land in the "reQlae~l r~late~" land use category? How
reqlm~l raminertial be phoeed to dllc'~ur~ge piece-meal develapmef~t, but also
allow the full rommerclal develolymmt potential to be realized.
1. r,Jeiqhborhood Commercial
What iw the correct number of neiqhborhoo~ Po~nmerciol centers require,d by the,
prnpnted develepment? Where shoulcl they ~e IotaScull at arterial rood
interSeCtionS, at th~ edge of Ihe cO,nmUrllty, Or In the middle of the co, nmunlty?
What impa~t .#|11 ~ alternative hove m Irral traffic?
t. RPtidPntiol rJeli~n Censiderotlans
n. How rnn the roo~ edge of Roseline and HIQ~land he ft~siqf~d to crete n "rtral
rhnrmter' end n smooth trnntltlon IntO the Ftiwne~a Ar~?
h. FMw will the meN3 of lieselite from Etiw~ndo, west to Victorln P~k~y ~
d. How crm Etiwondo Awmue be, planned to protect its unique character?
r'IRCULATION
I. Re,'41tyml Center CIrculation
n. How will the traffic be routed at the I-15 - Foothill Roulevord intersection to
promote efficient access to the Regloe~l Center?
b. How can Etlwonda area, md Ellwando Avenue be designed to minimize traffic
Impact?
Victoria Street
Should VIctoria Street be c~nnected between Victoria Parkway to Etlwan6s
Avenue?
Lewsl of Service :' ' :'
the '~:) Level of S4rvlcem an acceptable deslg- alaNlard?. II ~ ~ L~I of
S~le' a call effKtiw alterNllw. lh I~t Of t~ e~t t~t t~ ~ L~I' Is o
~ly ~t~ traffic ql~lq s~
PARI/.S AND OPEN SPACE
I. Total amount of Park
o. Accordl~ to BIll Hallell enill~lle ViOlfile Ii 4.47 octal "lhatr of Ixxk
b. Does Victoria Vinetorch have odeteeto park acreage to wve the residents
there?
c. Should there be me.e, smaller, "pocket Imrks" or are large parks o more
efficient way to use city park treeurea?
?. Park Credit
a. What amount of park credit will be given to the private recreation center
pralx~ed at the nor.eh end of fierib Victoria Lake?
b. What amount of Imrk credit will be'gi~"to the lakes?
3. Active versus Passive Um
What II the "co,act" belancw betwee~ "active" and "pa~lw" park uses? ,e~ould ~he
balance be changed occordln~ to the propaled ~ in Victoria?
Greembelf Tie to Tetra VIlla
How will the Ormlt to Tarre VIsta be mllsh~d?,
The prc,~reding InLet have been discussed In the Victoria Plan Public He~rlr~s that have
h,.q,fi held re Hate. Addltlo~el Issues which have_ not beeq discussed publiclyt but which
h~ve been rr~mtlOned by the plannhlg staff, plafmir~ commissioners, of public ore listed
in the. followlr~ poraqraphl.
INFR AS TAt.)(':. TL~E
I. Storm Drains
Dace the plan make adequate provlllan f~' lotuSlane to the storm drain problem
that presently exlltl ael elM?
Are there adequate
development?
provlllonl for legate generated m a relult of this
3. Fire Protection
Should the developer be real=enslble f~r ~l e~lmmlm and mlaeatlan coats
slated with the Inereoled fire I)retectlan earvices reelul~ed as a result of
development.
DESIGN CRITERIA
I. Road Standarch
Should all roads, em:e~t Victoria Pelm~, eenfeem to city standards, er do the
aclvantoget of planned cemmunlty RanIn9 allow for some deviations? Speciflc~lly,
can sidewalk leeatlanl aml reed widths be edJulted In h planned teeninanity z, afe?
7, Landscape Standarch
How consistent Ihould IcmdK'~pe dovehlpmen! .within the planned community be
with city-wide hmdlcape standards? Is them roam for lame variation from city-
wide staf~klrdl In. terms of plant matorkil tiq~, plontlq styles metlira plantinge
etc.?
REGULATIONS
I. Parking Standards
Should Victoria parkln~ requirements be tendstent with ~t orbltraty liondeed, or
should they reflect empirical knowledge of real perking deftmint?
VICTORIA COMMUNITY PLAN CONCEPTS
WHICH HAVE RECEIVED BROAD BASED SUPPORT
The idea of treating seNrate, disputed parcels as a whole~ and linking them
together to create a strong community identity.
The village concept of giving eachneighborhood a special charactert based on its
location andneighbors. '
The regional center, which generates income for the city and provides a unique
urban focus.
The lakes and parkway which link the community together.
The way the plan recognizes the importance of preserving Etiwanda Avenue
character by proposing special residential uses and relocating the proposed Foothill
Freeway interchange to Day Creek Boulevard.
The attention given to community design, landscaping, grading and other aesthetic
issues.
The provisions for energy efficlent design through site planning and land use
distribution.
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Regulations, lmple.entatlon. tin. and Condlttonm of
for reco~mend/tfon to City Cnunc~i on the Victoria Planned
Co~mmunl ty.
;.%rP. AeT: This report wilt discuss the eft/chUrl reviled rngulltlons ind
s~ta'r~s for development Of the Vtcterll Comeunity Plat1, the lmehawetation,
the Drift [nvtromentll !lNct Report, eel the.attached prOlelltl conditions
of approval and Resolution. Approval of the PT&n to the City Council wtll
he recOelended.
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DISCUS I : Am the Planning Comfition wtli recall, then here been riperOs
~F;T~"~Le~mnd discussion occurred 0t: Land Ull, CIrculation, Parks and
Space. Infrastructure, end Oeltgn Crtturll.' This report wt11 discuss the
repletions (zoning end deviloilier Of tIM. Planned Cameant ). tmplmentatton.
the Draft Environmental ImllCt fieOPt, and tim recoemendndtgelolutton of
Approval containing 111 the ¢undtttonl lilCh.lilvl bile preYloci1), mINed
by the Planning CImltllton lad additional cendtttons el a Psinit of the review
of thf last remaining sections of the YtctorII PIInned GoBlintoy Text.
R(GULATION$: Attached to thfl report, pielie find and-numbered Fagel begin-
ntng with 221 Ind ending with 266. Thelt Ire revisions of the RegUlatIOnS
end $tendards for I)evelolment SKIIOn Of the' VICtoria Planned Cossanity
coalMasK by pages H)-267 of the prevloellT:luimtttld text. Staff end the
developer hive over I number of anthi end meny meetings reviled the Regu-
lations Ind $tlndlrds for Olvllolment. The litached encoeq~llsll these
This report will not go Into detal of lily of Irlll · cnlngl hit hive
occurred throughout the reviled text. Ill atilt.' however, Indicate tn generll
the revisions thet hive occurred. The revisions Ire Is fo11M:
- Text reference his chlnged irma the old.A,B,C,D.E. and F lind
uses to the proimsed hnerll Plan dellnotions of low, lee-
medium. Bedim. medium-high, led high tiltlilly.
- The applicant has also removed any reference to perking resolutions.
- Plannlnq boundlrles hive hewn definelOSE ~1ort proctsely.
V~e. torla - final I~eport
-?- Plannlnq Commission 4-7-AI
!~e111ng unit co,nt per viiiego have been adjusted for
;~rnperty not , pert of the Pllnned CNeunlty.
flemlhlltty In managing the pain. page 233. hat been r'evlted
to lodecite the apprOpriate Gonerat Plan land ute~.
Pa,ips 239-~46 have been added to ptctortilty depict examples
i~f the various lot square footage...developments thee are
desired wtthfn the Vtcterfe Planned
?,qn& 24fi-~49 tndJcate plctorlaily clul~er housing standards
tn various sltuatlonl.
- n~a~ standards hive been modified ~e be coelhtent wtth City
Road Standards.
h~ere ere ,reel fflthtn the proposed rayhad text that Staff feels lt111
,pads ~ome eddtttonet clarification. Me ~rovlde the foilmain0 suggested
~nndltlons to give thlt cliriftcition.
1. On page 248° local Pealdent1,1 streets show a mlnt~um 10
foot setback. Ne feet thee an addltlo'nel 15 foot typical
~etback should be added.
?. Pig, 250. sectton 484 should be tl~ame as section 5B3e
and b on page 251, t.e. losteed ~f..l building separation
of IO foot minimum, buildtog Iliaration would be:
(a) 35 feet In height or lasso 10 root mtntmum, or
(b) Rulldlngs greater than 35 felt,"15 foot minimum.
3. Page 253, the word "prOvision" lh~Uld he ldded after No. 1
General. On No. 2, the mt~tmum lot width should be 150
feet rather then 100 7eat mlntmem. No. 3, the
height Ibeuld be Indicated at 65 feet'with e conditional
use permtt for any hetghts grater thin 65 feet.
4. Page 234, No. 1 after General, add provision.
5. Page 233 No. 3 & 4 should be revtid te read:
In order to provide flextb111t~ In the develophenS of the
t e n 'v t l~ the option yteld
will be ellwabll.
Any end ell vertlttons Shill be'reviewed end epprOved by
the I)estge Review Cee, ntttee.
The vlrtltlon In the ~ of ~'I~ units within one
Vic'orts - Ftnll Report -)- rlannln; Conelesion 4-2~Rl
of the other villages to ensure that the tolD1 number
of units do not exceed 8255 wtthln the Pleased CMnlty
boundary.
I
Page 271 of the text and 27T Incorporate thldlvl~Olmnt lpprovll process
tot the In;lemntltton of the Plan. The dovllOpelet approval precesa
vlded In the text lndl.;ites the procedure w~eroby the plan of Victoria
Implemented. It ta a hm-itoge ~s tevo vtq
would be I. the tentative
tract sip filing end the design rlvtlw ipllre~ll procell. In ill calls,
residential developmat within the Ylctorto-PJlltnld Comlntty NIt COlply
wlt~. the Growth Nlnlglmnt OrdlMncl IS Idoptld bY OrdtMncl IM. 86 of the
CIt/of Rlnche Cutemagi. Additionoily, the !InS for roltdl~ttll-cmnlr-
clal devllolmnt lust 1110 timply wash thoOesTgn illview OrdtMncl adopted
by the CIty.
~UG__GESTED CONDITIOII
All residential filings for to~totht tract IWrxwil for deltgn revtw
approval shall coll;ly wtth ll CIty of Rancho-Cecmngl Ordtnlnce No. 86,
Growth Ibnlgment led with the Design nevtwOrdlnonct.
DRAF'r [NVIROI~E'~AL INPACT RE~RT '
The Draft Environmental lapact Report In~ll. tam documents, the
smaller of which tS the drift Envtronmntll_Jeqmct. Rt.'mrt, and the larger
dncument, the Appefidtcel to the [nvlromental.lqact Report Throughout
the review ~f the Victoria Planned Coemuntty,.d!lcullton of lind use,
circulation, parks end o.ee~ apace, Infrastructure, design crtterli,
regulations and Implementorion, the PllnntligCometllton his discussed the
envtromental Impacts of the develollmnt propoled.lnd~ InNfly cain, his
Implemented the etttgattonmelurll through.conditions of approval or Id3ult-
merits tn the Plan. He fell that the Drift £evtromentll lapact Report end
Its appendices wltht~e recomlndlttonl for {lliRglS'~ elther by condition of
approval, or changes tn the Lind Use~!ep hea lmm. icctmplllhed end sheul-~
be recomendld to the CIty Council for certification.
R[COIIa[NOATiON: It is recomended that the Pllnnlq Comtsslnn constder the
attached ResoTutton with conditions of Ipln'Ovll for-'the Victoria Plinnod
Camngnlty as I rKomen~tlon of approval of Vleto~tl Planned ~ntt~y 80-01
to the CIty Council.
BKH:Jk:Cd
Attichment: Resolution
DATE:
TO:
FROM:
BY:
SUBJECT:
CITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
MEMORANDUM
February 3, 1999
Chairman and Redevelopment Agency Members
Chairman and Planning Commissioners/
Histodc Preservation Commissioners
Jack Lain, AICP, Executive Director
Linda D. Daniels, Redevelopment Director(.~b~
Brad Buller, City Planner
Jan Reynolds, Redevelopment Analyst
REGINA WINERY DESIGN CHARRE'I'FE
The Redevelopment Agency has received many favorable comments from both
the public and participants regarding the Design Charrette held at Regina Winery
on Saturday, January 30, 1999. Creative energy was definitely in the air, and at
the end of the day six concepts were presented to the Planning Commission and
Redevelopment Agency.
Although each of the teams may have had a slightly different approach, there
were common visions and concems. All six teams shared the vision that this
may be one of the City's last opportunities to preserve the history of the wine
industry. As a result, each team focused their attention on preserving that
heritage by restoring a portion of the site to its original agricultural state. The
teams also shared support for the tenant's current business operation and
expressed concems with the adjacent land use plan currently proposed by
American Beauty and under consideration by the Planning Commission. The
following is a re-cap of the concepts presented by the teams.
TEAM ONE
Members: AIA members: Geoff Bonney, Randy Hamedy, Dale Cummins, Louis
Christensen (Student/Associate Member). Community Member. Dave Barker.
Recorder: Nancy Fong
Team One's concept stayed within the boundaries of the 14-acre site. The team
supported restoration of the site to its original agricultural state by replanting
grapevines and citrus groves. Surrounding land uses compatible with the winery
use is critical to the success of this project.
Major components of the Team One concept included:
· Conference/Banquet Facilities
· Outdoor Area with Gazebo for festival and weddings
· Winery Park/History Museum
· Themed winery restaurant in cask area - leave one bay of casks for museum
· Placement of windows in north fa(;ade of existing building
TEAM TWO
Members: AIA Members: Chds Sahlin, Den'ill Quaschnick, David Agnew, Alice
LeDoux (Student/Associate). Community Member:. Chuck Buquet. Recorder:
Brent LeCount
Team Two's concept also stayed within the boundaries of the 14-acre site. They
expressed concern with the adjacent proposed single family residential project
adjacent to the site. Adequate buffedng was identified as an essential design
element between winery use and any residential uses.
Major components of concept included:
Conference/Banquet Facility
Retail Shops
Heritage Park to move historical structures on-site
Thereed Restaurant
Artisans Shops/Cooperage
Wedding Chapel
Outdoor Pavilion
Tower element for visibility
TEAM THREE
Members: Ken Scofield, Max Willjams, Jose Adrianzen, Richard Krumwiede,
Mario Soto (Student/Associate). Community Member: Marge Stamm.
Recorder: Jan Reynolds
Team Throe considerod this a larger project that goes beyond the boundaries of
the site. The entiro frontage from Day Croek Boulevard to Victoda Park Lane
should be commercial and designed as one project. They wero concemed with
the proposed single family land use adjacent to this property.
Major Components of the team's concept included:
TEAM FOUR
Membem: AIA Members:
Project should have a City Walk feel and be pedestrian oriented.
Keep open space south of the property
Thereed commercial uses including Micro Brewery
Craftsman commercial village
Vine plantings across frontage
Community Center
Clare Day, Pete Pitassi, Ron Ishii. Community
Member: Janine Tibbetts. Recorder: Dan Coleman
Team Four's concept stayed within the boundaries of the 14-acre site and had a
strong pedestrian odentation. Major components of the concept included:
· Vineyard Plantings
· Renovate former processing building to include retail on main floor and artist's
lofts/cultural uses on second level.
· Senior housing is viable to provide buffer from adjacent proposed single-
family uses.
· Heritage Park for historical homes possibly used as professional office space.
TEAM FIVE
AIA Members: Dick Fleming, Jim Horecka, Phil Chiao, Chades Regan
(Student/Associate). Community Member: Jeff Sceranka. Recorder: Larry
Henderson
Team Five felt it important to expand the boundades of the project to capture
comer properties. Their concept was designed around a linear park theme using
the grapevine metaphor. Any of the proposed uses could be developed by
clustering from the main entrance of the winery.
TEAM SIX
AIA Members: Mark Graham, Tim White, Wade Frazier. Community Member:
Pam Wright. Recorder: Tom Grahn
Team Six's concept stayed within the boundaries of the 14-acre site. They
expressed concem with adjacent proposed single family land use. The emphasis
of this project should be to revive the odginal agdcuitural use through grapevine
and citrus plantings. Pedestrian pathways and connections throughout the
project would be important.
Major components of concept include:
Living history museum
Heritage Village for historic home display
Restaurants compatible with the winery theme
Linear pedestrian walkways and plazas
Specialty Retail/Farmers Market
Community Space Including Wedding Gazebo
For anyone interested in seeing the concept boards developed by the Design
Charrette Teams, please feel free to stop by the Redevelopment Agency offices.
The concepts have provided the Redevelopment Agency and Planning
Commission with many suggestions on the possible use of the Regina Winery
property.
Since the surrounding land use issues are cdtical to the successful planning for
development on the Regina site, over the next several weeks the Agency staff
will be working closely with the Planning Department and Planning Commission
in the review of the land use amendments proposed by American Beauty. At
their scheduled workshop on February 10, 1999, the Commission will begin
reviewing the Charrette teams' land use visions for the Regina site in
combination with the American Beauty proposal. This approach will provide the
most expedient review of the proposed land uses for the Regina Winery site by
the Planning Commission so that recommendations can be forwarded to the
Redevelopment Agency/City Council for consideration and direction.
CC: Nancy Fong, Senior Planner
SUBAREA 2
tLM[
M
Foothill Blvd
Base Map Source: The Cie,,' of Rancho Cucamonga P|~nnhg DepartmeaL ]~)7.
q6/gg(CRGg31/EIR)
STUDY BOUNDBY
BY SUBAREAS
SUBAREA I
- Church St
RRC
SUBAREA 3
MAP LEGEND
["~"'~Project Boundary
~""}Victoria
Community Plan
Specific Plan
~'~"~Area of Proposed
Land Use
Amendments
RESIDENTIAL
L Low Density (2-4 DU/,4C)
LM Low Medium Density (4-8 DU/.4C)
M Medium Density (8-14 DU/AC)
MH Medium High Density (14-24 DU/AC)
H High Density (24-30 DUZ4C)
COMMERCIAL
CF Commercial Facility
OP Office Park
RRC Regional Related Commercial
RR Regional Related Office/Commercial
VC Village Commemial
PUBLIC & OUASI PUBLIC
P Parks/School
SBCFC San Bemardino County
Flood Control
UC Utility Corridor
Figure 3.3
EXHIBIT "C"
Proposed and Existing Land Uses
LOCATION
'/' NO. 3
'I'OCATION' ~'
NOt a Part
z~mn~[. ::! Historic
NO. 2
FOOTHIL~ _
Map Sour. e: PDS ~ December, 1998,
12/16/98(CRG83 I/EIR)
LM
· 42.3 ac.
L
13.4 ac
CHURCH 8T
LOCATION
Not a
Part
NO. I
BOULEVARD
LEGEND:
Proposed Ploject
~ Bour~ary
=, vietoni Community
Plan Boundary
77/ Etjwanda Spedtic Ran
Boundary
LSA
LAND USE: ACRES:
L Low Denity Residential 19.7ac
LM LOW Medium De~ Res.t47,7 i~
MM Medum~ High D~m.y Res. 9.3 8c
High Dense/Residential 9.3 ac
Regiona) Retated 65.4 Ac
Office/commemial
Be~tary School 10.6 ac
Pa~ & Wehnds~ea 9. t ac
,IjnearPaf~&La~,G.?ac
R.O.WS. 24.0 ac
Toll Acreage: 291.8 ac
o Wx~ac~:entmroaovmy~anUthe
ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS Figure 3.5
FOR SCHOOL AND PARK EXHIBIT "D"
No ScaJc
Proposed Project
Land Use Designations
EXHIBIT "E"
~' ' ILLUSTRATIVE CONCEPT PLAN
~ . Victoria
~'~'~ AI d
anne Community
,..~- : in Rancho Cucamonga
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~EVIS~D