HomeMy WebLinkAbout1980/03/27 - Minutes - Adjourned March 27, 1980
CItY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA
CITY COUNCIL MINUTES
Adjourned Meetin8
Present: Phillip D. Schlosser, Councilman; Jori D. Mikels, Councilman;
Michael A. Palombo, Councilman; Arthur H. Bridge, Councilman; and Mayor
James C. Frost.
Also present: City Manager, Lauren M. Wasserman; Deputy City Attorney,
Robert Dougherty; Community Development Director, Jack Lam; Senior Planner,
Barry Hogan; City Engineer, Lloyd B. Hubbs.
The adjourned meeting of March 27, 1980 was for the purpose of a public (1)
hearing on the General Plan. Minutes were taken by a certified public
recorder, which are attached.
1 RANCHO CUCAMONGA, CALIFORNIA, MARCH 27, 1980, 7:00 P.M.
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5 MR. MAYOR: GOOD EVENING. I CALL THIS SPECIAL
8 MARCH 27TH MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
7 RANCHO CUCAMONGA TO ORDER, AND IF WE'D STAND, PLEASE, FOR
8 THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
9 MEMBERS PRESENT. COUNCILMAN BRIDGE?
10 MR. BRIDGE: HERE.
11 MR. MAYOR: COUNCILMAN MIKELS?
12 MR. MIKELS: HERE.
13 MR. MAYOR: SC~LOSSER?
14 MR~ SCHL0$SER: .~ERE.
15 MR. MAYOR: FROST IS HERE.
18 JUST FOR THE SAKE OF FORMALITY, COUNCILMAN
17 PALOMBO MIGHT BE A FEW MINUTES LATE, SO IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH
18 US, LET'S CALL A RECESS FOR 10 MINUTES. IF HE CAN MAKE IT
19 THEN, WE'LL GET STARTED AT THAT TIME. IF HE'S NOT HERE,
20 THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCEED.
21 (BRIEF RECESS TAKEN.)
22
MR. ~AYOR: LET'S CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
23 PERHAPS A BRIEF INTRODUCTION IS IN ORDER
24.
OF THE REASON FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. FOR THOSE OF
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YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS, IT BEGAN,
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RELATIVELY SPEAKI[4G, IN MARCH, 1978. WE HAD AT THAT TIME
1 DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME OPTIONS FOR THE CENTRAL
2 PART OF THE CITY IN THE GENERAL PLAN, THE CONCEPT OF PRO-
3 VIDING A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER FOR THE COMMUNITY IN
4 EITHER OF THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. BY PROVIDING, I MEAN
5 BEGINNING OR INITIATING THE PLANNING PROCESS FOR THAT. AT
6 THIS PARTICULAR STAGE, THE CITY HAS GOT INTO A PROCESS OF
7 REVIEWING THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN WHICH
8 WAS ADOPTED IN COORDINATION WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE
9 OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN WHICH WE ANTICIPATE
10 BEING PREPARED BY AUGUST OF THIS YEAR.
11 THE CITY IS AT A POINT AT THIS TIME WHERE
12 WE SHOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO OUR CONSULTING FIRM AS
13 TO A PARTICULAR SPECIFIC LOCATION WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO
14 SEE A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER DESIGNATION TO BE BOUGHT
15 FOR THE CITIZENS OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA AND A DRAFT LAND USE
15 ELEMENT FOR PUBLIC HEARIHG AND DISCUSSION. I MENTION THAT
17 FACT BECAUSE SOME REPORTS HAVE ERRONEOUSLY BEEN MADE THAT
18 THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD MADE A DECISION LAST NIGHT ON
19 WHERE A REGIONAL CENTER SHOULD GO AND THAT THE COUNCIL WAS
20 TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT ON WHERE A REGIONAL CENTER
21 SHOULD GO. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. I THINK OUR OPTIONS ARE
22 TO DETERMINE IF, IN FACT, BASICALLY WHETHER WE WANT A
23 REGIONAL CENTER. WE HAVE SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE FOR THE LAST
24 COUPLE OF YEARS TO INDICATE THAT THAT'S THE CASE, BUT MORE
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IMPORTANTLY IT REALLY, IN THE LONG RUN, COMES DOWN TO THE
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FACT THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT, WHICHEVER DIRECTION
1 WE MAKE TONIGHT AND WHICHEVER DIRECTION Tile RESIDENTS OF TH[
2 CITY THROUGH THE HEARING PROCESS MAKES DURING THE COMPLETIO~
3 OF T~E GENERAL PLAN PROCESS, WE DO NOT KNOW IN FACT THAT
4 A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER WILL EVER BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN
5 THE CITY BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE MARKET CONSTRAINTS OR OTHER
6 UNKNOWN FACTORS THAT MAY CROP UP IN THE FUTURE. AND FURTHE ,
? ~HATEVER DECISION WE MAKE THIS EVENING WOULD BE OF A VERY
8 GENERAL NATURE ONLY; AND, AT THIS SPECIFIC POINT, WE ARE
9 SPEAKING STRICTLY ABOUT A PROPOSED LAND USE. THE CITY HAS
10 NO WAY OF K~OWING TO WHAT SPECIFIC PURPOSE THAT LAND WOULD
11 BE PUT INSOFAR AS WHICH STORES, IF ANY, WOULD BE DEVELOPED,
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AND THE SYSTEM OF PROCEDURE IS VERY MUCH SUBJECT TO CHANGE
AS WE GO DOWN THE ROAD FURTHER.
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WE CERTAINLY HAVE ALL SEEN CASES IN POINT
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WHERE THE SPECIFIC USE WAS DESIGNATED BUT, WHEN IT CAME
DOWN TO A LEASE SITUATION, THERE'S ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY
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OF OPINIONS CHANGING. WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND ALSO.
lB SO, WITH THAT, I GO TO JACK LAM, OUR
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DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, TO SEE IF HE WOULD LIKE
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TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT, AF~D IF COUNCIL HAS ANY COMMENTS,
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AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
22 MR..LAM: MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THE
23 COUNCIL HAS ASKED AGAIN rIOT TO MAKE A DECISION ON AN
24 APPROVAL OF THE REGIONAL CENTER, BUT RATHER TO CONSIDER A
25 PARTICULAR DIRECTION FOR THE CITY'S PLANNING CONSULTANT
26 TO TAKE IN PREPARING A DRAFT GENERAL PLAN DOCUMENT INCLUDIN
1 A LAND USE PLAN FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PURPOSES. THIS IS
2 ~OT TftE FINAL STAGE OF THE GENERAL PLAN. WE ARE SORT OF
3 IN THE MIDDLE STAGE WHERE THE CONSULTANT NEEDS THE DIREC-
4 TION TO GO FURTHER INTO PREPARING THIS DRAFT, AND THERE
$ WILL BE NUMEROUS PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE ANY GENERAL PLAN
B IS ADOPTED.
7 AS THE MAYOR INDICATED, OUR INTERIM LAND
8 USE PLAN SHOWS SEVERAL SITES FOR A REGIONAL CENTER. AND
9 WE NOW HAVE A CONSULTANT ADDRESSING THE COMPLETION OF THE
10 PLAN. FURTHERMORE, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS APPOINTED A
11 CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT IS COMPRISED OF VARIOUS
12 INTERESTS IN THE COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS THE GOALS AND
13 OBJECTIVES RELATIVE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN.
14 AND, AGAIN, IT'S NOW TIME IN THE PROCESS TO GIVE SOME
15 DIRECTION TO THE CONSULTANT TO PREPARE THE FINAL DRAFT
16 PLAN FOR HEARING.
17 THE C.A.C. HAS CONSIDERED THE CONCEPTUAL
lB ISSUES OF A REGIONAL CENTER LOCATION, AND THE CHAIRMAN IS
19 HERE THIS EVENING TO, IF YOU WISH, INDICATE WHAT THEIR
20 DIRECTION IS IN THIS MATTER.
21 LAST NIGHT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MET AND
22 HAS RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY PROVIDE
23 DIRECTION TO THE CONSULTANT FOR THE REGIONAL SHOPPING
24 CENTER TO BE LOCATED AT FOOTHILL AND 1-15 AND THAT A MAJOR
25 COMMUNITY CENTER BE CONSIDERED FOR TttE NORTHEAST CORNER
26 OF FOOTHILL AND HAVEN.
1 AND, AGAIN, IN CONSIDERING YOUR DIRECTION
2 THIS EVENING, THE COUNCIL SHOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUES AT A
3 GENERAL PLAN LEVEL, SUCH AS THE PHILOSOPHY OF COMMUNITY
4 DEVELOPMENT, THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE GENERAL PLAN,
5 OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY'S IMAGE,
6 COMMUNITY IDENTIFICATION, THE CONCEPTUAL ASPECTS OF
7 TRAFFIC PRIORITIES, COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND SO FORTH. WE
B ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ASPECT OF A SITE PLAN. WE ARE
9 NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC STORES. WE ARE NOT TALKING
10 ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE FACILITIES, BUT MERELY THE GENERAL
11 DIRECTION FOR THE CONSULTANT TO PREPARE A DRAFT DOCUMENT
12 FOR HEARING PURPOSES.
13 AND WITH THAT, I WILL BE AVAILABLE TO
14 ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARISE. THE REPRESENTATIVES
15 OF FIRMS ARE HERE AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE C.A.C. IS HERE
16 THIS EVENING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
17 MR. MAY6R: DO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WISH TO ADD
18 ANYTHING AT THIS TIME?
19 (NO RESPONSE.)
20 MR. MAYOR: ALL RIGHT. BEFORE I FORGET IT A
21 SECOND TIME FOR THIS EVENING, THE AUSPICIOUS REASON FOR
22 TONIGHT'S MEETING IS THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE SECOND
23 ANNIVERSARY OF THE CITY MAt~AGER. LITTLE DID HE KNOW THAT
24 TWO YEARS AGO WHAT HE WAS GETTING INTO. TO CELEBRATE THAT,
25 TOMORROW EVENING HE IS GOING ON A WEEK'S VACATION WHICH
26 HAS GOT TO BE INDICATIVE OF SOMETHING.
1 LET'S GET BACK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND.
2 AGAIN, A BRIEF REITERATION, PERHAPS. CERTAINLY, THE
3 PROPONENTS OF THE TWO PARTICULAR PLANS ARE WELL AWARE THAT
4 THE CITY COUNCIL, AS INDIVIDUALS, IN EXCESS OF THREE YEARS
S IN CONSIDERATION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING, OR ANTICIPATION.
6 AND, ALSO, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE COLLECTIVELY AND INDI-
7 VIDUALLY SPENT COUNTLESS UNTOLD HOURS ATTENDING MEETINGS
8 AND GOING THROUGH REVIEW PROCESSES AND SPEAKING TO THE
9 INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED. MOST OF US ARE GETTING TIRE~ OF
10 SHAVING TWICE A DAY THIS WEEK; BUT, IN ANY CASE, I THINK
11 THE PROPONENTS ARE WELL AWARE OF WHAT INFORMATION THE
12 COUNCIL HAS HAD, AND HOPEFULLY WOULD FIRST OF ALL, UNLESS
13 I HEAR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SUGGEST THAT WE STAY AWAY
14 FROM.THE SPECIFICS OF SITE PLANS AND WHICH TYPES OF USES
15 AND THOSE KINDS OF ARGUMENTS THIS EVENING BECAUSE I KNOW
16 THAT T~OSE OF YOU INVOLVED ARE AWARE OF WHAT I SAID. WE
17 REALLY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT GOES IN. IN FACT, TO
18 QUOTE A COMMENT I GOT, "A DEVELOPER CANNOT DICTATE THAT
19 KIND OF CRITERIA THREE YEARS OR MORE IN ADVANCE OF GROUND-
20 BREAKING." AND FURTHER, WHAT SPECIFIC COMMITMENTS AS TO
21 WHAT THE CENTER WILL LOOK LIKE AREN'T REALLY REALISTIC AT
22 THIS STAGE.
23 SO WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO KEEP ANY PRESENTA-
24 TIONS BOTH FROM THE PROPONENTS A~D AUDIENCE, FAIRLY ~RIEF
25 AND HOPEFULLY TO PROVIDE US WITH I,~FORMATION THAT YOU FEEL
26 WE MAY NOT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO OR MAY NOT FULLY COMPREHEND.
1 WE WOULD LIKE TO START OFF THE DISCUSSION, AND FOLLOWING
2 MR. LAM'S RECOMMENDATION, BY ASKING JEFF SCERANKA TO COME
3 FORWARD. JEFF HAS BEEN SERVING AS CHAIRMAN OF THE CITIZENS
4 ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE SELECTED TO REVIEW THE
5 PROCESS OF THIS STAGE WITH SEDWAY/COOKE, OUR CONSULTANT.
6 YOU MIGHT LEAD OFF YOUR INTRODUCTION WITH,
? GENERALLY, THE COMPOSITION OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND
8 WHY YOU THINK YOU EXIST. AND THEN WE WILL GO FROM THERE.
9 MR. SCERANKA: JEFF SCERANKA, AND I'M CHAIRMAN
10 OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
11 OUR COMMITTEE, BASICALLY, HAS ATTEMPTED
12 TO REPRESENT A BROAD-BASED GROUPING OF THE COMMUNITY. WE
13 HAVE MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY; WE HAVE MEMBERS
14 OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE; WE HAVE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE
15 COMMUNITIES OF ETIWANDA, ALTA LOMA AND CUCAMONGA; WE HAVE
16 PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN HORSE TRAILS. WE HAVE PEOPLE
17 IN WHAT I THINK TO BE AS COMPREHENSIVE A POINT OF VIEW OF
18 THE CITY AS WE COULD POSSIBLY GET. OUR MEETINGS HAVE BEEN
19 GOING ON FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO MONTHS. WE'VE BEEN MEETING
20 AND CONSIDERING THE GENERAL PLAN. WE'VE BEEN GOING OVER
21 THE CONCEPTS AND GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY WITH THE PLANNING
22 CONSULTANT. WE HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PLANNING
23 COMMISSION AND TWO REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY COUNCIL ON
24 OUR COMMITTEE, AND DURING THAT TIME, WE HAVE MOVED TOWARDS
25 RESOLUTION OF SOME OF THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT THOSE OF
26 US IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING SINCE INCORPORA-
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1 TION tO BUILD A GOOD STRONG, VIABLE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE
2 BEEN WORKING ON tHOSE GOALS.
3 IN CONSIDERING THE FRAMEWORK OF THE GENERAL
4 PLAN COMMITTEE, WE HAVE TRIED TO MAKE THE INPUT PROCESS AS
5 COMPLETE AS POSSIBLE. I'D LIKE TO MENTION THAT ALL OUR
B MEETINGS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. WE ASK THE PEOPLE WITHIh
7 THE COMMUNITY TO COME AND GIVE THEIR INPUT. THE MEMBERS OF
8 THE COMMITTEE ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES ALLOWED TO SPEA~, AND
9 WE EMPHASIZE THAT. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS MUCH R~PRESEN-
10 TAT[ON FROM ALL THE COMMUNITY AS POSSIBLE.
11 IN TERMS OF THE DECISION THAT WE HAD TO
12 MAKE, IN TERMS OF ADVICE TOWARDS THE PLANNING COMMISSION
13 AND THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE ISSUES OF A REGIONAL SHOPPIHG
14 CENTER, I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT INTO FOCUS BY LOOKING AT
15 WHAT KINDS OF THINGS WE HAD TO LOOK AT. INSTEAD OF LOOKING
16 AT SITE PLANS IN OUR CONSIDERATIONS, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE
17 IMPACT OF A REGIONAL CENTER ON OUR COMMUNITY. WE WERE
18 LOOKING AT THE LONG-RANGE GOALS FOR OUR CITY AND TO SEE
19 HOW THE REGIONAL CENTER WOULD FIT INTO THOSE LONG-RANGE
20 GOALS. IN DOING THAT, WE~VE COME UP WITH THREE BASIC
21 COMPONENTS TO CONSIDER FOR A REGIONAL CENTER AND HOW IT
22 AFFECTS OUR CITY: FOCUS IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE TRAFFIC
23 IMPACT OF A REGIONAL CENTER, AND UTILITY OR USEFULNESS OF
24 A REGIONAL CENTER ON OUR COMMUNITY.
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IN TERMS OF FOCUS OF THE CITY, IT'S
26 GENERALLY ACCEPTED THAT THE FOCUS OF THE CITY OF RANCHO
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1 CUCAMONGA IS A REFLECTION OF THE REASON WHY MANY OF US
2 MOVED TO THE AREA AND THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA OVER THE
3 YEARS. WE HAVE HAD MUCH DISCUSSION OF THE TERM OF ~'RURAL,"
4 BUT REALLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS PEOPLE THAT MOVED
5 OUT HERE AND APPRECIATED THE MOUNTAINS. THEY HAVE APPRE-
B CIATED THE FIELDS, AND THEY HAVE APPRECIATED THE FEELING
? THAT THEY WERE NOT CLUMPED TOGETHER IN ONE BIG MASS OF
B CONCRETE. HOW TO PRESERVE THAT IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION;
9 AND, HOPEFULLY, THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS, WE CAN
10 SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH WAYS TO DO THAT.
11 THE FOCUS OF THE CITY SHOULD BE, FROM THE
12 CONSENSUS OF THE COMMITTEE, AT FOOTHILL AI~D HAVEN. THIS
13 FOCUS WOULD DIRECTLY TAKE EMPHASIS ON THE EXISTENCE OF THE
14 WINERY BUILDING ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND USE THAT AS A
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REPRESENTATION OF THE KIND OF FACTOR AND THE KIND OF IMPACT
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THAT OUR COMMUNITY FEELS ABOUT ITSELF AND THE WAY WE WANT
17 TO REPRESENT ITSELF 10 TO 20 TO 30 YEARS FROM NOW. WE DO
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NOT FEEL THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE FOCUS OF THE
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CITY AS A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER.
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IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, ONE OF THE
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MAJOR CONCERNS OF THE COMMITTEE WAS THAT WE DID NOT WANT
TO SEE A FLOW-YHROUGH TRAFFIC ON OUR CITY STREETS TO THE
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EXCESS THAT'S CAPABLE BY TAKING AN INAPPROPRIATE SITE. WE
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DO NOT CONSIDER THE FACT OF WHAT SITE IS MORE APPROPRIATE
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IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC IMPACT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WE
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CA~-~ LOOK AT THAT ISSUE AND BE RESPONSIBLE TOWARDS LOOKING
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1 AT THE NUMBERS. THOSE ARE DECISIONS THAT WE COULD NOT MAKE
2 BUT WE DO FEEL THAT WHEREVER THE SITE GOES IT SHOULD HAVE
3 AS LIMITED AN IMPACT ON TRAFFIC WITHIN OUR CITY AS POSSIBLE
4 AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A SPECIAL EMPHASIS TO LOOK AT STREETS
5 WHICH IS FOOTHILL, BASELINE, AND HAVEN AND MILLIKEN AND
6 THE IMPACT THAT THE REGIONAL CENTER WILL HAVE ON THE
7 INDUSTRIAL AREA AS WELL AS THE STREETS OF FOOTHILL AND
8 BASE LINE.
9 IN TERMS OF THE UTILITY TO THE COMe, UNITY
10 OF A REGIONAL CENTER, ITfS OBVIOUS TO THOSE OF US Ti~AT HAVE
11 BEEN SHOPPING IN PLACES SUCH AS BREA MALL AND SOUTFICOAST
12 PLAZA THAT WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR A COMPLETE SHOPPING
13 ALTERNATIVE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, AND A REGIONAL CENTER,
14 OBVIOUSLY, WILL PROVIDE THAT FOR US. WE DO NOT HAVE A
15 REGIONAL CENTER. WE DO NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF ALTERNATIVE
16 NOW; SO WE EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT, IF THE QUESTION IS TO
17 BE ASKED WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT A REGIONAL CENTER, YES,
18 WE DC.
19 THE OTHER FACTOR THAT IS TO BE CONSIDERED
20 IN TERMS OF UTILITY IN THE COMMUNITY IS THE FACT THAT IT'
21 WILL PROVIDE A STRONG TAX BASE FOR US. A REGIONAL CENTER
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WILL NOT SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY SPECIFICALLY
23 AND ONLY. IT WILL SERVE THE NEEDS OF A REGION AS WELL AS
24 THE COMMUNITY. [ THINK THAT HAS TO- BE LOOKED AT CAREFULLY.
25 IN DISCUSSI~G TH~ CONCEPT OF THE FOCUS OF THE CITY AND ~OT
26 HAVING FOOTFIILL AND HAVEN AS A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER
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1 BECAUSE THE FOCUS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT MORE RURALLY IN
2 NATURE AND CLOSELY TIED IN WITH THE WINERY, WE'VE COME UP
3 WITH THE CONCEPT THAT WE BELIEVE IS APPROPRIATE AS A DUAL
4 NUCLEI FOR THE CITY. IN OTHER WORDS, THE CIVIC CENTER
5 WOULD BE AT FOOTHILL AND HAVEN, AND THAT WOULD BE THE
6 FOCUS FOR OUR COMMUNITY; AND THE REGIONAL CENTER WOULD BE
7 IN ANOTHER LOCATION IN OUR CITY.
8 THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE CONCEPTS THAT WE
9 CAME UP WITH AND THE FACTORS WE LOOKED AT IN DETERMINING
10 THE ISSUE OF A REGIONAL CENTER FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I'D
11 BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
12 THANK YOU.
13 MR. MAYOR: THANKS, MR. SCERANKA.
14 AT THIS TIME, PERHAPS, IT MIGHT BE APPRO-
15 PRIATE TO HEAR FROM EITHER OF THE PROPONENTS. WHICH OF
16 YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEAD OFF TONIGHT?
17 MR. LEWIS: WE WERE FIRST LAST NIGHT AND WOULD
18 DEFER.
19 MR. MAYOR: PERHAPS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM
20 LYON COMPANY WOULD LIKE TO.
21 MR. FRYE: MY NAME IS GARY FRYE. I REPRESENT
22 THE WILLIAM LYON COMPANY, THE PROPONENTS FOR THE VICTORIA
23 PLAN.
24 I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN TONIGHT BY VERY
25 BRIEFLY GOING OVER SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT WE FEEL ARE
26 CENTRAL TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND HOW WE FEEL
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1 THOSE TIE IN WITH WHAT THE CITY GOALS ARE AND, ALSO, HOW
2 ALL THAT, THEN, TIES INTO THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS. WHEN
3 WE CONCEIVED VICTORIA, THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS WE
4 TRIED TO LOOK AT THE REGIONAL SETTING IN THE VALLEY. WE
5 LOOKED AT THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, CHIEFLY
$ NOTED BY INTERSTATE 10, INTERSTATE 15. WE CONSIDERED THE
7 FACT THAT THE INDUSTRIAL BLOCK FOR THE COMMUNITY WILL BE
B ALONG INTERSTATE 10 AND A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF EFFORT
9 HAS ALREADY GONE TO PLAN THAT INDUSTRIAL AREA OF THE CITY.
10 SO FOR OPENERS, IN ORIENTING TO THE EAST END OF CUCAMONGA,
11 SPECIFICALLY VICTORIA, WE PELT THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF
12 THOSE REGIONAL THINGS THAT WE HAD TO CONSIDER IN COMING UP
13 WITH A PLAN THAT HAD TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON THE CITY; AND
14 WHATEVER USES WE WOULD RECOMMEND HAD TO BE RESPONSIVE TO
15 THOSE MAJOR REGIONAL FACILITIES ALREADY IN PLACE. I THINK
16 AN ADDITIONAL REGIONAL FACILITY THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN
17 MIND IS THE FOOTHILL CORRIDOR, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT
18 TO CALL IT THE FOOTHILL FREEWAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL
19 IT, BUT I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE
20 A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION FACILITY IN THE AREA.
21 AFTER CONSIDERING THOSE, SECONDLY WE
22 LOOKED AT LOCAL CONDITIONS AND TRIED TO BE SENSITIVE TO
23 THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. WE CONSIDERED THE FACT OF THE EXISTIN
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MAJOR EAST-WEST AND NORTH-SOUTH STREET SYSTEM AND HOW THAT
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MIGHT DIRECT OUR PLANNING EFFORTS IN LOOKING AT THE
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VICTORIA AREA. WE CONSIDERED THE CHARACTER OF ETIWANDA
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1 AND FELT THAT WAS EXTREMELY VALUABLE AND FELT THAT THE
2 COMMUNITY WANTED TO RETAIN THE ETIWANDA CHARACTER AND
3 IDENTITY AS WELL AS THE CHARACTER AND IDENTITY OF ALTA
4 LOMA AND EXISTING CUCAMONGA, NEITHER OF WHICH WE FELT WE
5 HAD NEAR THE IMPACTION UPON AS ETIWANDA.
6 WE CONSIDERED OUR DIRECT FREEWAY ORIENTA-
7 TION RELATIVE TO THE DEVORE. WE CONSIDERED THE FLOOD
8 CONTROL IMPLICATIONS OF DEER.CREEK, DAY CREEK, THE EDISON
9 CORRIDORS MOVING IN A NORTH-SOUTH DIRECTION THROUGH THE ' '
10 VICTORIA SITE. WE KNEW THAT THE CITY'S INTENTION AND
11 DESIRE WAS TO HAVE A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER SOMEWHAT IN
12 CUCAMONGA. AT THE TIME WE INITIALLY WERE INVOLVED, THERE
13 WERE THREE ALTERNATIVES WHICH YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF. ONE
14 OF THOSE, NATURALLY, WAS ON OUR PROPERTY. WE FELT THAT
1S HAD A LOT OF MERIT AND FELT THAT THAT SHOULD BE AN INTEGRAL
16 PART OF THE PLAN THAT WE WOULD COME UP WITH.
17 OUR NEXT STEP, THEN, WAS TO BEGIN TO WORK
18 WITH THESE FACTORS TO BUILD A PLAN AROUND THEM WITHIN
19 THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WE FELT THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO
20 ACHIEVE. WE FELT THE KEY IN THAT WAS THAT, IF WE WERE
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GOING TO DEVELOP A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER OPPORTUNITY
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FOR THE CITY THAT WOULD BE THE, STRONGEST REGIONAL SHOPPING
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CENTER ALTERNATIVE TO THE DEPARTMENT STORES WHO WOULD BE
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LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE SITES IN THE VALLEY, WE HAD TO
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MAXIMIZE TH~ STRENGTH OF THE DEVORE FREEWAY AND ACCESSI-
26
BILITY AND VISIBILITY THAT WOULD OFFER TO A REGIONAL
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1 CENTER; YET, AT THE SAME TIME, WE FELT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY
2 ESSENTIAL TO PRESERVE ET[WANDA AND ITS CHARACTER, TO KEEP
3 THAT TRAFFIC OUT OF THE SURROUNDING CITY AS MUCH AS
4 POSSIBLE. SO, THAT WAS SOME OF THE MAJOR CONSTRAINTS AND
5 GOALS WE WANTED TO DEAL WITH, AND WE FELT THE COMMUNITY
6 WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH.
7 WE BELIEVE THE VICTORIA PLAN ACCOMPLISHES
8 ALL THOSE OBJECTIVES. WE LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF BUILDING
9 BLOCKS, MAJOR VILLAGES. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CONS~ ERED
10 EACH VILLAGE SOMEWHAT INDEPENDENTLY. WE FELT WE NE~ED
11 A GREENBELT TIE BETWEEN EACH OF THE SUPER BLOCKS IN THE
12 COMMUNITY, A TIE THAT WOULD GO SOMEWHERE, AND THAT WOULD
13 BE TO THE REGIONAL. WE FELT THAT A LAKE CONCEPT WOULD BE
14 AN EXTREMELY POWERFUL POSITIVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND WOULD
15 REPRESENT A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR A REGIONAL SHOPPING
16 CENTER TO HAVE A WATER ORIENTATION. OUR CONCEPT IS BUILT
17 AROUND THE FACT THAT THE AEGIONAL, WHILE IT IS REGIONAL
18 AND FUNCTIONS IN A REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE, ALSO OPENS ITS
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ARMS TO THE COMMUNITY TO INTERFACE DIRECTLY WITH THE
20 COMMUNITY AND NOT TO BE IN CONFLICT OR ISOLATED, BUT
21
RATHER TO OFFER THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY THE ABILITY
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TO DIRECTLY WALK BY, CYCLE INTO THE REGIONAL. SO, OUR
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DESIRE WAS NOT TO IMPACT THE COMMUNITY AND YET TO PROVIDE
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THE COMMUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY, IN ESSENCE A BONUS WITH THE
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REGIONAL.
26 I WOULD LIKE TO LIST OR JUST GO OVER,
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1 BRIEFLY, HOW I FEEL OUR PROPOSAL TIES IN WITH THE GOALS AND
2 OBJECTIVES OF THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE COMMUNITY. WE FEEL
3 THAT THE SITE AS PROPOSED, THAT THE DEVORE FREEWAY
4 REPRESENTS THE BEST REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER LOCATION FOR
5 RANCHO CUCAMONGA. WE FEEL IT'S THE ONLY SITE IN RANCHO
6 CUCAMONGA THAT HAS A TRULY REGIONAL LOCATION. CHIEFLY
7 BECAUSE IT'S A REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AND NOT AN
8 INTERNAL CITY STREET SYSTEM. SO, GOAL ONE OF THE GOALS OF
9 THE COMMUNITY WAS TO ATTRACT A REGIONAL CENTER. WE FEEL
10 WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT.
11 ANOTHER MAJOR GOAL OF THE COMMUNITY WAS TO
12 HAVE A REGIONAL AND YET NOT HAVE THAT IMPACT THE CITY
13 CIRCULATION SYSTEM. WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT BY BEING
14 ON THE DEVORE FREEWAY. WE HAVE EXPLAINED HOW WE CAN
15 REDESIGN THE ON AND OFF RAMPS OF FOOTHILL BOULEVARD SUCH
16 THAT THE INGRESS AND EGRESS IN AND OUT OF THE REGIONAL
17 WILL BE BASICALLY IN THE REGIONAL SYSTEM AND NOT ON THE
18 CITY'S STREET SYSTEM.
19 WE ARE AWARE ANOTHER MAJOR GENERAL PLAN GOA
20 IS TO PROVIDE FOR MASS TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE
21 CITY. WE FEEL THAT ESSENTIAL TO THAT GOAL IS THAT MASS
22 TRANSIT BE ORIENTED NOT ONLY COMMUNITYWISE, BUT ALSO IN
23 A REGIONAL CONTEXT. TO BE OPTIMIZED IN A REGIONAL PERSPEC-
24 TIVE, IT NEEDS TO BE A REGIONAL SYSTEM. THEREFORE BEING
25 ON THE DEVORE FREEWAY GIVES THIS REGIONAL A MUCH STRONGER
26 POTENTIAL FOR REGIONAL MASS TRANSIT THAN ON A SITE INTERNAL
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1 TO THE CITY WOULD.
2 AS I MENTIONED, WE FEEL THIS PROPOSAL OR
3 THIS LOCATION PRESERVES THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING ETIWANDA
4 YET, AS I MENTIONED, WITH OUR PROPOSAL TO IMPLEMENT A
5 NEW MAJOR NORTH-SOUTH ARTERY CALLED DAY CREEK PARKWAY,
6 IT WOULD COMPLETELY ELIMINATE -- I SHOULDN'T SAY COMPLETEL'
7 ELIMINATE -- BUT IT WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE TRAFFIC
8 IMPACTION ON ETIWANDA AVENUE. AND WE ARE CONFIDENT WE
9 COULD PREVENT ETIWANDA AVENUE FROM HAVING TO BE CHANGED.
10 THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT IS COMPLEMENTED If THE FOOTHILL
11 FREEWAY WERE TO HAPPEN IN THAT WE WOULD HAVE A DIR~:CT TIE
12 AT THE FOOTHILL FREEWAY DIRECTLY TO THE REGIONAL, WHICH
13 WOULD IN TURN BE TIED DIRECTLY TO FOOTHILL BOULEVARD AT
14 THE INTERCHANGE. THIS PARKWAY WOULD BE DESIGNED TO HANDLE
15 THIS TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE GOING TO AND FROM THE REGIONAL;
16 BUT, AS I MENTIONED, IT WOULD PRESERVE ETIWANDA FROM BEING
17 IMPACTED.
18 WE THINK THAT WITH THE REGIONAL AT THE
19 DEVORE FREEWAY, THAT THIS SITE, BY LOCATING THE REGIONAL
20 THERE, PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF RANCHO
21 CUCAMONGA TO COME UP WITH A STRONG COMMUNITY CENTER FOCUS
22 IN THE CENTER. OF TOWN, SPECIFICALLY FOOTHILL AND HAVEN.
23 IT'S OUR BELIEF THAT BY NOT MIXING CITY HALL WITH THE
24 REGIONAL THAT YOU CA;~ DEVELOP THE STRONG COMMUNITY CENTRAL
25 FOCUS THAT YOU ARE AFTER. WE THINK THAT THERE'S A NUMBER
26 OF WAYS THAT CAN ~E DONE, BUT WE WOULD PERCEIVE THE
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1 POSSIBILITY OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, INCLUDING CITY HALL,
2 PERHAPS A COMMUNITY HOSPITAL, PERHAPS A THEMATIC TYPE OF
3 SHOPPING CENTER THAT COULD DRAW ON THE HISTORY OF THE
4 COMMUNITY, SOME LOCAL CULTURAL FACILITIES. WE THINK ALL
5 THOSE KINDS OF THINGS REPRESENT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS,
6 AND WE THINK THAT'S THE PERFECT SITE FOR THOSE KINDS OF
7 USES.
8 ADDITIONALLY, WE FEEL THAT THERE COULD BE
9 A POTENTIAL TO TIE THAT COMMUNITY LOCATION INTO THE
10 COMMUNITY THROUGH THE USE OF DEER CREEK, WHICH WE THINK
11 WOULD ORIENT VERY WELL TO THAT CORNER. AS YOU KNOW, THAT
12 WOULD BE A MAJOR NORTH-SOUTH EQUESTRIAN AND BICYCLE AS
13 WELL AS PEDESTRIAN TRAIL. WE ALSO FEEL THAT THE EAST-
14 WEST PACIFIC, THE OLD RED CAR LINE COULD ADDITIONALLY HAVE
15 A TIE-IN TO A MAJOR COMMUNITY CENTER AT FOOTHILL AND
16 HAVEN. SO, WE THINK THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT
17 ORIENT WELL TO THAT SITE. NOT ALL OF THEM DIRECTLY, BUT
18 THE TIES COULD BE MADE THAT OFFER THAT CORNER THE UNIQUE
19 ABILITY TO TIE ALL THREE AREAS OF CUCAMONGA TOGETHER --
20 ALTA LOMA, CUCAMONGA, AND ETIWANDA.
21 WE THINK THAT THE EXISTENCE OF THE WINERY
22
ON THE OTHER CORNER WOULD ALSO PROVIDE AN EXCELLENT
23 BACKDROP FOR A CIVIC CENTER COMPLEX. PERSONALLY, I FEEL
24 THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST ATTRACTIVE STRUCTURES IN THE VALLEY
25 I JUST THINK THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.
28 ANOTHER KEY ~OINT THAT WE FEEL NEEDS TO
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1 BE CONSIDERED IS THAT LOCATING THE REGIONAL AT THE DEVORE
2 FREEWAY WILL INSURE THAT THE INDUSTRIAL AREA AND ACCESS
3 TO THE INDUSTRIAL AREA WILL NOT BE IMPACTED BY REGIONAL
4 SHOPPING CENTER TRAFFIC. BASICALLY, THE INDUSTRIAL AREA,
$ AS WE SEE IT, WILL BE SERVICED BY 1-10; THE REGIONAL
6 SHOPPING CENTER BY 1-15. THAT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE FOR
? THE REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER AT FOOTHILL AND HAVEN.
6 WE THINK THAT HAVING THE REGIONAL AT THE
9 DEVORE FREEWAY ALSO OFFERS THE CITY A LOT OF BENEFITS FOR
10 MASS TRANSIT. WITH A REGIONAL FOCUS AT THE DEVORE AND
11 FOOTHILL AND WITH THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AT FOOTHILL AND
12 HAVEN WITH THE INDUSTRIAL SOUTH OF THAT AND CHAFFEY
13 COLLEGE DIRECTLY NORTH ON HAVEN, WE FEEL THAT THE SYSTEM
14 WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT SEDWAY-COOKE HAS BEEN TALKING
15 ABOUT COULD HAVE MUCH STRONGER VIABILITY THAN IF YOUR ONLY
16 FOCUS WAS AT FOOTHILL AND HAVEN. AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT,
17 YOU NEED DESIGNATION POINTS. THAT WOULD GIVE STRONG
18 DESIGNATION POINTS IN A LOOP THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE
19 ALSO FEEL, IN TERMS OF MASS TRANSIT CONSIDERATIONS, THAT
20 WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT THE ACCESS, AS I MENTIONED, OF
21 THE REGIONAL TO THE DEVORE FREEWAY AND THE FACT THAT THAT
IS A MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM ALREADY IN PLACE. SO WE FEEL
23 THAT THE REGIONAL BEING LOCATED THERE TAKES ADVANTAGE OF
24
THAT.
25 ANOTHER POINT WE FEEL IS IMPORTANT IN
26 YOUR DECISION AS TO THE LOCATIOFI ON THE GENERAL PLAN LEVEL
21
1 IS, WE THINK THERE'S A SENSE OF SCALE THAT NEEDS TO BE
2 CONSIDERED. WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THE SCALE OF A REGIONAL
3 FACILITY IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMMUNITY MIGHT BE TOO HEAVY.
4 WE THINK THAT THE SCALE OF A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER
B WOULD BE PROPER ADJACENT TO A REGIONAL FACILITY.
6 ANOTHER POINT THAT WE HAVEN'~ DISCUSSED
7 BUT I THINK IS A VERY KEY POINT FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER
8 IN YOUR DECISION ON A REGIONAL LOCATION IS NOT ONLY WHERE
9 THE REGIONAL ITSELF GOES, BUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AROUNC
10 THE REGIONAL AND WHAT IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE ON THE CITY.
11 IF YOU CONSIDER THE VICTORIA PROPOSAL BEHIND YOU, WHAT
12 WE HAVE DONE IS, YOU'LL NOTICE AROUND THE RED REGIONAL
13 THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF ORANGE. THE RR DESIGNATION
14 STANDS FOR REGIONAL RELATED. NOW, WE HAVE STUDIED REGIONAL
15 CEF!TERS ALL OVER SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. OF PARTICULAR
16 INTEREST WOULD BE SOUTHCOAST PLAZA. NOW, WHAT STRIKES ME
17 ABOUT SOUTHCOAST PLAZA IS THAT I'VE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF
18 PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO SHOP IN SOUTHCOAST PLAZA. THE
19 REASON THEY SHOP IN SOUTHCOAST PLAZA IS THAT HAS SUCH
20 TREMENDOUS COMMERCIAL POWER AND SUPPLY THAT YOU CAN GO
21 THERE AND LITERALLY HAVE YOUR CHOICE OF EVERY STORE, I
22 THINK, THAT PRACTICALLY MARKETS IN CALIFORNIA. I THINK
23 A KEY FOR THE CITY IS TO SAY A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER
24 CAN REALLY BE A BEGINNING POINT, THAT THERE ARE TREMENDOUS
25 OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT ASSOCIATE WITH THE REGIONAL
26 AROUND SOUTHCOAST PLAZA, AND WE ENVISION IT COULD HAPPEN
22
1 AROUND THIS REGIONAL, WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A
2 REGIONAL CULTURAL ATTRACTION SUCH AS PERFORMING ARTS
3 THEATERS. THESE NEED TO DRAW FROM A VERY LARGE MARKET.
4 THAT REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER WOULD PROVIDE A PERFECT
5 SYNERGISTIC EFFECT FOR THAT KIND OF USE WHICH SOUTHCOAST
6 PLAZA HAS DONE IN ORANGE COUNTY. IT CAN BECOME, NOT ONLY
? THE MAJOR COMMERCIAL ATTRACTION, BUT ALSO THE MAJOR
8 REGIONAL CULTURAL ATTRACTION. WE THINK THAT THE CITY
9 NEEDS TO PROVIDE, AROUND A REGIONAL, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
10 MAJOR CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, HOME IMPROVEMENTS CEi~TERS,
11 ALL THESE KINDS Of USES WILL BE ATTRACTED BECAUSE THE
12 REGIONAL CENTER IS DRAWING REGIONAL TRAFFIC. SO, IT MAKES
13 SENSE, WHEN YOU ARE DESIGNING A REGIONAL, TO PROVIDE FOR
14 THE MARKET tHAT THAT GENERATES AROUND YOUR REGIONAL AND
lS TO DESIGN FOR It. IN LOOKING AT SOUTHCOAST PLAZA, WE
16 THINK THAT A LOT Of THINGS HAPPENED AROUND SOUTHCOAST
17 PLAZA, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER PLANNED FOR HAD THEY
18 KNOWN OR ANTICIPATED THE RESPONSE IN TERMS OF COMPLEMENTARY
19
USES TO THE REGIONAL ITSELF. WE FEEL THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE
20 WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO ALLOW THE CITY OF CUCAMONGA tO CAPI-
TALIZE ON FULL MAXIMUM BENEFITS FROM THE REGIONAL CENTER.
22 AGAIN, ALL OF THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
23 CITY IS STILL NOT IMPACTING THE CITY STREET SYSTEM. IT'S
24 MAINTAINED WITHIN THE REGIONAL CIRCULATION SYSTEM. WHILE
25
ALL THAT IS TRUE, ALSO ANY AND ALL INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD
26 BE USING THAT REGIONAL HAVE A COMMUNITY TIE INTO ALL OF
23
1 THE FACILITIES IN VICTORIA -- THE TRAIL SYSTEMS, THE WATER
2 SO ON AND SO FORTH. WE FEEL IT COULD BE AN EXCELLENT
3 AREA FOR HOTELS, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEKING LEISURE. SO,
4 WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE MAXIMIZED THE POTENTIAL OF THE
5 REGIONAL WITH REGIONAL RELATED. IF THAT IS SOMETHING
6 ATTRACTIVE TO THE CITY AND THAT YOU WANT TO CAPITALIZE ON,
7 WE THINK OUR PLAN WILL MAXIMIZE THAT POTENTIAL. WE THINK
8 THE CUMULATIVE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF A REGIONAL WITH PROPERL
9 SCALED REGIONAL RELATED IS TREMENDOUS AND IS WORTH GOING
10 AFTER. I BELIEVE THE IMPACT OF THE REGIONAL RELATED IS
11 PROBABLY AS SIGNIFICANT FINANCIALLY IN TERMS OF REVENUE
12 FOR THE CITY AS THE REGIONAL ITSELF. SO, THAT'S AN
13 IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR DECISION,~ TOO~ HOW WELL DOES THE
14 AREA AROUND THE REGIONAL ALLOW CAPITALIZING ON THE MARKET
15 THAT THAT WILL GENERATE?
16 ANOTHER CONSIDERATION I THINK IS TIMING.
17 I THINK EVERYONE IS CONCERNED AS TO IF THE CITY CAN CAP-
18 TURE REGIONAL, CAN THE CITY MOVE FAST ENOUGH IF NECESSARY
19 TO ACTUALLY TIE UP AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A REGIONAL CENTER
20 OPPORTUNITY AND GET IT OFF THE GROUND. I THINK AS MOST
21 OF YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FINISHED ALL OF OUR WORK IN PLANNING
22 ON VICTORIA, ~ND WE FEEL THAT WE ARE BASICALLY IN A
23 POSITION TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THE MARKET IMMEDIATELY
24 WITH A FINDING OF THE VICTORIA E.I.R. AND P.C. WE HAVE
25 THE DRAFTS PREPARED AND BELIEVE THAT BY MID-APRIL, WE
26 COULD ACTUALLY BE PREPARED TO FORMALLY MAKE A FINDING OF
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1 THE E.I.R. AND P.C.
2 A CONSIDERATION THAT HAS COME UP IS HOW
3 ABOUT LOCAL OR COMMUNITY SHOPPING? I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE
4 THAT BOTH THE VICTORIA AND TERRA VISTA PLANS PROVIDE FOR
S LOCAL SHOPPING AND FOR LOCAL BUSINESSMEN TO HAVE AN
6 OPPORTUNITY IN THE COMMUNITY. IT WILL BE A FUNCTION OF
7 THE GENERAL PLAN CONSULTANT TO INSURE THAT THE RIGHT SIZE
8 AND M[X Of LOCAL COMMERCIAL WILL 8E PROVIDED IN BOTH PLANS,
9 WHICH WE UNDERSTAND THEY ALREADY HAVE BASICALLY DO~E THAT
10 AND HAVE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS READY. SO, I'D LIKE TO
11 EMPHASIZE THAT THE LOCAL SHOPPING WILL BE PROVIDED IN
12 LOCAL SHOPPING CENTERS. IN ESSENCE, THEN, THE REASONABLE
13 NATURAL CENTER, IF IT MATERIALIZES, IN THIS CITY WOULD
14 BE A BONUS FOR THE RESIDENTS.
15 I TtiINK ONE OTHER POINT THAT HAS OCCURRED
16 TO ME THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED BUT I THINK NEEDS TO
17 BE IS Tile FOOTHILL CORRIDOR. I BELIEVE THAT IT'S VERY
18 SIGNIFICANT THAT THE CITY CONSIDER WHERE A REGIONAL CENTER
19 SHOULD BE IF THE FOOTHILL FREEWAY WERE A REALITY. I DO
20 NOT BELIEVE THAT THE LOCATION OF A REGIONAL SHOPPING
21 CENTER AT THE CORNER OF FOOTHILL AND HAVEN WOULD TAKE
22 ADVANTAGE OF THE FOOT~ILL FREEWAY. I THINK THAT THAT
23 WOULD STILL ALLOW FOR THE STREETS TO BE IMPACTED INTERNALLY
24 WITH TRAFFIC, WHEREAS A REGIONAL ON THE DEVORE WOULD BE
25 ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FOOTHILL FREEWAY IN THAT MOST
26 OF THE TRAFFIC IN THE WEST OR [~ORTHWEST WOULD PROBABLY
25
1 CHOOSE THE FOOTHILL FREEWAY AS THE FASTEST ROUTE TO THE
2 REGIONAL ON THE DEVORE BY GOING OUT THE FOOTHILL AND DOWN
3 1-15. I THINK THAT'S AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION
4 IN YOUR DECISION THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF
S THE FOOTHILL FREEWAY IF IT HAPPENS. BY LOCATING THE
6 REGIONAL ON THE DEVORE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND
7 MINIMIZE EVEN FURTHER THE IMPACTION OF THE REGIONAL ON
8 YOUR CITY STREET SYSTEM.
9 THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. ARE THERE ANY
10 QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER?
11 THANK YOU.
12 MR. MAYOR: THANK YOU, MR. FRYE.
13 MR. BERINI: IF I MAY. STEVE BERINI, VICE-
14 PRESIDENT OF ERNEST W. HAHN.
15 WHILE THE THREE YEARS OF YOUR PLANNING IS
16 FINALLY COMING TO A HEAD TONIGHT, ALMOST TWO AND A HALF
17 YEARS OF PLANNING FOR HAHN COMPANY FOR THE LOCATION OF
18 THE REGIONAL CENTER IN THIS GENERAL AREA IS COMING TO A
19
HEAD. OUR PLANNING WAS NOT TO LIMIT IN SCOPE IN THE SENSE
20 WE DO NOT LIMIT OUR BOUNDARIES TO RANCHO CUCAMONGA FOR THE
21
SITE OF THE REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER, BUT OVER TWO AND
22
A HALF YEARS ~GO, WE SAW THIS AREA AS A REGIONAL MARKET
23
TO LOCATE A REGIONAL CENTER IN. OUR COMPANY IS OWNED AND
24
OPERATED AND STILL MANAGES THE TYLER MALL AND MONTCLA[R
26
PLAZA, AND WE RECOGNIZED THAT YEARS AGO THAT THIS WOULD
26
BE A VIABLE MARKET FOR ANOTHER REGIONAL-TYPE CENTER. SO,
26
1 THE FIRST THING TO DO AS FAR AS WE WERE CONCERNED IS TO
2 ANALYZE THE MARKET. AND WE HAVE FINALLY GRAVITATED TO
3 THE POMONA FREEWAY TO THE SAN BERNARDINO FREEWAY, UP TO
4 DEVORE FREEWAY AND DECIDED IN OUR BEST INTEREST WITHOUT
5 TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ANYONE ELSE'S BEST INTEREST
6 THAT THE FOOTHILL AND 1-15 SITE WAS A DESIROUS SITE FOR
? A REGIONAL-TYPE SHOPPING CENTER.
$ THE NEXT STEP WE DID WAS TO POLL THE STORE!
9 WHO, OF COURSE, ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF ANY REGIONAL
10 SHOPPING CENTER. YOU CANNOT, NO MATTER HOW YOU PLAN, NO
11 MATTER HOW YOU DESIRE TO PLAN, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE
12 SUPPORT OF THOSE STORES, IT WILL NEVER COME TO FRUITION.
13 WE THINK OUR PLANS AND OUR SITE LOCATION HAS DEVELOPED TO
14 THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE COMMITMENTS FROM FOUR MAJOR STORES
15 YOU MAY CONSIDER THAT TO BE OUT OF THE REALM OF THE
18 PLANNING STAGE, BUT IT DOES HAVE SOME RELEVANCE IN THE
17 SENSE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN DOING THIS BUSINESS,
18 NAMELY THE DEVELOPER AND SHOPPING CENTER MAdOR DEPARTMENT
STORES, HAVE SOME ANALYSIS OF WHAT PLANNING IS ALL ABOUT
20 AND WHERE THEIR REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER SHOULD BE LOCATED
21 AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE BROADWAY AND MAY COMPANY ARE
22 OUR PARTNERS. WALKER SCOTT, AS A DEPARTMENT STORE, HAS
23 SIGNED A~ AGREEMENT TO COME IN OUR STORE, AND WE HAVE A
24 LETTER FROM BUFFUM~ WANTING TO COME IN THE CENTER.
25 WHAT'S IMPORTANT FROM THE ASPECT OF WHY
26 THE LOCATION ON THE FREEWAY, AND WE STRESSED IN THE LAST
27
1 THREE DAYS, IN THE LAST YEAR, IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THE
2 IMPORTANCE OF THE FREEWAY LOCATION, I THINK WE HAVE TO
3 UHDERSTAND THE MIX IN A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER. AND
4 REGIO~AL HAS A VERY IMPORTANT RING TO IT. WE ARE TALKING
5 ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF PEOPLE HERE. WE ARE
6 TALKING ABOUT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY WHEREIN MOST OF YOUR
7 PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SHOP AT THE REGIONAL CENTER, THE
8 MOST FREQUENCY OF TRIPS ARE GOING TO OCCUR MAYBE THREE
9 TO FIVE MILES. I THINK THAT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED NOT
10 ONLY BY OUR CONSULTANT, BUT BY ANY CONSULTANT. THERE IS
11 ANOTHER PORTION OF THAT 40 PERCENT THAT IS GOING TO COME
12 FROM FIVE, 10 TO 20 MILES OR EVEN 30 MILES AWAY. NOW,
13 THE IMPACT OF THESE PEOPLE ON CITY STREETS IS OF UTMOST
14 CONCERN, NOT ONLY TO THE CITY AS IT SHOULD BE, BUT ALSO
15 TO THE DEVELOPER AND OWNER OF THE SHOPPING CENTER AREA
16 AND ALL THE RELATED FACILITIES, BECAUSE T;ffE EASE OF
17 ACCESS OF THOSE PEOPLE TO THE SHOPPING CENTER OBVIOUSLY
18 MAKES IT MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR THEM TO COME AND COME AGAIN.
19 OBVIOUSLY, THAT MAKES THE CENTER MORE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE
20 IT BRINGS THE PEOPLE THERE MORE AND MORE, AND OBVIOUSLY
21 THEY BUY MORE. BUT THAT WAS JUST THE ECONOMIC CONSIDERA-
22 TIONS OF IT, .WHY IT SHOULD GO AT FOOTHILL AND 1-15.
23 THEN, AFTER THAT WE LOOKED AT A SITE, AND
24 LOOKING AT A SITE WITH THE LYON COMPANY, WE HAD A GOLDEN
25 OPPORTUNITY, NOT ONLY TO SIT A REGIONAL-TYPE SHOPPING
26 CENTER THAT WOULD JUST TURN OUT THE CASH REGISTER, BUT
28
1 WE HAD THE ABILITY TO INCORPORATE THE NEW IDEAS WHICH WE
2 THINK ARE VERY INNOVATIVE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER INDUSTRY
3 IN THAT WE ARE USING MIXTURES OF FACILITIES IN OUR CENTERS
4 WHERE WE HAVE A HUNDRED. ACRES DESIGNATED FOR A REGIONAL
5 CENTER, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 200 ACRES THAT IS ALSO
6 REGIONAL-RELATED FACILITIES. BUT NOT ONLY THAT, WE ALSO
7 HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE THE SOCIAL AMENITIES THAT WOULD
8 BE OF BENEFIT NOT ONLY TO THE RANCHO CUCAMONGA COM~,IUNITY
9 BUT ALSO TO THE RESIDENTS OF VICTORIA. OUR USE OF THE
10 ICE SKATING RINK, OF THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES, OF
11 DAY CARE FACILITIES, ALL TYING INTO THE COMMUNITY ABOVE
12 US WITH A TIE-IN OF A LAKE AND RESTAURANTS AND EVERYTHING
13 ELSE, WE THINK PROVIDES A DAY-ONE STEP THAT, UNFORTUNATELY
14 MANY OF THE COMMUNITIES OR MANY OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE
15 BEING DEVELOPED TODAY DO NOT HAVE THE LUXURY OF HAVI~IG
16 BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO FIHD A HUNDRED-ACRE PARCEL OR
17 200-ACRE PARCEL THAT HAS A LAND USE PLAN YET TO BE
18 DESIGNATED FOR IT. AND WE ARE dUST HAPPY TO BE ON THE
19 FRONT END OF IT. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE PLANS, AND WE
20 REALLY HOPE THAT YOU ENVISION IT THE SAME WAY WE DO.
21 WE WILL BE, OF COURSE, AVAILABLE TO ANSWER
22 QUESTIONS ALL. NIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS?
23 MR. MAYOR: THANK YOU, MR. BERINI.
24 MR. FRYE, DO YOU HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT
25 WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE YOUR PARTICULAR AREA?
26 MR. FRYE: NO.
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1 MR. MAYOR: PERHAPS, THEN, A REPRESENTATIVE OF
2 LEWIS COMPANY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A PRESENTATION. IT LOOKS
$ LIKE WE ARE WORKING 0~ ABOUT 29 TO 30 MINUTES, IF YOU
4 WANT THAT LONG.
S MR. LEWIS: I'M RALPH LEWIS OF LEWIS HOMES,
6 AND WE ARE THE OWNERS OF THE TERRA VISTA SITE, 1300 ACRES
? STARTING AT FOOTHILL AND HAVEN. AS PARTNERS WITH US IN
B WHAT WE HOPE WILL BE A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER SITE, A
9 HUNDRED ACRES RIGHT AT THE CORNER, WOULD BE THE HOMART
10 COMPANY, WHICH IS THE SHOPPING CENTER DEVELOPMENT SUBSIDIAR
11 OF SEARS. SEARS, AS YOU KNOW, IS THE LARGEST RETAIL CHAIN
12 IN THE WHOLE WORLD. SO, WE FEEL WE HAVE A PRETTY SUB-
13 STANTIAL AND KNOWLEDGEABLE PARTNER.
14 BEFORE I GET INTO nY NOTES, I WOULD LIKE
15 TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT'S BEEN SAID BY THE PRIOR
18 SPEAKERS. JEFF AND HIS CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I
17 THINK, HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, AND WE ARE BENEFITED BY
18 THEIR DISCUSSIONS. HOWEVER, HE MENTIONED THAT AN EMPHASIS
19 ON RURAL CONCEPT AND THE COMMITTEE FEELS THAT FOOTHILL AND
20 HAVEN SHOULD FOLLOW THE RURAL CONCEPT. THIS WAS DISCUSSION
21 HAD LAST NIGHT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND ONE OF THE
22
PLANHI~G COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONED THE RURAL CONCEPT. THIS
23
WAS A RURAL AREA, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MOVED
24
HERE BECAUSE IT WAS RURAL. BUT IT'S HARD TO RECONCILE
25
THAT NOW WITH HAVING 5,000 INDUSTRIAL ACRES BELOW FOOTNILL
26
AND ALL OF THE EXTENSIVE OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL, PROFESSIONA
3O
I DEVELOPMENT THAT DAON IS PROPOSING, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
2 FOR EXAMPLE, WE TALKED TO A MAJOR BANK TODAY SAYING THAT
3 ONE OF OUR FIRST STEPS WILL BE TO PUT AN OFFICE BUILDING
4 RIGHT NEAR FOOTHILL AND HAVEN AND SUGGESTING, IF THE BANK
$ PAID ENOUGH IN SPACE, WE'D CALL IT THE SO AND SO BANK
6 BUILDING. BUT IT WOULD BE A HIGH-RISE BUILDING AND THE
7 THEME IS NOT GOING TO BE RURAL ANYMORE. IF YOU WANT TO
8 KEEP IT RURAL, LET'S KEEP GROWING GRAPES HERE, BUT YOU
9 ARE INVITING LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND EMPLOYEES INTO THIS
10 NEW AREA, AND IT'S GOING TO CHANGE RAPIDLY.
11 WE DIDN'T FEEL WE LOST LAST NIGHT IN A
12 WAY. WE ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION
13 TO THE CONSULTANT THAT THE REGIONAL GO ON OUR LAND, AND THE
14 SAID, NO, WE RECOMMEND IT GO ON THE HAHN SITE. BUT WE,
15 MEANING THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RECOMMEND THAT THE MAJOR
16 COMMUNITY CENTER BE SHOWN ON OUR SITE. AND BY COMMUNITY,
17 I THINK THEY MEANT THAT IN THE SENSE OF A COMMUNITY
18 SHOPPING CENTER, NOT A COMMUNITY CENTER WHERE WE HAVE ALL
19 THE CULTURAL ACTIVITIES AND SO ON THAT MR. FRYE GRACIOUSLY
20 IS GOING TO GIVE TO US. I HAD A FEELING THAT ALL THE
21 GRAVY GOES DOWN TO THE OTHER END AND WE GET ALL THE NON-
22
REVENUE PRODUCERS. BUT WE STILL THINK, NOTWITHSTANDING
23 WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID, THAT THE REGIONAL DOES
24 BELONG IN OUR CORNER, AND I'LL TRY TO ELABORATE ON IT.
25 THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS WITH TItE HAHN SITE.
26 NOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M TALKING MORE ABOUT WHAT'S WRONG
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1 WITH THEIR SITE AND WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT THEIR SITE, BUT YOU
2 ALL HAVE HEARD OUR PRESENTATIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT
3 OUR SITE, HOMART, SLIDES AND THE RECORD OF THEIR EXPERTISE
4 THE CITY IS VERY ANXIOUS TO HAVE A REGIONAL CENTER. WE
5 WANT IT. THEY WANT IT. THE CITY WANTS IT. YOU NEED THE
8 CONVENIENCE OF THE SHOPPING AND YOU NEED THE IMPORTANT
7 SALES TAX REVENUE. SO, THERE'S NO ARGUMENT OVER EVERYBODY
8 WANTING A REGIONAL CENTER. WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU RECOMMEND
9 THAT ZONING AND LATER YOU ACTUALLY ZONE THE CORNERS AND
10 DESIGNATE THE REGIONAL TO BE ON THE HAHN SITE? THEN WE
11 ARE GOING TO DEVELOP SOME OTHER THINGS ON OUR CORNER.
12 WE WON'T JUST SIT AND GROW GRAPES ON IT.
13 SUPPOSE, THEN -- AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS
14 A REAL UNLIKELY THING; I THINK IT'S A REAL POSSIBILITY ---
15 SUPPOSE, THEN, THAT THE HAHN GROUP CAN'T GO AHEAD? THEN
18 YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY CENTER. THERE ARE PEOPLE
17 PLANNING NEARBY CENTERS, LIKE THERE'S A GROUP THAT WOULD
18 LIKE TO BUY THE RAC~,TRACK IN ONTARIO AND PUT A REGIONAL
19 CENTER IN THERE. AND IF IT TAKES TOO LONG TO GET IT IN
20 RANCHO CUCAMONGA, IT WILL BE THERE. THEN WE ALL AGREE
21
THAT THERE'S ONLY ROOM RIGHT NOW IN THIS VALLEY FOR ONE
REGIONAL. TEN, 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THERE WOULD BE
23
ROOM FOR MORE.
24 NOW, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE'S A
25 FLOOD PROBLEM AT THE HAHN SITE. NOT THAT THE SITE ITSELF
28 IS IN DANGER OF BEING WASHED AWAY. THEY CAN GUARD AGAINST
32
1 THAT WITH GRADING AND WALLS AND SO ON. BUT THE PROBLEM IS
2 WILL THAT 300 ACRES THEY JUST MENTIONED -- A HUNDRED
3 ACRES OF REGIONAL ITSELF AND 200 ACRES OF REGIONAL RELATED,
4 THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF BLACKTOP AND ROOFTOP. NONE OF THAT
5 WATER PERCOLATES DOWN. SOME COULD GO INTO THE LAKE SYSTEM,
6 BUT EVENTUALLY IT ALL GOES INTO DAY CREEK. AND WE HEARD
7 THE OTHER NIGHT, WELL, THEY TALKED TO THE COUNTY AND
8 DISCUSSED THE FLOOD PROBLEM AND IT'S NOT THERE. I HOPE
9 THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER THIS TONIGHT AND CHECK AND ASK YOUR
10 STAFF, BUT WE CALLED THE COUNTY FLOOD ENGINEER AND, 3KED
11 IS THERE A SOLUTION FOR THE DAY CREEK -- IS THERE A PLACE
12 FOR THE WATER TO GO; AND HE SAID, GOSH, NO. IT'S A
13 TERRIBLE PROBLEM. AND WE ASKED BILL MANN, WHO USED TO BE
14 THE COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL ENGINEER, AS A CONSULTANT, SAID
15 WHAT ABOUT IT? WHERE WILL THE WATER GO? INTO DAY CREEK?
16 AND HE SAYS IT'S A PROBLEM. WHEREVER THERE'S HEAVY RAIN,
17 IT FLOODS DOWNSTREAM. HE SAID IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE.
18 NOW, BY CONTRAST, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOOD
19 TO HAVE A SHOPPING CENTER NEAR DEER CREEK BECAUSE THE
20 WATER GOES SOMEWHERE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. DEER
21 CREEK IS BEING IMPROVED, AND ANY WATER GOES RIGHT DOWN
22 TO WHERE IT'S.SUPPOSED TO BE AT PRADO DAM. BUT INCREASE
23 THE RUNOFF INTO DAY CREEK AND YOU CREATE GREAT PROBLEMS.
24 SO, I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE HAHN CENTER CAN'T BE
25
BUILT TILL THAT'S SOLVED.
26 NOW, O~E WAY THOSE PROBLEMS GET SOLVED IS
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1 FOR T?~E DEVELOPERS JUST TO DIG IN THEIR POCKET AND PAY FOR
2 IT. BUT I GOT A GUESS OF SOMETHING LIKE 20 MILLION TO DO
3 IT, MAYBE MORE, AND THAT'S A LOT FOR THE DEVELOPER TO KICK
4 IN. NOW, IF THEY HAVE THE MONEY, FINE; BUT IT'S VERY
5 UNLIKELY.
6 I'M SURE YOU READ THE PAPERS OR YOU'VE
7 BEEN BACK TO WASHINGTON, AND YOU KNOW THE FEDERAL GOVERN-
B MENT IS TRIMMING BUDGETS. THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY
9 ALLOCATION FOR 10 YEARS; SO I THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE
10 TONIGHT,'YOU SHOULD JUST ASK YOUR STAFF WHAT DO YOU FELLOWS
11 THINK? IS THE PROBLEM SOLVABLE OR NOT? NOW, IT'S NOT
12 GOOD JUST TO SAY THEY ARE WORKING ON IT AS PART OF THE
13 E.I.R. AND FIND OUT LATER HOW THEY MITIGATE IT, BECAUSE
14 YOU KNOW THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT A MAKE-BELIEVE
15 PROBLEM LIKE SUPPOSE A METEOR HITS THERE. IT'S A REAL
16 PROBLEM. YOU KNOW WHEN IT RAINS, IT FLOODS. SO I MENTION
17 THAT AS A VERY SERIOUS CONCERN THAT, IF YOU PUT THE ZONING
18 THERE -- AND IT'S NOT A BAD SITE. I COULD SEE A LOT OF
19 REASONS WHY IT'S A GOOD SITE -- BUT WILL YOU BE ABLE TO
20 GET GOING ON IT?
21 NOW, IN THE SAME WAY, THE LYON PEOPLE
22 SAY THEY ARE GOING TO IMPROVE THE EXISTING FREEWAY OFFRAMP
23 TO HELP TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, WHICH IS VERY COMMENDABLE. BUT
24 WE'VE DEALT WITH THE GOVERNMENT, AND YOU PEOPLE HAVE DEALT
25 WITH THE GOVERNMENT, AND THEY HAVE DEALT WITH THE GOVERN-
26 MENT; AND I'M TOLD TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT APPROVED BY
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1 CAL TRANS AND BY THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, IT TAKES
2 MANY YEARS. YOU DON'T JUST WALK IN AND SAY, "HERE,
3 FELLOWS, IS A PLAN. WILL YOU INITIAL IT AND WE'LL GO?"
4 THEY DIDN'T DESIGN THE INTERSTATE SYSTEM FOR THE BENEFIT
5 OF THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS, SO, THIS IS ONE MORE RISK;
6 AND IF YOU LOSE THE CENTER BECAUSE OF THOSE DELAYS, AGAIN,
? A LOT OF YOUR PLANS GO DOWN THE DRAIN.
8 NOW, A MAJOR ARGUMENT THAT THE HAHN PEOPLE
9 HAVE MADE ABOUT THEIR LOCATION IS THE VISIBILITY. THEY
10 SAY THE STRONGEST REGIONAL CENTERS ARE LOCATED ON ~:qEEWAYS
11 YOU JUST ABOUT HAVE TO BE ON A FREEWAY TO BE ECONOMICALLY
12 SOUND. MR. HAHN SHOWED A BUNCH OF PICTURES OF GOOD SHOPPI]
13 CENTER DEVELOPMENTS THAT HE'S DONE, REGIONALS, AND I'M
14 TOLD THAT HALF OF THE ONES HE'S SHOWED ARE NOT ON FREEWAYS
15 LIKE IN SANTA ANITA THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL FASHION PLAZA, AND
16 IT'S ABOUT A MILE FROM THE 210 FREEWAY AND YOU CAN'T SEE
17 IT AT ALL, NOT A SPECK.
18 I THINK I'M SELLING MY PROJECT; MR. HAHN
19 IS SELLING HIS PROJECT. WHEN OUR SALESPEOPLE SELL OUR
20 HOUSES, THEY STRESS WHAT IS GOOD AND DON'T BRING UP THE
21 BAD POINTS, AND WE TELL THEM DON'T EXAGERATE TO MUCH.
22 BUT IT MAY BE HAHNtS GROUP IS EXAGERATING A LITTLE BIT.
23 IF THEY ARE NOT ON A FREEWAY, THEY BUILD A SHOPPING
24 CENTER; IF THEY ARE ON A FREEWAY, THEY SAY, HEY, IT'S
25 GOT TO BE HERE. FASHION ISLAND IN NEWPORT IS A BEAUTIFUL
26 DEVELOPMENT. I UNDERSTAND SOHEBODY IS GOING TO GO LOOK
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IN ORANGE COUNTY, AND I HOPE YOU LOOK AT THAT SHOPPING
2 CENTER AND ASK WHERE'S THE FREEWAY FROM THERE, HOW MANY
MILES? FIVE, SIX? I BRING THESE THINGS UP BECAUSE
YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF SWEEPING STATEMENTS ABOUT THE HAHN
5 CENTER. CHECK THEM; EXAMINE THEM; ASK FOR SUBSTANTIATION.
MR. HAHN, WHEN HE MADE HIS PRESENTATION,
REPEATEDLY SAID HIS CENTER IS GOING TO DRAW SHOPPERS FROM
8 AREAS WEST OF MONTCLAIR. THAT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT I TRIED
TO PICTURE WHO IS GOING TO COME FROM WEST OF MONTCLAIR;
10 BECAUSE HIS POINT IS THAT THIS CENTER SHOULD BE A HIGH-
11 FASHION CENTER, GET REAL GOOD STORES THAT CATER TO PEOPLE
12 MAKING ABOVE $25,000. AND THERE AREN'T MANY PEOPLE MAKING
13 THAT MUCH IN MONTCLAIR OR NORTH POMONA OR SOUTH POMONA
14 OR SOUTH CLAREMONT. THOSE ARE LOW-INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS.
15 NOW, I DON'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE BAD PEOPLE, BUT IF THE
16 REASON TO HAVE THE CENTER IS YOU ARE GOING TO DRAW THOSE
17 PEOPLE TO A HIGH-FASHION CENTER, IT JUST AIN'T SO. NOW,
18 FURTHER WEST OF MONTCLAIR WOULD BE COVINA. THESE PEOPLE
19 WILL GO TO EITHER BREA MALL OR BULLOCK'S AND SO ON IN
20 WEST COVINA.
21 WE ALL AGREE THAT TRAFFIC IS IMPORTANT,
22 SAVING ENERGY IS IMPORTANT. WE THINK OUR LOCATION IS
28 WHERE MORE OF TIqE SHOPPERS -- IT'S GOING TO BE MORE CON-
24
VENIENT FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. MR. HAHN REFERS TO A MUCH
25
BIGGER TRADE AREA. THE HOMART PEOPLE HAD A MAP THAT
SHOWED A TRADE AREA OF A CERTAIN SIZE, SOME 300,000
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1 PEOPLE. MR. HAHN SAYS HE'S GOING TO DRAW FROM AN AREA
2 OF ABOUT A MILLION PEOPLE. BUT I THINK THE HIGH-BRACKET
3 PEOPLE THAT MOSTLY WILL SHOP EITHER AT OUR CENTER OR
4 VICTORIA, IF THAT'S WHERE IT IS, ARE GOING TO COME FROM
§ AREAS LIKE ALTA LOMA AND UPLAND AND CLAREMONT AND MAYBE
6 EVEN AS FAR AS LA VERNE. THERE ARE A LOT OF FAMILIES
? THAT MAKE OVER $25,000 THERE, AND HOW ARE THEY GOING TO
B GET TO THE SHOPPING CENTER? IF IT'S AT OUR SITE, THEY
9 ARE GOING TO COME DOWN EITHER 19TH OR BASELINE OR
10 FOOTHILL BOULEVARD. WE LIVE IN UPLAND, 21ST STREET, AND
11 WE STARTED SHOPPING IN RANCHO CUCAMONGA. WE WANT TO HELP
12 OUR OWN LITTLE CENTER OH 19TH STREET. BUT WE COME DOWN
13 THESE EAST-WEST STREETS TO GET TO IT. THAT'S WHERE YOUR
14 PEOPLE FROM ALTA LOMA A~D UPLAND AND CLAREMONT AND SO ON
15
ARE GOING TO COME. NOW, IF THE CENTER IS OVER ON THE
16 FREEWAY, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TRAVEL A COUPLE MILES
17 FARTHER ON SURFACE STREETS. YOU ARE GOING TO FURTHER
18 CLOG BASELINB AND FOOTHILL. NOW, IT WILL WORK EITHER
19
WAY. IF THE CENTER IS O[~ OUR SITE, THERE WILL BE SOME
20
TRAFFIC ON THE SURFACE STREETS COMING FROM FONTANA,
21
RIALTO; BUT THESE HIGH-BRACKET BUYERS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR
22
HIGH-FASHION .STORES, THEY ARE GOING TO COME FROM THE WEST
23
AND NORTH, NOT FROM FONTANA.
24 NOW, SOME OF WHAT I'M SAYING, I THINK, IS
25 BORNE OUT BY A COUPLE OF TRAFFIC STUDIES. AND, AGAIN,
26 J SHOULD CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS, THAT YOU'VE HEARD
37
1 FROM ME AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THESE MATTERS. YOU HEARD
2 FROM MR. HAHN, BUT WE HAVE BROUGHT SOME EXPERTS ALONG,
3 AND THERE WAS TESTIMONY LIKE MONDAY NIGHT FROM INDEPENDENT
4 CONSULTANTS. MOST OF THE HAHN GROUP'S TESTIMONY IS FROM
5 MR. HAHN OR HIS OWN PEOPLE, AND I THINK YOU KNOW I'M
6 BIASED. I THINK YOU KNOW THEY ARE BIASED, AND WORD FROM
7 THE INDEPENDANT CONSULTANT, I THINK, SHOULD CARRY A LITTLE
8 MORE WEIGHT. BUT THERE WERE TWO TRAFFIC STUDIES. I THINK
g ONE WAS CALLED THE PRINGLE STUDY. THAT WAS DONE IN CONNEC-
10 TION WITH THE VICTORIA DEVELOPMENT AND DKS IS THE CONSUL-
11 TANT THE CITY USED. PRINGLE ESTIMATED 265,000 DAILY
12 VEHICLE TRIPS FOR THE VICTORIA PLANNED COMMUNITY; AND
13 DKS ESTIMATED 127,000 DAILY TRIPS FOR TERRA VISTA. THERE'~
14 A DIFFERENCE OF 140,000. THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF TRAFFIC
15 THERE.
16 WE THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF
47 EMPLOYMENT ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR CORNER IN THE DAON
18 PROJECT. WE'RE A LITTLE UNHAPPY IN THAT THE CITY SAYS
19 THERE WiLL BE FOUR MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND
20 WAREHOUSE AND INDUSTRIAL SPACE THERE, BUT THAT DOESN'T
21 MAKE ANY TRAFFIC PROBLEM; BUT IF WE ADD A CENTER AT OUR
22 CENTER, OH, MY GOD, THERE'S A BIG TRAFFIC PROBLEM. I
23 COULD ARGUE WHY NOT FIRST ALLOW OURS AND CUT DAON DOWN.
24 I'M NOT DOING THAT, BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF
25 PEOPLE WORKING AT THE DAON CENTER, AND WE THINK, TO THE
26 EXTENT THAT THE SHOPPING CENTER IS AT OUR SITE AND EATING
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1 PLACES IN IT AND SO ON, A NUMBER OF THOSE EMPLOYEES WILL
2 BE ABLE TO JUST WALK ACROSS FOOTHILL AND SHOP AND EAT AND
3 SO ON. IF THE FACILITIES ARE DOWN AT THE DEVORE FREEWAY,
4 THEY ARE GOING TO GET IN THEIR CAR AND DRIVE DOWN. SO,
5 IT'S QUITE ARGUABLE THAT YOU CUT TRAFFIC ON FOOTHILL
6 BY PUTTING THE REGIONAL ON OUR SITE.
? I THINK IN THE HAHN REPORT OR THE HAHN
8 CONSULTANT SAID THAT 60 PERCENT OF THEIR TRAFFIC WOULD
9 BE BY SURFACE STREETS AND ONLY 40 BY THE FREEWAY. BEING
10 ON THE FREEWAY DOESN'T SOLVE ALL THESE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS.
11 ANOTHER THING THAT CONCERNS US, OUR
12 SHOPPING CENTER PROPOSAL WAS RUN THROUGH YOUR TRAFFIC
13 MODEL, RUN THROUGH THE COMPUTER, WHATEVER IT MEANS. BUT
14 I THINK TILL TODAY, UNLESS THE STAFF CORRECTS ME, YOU
15 STILL HAVEN'T RUN THE HAHN CENTER THROUGH THE TRAFFIC
16 MODEL. SO HOW DO YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC
17 PROBLEMS ARE ON THE HAHN CENTER WITHOUT HAVING THAT
18 INFORMATION, TOO? PERHAPS, IF THE MAYOR PERMITS, I CAN
19 ASK THE STAFF HAS THE HAHN SITE GONE THROUGH THAT TRAFFIC
20 COMPUTER STUDY?
21 MR. HUBBS: THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE HAD CON-
22 TRACTED FOR THE GENERAL PLAN "A" WAS RUN AND GENERAL PLAt4
23 "C" WAS RUN, SO A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER AT THE HAHN
24 SITE WAS RUN, BUT IT WAS NOT RUN AS A PART OF THE VICTORIA
25 PLAN. SO THE SURROUNDING LAND USES DO NOT REFLECT THE
26 VICTORIA PLAN, WHEREAS THE TERRA VISTA PROJECT THAT WAS
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1 PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED HAS BEEN RUN THROUGH THE COMPUTER
2 MODEL.
3 MR. LEWIS: NOW, WE ARE AS ANXIOUS TO GET GOING
4 AND HAVE YOU ADOPT OUR PLAN AND LET US START BUILDING
5 SOME HOUSES AND APARTMENTS AND WHATEVER KIND OF 'STORES
B WE WILL BUILD, AND WE HIATE TO DELAY THIS, BUT WE WONDER
7 IF YOU SHOULD DECIDE TONIGHT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE FULL
B TRAFFIC INFORMATION, BECAUSE TRAFFIC OBVIOUSLY IS A BIG
9 PROBLEM.
10 ANOTHER POINT, IN THE WORDS OF SOME
11 GENTLEMAN THAT DIDN'T PLAN TO SPEAK AT ONE OF THE HEARINGS
12 HE GOT UP AND SAID WHO ARE WE PLANNING THE CITY FOR, OUR
13 OWN PEOPLE OR OUTSIDERS; ARE WE GOING TO PUT THE REGIONAL
14 WHERE OUR PEOPLE WANT IT OR WHERE IT'S HANDY FOR PEOPLE
15 IN VICTORVILLE OR BEAUMONT OR COVINA OR WHERE? I THINK
16 THERE'S SOMETHING TO SAY FOR HIS VIEWPOINT. NOW, YOU
17 WANT ALL THE SALES TAX REVENUE YOU CAN GET. WITH THE
18 CURRENT TAX LAWS, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED ALL THE SALES
19 TAX REVENUE YOU CAN GET, BUT I THINK MORE PEOPLE IN
20 RANCHO CUCAMONGA PREFER OUR SITE THAN THE OTHER. NOW,
21 SOME OF YOU KNOW THAT YESTERDAY, ON THE SPUR OF THE
22 MOMENT, WE CALLED SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND TAKE A PETI-
23
TION OUT AND JUST STAND IN FRONT OF ANY SHOPPING CENTEI:~
24
AND ASK THE PEOPLE, IF TttE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE A REGIONA
25
AT EITHER HAVEN AND FOOTHILL OR DEVORE AND FOOTHILL --
26 THAT'S ALL WE TRIED TO ASK, IF IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OR
4O
1 THE OTHER -- WHICH WOULD YOU PREFER? AND WE TALKED TO
2 OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE, AND MORE THAN 70 PERCENT OF THE
3 PEOPLE SIGNED THE THING. I MIGHT HAVE MY NUMBERS WRONG,
4 BUT 833 OF THE ONES THAT WERE ASKED SAID THEY PREFER THE
5 CENTER AT OUR LOCATION RATHER THAN AT THE HAHN LOCATION.
6 NOW, I KNOW A POLL THAT WE TAKE IS SUSPECT, BUT dACK HAS
? THE WORDING OF THE PETITION IF YOU WANT TO HEAR IT. IT
8 WAS VERY SIMPLY STATED, AND WE TOLD OUR PEOPLE DON'T
9 GIVE ANY SALES TALKS. WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO GET OVER-
10 ZEALOUS AND SWAY PEOPLE. WE SAID dUST ASK THEM WH~AE
11 WOULD YOU PREFER IT. AND THERE WAS SUCH A HIGH PROPORTION
12 THAT SAID THEY PREFER OUR SITE, LESS THAN 10 PERCENT THAT
13 PREFERRED THE HAHN SITE, THAT I THINK THAT IT DEMONSTRATES
14 THAT PEOPLE OF THE CITY OVERWHELMINGLY PREFER OUR PLAN
15 OF THE REGIONAL. AND IF THE COUNCIL REPRESENTS THESE
16 PEOPLE, AND I'M SURE YOU DO, YOU SHOULD GIVE SERIOUS
17 WEIGHT TO WHAT THEY'VE EXPRESSED.
18 FINAL POINT, AND WE BROUGHT THIS UP LAST
19 NIGHT AND THERE WAS CONCERN WE WERE TRYING TO BRIBE THE
20 CITY. THE CITY ASSISTANT ATTORNEY RAISED SOME LEGAL DOUBT
21 I ASKED HIM WHAT LAW OR WHAT CASE SAYS WE CAN'T DO THIS,
22 AND HE SAYS, WELL, THERE'S NONE THAT SAYS YOU CAN. I
23 SUBMIT WE CAN, THEN; BUT WHAT WE OFFER TO DO -- WE WON-
24 DERED -- IT'S COMMON TO MAKE INDUCEMENTS TO GET THE
25 REGIONAL CENTER GOING. SOME DEVELOPERS, AND THIS IS VERY
26 PROPER AND I DON'T MEAN IT'S NOT PROPER, BUT SOME DEVELOPE
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1 SAY TO THE MAJOR DEPARTMENT STORES, HEY, WE'LL GIVE YOU
2 AN INTEREST; WE'LL GIVE YOU 10, 20 PERCENT IN THE CENTER
IF YOU AGREE TO LOCATE ON OUR CORNER INSTEAD OF SOMEBODY
4 ELSE'S. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHAT MR. HAHN DID.
5 HE SAID TO THE MAY COMPANY AND BROADWAY, I'LL MAKE YOU
6 PARTNERS. NOW, AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING IS WRONG
7 WITH THAT. I KNOW MANY DEVELOPERS DO THAT ALL OVER, BUT
8 WE GOT TO WONDERING SHOULD WE DO THAT OR WOULD IT BE
9 BETTER TO DONATE THAT TO THE CITY, FRANKLY AS AN INDUCE-
10 MENT? WE CLEARED IT WITH HOMART BECAUSE IT'S HALF THEIR
11 MONEY, BUT WE'RE PREPARED TO DONATE TO THE CITY LAND FOR
12 A CIVIC CENTER THAT WE WOULD SAY WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO
18 A MILLION DOLLARS IF THE COMBINED REGIONAL CENTER IS BUILT
14 ON OUR SITE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY ATTORNEY AGREES OR
15 NOT, BUT WE FEEL IT'S PROPER, AND THAT IS A FREE GIFT
16 THAT WOULD NOT COME OUT OF THE TAXPAYERS' POCKETS.
17 MR. DOUGHERTY: I DISAGREE, MR. LEWIS. I THINK
18 MY PARTNER ADEQUATELY EXPRESSED OUR OPINION LAST NIGHT,
19 AND I AGREE WITH HIS OPINION. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT'S
20 PROPER TO CONSIDER A DONATION THAT THE CITY CANNOT COMPEL
21
AS A MEANS OF A BASIS FOR CONSIDERING WHETHER ONE SITE
22
OR ANOTHER SHOULD BE APPROVED. I SEE THAT AS A VERY BAD
28 PRECIDENT. THAT REALLY WOULD GET INTO PLANNING FOR THE
24
HIGHEST BIDDER AS OPPOSED TO PLANNING FOR THE BEST INTERES'
25
OF THE CITY, AND I WOULD NOT ADVISE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDEi
26
IT.
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I GET INTO AN EXTENDED DEBATE
I
MR.
LEWIS:
WON'T
2 WITH YOU, COUNSEL, BUT I THINK THE CITY HAS HAD THIS
3 PRACTICE AND ENCOURAGED IT WITH ITS POINT SYSTEM. WHEN
4 THE STAFF MADE A REPORT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE
$ STAFF DIDN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT THEY SAID HERE
B ARE FACTORS TO CONSIDER. AND THEY SAID LOOK AT THE
? DEVELOPER, WHAT CAN HE PRODUCE FOR THE COMMUNITY? WE
8 THINK WE CAN PRODUCE A FINE REGIONAL CENTER. WE AGREE
9 MR. HAHN COULD PRODUCE A FINE REGIONAL CENTER. BUT,
10 THEN, THERE'S A SENTENCE: WHAT HAS THE DEVELOPER OFFERED
11 WITHOUT BEING ASKED TO PROVIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY? AND
12 YOUR POINT SYSTEM, PART OF THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN,
13 GIVES EXTRA POINTS FOR A DEVELOPER WHO DONATES THINGS TO
14 THE CITY. IF YOU DO THINGS BEYOND WHAT'S REQUIRED, LIKE
15 IF YOU GIVE MORE PARK THAN THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES OR MORE
16
STORM DRAIN FACILITIES, IF YOU DO ANYTHING BEYOND WHAT'S
17 REQUIRED, THE CITY SAYS, FINE, YOU'LL GET POINTS, AND YOU
18
MOVE TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE ON BUILDING. NOW, IF THAT'S
19
YOUR POLICY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SET OUT, WHAT'S WRONG
2O
WITH SOMEBODY DONATING IF IT'S NOT YOUR IDEA?
21
MR. MAYOR: IF I MAY INTERJECT. I THINK IT
22
HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER THAT IN MAKING
23
A GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DECISION FOR LOTS OF REASONS.
24
ONE IS THERE IS NO CONTROL OVER, FIRST, WHO OWNS THE
25
PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT ALSO OVER FUTURE PRO-
26
JECTED USE FOR IT. WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING, EVEN IF
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1 WE ARE RECEPTIVE TO THAT OFFER, AND I DON'T THINK WE ARE,
2 YOU MAY NOT OWN THE LAND NEXT MONTH.
3 MR. LEWIS: IN THAT EVENT, I'LL DEFER TO YOUR
4 WISHES AND WITHDRAW THE OFFER. I HOPED IT WOULD BE
5 ATTRACTIVE, AND IF NOT --
6 MR. MAYOR: WE ALSO WANT TO KEEP OUR OPTIONS
7 OPEN.
8 MR. LEWIS: OKAY. BUT IT SORT OF HAS TO BE ONE
9 WAY OR THE OTHER. WE ARE WILLING TO DO IT. IF IT OFFENDS
10 SOMEBODY, WE APOLOGIZE AND WE WON'T DO IT. I, MYSELF,
11 KNOW OF NO STATUTE OR CASE THAT PROHIBITS IT. SO I'LL
12 STOP AS FAR AS THAT OFFER. I'LL WITHDRAW IT AND LEAVE
13 IT FOR THE CITY TO ASK SOMETIME.
14 WITH ME IS MR. DICK HULINE OF THE HOMART
15 COMPANY. HE'S BETTER QUALIFIED THAN I TO DISCUSS ANY
16 QUESTIONS ON THE ACTUAL CENTER ITSELF. THERE'S A RENDERI
17 THERE, IF YOU WISH TO SEE IT, SHOWING HOW WE LAY IT OUT
18 AND WITH EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING, GREENBELT AND SO ON.
19
BUT HElD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
20 THANK YOU.
21 MR. MAYOR: THANK YOU, MR. LEWIS.
22
MR,. TIBBETTS: GOOD EVENING, MAYOR FROST,
23 MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ALLEN TIBBETTS. I'M
24
AN ATTORNEY [N LONG BEACH APPEARING IN BEHALF OF HOMART.
25 I KNOW WE'VE USED ESSENTIALLY ALL OUR TIME, AND I'LL BE
26
VERY BRIEF.
44
1 AS YOU KNOW, HOMART HAS COME FORWARD IN
2 RESPONSE TO A VERY ATTRACTIVE OPPORTUNITY INVITATION IH
3 YOUR INTERIM PLAN TO DEVELOP A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER,
4 AND WE UNDERSCORE THE WORD REGIONAL. WE HAVE IN THE COURSE
5 OF THIS, IN GOOD FAITH, I THINK, DEVELOPED STATISTICS AND
6 DATA, EVIDENCE. WE'VE PREPARED A RENDERING AND CONCEPTUAL
7 PLANS, AND THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN BEFORE YOU. WHAT I WOULD
8 LIKE TO DO, BRIEFLY, IS ASK YOU TO EXAMINE THE FO~;~ OF THE
9 RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED LAST NIGHT. THEN ItLL EXPRESS
10 OUR CONCERN WITH IT. AND BASICALLY,. AS I TOOK IT DOWN
11 LAST NIGHT, THE MOTION WAS TO RECOMMEND TO YOU THAT YOU
12 RECOMMEND TO THE GENERAL PLAN CONSULTANT THAT THE REGIONAL
13 CENTER BE PLACED AT THE FOOTHILL AND DEVORE FREEWAY AND
14 THE DESIGNATION OF CIVIC CENTER AND MAJOR COMMUNITY
15 SHOPPING CENTER BE PLACED ON FOOTHILL AND HAVEN, MAJOR
16 COMMUNITY SHOPPING CENTER.
17 I HAVE LOOKED AT YOUR GENERAL PLAN, AND
18 THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT SAYS THAT. BUT, APPARENTLY,
19 IT'S SOMETHING THAT FALLS IN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN REGIONAL
20 SHOPPING CENTER AND COMMUNITY SHOPPING CENTER. THAT
21 DIRECT[ON, WE UNDERSTAND, IS GOING TO THE CONSULTANT;
22 AND OUR CONCERN IS THAT, WHILE PEOPLE ARE SAYING OUR
23 OPTIONS ARE ALL STILL OPEN, WE MAY PROCEED WITH THE
24 UNDERSTANDING THAT WE STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT
25 OUR BEST CASE AND PRESENT EVIDENCE, THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT
26 THE RESOLUTION SAYS. OUR FEELING IS THAT THE CONSULTANT
45
1 TAKING THAT VERBATIM IS GOING TO LOOK AT IT AND UNDERSTAND
2 THAT HE~S TO CONSIDER OUR SITE AS A MAJOR COMMUNITY
3 SHOPPING CENTER, LESS THAN A REGIONAL CENTER, AND SOMETHINI
4 WHICH, FRANKLY, HOMART HADN'T ANTICIPATED PARTICIPATING IN
§ WHEN THEY CAME HERE.
6 OUR REQUEST TO YOU TONIGHT IS FOR THAT
7 REASON AND ALSO FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE
8 CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, SINCE AN E.I.R. WILL
9 HAVE TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES WHEN THE GENERAL PLAN COMES
l0 TO YOU; THAT WHATEVER ACTION YOU TAKE TONIGHT NOT LIMIT
ll THE CONSULTANT. GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROCEED AS
12 WE ARE TOLD WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY SO WE CAN, IN ESSENCE
13 STAY IN THE BALL PARK AND NOT WALK OUT OF HERE TONIGHT
t4 KNOWING THAT YOUR DIRECTIVE TO YOUR GENERAL PLAN CONSUL-
15 TANT IS TO CHANGE THAT LABEL, NARROW DOWN THE OPPORTUNITY,
16 IN ESSENCE FORECL. O.~E US FROM THE REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER
17 OPPORTUNITY THERE ONCE THE EVIDENCE FOR BOTH PROJECTS IS
lB BEFORE YOU.
19 MR. MAYOR: THANK YOU, SIR.
20 LET'S TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES' BREAK HERE,
21 THEN WE'LL HEAR GENERAL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AT LARGE.
22 (RECESS TAKEN.)
23 MR. MAYOR: I WILL NOW CALL THE MEETING BACK
24 TO ORDER, PLEASE.
25 MR. LE~'~'IS: MAYOR FROST, TO CLARIFY ONE THING,
26
IF I MAY, I THINK IS STILL MISUNDERSTOOD.
46
1 MR. MAYOR: SURE.
2 MR. LEWIS: I JUST WANTED TO TELL WHAT THE
3 INTENT IS. WE DISCUSSED IT WITH HOMART. AS PARTNERS WE
4 ARE PLANNING HOW TO MAKE THE BEST SHOWING, WHAT CAN WE
5 DO, WHAT CAN WE OFFER, AND SO ON, AND THIS POINT CAME UP.
6 THEIR CONCERN WAS THAT THEY WANT TO SHOW A CONCERN FOR
7 THE COMMUNITY TO HELP IN THEIR PROBLEMS. MR. HAHN MEN-
8 TIONED IN HIS CENTERS, HE OFTEN WILL DEVOTE SOME SPACE,
9 SOME STORE SPACE OR SOMETHING IN THE CENTER FOR THE
10 COMMUNITY TO UTILIZE, LIKE FOR A CLASSROOM. THAT'S A
11 VERY GOOD PURPOSE. AND OUR THOUGHT WAS JUST TO TRY TO
12 DO SOMETHING BETTER, AND WE HAD CALLED TO OUR ATTENTION
13 THE BREA MALL WHERE THERE'S A LARGE CIVIC CENTER, PLENTY
14 OF ROOM FOR ALL SORTS OF ACTIVITIES RIGHT IN THE CENTER.
15 AND THE THOUGHT OF THE GIFT WAS IT WOULD HELP TO BUILD
16 A BIGGER CITY HALL RIGHT NEXT TO THE CENTER AND PROVIDE
17 THE FACILITIES THERE RATHER THAN, SAY, HAVING A PLACE
18 RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF T~E SHOPPING CENTER. IT WAS NOT
19 JUST AN ATTEMPT TO BUY A VOTE.
20 THANK YOU.
21 MR. MAYOR: THANK YOU, SIR.
22 IF THERE IS ANYTHING FROM THE PUBLIC AT
23 LARGE, WHOEVER YOU ARE, THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY
24 SPECIFIC COMMENTS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR FROM YOU.
25 (NO RESPONSE.)
26 MR. MAYOR: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
47
1 MR. FRYE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD. I
2 DON'T WANT TO TURN THIS INTO A DEBATE, BUT WE MIGHT AS
3 WELL USE THIS FORMAT. WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE FIVE OR
4 10 MINUTES, THEN I'LL GIVE MR. LEWIS FIVE OR 10, THEN
5 WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
B MR. LEWIS: I GUARANTEE HE'S IN BETTER SHAPE
? THA~J I AM. HE'LL OUTLAST ME.
8 MR. FRYE: THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS
9 THE COUNCIL ON IS WE ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS
10 THAT RALPH BROUGHT UP. WE HAVE STUDIED THEM IN DETAIL.
11 THEY ARE NOT A PROBLEM. HOWEVER, WE ARE NOT OF THE
12 OPINION THAT THOSE ARE GENERAL PLAN LEVEL QUESTIONS. IN
13 OTitER WORDS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE THE TIME TO EXPLAIN IN
14 DETAIL OUR RESPONSES, IF YOU WISH; BUT WE DON'T FEEL THAT
15 THEY NECESSARILY NEED TO BE A PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN
16 LEVEL OF DISCUSSION. SO I'LL NOT ADDRESS THOSE UNLESS
17 YOU SPECIFICALLY WANT US TO.
18 THANK YOU.
19 MR. MAYOR: I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE ARE ALL OF
20 THE AGREEMENT THAT, AT THE GENERAL PLAN LEVEL, WE'RE
21 TALKING ABOUT GENERAL LAND USES, AND IF AT SOME FUTURE
22
TIME A SPECIFIC SITE DEVELOPER HAD A PROBLEM THROUGH AN
23
E.I.R. PROCESS OR ANY OTHER AREAS~ THOSE PROBLEMS SHOULD
24
BE MITIGATED AND THE USE WOULDN'T APPLY. AND THAT'S THE
25
CASE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY
26
PROBLEMS AT THIS TIME THAT CAN'T BE HANDLED AT SOME
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1 FUTURE DATE IF THE RESOURCES ARE THERE. SO I WOULD
CONCUR
2 IrM NOT SURE THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE AT THIS STAGE.
3 THAT BEING THE CASE, DO YOU WISH TO
4 RESPOND TO ANY PARTICULAR OTHER ITEMS HE MIGHT HAVE BROUGH
5 UP?
6 MR. LEWIS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO
7 THAT?
8 MR. LEWIS: NO. WE HAVE OUR HOMART MANAGER
9 REP. HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF HIM.
10 MR. MAYOR: GREAT. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT Q.~STIONS:
11 MIGHT ARISE WHEN WE GET TO THAT STAGE.
12 IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO
13 ADD ANY COMMENTS?
14 YES, MA'AM. IF YOU WOULD COME UP AND LET
15 US KNOW WHO YOU ARE FOR THE SAKE OF THE GIRL HERE.
16 MRS. HANSON: I'M LOUJEAN (PHONETIC SPELLING)
17 HANSON, 5313 PERIDOT AVENUE IN ALTA LOMA, AND I'M UP IN
18 THE NORTHWEST CORNER; SO I'M GOING TO BE FURTHEST AWAY
19 THAN ALMOST ANYONE IN RANCHO CUCAMONGA. AND I'VE BEEN
20 OUT HERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR, AND MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE
21 OF TIlE TYPE THAT ARE MORE MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE EVEN THOUGH
22 OUR HOMES AR~ NICE.
23 I'VE BEEN LIVING OUT HERE FOR ABOUT A
24 YEAR~ WORKING AT TWO DIFFERENT PLACES. MOST OF THE PEOPLE
25 I PICK UP IN THIS AREA ARE AVERAGE, DOWN-TO-EARTH MIDDLE
26 PEOPLE WHO SHOP AT SEARS AND LOCAL PLACES, LOCAL STORES.
~9
FEEL THAT, IF THEY IN WITH HIGH-
1
I
REALLY
DON'T
CAME
A
2 LINE BUSINESS SHOPPING CENTER LIKE TItEY ARE TALKING ABOUT,
3 I WOULDN'T SHOP THERE. MY BOSS TOLD ME TODAY THAT HIS
4 WIFE WOULDN'T SHOP THERE. THEY GO THERE AND THEY LOOK
5 AND FEEL, BUT THEY DON'T BUY. THEY LIKE TO BUY AT SEARS,
6 AND I KNOW THE CLOSEST SEARS IS RIVERSIDE OR POMONA. SO
? MY PERSONAL FEELING IS I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A SEARS
8 CLOSE BY OR STANDARD BRAND PAINT. I GET TIRED OF DRIVING
9 ALL T.~E WAY OVER TO POMONA TO THOSE PLACES.
10 MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS, BOTH THE HUSBAND
11 AND WIFF WORK TO MAKE HOUSE PAYMENTS AND KEEP THINGS
12 GOING. AND WITH THE COST OF GAS AND OIL, WE REALLY DON'T
13 FEEL THAT WE WANT THE PRESTIGE OF A FANCY NEIGHBORHOOD.
14 IF I REALLY HAD THE MONEY AND WANTED THE PRESTIGE OF A
15 BIG FANCY THING THAT'S GOIHG TO DRAW ALL THE WEALTHY
16 PEOPLE, I'D BE LIVING IN BEVERLY HILLS; I WOULDN'T BE
17 OUT HERE. AND, PERSONALLY, PRESTIGE DOESN'T TURN ME ON.
lB I REALLY FEEL THAT WHAT ARE WE REALLY GOING TO BE USING?
19 ANDTHAT SHOPPING CENTER THERE IS GOING TO BE RIGHT NEAR
20 FONTANA AND ONTARIO, AND I WORKED JUST SOUTH OF THERE OFF
21
ETIWANDA AVENUE AND IN THE INDUSTRIAL CENTER FOR ABOUT
22
NINE MONTHS LAST YEAR. THE PEOPLE I WORKED WITH LIVE
23
SOUTH OF THERE IN JURUPA HILLS AND THIS TYPE OF THING,
24
AND THEY ARE NOT THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WHO BUY IN THE HIGH-
25
LINE SHOPPING AREAS.
26 ANOTHER THING ABOUT THE FOOTHILL LOCATION
5O
1 THAT BOTHERS ME IS THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE
2 THAT ARE GOING ON THE FREEWAY THAT ARE GOING TO STOP AND
3 SEE AND BUY. NELL, MY EXPERIENCE ON THAT FREEWAY AND
4 WHEN I PASS THERE NAS THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT DRIVE THAT
5 FREEWAY ARE LONG-DISTANCE PEOPLE DRIVING TO VEGAS. IT'S
6 NOT A COMMUTER FREEWAY LIKE ORANGE COUNTY. AND LIKE THE
7 10 WHERE PEOPLE DRIVE FROH UPLAND INTO L.A. PAST MONTCLA[
8 PLAZA AND THEY PASS A LOT OF THE OTHER PLAZAS. THE [-15
9 GOES dUST UP THROUGH THE HILLS. NOBODY LIVES UP T ~ERE.
10 NOBODY IS GOING TO AND FROM WORK ON THE 1-15, AND THAT
11 SHOPPING CENTER ON THE FREEWAY IS ANOTHER TWO H[LES FOR
12 ME TO DRIVE. AND IF UPLAND CAME UP WITH A NEAT ONE NORTH
13 OF 19TH THERE OVER IN UPLAND dUST OUTSIDE OF RANCHO
14 CUCAMONGA, I WOULD GO THERE.
15 AND, SO, [ REALLY FEEL THAT ! WOULD
16 RATHER HAVE ONE CLOSER. ['D RATHER HAVE ONE THAT'S EASY
17 FOR MY TEENAGERS TO GET TO. I REALLY PREFER THE ONE
18 CLOSER, NOT THE ONE FURTHER.
19 THANK YOU.
20 MR. MAYOR: THA~K YOU, MRS. HANSON.
21 MR. BERINI: IF I MAY RESPOND TO MRS. HANSON.
22 MR, MAYOR: WHY DON'T WE WAIT AND SEE IF THERE'
23 ANY OTHER GENERAL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC FIRST, THEN
24 ANY RESPONSES FROM THE PROPONENTS, WE CAN HANDLE.
25 MRS. HANSON, WAS THAT AN ~'E" OR "0"?
26 MRS. HANSON: "O".
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1 MR. MAYOR: OKAY. THAT'S TOO BAD. IT'S THE
2 WRONG SIDE OF THE CHANNEL FOR MY ANCESTORS.
3 MRS. HANSON: OH, WELL, MY MAIDEN NAME WAS
4 HANSEN WITH AN "E".
5 MR. MAYOR: DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD
6 LIK~ TO RESPOND?
7 OKAY, NOW, MR. BERINI, DO YOU HAVE
8 SOMETHING?
9 (NO RESPONSE.)
10 MR. MAYOR: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE
11 PUBLIC OR EITHER PROPONENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY
12 ADDITIONAL COMMENTS RIGHT NOW?
13 (NO RESPONSE.)
14 MR. MAYOR: ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE OF THE NATURE
15 OF THIS, IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC RESPONSES TO THE COUNCI
16 DISCUSSIONS, WE'LL HANDLE THOSE A LITTLE LATER.
17 FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE WE GO TO THE COUNCIL,
18 PERHAPS, MR. LAM, YOU MIGHT EXPLAIN OR CLARIFY THE PLANNINI
19 COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION.
20 MR. LAM: MR. MAYOR, THE PLANNING DISCUSSION
21 DISCUSSED THE SAME ISSUES THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING THIS
22 EVENING, AND .THEIR THOUGHT IS TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY
23 COUNCIL THAT THEY DIRECT T~E CONSULTANT TO DEVELOP A
24 DRAFT GENERAL PLAN StqOWING THE REGIONAL AT THE FOOTHILL
25 AND 1-15 LOCATION AND CONSIDER THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MAJOR
26 COMMUNITY CENTER -- WHEN THEY SAY COMMUNITY CENTER, THEY
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1 MEANT BOTH COMMUNITY SHOPPING AND CIVIC CONSIDERATIONS --
2 BE CONSIDERED FOR FOOTHILL AND HAVEN, NORTHEAST CORNER.
3 WE HAVE A SUGGESTION THAT, IF THE CITY COUNCIL CONCURS
4 WITH THAT, THAT THE PROPER DECISION THIS EVENING WOULD
§ BE THAT THE STAFF SUGGEST THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE THE
6 STAFF SUGGEST TO THE CITY GENERAL PLAN CONSULTANT THAT
7 THEY CONSIDER A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER LOCATED AT
$ FOOTHILL BOULEVARD AND 1-15 AND A MAJOR COMMUNITY CENTER
9 AT FOOTHILL AND HAVEN, NORTHWEST CORNER, AND THAT A
10 DRAFT GENERAL PLAN BE DEVELOPED FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
11 AND, BASICALLY, WE ARE GIVING DIRECTION
12 TO THE GENERAL PLAN CONSULTANT TO PREPARE A DOCUMENT,
13 AND THIS DOCUMENT WILL NOT ONLY HAVE THE MAJOR LAND USE
14 RELATIONSHIPS IN THE COMMUNITY BUT WILL INTEGRATE INTO
15 A SINGLE PLAN ALL THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED
16 AS PART OF A GEI.~ERAL PLAN; AND, OF COURSE, AN E.I.R.
17 BE PREPARED, AND IN THE E.I.R. THERE WILL BE EXPLORATION
18 OF ALTERNATIVES AS REQUIRED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
19 ACT. AND, OF COURSE, THE CONSIDERATION OF ALTERNATIVES
20 WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION OF GENERAL PLAN LEVEL ALTERNATIVE
21 MR. LEWIS: EXCUSE ME, MR. MAYOR.
22 JACK, DID YOU SAY WHICH CORNER OF FOOTHILl
23 AND HAVEN?
24 MR. LAM: NORTHEAST.
25 MR. MAYOR: YES?
26 MR. PALOMBO: I WOULD SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE
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1 DAY CREEK QUESTION.
2 LLOYD, LET'S SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE DAY
3 CREEK QUESTION.
4 MR. LAM: WHAT ABOUT DAY CREEK?
5 MR. PALOMBO: I SAID LET'S SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS
6 THE --
7 MR. LAM: THE E.I.R. WILL EXPLORE THE IMPACT
B UPON THE COMMUNITY OF THE GENERAL PLAN. IT WILL NOT
9 EXPLORE THE PROJECT IMPACTS.
10 MR. PALOMBO: AND, LLOYD, HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS
11 IT?
12 MR. HUBBS: I THINK, AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE
13 COUNCIL, AS PART OF ITS MASTER PLAH UPDATE, DESIGNATED
14 $12,000 TO OUR CONSULTANT TO STUDY THE DAY CREEK --
15
ETIWANDA ISSUE. THAT REPORT WILL BEGIN SHORTLY, AND THE
16
RESULTS WILL BE A STUDY THAT INDICATES WHAT MEASURES
17 SHOULD BE TAKEN AND EXPLORED AND THEIR OPTIONS FOR DEVELOP.
18
MENT OF DAY CREEK. AND WE WILL USE THAT AS A VEHICLE TO
19
COORDINATE EFFORTS WITH RIVERSIDE COUNTY, SAN BERNARDINO
2O
COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL AND ONTARIO. SO WE WILL VERY PROBABL'
21
HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE AROUND TItE TIME THE E.I.R.
22
IS PREPARED AJND SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
23
MR. BRIDGE: A QUESTION ON THAT SAME ITEM. DOES
24
THE DAY CREEK RUNOFF HIT THE SANTA FE SECTION BEING
25
DEVELOPED IN ONTARIO HERE? I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT HUGE
26
K MART DEVELOPMENT AND PROPERTY SOUTH OF THAT. IS THAT
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1 WHAT RUNS RIGHT ACROSS?
2 MR. HUBBS: NO. ETIWANDA RUNS THROUGH --
3 MR. BRIDGE: ETIWANDA?
4 MR. HUBBS: DAY CREEK IS VERY CLOSE TO INTER-
5 STATE 15.
6 MR. SCHLOSSER: IT GOES RIGHT UNDER THE 1-15,
7 RIGHT BELOW ARROW.
8 MR. HUBBS: RIGHT.
9 MR. MAYOR: SEEMS TO ME DAY CREEK GOES BY THE
10 NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE K MART CENTER.
11 MR. BRIDGE: THAT'S MY QUESTION, AND LLOYD
12 CONTRADICTED THAT IDEA.
13 MR. MAYOR: THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS DOWN THERE.
14 I'M NOT SURE THAT'S RELEVANT.
15 MR. BRIDGE: WELL, IF NO ONE WANTS TO TALK, I'LL
16 BE GLAD TO.
17 MR. MAYOR: FIRE AWAY.
18 MR. BRIDGE: IN THE FIRST PLACE, THOSE OF US
19 THAT HAVE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS AND HAVE
20 ALWAYS THOUGHT OF ANYTHING EAST OF HAVEN AS BEING BLOW
21 SAND COUHTRY, IT'S HARD TO CONCEIVE THAT THERE IS ANOTHER
22 VIABLE POTENT/AL, AND THE DEVELOPERS ARE HERE AND PEOPLE
23 ARE HERE WITH CONTRADICTIONS TO CONTRADICT US AND POINT
24 OUT REALITY TO US THAT WHAT WAS CONCEIVED IS A POSSIBILITY
25 I THINK WE OWE A LOT TO THE VISION AND INVESTMENT OF TIME
26 AND CAPITAL AND ENERGY TO MAKE SOMETHING OF THIS AREA,
55
1 BECAUSE, REALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE THE CENTER OF OUR
2 COMMUNITY.
3 ANOTHER IDEA THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO CON-
4 CEIVE, BUT WE'RE SEEING IT COMING RIGHT SMACK IN THE CENTE
$ OF A HUGE POTENTIAL, REALLY THE GREATEST POTENTIAL OF OUR
6 CITY, IS NOW EAST OF HAVEN IN THE ETIWANDA -- THE SPACE
? BETWEEN HAVEN AND ETIWANDA. I'M GLAD TO SEE THE INTEREST
8 AND HIGH CALIBER PLANNING THAT'S GOING INTO THIS AREA.
9 I LOOK AT THE PROBLEM OF WHERE TO HAVE
10 WHAT IN RELATION TO THE MAXIMUM BENEFIT TO THE CITY AND
11 WITH THE MINIMUM OF DETRIMENT TO THE CITY. AMONG THE
12 IDEAS THAT I HAVE FOR MAXIMUM BENEFIT IS A GOOD SELECTION,
13 A WIDE RANGE OF SHOPPING POSSIBILITIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS,
14 FOR THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITIES. MOST OF US WILL PROB-
15 ABLY BE SHOPPING MID-LEVEL MOST OF THE TIME, BUT WE
15 REALLY HAVE NO OPTION AT THE PRESENT WITHOUT DRIVING MANY
17 MILES TO GET THAT OCCASIONAL, OR DEPENDING UPON YOUR
18 POCKETBOOK, MORE FREQUENT -- WHAT'S THE TERM -- HIGH-
19 LEVEL OR HIGH-CLASS, OR WHATEVER IT IS, TYPE OF SHOPPING
20 THAT WE DO ONCE IN A WHILE. I'M SURE THAT THERE WILL BE
21 A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF SHOPPING IN EITHER OR BOTH OF
22 THESE PROJECTS AS THEY ARE DEVELOPED FOR THE REST OF OUR
23 DAY-TO-DAY TASTES, DAY-TO-DAY DEMANDS.
24 LET ME TALK ABOUT THE CIRCULATION JUST A
25 SECO[~D. I'M LOOKING AT A CHANCE FOR COMPLETE SUCCESS.
26 THIS IS A MAJOR THING THAT WE ARE DOING, A~ID I THINK IT
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1 BEHOOVES US TO CONCERN OURSELVES WITH A REGIONAL CENTZR
2 GIVEN EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED. AND THIS IS GOING TO
3 TAKE POSSIBLY MORE TRAFFIC THAN WE CAN DEVELOP WITHIN OUR
4 OWN COMMUNITY, SO IT IS TRULY REGIONAL. AND I'M CONVINCED
5 THAT, IN SPITE OF THE ARGUMENTS TO THE CONTRARY, THAT THE
6 FREEWAYS WILL BE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR. TODAY, I CONCUR
7 MOST OF THE TRAFFIC SEEMS TO BE GOING OUT 1-10 HEADED FOR
$ LAS VEGAS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A GROWING SHOPPING COMMUNITY
9 OUT IN THE HIGH DESERT-VICTORVILLE AREA. THESE PEOPLE,
10 I THINK, WILL DO OCCASIONAL SHOPPING, OR RATHER MOqE THAN
11 OCCASIONAL SHOPPING, IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY IF THERE IS A
12 GOOD SPREAD OF FACILITIES FOR THEM.
13 I THINK PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTAt~T
14 THINGS, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH SUCCESS, IS AN EMPLOYMENT
15 POSSIBILITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THE HIGHEST SALES TAX
16
REVENUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND THIS WOULD BE DEVELOPED
17
WITH A SUCCESSFUL REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER WITHIN OUR
18
CITY BOUNDARIES.
19
AMONG TIlE MINIMUM OF DETRIMENTS, OF COURSE
20
NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CIRCULATION, AND IT'S BEEN WELL
21
COVERED, THE PROS AND CONS OF IT. I'D LIKE TO ADD ANOTHER
22
MINIMUM DETRIMENT. I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD PICK AN AREA
23
THAT HAS MINIMUM DETRIMENT TO OUR INDUSTRIAL AREA, WHICH
24
[ CONSIDER HIGHLY CRITICAL BOTH FROM EMPLOYMENT AND SALES
25
TAX THAT IS GENERATED FOR OUR COMMUNITY FROM OUR INDUSTRIAl
26 AREA.
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1 BOTH PROPERTIES ARE VALUABLE, VITAL
2 PROPERTIES. THE OPTIONS OVER ON HAVEN ARE EXTREMELY
3 VALUABLE. I HAVE HAD SOME DISAGREEMENT IN MY MIND LAST
4 NIGHT WHEN I SAT OUT IN THE AUDIENCE AND LISTENED TO THE
5 EXTENDED ARGUMENTS, PRESENTATIONS BEFORE THE PLANNING
6 COMMISSION; A BIT OF RESERVATION ON THE USE OF THE
7 COMMUNITY OR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY, THE CIVIC
8 PORTION. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD KEEP OUR OPTIONS OPEN.
g IT SHOULD BE IN THE CENTER OF TOWN, BUT I HATE TO SEE --
10 I DON'T LIKE TO SEE A REAL COMMITMENT NOW THAT CITY HALL,
11 WHEN AND IF, WILL BE IN SOME EXACT LOCATION, WHETHER IT
12 BE ON TERRA VISTA OR NORTH OF IT OR EAST OF IT OR WEST OF
13 IT OR WHEREVER. I'D LIKE TO LEAVE THAT OPTION OPEN. IN
14 THIS REGARD, I THINK THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE
15 PLANNING COMMISSION ON THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BY THE
16 COUNCIL AS RECOMMENDATIONS ONLY.
17 I WILL EXPRESS MY DESIRE, MY OPINION --
18 I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S TIME FOR A MOTION -- BUT MY
19 SENTIMENTS ARE FOR A REGIONAL TO BE OUT ON THE 1-10 AREA;
20 AND, AT THE PROPER TIME, AFTER MORE DISCUSSION --
21
MR. MIKELS: YOU MEAN THE 1-15.
22
MR~ BRIDGE: OUT ON THE DEVORE, EXCUSE ME.
23
GET MY FREEWAY NUMSERS MIXED UP.
24
MR. SCHLOSSER: I WOULD SAY I AM IN AGREEMENT
25
WITH THAT, RATHER THAN REITERATE ALL THE OTHER POINTS; AND
26
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INDUSTRIAL AREA
1 IS REALLY NOT CUT UP WITH MORE TRAFFIC THAN IS NECESSARY
2 SO THAT IT DISCOURAGES ANY INDUSTRIAL GROWTH IN THAT AREA.
3 THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE
4 PRO AND CON THAT FIT BOTH AREAS, AND THIS IS REALLY A
5 VERY, VERY HARD DECISION. AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE 1-15
6 AND FOOTHILL SEEMS TO BE THE PLACE FOR THE REGIONAL
7 SHOPPING CENTER, AND I WOULD FAVOR THAT AREA.
B MR. MIKELS: I THINK'WE HAVE TO CONSIDER SEVERAL
9 THINGS IN DETERMINING THE LQCATION. I THINK THESE THINGS
10 HAVE BEEN BROUGHT OUT, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO TOO
11 MUCH DETAIL ABOUT THEM.
12 ONE, OF COURSE, IS THE IMAGE WE ARE TRYING
13 TO PROJECT OF OUR CITY AND HOW OUR LAND USE PLANNING
14 ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN CAN HELP US IN CREATING THE
15 IMAGE THAT WE WANT TO DESIGN FOR OUR CITY.
16 I THINK TRAFFIC CIRCULATION IS EXTREMELY
17 IMPORTANT, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN CONVINCED THAT THERE'S GOING
18 TO BE MUCH DIFFERENCE AT ALL REGARDLESS OF WHICH LOCATION
19 THE REGIONAL CENTER IS LOCATED AT. WE ARE GOING TO GET
20 TRAFFIC IN EITHER CASE.
21 I AGREE WITH MRS. HANSON THAT 1-15 IS NOT
22 THE COMMUNITY.AREA FREEWAY AND THAT ANY BUSINESS THAT CONE
23 OFF THERE WILL BE MINIMAL IN COMPARISON TO THE MARKET AREA
24
PRESENT MARKET AREA, TO TIlE NORTH AND WEST.
25 [ THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE APPROPRIATi
26 LOCATION FOR A CIVIC CENTER SITE AND DO WE WANT TO MAKE
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1 THAT A CENTRAL LOCATION OR CENTRAL FOCUS OF THE CITY OR
2 DO WE WANT TO LOCATE THAT ON THE PERIPHERY?
3 ALTHOUGH WE'VE BEEN ASKED BY OUR STAFF
4 NOT TO CONSIDER IT, I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE
5 USES THAT WOULD BE LOCATED IN EACH OF THE CENTERS. I
6 THINK THAT THERE'S NO WAY OF AVOIDING TAKING THAT INTO
7 CONSIDERATION.
B THOSE ARE SOME OF THE POINTS THAT I HAVE
9 CONSIDERED. I ATTENDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
10 LAST NIGHT, AND I THINK I BASICALLY AGREE WITH THE
11 RECOMMENDATION. SOME OF THE POINTS THAT THE LYON AND HAHN
12 COMPANIES HAVE BROUGHT OUT IN FAVOR OF THE LOCATION OF
13
THEIR PROJECT, IN MY MIND, DON'T ADD UP THAT MUCH; HOW-
EVER, I DO THINK THAT THE 1-15 FREEWAY, IF FOR NO OTHER
15
REASON, PROVIDES A BUFFER TO THE CENTER. SOMETHING WITH
16
SIX MAJOR SHOPPING LOCATIONS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A
17
HUGE CHUNK OF PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A CON-
18
SIDERABLE AMOUNT OF DESIGN CONTROL TO BLEND IN WITH THE
19
SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. I THINK THE 1-15 FREEWAY IS ONE
2O
BUFFER ON THE ENTIRE EAST SIDE OF IT.
21 SO, AT THIS POINT, I FAVOR THE LOCATION OF
22
THE REGIONAL CENTER ON 1-15. I ALSO FAVOR THE DEVELOPMENT
23
OF, WITHOUT A DEFINITION AT THIS POINT, A MAJOR CENTER AT
24
THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF HAVEN AND FOOTHILL.
25 MR. PALOMBO: IN CONCLUSION, I WOULD CONCUR
26 WITH COUNCIL'S COMMENTS TO THIS POINT. BECAUSE OF THE
6O
1 THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO READ IT.
2 I BELIEVE THAT THE COUNCIL AND STAFF WOULD
3 SUGGEST TO THE CITY GENERAL PLANNING CONSULTANT THAT HE
4 CONSIDER A REGIONAL CENTER LOCATED AT FOOTHILL BOULEVARD
5 AND 1-15 AND A MAJOR COMMUNITY CENTER AT FOOTHILL BOULE-
6 VARD AND HAVEN, THE NORTHEAST CORNER AT FOOTHILL AND
7 HAVEN; AND THAT A DRAFT GENERAL PLAN BE DEVELOPED FOR
8 PUBLIC HEARING.
9 MR. MIKELS: I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
10 MR. BRIDGE: JUST A TECHNICALITY IN THE ~'IORDING
11 JIM. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO OUR PLANNERS? ARE WE RECOMMEN
12 ING THAT THEY CONSIDER SOMETHING OR ARE WE DICTATING TO
13 THEM THAT THEY BRING INTO THE GENERAL PLAN THE COMMUNITY'
14 DESIRES? I HAVE A LITTLE CONFUSION IN MY MIND WHAT OUR
15 RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SEDWAY/COOKE FIRM IS.
16 MR. LAM: WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS GIVING DIRECTIO
17 INTO PREPARING A DOCUMENT, AND IF YOUR DIRECTION IS TO
18 CONSIDER THE REGIONAL ON 1-15 AND FOOTHILL, THEN A DRAFT
19 AND LAND USE PROPOSAL WOULD BE DEVELOPED WITH ALL THE
20 NECESSARY LAND USE RELATIONSHIPS FOR PUBLIC HEARING
21
PURPOSES. WE HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF
22
CONCEPTUAL ALTERNATIVES THROUGH THE COMMUNITY GROUP.
23
THESE ARE AT THE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL.
24
MR. MAYOR: DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
25 MR. BRIDGE: WELL, PRETTY MUCH SO. I HAD, FOR
26 SEVERAL WEEKS, A QUESTION IN MY MIND dUST EXACTLY THE
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1 RELATIONSHIP OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMISSION TO TH~
2 PLANNING FIRM AND OUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE PLANNING FIRM,
3 AND I FELT THAT IT WAS TIME THAT WE STOPPED THE CONTINUOUS
4 DISCUSSION WHICH HAS BEEN GOING ON. THE CITIZENS ADVISORY
$ COMMITTEE HAS BEEN WORKING FOR WEEKS ON THIS PARTICULAR
6 PROBLEM ABOUT THE REGIONAL CENTERS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO
7 GET ON WITH THE TOTAL PLAN WE HIRED SEDWAY/COOKE TO DO
8 BECAUSE THERE IS SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE
9 BROUGHT UP. I'D LIKE TO GET THIS IN CONCRETE TO A DEGREE
10 MR. MIKELS: WE CAN DIRECT SEDWAY/COOKE ANY WAY
11 THE COUNCIL FEELS LIKE DIRECTING SEDWAY/COOKE. WE DETER-
12 MINE THE RELATIONSHIP. WE HIRED THEM.
13 MR. BRIDGE: SOMETIMES I HAVE A LITTLE QUESTION
14 IN MY MIND THAT EVERYONE APPRECIATES THE SAME WAY THAT
15 YOU AND I ARE COMMENTING ON, JOHN,
16 MR. LAM: WE HAD A RECENT MEETING WITH THE CON-
17 SULTANT FIRM, AND THE DETERMINATION IS DIRECTION. THEY
18 WILL BE PREPARING THE GENERAL PLAN AFTER THIS BASIC
19 MEETING THAT WILL REFLECT THE CONCERNS OF THE C.A.C. AND
20 THE CITY COUNCIL. THE ASSURANCES WERE GIVEN TO THE CITY.
21
MR. BRIDGE: I'D BE HAPPY TO SEE THEM START
22
TO GET INTO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE OLDER PARTS OF
23
THE COMMUNITY AND SO ON.
24
MR. MAYOR: ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
25 (NO RESPONSE.)
26
MR. MAYOR: I'LL MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS OF MY
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1 OWN, THEN. WE'LL GO FROM THERE AND SEE IF ANYONE WOULD
2 LIKE TO RESPOND.
3 PART OF THIS, I GUESS, MIGHT BE AN
4 INTRODUCTION AS TO WHETHER THE COUNCIL HAS ANY CONCEPTUAL
5 IDEAS INSOFAR AS INFORMAL DIRECTION THE STAFF MIGHT GIVE
6 SEDWAY/COOKE IN REGARD TO THE DECISION WE MAKE TONIGHT.
7 FIRST OF ALL, INSOFAR AS THE REGIONAL CENTER, I WOULD
8 CONCUR THAT THE LOCATION SHOULD BE FOOTHILL AND 1-15.
9 THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT HAS BEEN SAID. I DON'T ,'~ANT
10 TO REITERATE THAT. BUT ONE ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT UP
11 WAS THAT OF COMPLEMENTARY USES, AND I CONCUR WITH WHAT'S
12 BEEN SAID ABOUT THAT. IT'S BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
13 CITY TO CONTROL THOSE AT THAT LOCATION SO THAT WE DON'T
14 INFRINGE UPON THE INDUSTRIAL AREA. THAT'S A COMMITMENT
15 WE MADE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AND I SEE NO INDICATION THAT
16 ANY OF US WISH TO CHANGE THAT COMMITMENT.
17 I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE COMPLEMENTARY
18 USES STAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF 1-15. THERE ARE INDICA-
19 TIONS BY THE DEVELOPER THE OTHER EVENING THAT THERE MIGHT
20 BE SOME MAJOR CIRCULATION CHANGES TO UTILIZE THE LOWER
21 PART OF ETIWANDA AVENUE FOR ACCESS INTO THE SITE. I'D
22 HAVE TO GET A HECK OF A SALES JO3 ON THAT BEFORE I CAN
23
AGREE WITH IT.
24 SALES TAX REVENUE. THE WAY THE SITUATION
25 IS IN CALIFORNIA NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN ASSUME
26 THAT THE FUNDING STRUCTURES REVENUED TO TitE CITY WILL
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1 REMAIN AS IT IS NOW IN PERPETUITY. A SALES TAX IS NOT
2 A GIVEN, AND I DON~T THINK THAT WE SHOULD ASSUME THAT IT
3 WILL CONTINUE TO BE.
4 INSOFAR AS THE OTHER CORNER GOES, I WOULD
5 DISAGREE WITH WHAT I HEARD FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIOH
B LAST NIGHT. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY EMPHASIZED THE IMPOR-
7 TANCE OF THAT CORNER QUITE STRONGLY ENOUGH. I WOULD CONCUi ,
8 I THINK, MORE DIRECTLY WITH WHAT PETE TOLSTOY SAID IN
9 FACT THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT AS A UNIQUE RESOURCE
10 WHICH IS VERY RARE AND WILL BE ESSENTIAL TO BECOME A FOCAL
11 CENTER OF THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T THINK THIS DIRECTION
12 AND THE MOTION THAT MR. PALOMBO MADE GAVE EMPHASIS TO
13 THAT AS STRONGLY AS THE COUNCIL MAY FEEL APPROPRIATE.
14 OTHER THAN THAT, CONCEPTUALLY, I CONCUR
15 WITH THE --
16 MR. MIKELS: I HAVE ONE POINT, JIM. I ATTENDED
17 THE MEETING. I KNOW YOU DID TOO, LAST NIGHT.
18 WHEN WE START TRYING TO ENLARGE THE
19 SCOPE OF OUR OBJECTIVE HERE TONIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO --
20 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OPENING UP AN ENTIRE NEW LINE O?
21 INQUIRY AND DISCUSSION. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE
22 ARE HERE TO DETERMINE THE LOCATION FOR A REGIONAL SHOPPING
23 CENTER. I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON THIS COUNCIL THINKS ANY
24 DIFFERENT WITH REGARD TO UTILIZATION AND THE IMPORTANCE
25 OF THE HAVEN AND FOOTHILL INTERSECTION, BUT [ THI~K
26 BASICALLY IT WOULD BE BETTER TO RESERVE DISCUSSIO~ OF
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1 THAT MATTER UNTIL A LATER TIME AND WHEN WE ARE FURTHER
2 ALONG IN THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS.
3 I AGREE WITit YOUR POINT, HOWEVER.
4 MR. MAYOR: I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, BASICALLY,
5 IS I AGREE WITH THE DUAL FOCUS POINT WITH STRONG EMPHASIS
6 ON THE REGIONAL LEVEL AT 1-15 AND EQUALLY STRONG EMPHASIS
7 ON A LOCAL LEVEL AT HAVEN AND FOOTHILL. AND I WOULD
8 LIKE TO SEE THAT TRANSMITTED TO THE CONSULTANT BECAUSE
9 THAT IMPLIES SOME OPTIONS OVER AND ABOVE THE SIMPLE
10 STATEMENT OF THE COMMISSION.
11 MR. MIKELS: WELL, YOU ARE PROPOSING -- WHAT
12 WAS YOUR DEFINITION FOR THE PROPOSAL -- ON THE NORTHEAST
13 CORNER OF HAVEN AND FOOTHILL?
14 MR. MAYOR: WELL, JUST AN INCREASE ON THE
15 EMPHASIS ON THAT CORNER.
16 MR. PALOMBO: GIVE ME THE LANGUAGE, JIM.
17 MR. MIKELS: LET'S LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING
18 ABOUT.
19 MR. MAYOR: GIVE ME THAT MOTION AGAIN, MIKE.
20 MR. PALOMBO: THE COUNCIL A~ID STAFF SUGGEST
21 TO THE CITY GENERAL PLANNING CONSULTANT THAT THEY CONSIDER
22
A REGIONAL CENTER LOCATED AT FOOTHILL BOULEVARD AND 1-15,
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A MAdOR COMMUNITY CENTER AT FOOTHILL AND HAVEN, NORTHEAST
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CORNER OF FOOTHILL AND HAVEN; AND THAT A DRAFT GENERAL
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PLAN BE DEVELOPED FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
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MR. MIKELS: I SUGGEST ONE MODIFICATION. WE
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1 MIGHT WANT TO INCLUDE IN THERE FROM THE DETERMINATION OF
2 REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER, I THINK CONCURRENT WITH THAT
3 DECISION IS GOING TO BE THE POSSIBLE LOCATION OF OUR
4 CIVIC CENTER. AND I KNOW WE CONSIDER THAT AS MERELY
5 THE DIRECT MIDDLE OF THE CITY, BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO
B WIDEN THE SCOPE OF THE DECISION TONIGHT, I THINK THAT
? HAS TO BE BROUGHT INTO FOCUS.
B MR. PALOMBO: THE BASIS OF THE CONCERN IS THAT
9 WE HAVE BOTH THE MAYORtS CONCERN OF WHAT WE ARE FOCUSING
10 ON AND WHAT YOU ARE BRINGING INTO IT AND ALSO WHAT
11 COUNCILMAN BRIDGE HAS BROUGHT TO IT. BUT I THINK WE ARE
12 TRYING TO FOCUS AT ONE POINT OF DECISION RIGHT NOW. WE
13 ARE NOT TRYING TO COMPLETE THE BROAD SPAN, AND THIS IS
14 BRINGING SOMETHING FORWARD TO THE HEARING PROCESS.
1S MR. MIKELS: THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THAT IS
16 WHY I WOULD REALLY RATHER DEFER CONSIDERATION OF GIVING
17 ANY FURTHER DIRECTION WITH REGARD TO OTHER LOCATIONS
18 RATHER THAN THE DESIGNATION THAT'S BEEN GIVEN AND THE
19 MOTION MADE.
20 MR. PALOMBO: I BELIEVE IT ADDRESSES TIlE
21 STRUCTURE WE ARE TRYING TO ANSWER; AND IF WE GO BEYOND
22 THAT, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS TO GIVE.
23 MR. BRIDGE: I BELIEVE THAT THE WORDING OF THE
24 MOTION ADEQUATELY EXPRESSES OUR CONCERN AND VITAL INTEREST
25 AND THE BEST UTILIZATION OF THE HAVEN AND FOOTHILL TRACT,
26 AND [ WOULD OFFER A SECOND TO MIKE'S MOTION.
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1 MR. MIKELS: I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN SECONDED.
2 MR. BRIDGE: FINE. I'LL THIRD IT.
3 MR. LEWIS: MAYOR FROST, I'M STILL NOT CLEAR.
4 I AGREE WITH YOU, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT CORNER, BUT IT
5 SEEMS SOMEBODY CAN HEAR ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND GO ONE OF
8 TWO DIRECTIONS. I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS LAST
7 NIGHT HAD IN MIND A MAJOR COMMERCIAL TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
8 THEY ARE ASKING HOW MANY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET COULD BE
g IN A DEPARTMENT STORE THERE AND SO ON. IT'S POSS~3LE
10 TO INTERPRET WHAT YOU GENTLEMEN ARE SAYING AS SAYI~,iG
11 THERE SHOULD BE A NICE LITTLE CITY HALL AND CUTE LITTLE
12 LIBRARY BUILDING AT THAT CORNER.
13 MR. MAYOR: CAN YOU FOLKS HEAR BACK THERE?
14 ALL RIGHT.
15 MR. PALOMBO: THE CONTENT OP THE MOTION IS
16 VERY SPECIFIC IN SAYING A MAJOR COMMUNITY CENTER.
17 MR. LEWIS: FINE.
18 MR. BRIDGE: I THINK YOU HAVE NO FEAR ON IT.
19 IT'S TOO BEAUTIFUL A SITE.
20 MR. MAYOR: I THINK THE MOTION IS BROAD ENOUGH
21 THAT THOSE CONCEPTS CAN BE BROUGHT INTO IT. WE DO HAVE
A FUTURE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING COMING UP.
23
WE DON'T HAVE A FIRM DATE YET.
24
MR. LAM: THE DATE WAS TENTATIVE, AND WE MUST
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NOW EVALUATE THE PROGRAM TO ESTABLISH A FIRM DATE.
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MR. MAYOR: SO, HOPEFULLY, NEXT WEDNESDAY, WE'LL
1 BE ABLE TO ANNOUNCE A DATE FOR THE NEXT CITIZENs ADVISORY
2 MEETING.
IN THE MEANTIME, THE MOTION WILL HANDL,
4 THE GENERAL INTENT. ANy FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL
5 OR ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND
6 TO THAT PARTICULAR ACTION?
7
8 (NO RESPONSE.)
MR. MAYOR: ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION POSED BY
g MR. PALOMBo AND SECONDED BY MR. MIKELS. WOULD
YOU REPEAT
10 IT AGAIN dUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE.
MR. PALOMBo: THE MOTION IS THAT THE COUNCIL
12 AND STAFF SUGGEST TO THE CITy GENERAL PLAN CONSULTANT
13 THAT HE CONSIDER A REGIONAL CENTER LOCATED AT FOOTHILL
14 BOULEVARD AND 1-15 AND THE MAJOR COMMUNITY CENTER AT
15 FOOTHILL AND HAVEN, NORTHEAST CORNER AT FOOTHILL AND
16 HAVEN; AND THAT A DRAFT GENERAL PLAN BE DEVELOPED FOR
17 PUBLIc HEARING.
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MR. MAYOR: THANK YOU.
0 THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SO SIGNIFy.
ALL COUNCILMEN: AYE.
1
MR. MAYOR: OPPOSED?
(NO RESPONSE.)
MR. MAYOR: CARRIED,
(OTHER MATTERs.)
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