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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1980/03/27 - Minutes - Adjourned March 27, 1980 CItY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA CITY COUNCIL MINUTES Adjourned Meetin8 Present: Phillip D. Schlosser, Councilman; Jori D. Mikels, Councilman; Michael A. Palombo, Councilman; Arthur H. Bridge, Councilman; and Mayor James C. Frost. Also present: City Manager, Lauren M. Wasserman; Deputy City Attorney, Robert Dougherty; Community Development Director, Jack Lam; Senior Planner, Barry Hogan; City Engineer, Lloyd B. Hubbs. The adjourned meeting of March 27, 1980 was for the purpose of a public (1) hearing on the General Plan. Minutes were taken by a certified public recorder, which are attached. 1 RANCHO CUCAMONGA, CALIFORNIA, MARCH 27, 1980, 7:00 P.M. 3 5 MR. MAYOR: GOOD EVENING. I CALL THIS SPECIAL 8 MARCH 27TH MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF 7 RANCHO CUCAMONGA TO ORDER, AND IF WE'D STAND, PLEASE, FOR 8 THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 9 MEMBERS PRESENT. COUNCILMAN BRIDGE? 10 MR. BRIDGE: HERE. 11 MR. MAYOR: COUNCILMAN MIKELS? 12 MR. MIKELS: HERE. 13 MR. MAYOR: SC~LOSSER? 14 MR~ SCHL0$SER: .~ERE. 15 MR. MAYOR: FROST IS HERE. 18 JUST FOR THE SAKE OF FORMALITY, COUNCILMAN 17 PALOMBO MIGHT BE A FEW MINUTES LATE, SO IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH 18 US, LET'S CALL A RECESS FOR 10 MINUTES. IF HE CAN MAKE IT 19 THEN, WE'LL GET STARTED AT THAT TIME. IF HE'S NOT HERE, 20 THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCEED. 21 (BRIEF RECESS TAKEN.) 22 MR. ~AYOR: LET'S CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. 23 PERHAPS A BRIEF INTRODUCTION IS IN ORDER 24. OF THE REASON FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. FOR THOSE OF 25 YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS, IT BEGAN, 26 RELATIVELY SPEAKI[4G, IN MARCH, 1978. WE HAD AT THAT TIME 1 DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME OPTIONS FOR THE CENTRAL 2 PART OF THE CITY IN THE GENERAL PLAN, THE CONCEPT OF PRO- 3 VIDING A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER FOR THE COMMUNITY IN 4 EITHER OF THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. BY PROVIDING, I MEAN 5 BEGINNING OR INITIATING THE PLANNING PROCESS FOR THAT. AT 6 THIS PARTICULAR STAGE, THE CITY HAS GOT INTO A PROCESS OF 7 REVIEWING THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN WHICH 8 WAS ADOPTED IN COORDINATION WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE 9 OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN WHICH WE ANTICIPATE 10 BEING PREPARED BY AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. 11 THE CITY IS AT A POINT AT THIS TIME WHERE 12 WE SHOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO OUR CONSULTING FIRM AS 13 TO A PARTICULAR SPECIFIC LOCATION WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO 14 SEE A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER DESIGNATION TO BE BOUGHT 15 FOR THE CITIZENS OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA AND A DRAFT LAND USE 15 ELEMENT FOR PUBLIC HEARIHG AND DISCUSSION. I MENTION THAT 17 FACT BECAUSE SOME REPORTS HAVE ERRONEOUSLY BEEN MADE THAT 18 THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD MADE A DECISION LAST NIGHT ON 19 WHERE A REGIONAL CENTER SHOULD GO AND THAT THE COUNCIL WAS 20 TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT ON WHERE A REGIONAL CENTER 21 SHOULD GO. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. I THINK OUR OPTIONS ARE 22 TO DETERMINE IF, IN FACT, BASICALLY WHETHER WE WANT A 23 REGIONAL CENTER. WE HAVE SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE FOR THE LAST 24 COUPLE OF YEARS TO INDICATE THAT THAT'S THE CASE, BUT MORE 25 IMPORTANTLY IT REALLY, IN THE LONG RUN, COMES DOWN TO THE 26 FACT THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT, WHICHEVER DIRECTION 1 WE MAKE TONIGHT AND WHICHEVER DIRECTION Tile RESIDENTS OF TH[ 2 CITY THROUGH THE HEARING PROCESS MAKES DURING THE COMPLETIO~ 3 OF T~E GENERAL PLAN PROCESS, WE DO NOT KNOW IN FACT THAT 4 A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER WILL EVER BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN 5 THE CITY BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE MARKET CONSTRAINTS OR OTHER 6 UNKNOWN FACTORS THAT MAY CROP UP IN THE FUTURE. AND FURTHE , ? ~HATEVER DECISION WE MAKE THIS EVENING WOULD BE OF A VERY 8 GENERAL NATURE ONLY; AND, AT THIS SPECIFIC POINT, WE ARE 9 SPEAKING STRICTLY ABOUT A PROPOSED LAND USE. THE CITY HAS 10 NO WAY OF K~OWING TO WHAT SPECIFIC PURPOSE THAT LAND WOULD 11 BE PUT INSOFAR AS WHICH STORES, IF ANY, WOULD BE DEVELOPED, 12 AND THE SYSTEM OF PROCEDURE IS VERY MUCH SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS WE GO DOWN THE ROAD FURTHER. 14 WE CERTAINLY HAVE ALL SEEN CASES IN POINT 15 WHERE THE SPECIFIC USE WAS DESIGNATED BUT, WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO A LEASE SITUATION, THERE'S ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY 17 OF OPINIONS CHANGING. WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND ALSO. lB SO, WITH THAT, I GO TO JACK LAM, OUR 19 DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, TO SEE IF HE WOULD LIKE 2O TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT, AF~D IF COUNCIL HAS ANY COMMENTS, 21 AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. 22 MR..LAM: MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THE 23 COUNCIL HAS ASKED AGAIN rIOT TO MAKE A DECISION ON AN 24 APPROVAL OF THE REGIONAL CENTER, BUT RATHER TO CONSIDER A 25 PARTICULAR DIRECTION FOR THE CITY'S PLANNING CONSULTANT 26 TO TAKE IN PREPARING A DRAFT GENERAL PLAN DOCUMENT INCLUDIN 1 A LAND USE PLAN FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PURPOSES. THIS IS 2 ~OT TftE FINAL STAGE OF THE GENERAL PLAN. WE ARE SORT OF 3 IN THE MIDDLE STAGE WHERE THE CONSULTANT NEEDS THE DIREC- 4 TION TO GO FURTHER INTO PREPARING THIS DRAFT, AND THERE $ WILL BE NUMEROUS PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE ANY GENERAL PLAN B IS ADOPTED. 7 AS THE MAYOR INDICATED, OUR INTERIM LAND 8 USE PLAN SHOWS SEVERAL SITES FOR A REGIONAL CENTER. AND 9 WE NOW HAVE A CONSULTANT ADDRESSING THE COMPLETION OF THE 10 PLAN. FURTHERMORE, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS APPOINTED A 11 CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT IS COMPRISED OF VARIOUS 12 INTERESTS IN THE COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS THE GOALS AND 13 OBJECTIVES RELATIVE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL PLAN. 14 AND, AGAIN, IT'S NOW TIME IN THE PROCESS TO GIVE SOME 15 DIRECTION TO THE CONSULTANT TO PREPARE THE FINAL DRAFT 16 PLAN FOR HEARING. 17 THE C.A.C. HAS CONSIDERED THE CONCEPTUAL lB ISSUES OF A REGIONAL CENTER LOCATION, AND THE CHAIRMAN IS 19 HERE THIS EVENING TO, IF YOU WISH, INDICATE WHAT THEIR 20 DIRECTION IS IN THIS MATTER. 21 LAST NIGHT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MET AND 22 HAS RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY PROVIDE 23 DIRECTION TO THE CONSULTANT FOR THE REGIONAL SHOPPING 24 CENTER TO BE LOCATED AT FOOTHILL AND 1-15 AND THAT A MAJOR 25 COMMUNITY CENTER BE CONSIDERED FOR TttE NORTHEAST CORNER 26 OF FOOTHILL AND HAVEN. 1 AND, AGAIN, IN CONSIDERING YOUR DIRECTION 2 THIS EVENING, THE COUNCIL SHOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUES AT A 3 GENERAL PLAN LEVEL, SUCH AS THE PHILOSOPHY OF COMMUNITY 4 DEVELOPMENT, THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE GENERAL PLAN, 5 OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY'S IMAGE, 6 COMMUNITY IDENTIFICATION, THE CONCEPTUAL ASPECTS OF 7 TRAFFIC PRIORITIES, COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND SO FORTH. WE B ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ASPECT OF A SITE PLAN. WE ARE 9 NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC STORES. WE ARE NOT TALKING 10 ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE FACILITIES, BUT MERELY THE GENERAL 11 DIRECTION FOR THE CONSULTANT TO PREPARE A DRAFT DOCUMENT 12 FOR HEARING PURPOSES. 13 AND WITH THAT, I WILL BE AVAILABLE TO 14 ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARISE. THE REPRESENTATIVES 15 OF FIRMS ARE HERE AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE C.A.C. IS HERE 16 THIS EVENING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 17 MR. MAY6R: DO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WISH TO ADD 18 ANYTHING AT THIS TIME? 19 (NO RESPONSE.) 20 MR. MAYOR: ALL RIGHT. BEFORE I FORGET IT A 21 SECOND TIME FOR THIS EVENING, THE AUSPICIOUS REASON FOR 22 TONIGHT'S MEETING IS THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE SECOND 23 ANNIVERSARY OF THE CITY MAt~AGER. LITTLE DID HE KNOW THAT 24 TWO YEARS AGO WHAT HE WAS GETTING INTO. TO CELEBRATE THAT, 25 TOMORROW EVENING HE IS GOING ON A WEEK'S VACATION WHICH 26 HAS GOT TO BE INDICATIVE OF SOMETHING. 1 LET'S GET BACK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND. 2 AGAIN, A BRIEF REITERATION, PERHAPS. CERTAINLY, THE 3 PROPONENTS OF THE TWO PARTICULAR PLANS ARE WELL AWARE THAT 4 THE CITY COUNCIL, AS INDIVIDUALS, IN EXCESS OF THREE YEARS S IN CONSIDERATION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING, OR ANTICIPATION. 6 AND, ALSO, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE COLLECTIVELY AND INDI- 7 VIDUALLY SPENT COUNTLESS UNTOLD HOURS ATTENDING MEETINGS 8 AND GOING THROUGH REVIEW PROCESSES AND SPEAKING TO THE 9 INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED. MOST OF US ARE GETTING TIRE~ OF 10 SHAVING TWICE A DAY THIS WEEK; BUT, IN ANY CASE, I THINK 11 THE PROPONENTS ARE WELL AWARE OF WHAT INFORMATION THE 12 COUNCIL HAS HAD, AND HOPEFULLY WOULD FIRST OF ALL, UNLESS 13 I HEAR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SUGGEST THAT WE STAY AWAY 14 FROM.THE SPECIFICS OF SITE PLANS AND WHICH TYPES OF USES 15 AND THOSE KINDS OF ARGUMENTS THIS EVENING BECAUSE I KNOW 16 THAT T~OSE OF YOU INVOLVED ARE AWARE OF WHAT I SAID. WE 17 REALLY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT GOES IN. IN FACT, TO 18 QUOTE A COMMENT I GOT, "A DEVELOPER CANNOT DICTATE THAT 19 KIND OF CRITERIA THREE YEARS OR MORE IN ADVANCE OF GROUND- 20 BREAKING." AND FURTHER, WHAT SPECIFIC COMMITMENTS AS TO 21 WHAT THE CENTER WILL LOOK LIKE AREN'T REALLY REALISTIC AT 22 THIS STAGE. 23 SO WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO KEEP ANY PRESENTA- 24 TIONS BOTH FROM THE PROPONENTS A~D AUDIENCE, FAIRLY ~RIEF 25 AND HOPEFULLY TO PROVIDE US WITH I,~FORMATION THAT YOU FEEL 26 WE MAY NOT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO OR MAY NOT FULLY COMPREHEND. 1 WE WOULD LIKE TO START OFF THE DISCUSSION, AND FOLLOWING 2 MR. LAM'S RECOMMENDATION, BY ASKING JEFF SCERANKA TO COME 3 FORWARD. JEFF HAS BEEN SERVING AS CHAIRMAN OF THE CITIZENS 4 ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE SELECTED TO REVIEW THE 5 PROCESS OF THIS STAGE WITH SEDWAY/COOKE, OUR CONSULTANT. 6 YOU MIGHT LEAD OFF YOUR INTRODUCTION WITH, ? GENERALLY, THE COMPOSITION OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND 8 WHY YOU THINK YOU EXIST. AND THEN WE WILL GO FROM THERE. 9 MR. SCERANKA: JEFF SCERANKA, AND I'M CHAIRMAN 10 OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE GENERAL PLAN. 11 OUR COMMITTEE, BASICALLY, HAS ATTEMPTED 12 TO REPRESENT A BROAD-BASED GROUPING OF THE COMMUNITY. WE 13 HAVE MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY; WE HAVE MEMBERS 14 OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE; WE HAVE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE 15 COMMUNITIES OF ETIWANDA, ALTA LOMA AND CUCAMONGA; WE HAVE 16 PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN HORSE TRAILS. WE HAVE PEOPLE 17 IN WHAT I THINK TO BE AS COMPREHENSIVE A POINT OF VIEW OF 18 THE CITY AS WE COULD POSSIBLY GET. OUR MEETINGS HAVE BEEN 19 GOING ON FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO MONTHS. WE'VE BEEN MEETING 20 AND CONSIDERING THE GENERAL PLAN. WE'VE BEEN GOING OVER 21 THE CONCEPTS AND GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY WITH THE PLANNING 22 CONSULTANT. WE HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PLANNING 23 COMMISSION AND TWO REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY COUNCIL ON 24 OUR COMMITTEE, AND DURING THAT TIME, WE HAVE MOVED TOWARDS 25 RESOLUTION OF SOME OF THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT THOSE OF 26 US IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING SINCE INCORPORA- i0 1 TION tO BUILD A GOOD STRONG, VIABLE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE 2 BEEN WORKING ON tHOSE GOALS. 3 IN CONSIDERING THE FRAMEWORK OF THE GENERAL 4 PLAN COMMITTEE, WE HAVE TRIED TO MAKE THE INPUT PROCESS AS 5 COMPLETE AS POSSIBLE. I'D LIKE TO MENTION THAT ALL OUR B MEETINGS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. WE ASK THE PEOPLE WITHIh 7 THE COMMUNITY TO COME AND GIVE THEIR INPUT. THE MEMBERS OF 8 THE COMMITTEE ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES ALLOWED TO SPEA~, AND 9 WE EMPHASIZE THAT. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS MUCH R~PRESEN- 10 TAT[ON FROM ALL THE COMMUNITY AS POSSIBLE. 11 IN TERMS OF THE DECISION THAT WE HAD TO 12 MAKE, IN TERMS OF ADVICE TOWARDS THE PLANNING COMMISSION 13 AND THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE ISSUES OF A REGIONAL SHOPPIHG 14 CENTER, I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT INTO FOCUS BY LOOKING AT 15 WHAT KINDS OF THINGS WE HAD TO LOOK AT. INSTEAD OF LOOKING 16 AT SITE PLANS IN OUR CONSIDERATIONS, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE 17 IMPACT OF A REGIONAL CENTER ON OUR COMMUNITY. WE WERE 18 LOOKING AT THE LONG-RANGE GOALS FOR OUR CITY AND TO SEE 19 HOW THE REGIONAL CENTER WOULD FIT INTO THOSE LONG-RANGE 20 GOALS. IN DOING THAT, WE~VE COME UP WITH THREE BASIC 21 COMPONENTS TO CONSIDER FOR A REGIONAL CENTER AND HOW IT 22 AFFECTS OUR CITY: FOCUS IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE TRAFFIC 23 IMPACT OF A REGIONAL CENTER, AND UTILITY OR USEFULNESS OF 24 A REGIONAL CENTER ON OUR COMMUNITY. 25 IN TERMS OF FOCUS OF THE CITY, IT'S 26 GENERALLY ACCEPTED THAT THE FOCUS OF THE CITY OF RANCHO 1t 1 CUCAMONGA IS A REFLECTION OF THE REASON WHY MANY OF US 2 MOVED TO THE AREA AND THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA OVER THE 3 YEARS. WE HAVE HAD MUCH DISCUSSION OF THE TERM OF ~'RURAL," 4 BUT REALLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS PEOPLE THAT MOVED 5 OUT HERE AND APPRECIATED THE MOUNTAINS. THEY HAVE APPRE- B CIATED THE FIELDS, AND THEY HAVE APPRECIATED THE FEELING ? THAT THEY WERE NOT CLUMPED TOGETHER IN ONE BIG MASS OF B CONCRETE. HOW TO PRESERVE THAT IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION; 9 AND, HOPEFULLY, THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS, WE CAN 10 SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH WAYS TO DO THAT. 11 THE FOCUS OF THE CITY SHOULD BE, FROM THE 12 CONSENSUS OF THE COMMITTEE, AT FOOTHILL AI~D HAVEN. THIS 13 FOCUS WOULD DIRECTLY TAKE EMPHASIS ON THE EXISTENCE OF THE 14 WINERY BUILDING ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND USE THAT AS A 15 REPRESENTATION OF THE KIND OF FACTOR AND THE KIND OF IMPACT 16 THAT OUR COMMUNITY FEELS ABOUT ITSELF AND THE WAY WE WANT 17 TO REPRESENT ITSELF 10 TO 20 TO 30 YEARS FROM NOW. WE DO 18 NOT FEEL THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE FOCUS OF THE 19 CITY AS A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER. 2O IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, ONE OF THE 21 MAJOR CONCERNS OF THE COMMITTEE WAS THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO SEE A FLOW-YHROUGH TRAFFIC ON OUR CITY STREETS TO THE 23 EXCESS THAT'S CAPABLE BY TAKING AN INAPPROPRIATE SITE. WE 24 DO NOT CONSIDER THE FACT OF WHAT SITE IS MORE APPROPRIATE 25 IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC IMPACT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WE 26 CA~-~ LOOK AT THAT ISSUE AND BE RESPONSIBLE TOWARDS LOOKING 12 1 AT THE NUMBERS. THOSE ARE DECISIONS THAT WE COULD NOT MAKE 2 BUT WE DO FEEL THAT WHEREVER THE SITE GOES IT SHOULD HAVE 3 AS LIMITED AN IMPACT ON TRAFFIC WITHIN OUR CITY AS POSSIBLE 4 AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A SPECIAL EMPHASIS TO LOOK AT STREETS 5 WHICH IS FOOTHILL, BASELINE, AND HAVEN AND MILLIKEN AND 6 THE IMPACT THAT THE REGIONAL CENTER WILL HAVE ON THE 7 INDUSTRIAL AREA AS WELL AS THE STREETS OF FOOTHILL AND 8 BASE LINE. 9 IN TERMS OF THE UTILITY TO THE COMe, UNITY 10 OF A REGIONAL CENTER, ITfS OBVIOUS TO THOSE OF US Ti~AT HAVE 11 BEEN SHOPPING IN PLACES SUCH AS BREA MALL AND SOUTFICOAST 12 PLAZA THAT WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR A COMPLETE SHOPPING 13 ALTERNATIVE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, AND A REGIONAL CENTER, 14 OBVIOUSLY, WILL PROVIDE THAT FOR US. WE DO NOT HAVE A 15 REGIONAL CENTER. WE DO NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF ALTERNATIVE 16 NOW; SO WE EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT, IF THE QUESTION IS TO 17 BE ASKED WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT A REGIONAL CENTER, YES, 18 WE DC. 19 THE OTHER FACTOR THAT IS TO BE CONSIDERED 20 IN TERMS OF UTILITY IN THE COMMUNITY IS THE FACT THAT IT' 21 WILL PROVIDE A STRONG TAX BASE FOR US. A REGIONAL CENTER 22 WILL NOT SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY SPECIFICALLY 23 AND ONLY. IT WILL SERVE THE NEEDS OF A REGION AS WELL AS 24 THE COMMUNITY. [ THINK THAT HAS TO- BE LOOKED AT CAREFULLY. 25 IN DISCUSSI~G TH~ CONCEPT OF THE FOCUS OF THE CITY AND ~OT 26 HAVING FOOTFIILL AND HAVEN AS A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER 13 1 BECAUSE THE FOCUS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT MORE RURALLY IN 2 NATURE AND CLOSELY TIED IN WITH THE WINERY, WE'VE COME UP 3 WITH THE CONCEPT THAT WE BELIEVE IS APPROPRIATE AS A DUAL 4 NUCLEI FOR THE CITY. IN OTHER WORDS, THE CIVIC CENTER 5 WOULD BE AT FOOTHILL AND HAVEN, AND THAT WOULD BE THE 6 FOCUS FOR OUR COMMUNITY; AND THE REGIONAL CENTER WOULD BE 7 IN ANOTHER LOCATION IN OUR CITY. 8 THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE CONCEPTS THAT WE 9 CAME UP WITH AND THE FACTORS WE LOOKED AT IN DETERMINING 10 THE ISSUE OF A REGIONAL CENTER FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I'D 11 BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 12 THANK YOU. 13 MR. MAYOR: THANKS, MR. SCERANKA. 14 AT THIS TIME, PERHAPS, IT MIGHT BE APPRO- 15 PRIATE TO HEAR FROM EITHER OF THE PROPONENTS. WHICH OF 16 YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEAD OFF TONIGHT? 17 MR. LEWIS: WE WERE FIRST LAST NIGHT AND WOULD 18 DEFER. 19 MR. MAYOR: PERHAPS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM 20 LYON COMPANY WOULD LIKE TO. 21 MR. FRYE: MY NAME IS GARY FRYE. I REPRESENT 22 THE WILLIAM LYON COMPANY, THE PROPONENTS FOR THE VICTORIA 23 PLAN. 24 I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN TONIGHT BY VERY 25 BRIEFLY GOING OVER SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT WE FEEL ARE 26 CENTRAL TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND HOW WE FEEL 14 1 THOSE TIE IN WITH WHAT THE CITY GOALS ARE AND, ALSO, HOW 2 ALL THAT, THEN, TIES INTO THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS. WHEN 3 WE CONCEIVED VICTORIA, THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS WE 4 TRIED TO LOOK AT THE REGIONAL SETTING IN THE VALLEY. WE 5 LOOKED AT THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, CHIEFLY $ NOTED BY INTERSTATE 10, INTERSTATE 15. WE CONSIDERED THE 7 FACT THAT THE INDUSTRIAL BLOCK FOR THE COMMUNITY WILL BE B ALONG INTERSTATE 10 AND A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF EFFORT 9 HAS ALREADY GONE TO PLAN THAT INDUSTRIAL AREA OF THE CITY. 10 SO FOR OPENERS, IN ORIENTING TO THE EAST END OF CUCAMONGA, 11 SPECIFICALLY VICTORIA, WE PELT THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF 12 THOSE REGIONAL THINGS THAT WE HAD TO CONSIDER IN COMING UP 13 WITH A PLAN THAT HAD TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON THE CITY; AND 14 WHATEVER USES WE WOULD RECOMMEND HAD TO BE RESPONSIVE TO 15 THOSE MAJOR REGIONAL FACILITIES ALREADY IN PLACE. I THINK 16 AN ADDITIONAL REGIONAL FACILITY THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN 17 MIND IS THE FOOTHILL CORRIDOR, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT 18 TO CALL IT THE FOOTHILL FREEWAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL 19 IT, BUT I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE 20 A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION FACILITY IN THE AREA. 21 AFTER CONSIDERING THOSE, SECONDLY WE 22 LOOKED AT LOCAL CONDITIONS AND TRIED TO BE SENSITIVE TO 23 THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. WE CONSIDERED THE FACT OF THE EXISTIN 24 MAJOR EAST-WEST AND NORTH-SOUTH STREET SYSTEM AND HOW THAT 25 MIGHT DIRECT OUR PLANNING EFFORTS IN LOOKING AT THE 26 VICTORIA AREA. WE CONSIDERED THE CHARACTER OF ETIWANDA 15 1 AND FELT THAT WAS EXTREMELY VALUABLE AND FELT THAT THE 2 COMMUNITY WANTED TO RETAIN THE ETIWANDA CHARACTER AND 3 IDENTITY AS WELL AS THE CHARACTER AND IDENTITY OF ALTA 4 LOMA AND EXISTING CUCAMONGA, NEITHER OF WHICH WE FELT WE 5 HAD NEAR THE IMPACTION UPON AS ETIWANDA. 6 WE CONSIDERED OUR DIRECT FREEWAY ORIENTA- 7 TION RELATIVE TO THE DEVORE. WE CONSIDERED THE FLOOD 8 CONTROL IMPLICATIONS OF DEER.CREEK, DAY CREEK, THE EDISON 9 CORRIDORS MOVING IN A NORTH-SOUTH DIRECTION THROUGH THE ' ' 10 VICTORIA SITE. WE KNEW THAT THE CITY'S INTENTION AND 11 DESIRE WAS TO HAVE A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER SOMEWHAT IN 12 CUCAMONGA. AT THE TIME WE INITIALLY WERE INVOLVED, THERE 13 WERE THREE ALTERNATIVES WHICH YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF. ONE 14 OF THOSE, NATURALLY, WAS ON OUR PROPERTY. WE FELT THAT 1S HAD A LOT OF MERIT AND FELT THAT THAT SHOULD BE AN INTEGRAL 16 PART OF THE PLAN THAT WE WOULD COME UP WITH. 17 OUR NEXT STEP, THEN, WAS TO BEGIN TO WORK 18 WITH THESE FACTORS TO BUILD A PLAN AROUND THEM WITHIN 19 THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WE FELT THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO 20 ACHIEVE. WE FELT THE KEY IN THAT WAS THAT, IF WE WERE 21 GOING TO DEVELOP A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER OPPORTUNITY 22 FOR THE CITY THAT WOULD BE THE, STRONGEST REGIONAL SHOPPING 23 CENTER ALTERNATIVE TO THE DEPARTMENT STORES WHO WOULD BE 24 LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE SITES IN THE VALLEY, WE HAD TO 25 MAXIMIZE TH~ STRENGTH OF THE DEVORE FREEWAY AND ACCESSI- 26 BILITY AND VISIBILITY THAT WOULD OFFER TO A REGIONAL 16 1 CENTER; YET, AT THE SAME TIME, WE FELT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY 2 ESSENTIAL TO PRESERVE ET[WANDA AND ITS CHARACTER, TO KEEP 3 THAT TRAFFIC OUT OF THE SURROUNDING CITY AS MUCH AS 4 POSSIBLE. SO, THAT WAS SOME OF THE MAJOR CONSTRAINTS AND 5 GOALS WE WANTED TO DEAL WITH, AND WE FELT THE COMMUNITY 6 WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH. 7 WE BELIEVE THE VICTORIA PLAN ACCOMPLISHES 8 ALL THOSE OBJECTIVES. WE LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF BUILDING 9 BLOCKS, MAJOR VILLAGES. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CONS~ ERED 10 EACH VILLAGE SOMEWHAT INDEPENDENTLY. WE FELT WE NE~ED 11 A GREENBELT TIE BETWEEN EACH OF THE SUPER BLOCKS IN THE 12 COMMUNITY, A TIE THAT WOULD GO SOMEWHERE, AND THAT WOULD 13 BE TO THE REGIONAL. WE FELT THAT A LAKE CONCEPT WOULD BE 14 AN EXTREMELY POWERFUL POSITIVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND WOULD 15 REPRESENT A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR A REGIONAL SHOPPING 16 CENTER TO HAVE A WATER ORIENTATION. OUR CONCEPT IS BUILT 17 AROUND THE FACT THAT THE AEGIONAL, WHILE IT IS REGIONAL 18 AND FUNCTIONS IN A REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE, ALSO OPENS ITS 19 ARMS TO THE COMMUNITY TO INTERFACE DIRECTLY WITH THE 20 COMMUNITY AND NOT TO BE IN CONFLICT OR ISOLATED, BUT 21 RATHER TO OFFER THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY THE ABILITY 22 TO DIRECTLY WALK BY, CYCLE INTO THE REGIONAL. SO, OUR 23 DESIRE WAS NOT TO IMPACT THE COMMUNITY AND YET TO PROVIDE 24 THE COMMUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY, IN ESSENCE A BONUS WITH THE 25 REGIONAL. 26 I WOULD LIKE TO LIST OR JUST GO OVER, 17 1 BRIEFLY, HOW I FEEL OUR PROPOSAL TIES IN WITH THE GOALS AND 2 OBJECTIVES OF THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE COMMUNITY. WE FEEL 3 THAT THE SITE AS PROPOSED, THAT THE DEVORE FREEWAY 4 REPRESENTS THE BEST REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER LOCATION FOR 5 RANCHO CUCAMONGA. WE FEEL IT'S THE ONLY SITE IN RANCHO 6 CUCAMONGA THAT HAS A TRULY REGIONAL LOCATION. CHIEFLY 7 BECAUSE IT'S A REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AND NOT AN 8 INTERNAL CITY STREET SYSTEM. SO, GOAL ONE OF THE GOALS OF 9 THE COMMUNITY WAS TO ATTRACT A REGIONAL CENTER. WE FEEL 10 WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT. 11 ANOTHER MAJOR GOAL OF THE COMMUNITY WAS TO 12 HAVE A REGIONAL AND YET NOT HAVE THAT IMPACT THE CITY 13 CIRCULATION SYSTEM. WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT BY BEING 14 ON THE DEVORE FREEWAY. WE HAVE EXPLAINED HOW WE CAN 15 REDESIGN THE ON AND OFF RAMPS OF FOOTHILL BOULEVARD SUCH 16 THAT THE INGRESS AND EGRESS IN AND OUT OF THE REGIONAL 17 WILL BE BASICALLY IN THE REGIONAL SYSTEM AND NOT ON THE 18 CITY'S STREET SYSTEM. 19 WE ARE AWARE ANOTHER MAJOR GENERAL PLAN GOA 20 IS TO PROVIDE FOR MASS TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE 21 CITY. WE FEEL THAT ESSENTIAL TO THAT GOAL IS THAT MASS 22 TRANSIT BE ORIENTED NOT ONLY COMMUNITYWISE, BUT ALSO IN 23 A REGIONAL CONTEXT. TO BE OPTIMIZED IN A REGIONAL PERSPEC- 24 TIVE, IT NEEDS TO BE A REGIONAL SYSTEM. THEREFORE BEING 25 ON THE DEVORE FREEWAY GIVES THIS REGIONAL A MUCH STRONGER 26 POTENTIAL FOR REGIONAL MASS TRANSIT THAN ON A SITE INTERNAL 18 1 TO THE CITY WOULD. 2 AS I MENTIONED, WE FEEL THIS PROPOSAL OR 3 THIS LOCATION PRESERVES THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING ETIWANDA 4 YET, AS I MENTIONED, WITH OUR PROPOSAL TO IMPLEMENT A 5 NEW MAJOR NORTH-SOUTH ARTERY CALLED DAY CREEK PARKWAY, 6 IT WOULD COMPLETELY ELIMINATE -- I SHOULDN'T SAY COMPLETEL' 7 ELIMINATE -- BUT IT WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE TRAFFIC 8 IMPACTION ON ETIWANDA AVENUE. AND WE ARE CONFIDENT WE 9 COULD PREVENT ETIWANDA AVENUE FROM HAVING TO BE CHANGED. 10 THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT IS COMPLEMENTED If THE FOOTHILL 11 FREEWAY WERE TO HAPPEN IN THAT WE WOULD HAVE A DIR~:CT TIE 12 AT THE FOOTHILL FREEWAY DIRECTLY TO THE REGIONAL, WHICH 13 WOULD IN TURN BE TIED DIRECTLY TO FOOTHILL BOULEVARD AT 14 THE INTERCHANGE. THIS PARKWAY WOULD BE DESIGNED TO HANDLE 15 THIS TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE GOING TO AND FROM THE REGIONAL; 16 BUT, AS I MENTIONED, IT WOULD PRESERVE ETIWANDA FROM BEING 17 IMPACTED. 18 WE THINK THAT WITH THE REGIONAL AT THE 19 DEVORE FREEWAY, THAT THIS SITE, BY LOCATING THE REGIONAL 20 THERE, PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF RANCHO 21 CUCAMONGA TO COME UP WITH A STRONG COMMUNITY CENTER FOCUS 22 IN THE CENTER. OF TOWN, SPECIFICALLY FOOTHILL AND HAVEN. 23 IT'S OUR BELIEF THAT BY NOT MIXING CITY HALL WITH THE 24 REGIONAL THAT YOU CA;~ DEVELOP THE STRONG COMMUNITY CENTRAL 25 FOCUS THAT YOU ARE AFTER. WE THINK THAT THERE'S A NUMBER 26 OF WAYS THAT CAN ~E DONE, BUT WE WOULD PERCEIVE THE 19 1 POSSIBILITY OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, INCLUDING CITY HALL, 2 PERHAPS A COMMUNITY HOSPITAL, PERHAPS A THEMATIC TYPE OF 3 SHOPPING CENTER THAT COULD DRAW ON THE HISTORY OF THE 4 COMMUNITY, SOME LOCAL CULTURAL FACILITIES. WE THINK ALL 5 THOSE KINDS OF THINGS REPRESENT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, 6 AND WE THINK THAT'S THE PERFECT SITE FOR THOSE KINDS OF 7 USES. 8 ADDITIONALLY, WE FEEL THAT THERE COULD BE 9 A POTENTIAL TO TIE THAT COMMUNITY LOCATION INTO THE 10 COMMUNITY THROUGH THE USE OF DEER CREEK, WHICH WE THINK 11 WOULD ORIENT VERY WELL TO THAT CORNER. AS YOU KNOW, THAT 12 WOULD BE A MAJOR NORTH-SOUTH EQUESTRIAN AND BICYCLE AS 13 WELL AS PEDESTRIAN TRAIL. WE ALSO FEEL THAT THE EAST- 14 WEST PACIFIC, THE OLD RED CAR LINE COULD ADDITIONALLY HAVE 15 A TIE-IN TO A MAJOR COMMUNITY CENTER AT FOOTHILL AND 16 HAVEN. SO, WE THINK THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT 17 ORIENT WELL TO THAT SITE. NOT ALL OF THEM DIRECTLY, BUT 18 THE TIES COULD BE MADE THAT OFFER THAT CORNER THE UNIQUE 19 ABILITY TO TIE ALL THREE AREAS OF CUCAMONGA TOGETHER -- 20 ALTA LOMA, CUCAMONGA, AND ETIWANDA. 21 WE THINK THAT THE EXISTENCE OF THE WINERY 22 ON THE OTHER CORNER WOULD ALSO PROVIDE AN EXCELLENT 23 BACKDROP FOR A CIVIC CENTER COMPLEX. PERSONALLY, I FEEL 24 THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST ATTRACTIVE STRUCTURES IN THE VALLEY 25 I JUST THINK THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. 28 ANOTHER KEY ~OINT THAT WE FEEL NEEDS TO 2O 1 BE CONSIDERED IS THAT LOCATING THE REGIONAL AT THE DEVORE 2 FREEWAY WILL INSURE THAT THE INDUSTRIAL AREA AND ACCESS 3 TO THE INDUSTRIAL AREA WILL NOT BE IMPACTED BY REGIONAL 4 SHOPPING CENTER TRAFFIC. BASICALLY, THE INDUSTRIAL AREA, $ AS WE SEE IT, WILL BE SERVICED BY 1-10; THE REGIONAL 6 SHOPPING CENTER BY 1-15. THAT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE FOR ? THE REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER AT FOOTHILL AND HAVEN. 6 WE THINK THAT HAVING THE REGIONAL AT THE 9 DEVORE FREEWAY ALSO OFFERS THE CITY A LOT OF BENEFITS FOR 10 MASS TRANSIT. WITH A REGIONAL FOCUS AT THE DEVORE AND 11 FOOTHILL AND WITH THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AT FOOTHILL AND 12 HAVEN WITH THE INDUSTRIAL SOUTH OF THAT AND CHAFFEY 13 COLLEGE DIRECTLY NORTH ON HAVEN, WE FEEL THAT THE SYSTEM 14 WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT SEDWAY-COOKE HAS BEEN TALKING 15 ABOUT COULD HAVE MUCH STRONGER VIABILITY THAN IF YOUR ONLY 16 FOCUS WAS AT FOOTHILL AND HAVEN. AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, 17 YOU NEED DESIGNATION POINTS. THAT WOULD GIVE STRONG 18 DESIGNATION POINTS IN A LOOP THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE 19 ALSO FEEL, IN TERMS OF MASS TRANSIT CONSIDERATIONS, THAT 20 WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT THE ACCESS, AS I MENTIONED, OF 21 THE REGIONAL TO THE DEVORE FREEWAY AND THE FACT THAT THAT IS A MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM ALREADY IN PLACE. SO WE FEEL 23 THAT THE REGIONAL BEING LOCATED THERE TAKES ADVANTAGE OF 24 THAT. 25 ANOTHER POINT WE FEEL IS IMPORTANT IN 26 YOUR DECISION AS TO THE LOCATIOFI ON THE GENERAL PLAN LEVEL 21 1 IS, WE THINK THERE'S A SENSE OF SCALE THAT NEEDS TO BE 2 CONSIDERED. WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THE SCALE OF A REGIONAL 3 FACILITY IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMMUNITY MIGHT BE TOO HEAVY. 4 WE THINK THAT THE SCALE OF A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER B WOULD BE PROPER ADJACENT TO A REGIONAL FACILITY. 6 ANOTHER POINT THAT WE HAVEN'~ DISCUSSED 7 BUT I THINK IS A VERY KEY POINT FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER 8 IN YOUR DECISION ON A REGIONAL LOCATION IS NOT ONLY WHERE 9 THE REGIONAL ITSELF GOES, BUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AROUNC 10 THE REGIONAL AND WHAT IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE ON THE CITY. 11 IF YOU CONSIDER THE VICTORIA PROPOSAL BEHIND YOU, WHAT 12 WE HAVE DONE IS, YOU'LL NOTICE AROUND THE RED REGIONAL 13 THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF ORANGE. THE RR DESIGNATION 14 STANDS FOR REGIONAL RELATED. NOW, WE HAVE STUDIED REGIONAL 15 CEF!TERS ALL OVER SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. OF PARTICULAR 16 INTEREST WOULD BE SOUTHCOAST PLAZA. NOW, WHAT STRIKES ME 17 ABOUT SOUTHCOAST PLAZA IS THAT I'VE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF 18 PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO SHOP IN SOUTHCOAST PLAZA. THE 19 REASON THEY SHOP IN SOUTHCOAST PLAZA IS THAT HAS SUCH 20 TREMENDOUS COMMERCIAL POWER AND SUPPLY THAT YOU CAN GO 21 THERE AND LITERALLY HAVE YOUR CHOICE OF EVERY STORE, I 22 THINK, THAT PRACTICALLY MARKETS IN CALIFORNIA. I THINK 23 A KEY FOR THE CITY IS TO SAY A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER 24 CAN REALLY BE A BEGINNING POINT, THAT THERE ARE TREMENDOUS 25 OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT ASSOCIATE WITH THE REGIONAL 26 AROUND SOUTHCOAST PLAZA, AND WE ENVISION IT COULD HAPPEN 22 1 AROUND THIS REGIONAL, WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A 2 REGIONAL CULTURAL ATTRACTION SUCH AS PERFORMING ARTS 3 THEATERS. THESE NEED TO DRAW FROM A VERY LARGE MARKET. 4 THAT REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER WOULD PROVIDE A PERFECT 5 SYNERGISTIC EFFECT FOR THAT KIND OF USE WHICH SOUTHCOAST 6 PLAZA HAS DONE IN ORANGE COUNTY. IT CAN BECOME, NOT ONLY ? THE MAJOR COMMERCIAL ATTRACTION, BUT ALSO THE MAJOR 8 REGIONAL CULTURAL ATTRACTION. WE THINK THAT THE CITY 9 NEEDS TO PROVIDE, AROUND A REGIONAL, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR 10 MAJOR CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, HOME IMPROVEMENTS CEi~TERS, 11 ALL THESE KINDS Of USES WILL BE ATTRACTED BECAUSE THE 12 REGIONAL CENTER IS DRAWING REGIONAL TRAFFIC. SO, IT MAKES 13 SENSE, WHEN YOU ARE DESIGNING A REGIONAL, TO PROVIDE FOR 14 THE MARKET tHAT THAT GENERATES AROUND YOUR REGIONAL AND lS TO DESIGN FOR It. IN LOOKING AT SOUTHCOAST PLAZA, WE 16 THINK THAT A LOT Of THINGS HAPPENED AROUND SOUTHCOAST 17 PLAZA, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER PLANNED FOR HAD THEY 18 KNOWN OR ANTICIPATED THE RESPONSE IN TERMS OF COMPLEMENTARY 19 USES TO THE REGIONAL ITSELF. WE FEEL THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE 20 WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO ALLOW THE CITY OF CUCAMONGA tO CAPI- TALIZE ON FULL MAXIMUM BENEFITS FROM THE REGIONAL CENTER. 22 AGAIN, ALL OF THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE 23 CITY IS STILL NOT IMPACTING THE CITY STREET SYSTEM. IT'S 24 MAINTAINED WITHIN THE REGIONAL CIRCULATION SYSTEM. WHILE 25 ALL THAT IS TRUE, ALSO ANY AND ALL INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD 26 BE USING THAT REGIONAL HAVE A COMMUNITY TIE INTO ALL OF 23 1 THE FACILITIES IN VICTORIA -- THE TRAIL SYSTEMS, THE WATER 2 SO ON AND SO FORTH. WE FEEL IT COULD BE AN EXCELLENT 3 AREA FOR HOTELS, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEKING LEISURE. SO, 4 WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE MAXIMIZED THE POTENTIAL OF THE 5 REGIONAL WITH REGIONAL RELATED. IF THAT IS SOMETHING 6 ATTRACTIVE TO THE CITY AND THAT YOU WANT TO CAPITALIZE ON, 7 WE THINK OUR PLAN WILL MAXIMIZE THAT POTENTIAL. WE THINK 8 THE CUMULATIVE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF A REGIONAL WITH PROPERL 9 SCALED REGIONAL RELATED IS TREMENDOUS AND IS WORTH GOING 10 AFTER. I BELIEVE THE IMPACT OF THE REGIONAL RELATED IS 11 PROBABLY AS SIGNIFICANT FINANCIALLY IN TERMS OF REVENUE 12 FOR THE CITY AS THE REGIONAL ITSELF. SO, THAT'S AN 13 IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR DECISION,~ TOO~ HOW WELL DOES THE 14 AREA AROUND THE REGIONAL ALLOW CAPITALIZING ON THE MARKET 15 THAT THAT WILL GENERATE? 16 ANOTHER CONSIDERATION I THINK IS TIMING. 17 I THINK EVERYONE IS CONCERNED AS TO IF THE CITY CAN CAP- 18 TURE REGIONAL, CAN THE CITY MOVE FAST ENOUGH IF NECESSARY 19 TO ACTUALLY TIE UP AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A REGIONAL CENTER 20 OPPORTUNITY AND GET IT OFF THE GROUND. I THINK AS MOST 21 OF YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FINISHED ALL OF OUR WORK IN PLANNING 22 ON VICTORIA, ~ND WE FEEL THAT WE ARE BASICALLY IN A 23 POSITION TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THE MARKET IMMEDIATELY 24 WITH A FINDING OF THE VICTORIA E.I.R. AND P.C. WE HAVE 25 THE DRAFTS PREPARED AND BELIEVE THAT BY MID-APRIL, WE 26 COULD ACTUALLY BE PREPARED TO FORMALLY MAKE A FINDING OF 24 1 THE E.I.R. AND P.C. 2 A CONSIDERATION THAT HAS COME UP IS HOW 3 ABOUT LOCAL OR COMMUNITY SHOPPING? I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE 4 THAT BOTH THE VICTORIA AND TERRA VISTA PLANS PROVIDE FOR S LOCAL SHOPPING AND FOR LOCAL BUSINESSMEN TO HAVE AN 6 OPPORTUNITY IN THE COMMUNITY. IT WILL BE A FUNCTION OF 7 THE GENERAL PLAN CONSULTANT TO INSURE THAT THE RIGHT SIZE 8 AND M[X Of LOCAL COMMERCIAL WILL 8E PROVIDED IN BOTH PLANS, 9 WHICH WE UNDERSTAND THEY ALREADY HAVE BASICALLY DO~E THAT 10 AND HAVE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS READY. SO, I'D LIKE TO 11 EMPHASIZE THAT THE LOCAL SHOPPING WILL BE PROVIDED IN 12 LOCAL SHOPPING CENTERS. IN ESSENCE, THEN, THE REASONABLE 13 NATURAL CENTER, IF IT MATERIALIZES, IN THIS CITY WOULD 14 BE A BONUS FOR THE RESIDENTS. 15 I TtiINK ONE OTHER POINT THAT HAS OCCURRED 16 TO ME THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED BUT I THINK NEEDS TO 17 BE IS Tile FOOTHILL CORRIDOR. I BELIEVE THAT IT'S VERY 18 SIGNIFICANT THAT THE CITY CONSIDER WHERE A REGIONAL CENTER 19 SHOULD BE IF THE FOOTHILL FREEWAY WERE A REALITY. I DO 20 NOT BELIEVE THAT THE LOCATION OF A REGIONAL SHOPPING 21 CENTER AT THE CORNER OF FOOTHILL AND HAVEN WOULD TAKE 22 ADVANTAGE OF THE FOOT~ILL FREEWAY. I THINK THAT THAT 23 WOULD STILL ALLOW FOR THE STREETS TO BE IMPACTED INTERNALLY 24 WITH TRAFFIC, WHEREAS A REGIONAL ON THE DEVORE WOULD BE 25 ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FOOTHILL FREEWAY IN THAT MOST 26 OF THE TRAFFIC IN THE WEST OR [~ORTHWEST WOULD PROBABLY 25 1 CHOOSE THE FOOTHILL FREEWAY AS THE FASTEST ROUTE TO THE 2 REGIONAL ON THE DEVORE BY GOING OUT THE FOOTHILL AND DOWN 3 1-15. I THINK THAT'S AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION 4 IN YOUR DECISION THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF S THE FOOTHILL FREEWAY IF IT HAPPENS. BY LOCATING THE 6 REGIONAL ON THE DEVORE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND 7 MINIMIZE EVEN FURTHER THE IMPACTION OF THE REGIONAL ON 8 YOUR CITY STREET SYSTEM. 9 THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. ARE THERE ANY 10 QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER? 11 THANK YOU. 12 MR. MAYOR: THANK YOU, MR. FRYE. 13 MR. BERINI: IF I MAY. STEVE BERINI, VICE- 14 PRESIDENT OF ERNEST W. HAHN. 15 WHILE THE THREE YEARS OF YOUR PLANNING IS 16 FINALLY COMING TO A HEAD TONIGHT, ALMOST TWO AND A HALF 17 YEARS OF PLANNING FOR HAHN COMPANY FOR THE LOCATION OF 18 THE REGIONAL CENTER IN THIS GENERAL AREA IS COMING TO A 19 HEAD. OUR PLANNING WAS NOT TO LIMIT IN SCOPE IN THE SENSE 20 WE DO NOT LIMIT OUR BOUNDARIES TO RANCHO CUCAMONGA FOR THE 21 SITE OF THE REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER, BUT OVER TWO AND 22 A HALF YEARS ~GO, WE SAW THIS AREA AS A REGIONAL MARKET 23 TO LOCATE A REGIONAL CENTER IN. OUR COMPANY IS OWNED AND 24 OPERATED AND STILL MANAGES THE TYLER MALL AND MONTCLA[R 26 PLAZA, AND WE RECOGNIZED THAT YEARS AGO THAT THIS WOULD 26 BE A VIABLE MARKET FOR ANOTHER REGIONAL-TYPE CENTER. SO, 26 1 THE FIRST THING TO DO AS FAR AS WE WERE CONCERNED IS TO 2 ANALYZE THE MARKET. AND WE HAVE FINALLY GRAVITATED TO 3 THE POMONA FREEWAY TO THE SAN BERNARDINO FREEWAY, UP TO 4 DEVORE FREEWAY AND DECIDED IN OUR BEST INTEREST WITHOUT 5 TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ANYONE ELSE'S BEST INTEREST 6 THAT THE FOOTHILL AND 1-15 SITE WAS A DESIROUS SITE FOR ? A REGIONAL-TYPE SHOPPING CENTER. $ THE NEXT STEP WE DID WAS TO POLL THE STORE! 9 WHO, OF COURSE, ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF ANY REGIONAL 10 SHOPPING CENTER. YOU CANNOT, NO MATTER HOW YOU PLAN, NO 11 MATTER HOW YOU DESIRE TO PLAN, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE 12 SUPPORT OF THOSE STORES, IT WILL NEVER COME TO FRUITION. 13 WE THINK OUR PLANS AND OUR SITE LOCATION HAS DEVELOPED TO 14 THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE COMMITMENTS FROM FOUR MAJOR STORES 15 YOU MAY CONSIDER THAT TO BE OUT OF THE REALM OF THE 18 PLANNING STAGE, BUT IT DOES HAVE SOME RELEVANCE IN THE 17 SENSE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN DOING THIS BUSINESS, 18 NAMELY THE DEVELOPER AND SHOPPING CENTER MAdOR DEPARTMENT STORES, HAVE SOME ANALYSIS OF WHAT PLANNING IS ALL ABOUT 20 AND WHERE THEIR REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER SHOULD BE LOCATED 21 AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE BROADWAY AND MAY COMPANY ARE 22 OUR PARTNERS. WALKER SCOTT, AS A DEPARTMENT STORE, HAS 23 SIGNED A~ AGREEMENT TO COME IN OUR STORE, AND WE HAVE A 24 LETTER FROM BUFFUM~ WANTING TO COME IN THE CENTER. 25 WHAT'S IMPORTANT FROM THE ASPECT OF WHY 26 THE LOCATION ON THE FREEWAY, AND WE STRESSED IN THE LAST 27 1 THREE DAYS, IN THE LAST YEAR, IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THE 2 IMPORTANCE OF THE FREEWAY LOCATION, I THINK WE HAVE TO 3 UHDERSTAND THE MIX IN A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER. AND 4 REGIO~AL HAS A VERY IMPORTANT RING TO IT. WE ARE TALKING 5 ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF PEOPLE HERE. WE ARE 6 TALKING ABOUT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY WHEREIN MOST OF YOUR 7 PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SHOP AT THE REGIONAL CENTER, THE 8 MOST FREQUENCY OF TRIPS ARE GOING TO OCCUR MAYBE THREE 9 TO FIVE MILES. I THINK THAT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED NOT 10 ONLY BY OUR CONSULTANT, BUT BY ANY CONSULTANT. THERE IS 11 ANOTHER PORTION OF THAT 40 PERCENT THAT IS GOING TO COME 12 FROM FIVE, 10 TO 20 MILES OR EVEN 30 MILES AWAY. NOW, 13 THE IMPACT OF THESE PEOPLE ON CITY STREETS IS OF UTMOST 14 CONCERN, NOT ONLY TO THE CITY AS IT SHOULD BE, BUT ALSO 15 TO THE DEVELOPER AND OWNER OF THE SHOPPING CENTER AREA 16 AND ALL THE RELATED FACILITIES, BECAUSE T;ffE EASE OF 17 ACCESS OF THOSE PEOPLE TO THE SHOPPING CENTER OBVIOUSLY 18 MAKES IT MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR THEM TO COME AND COME AGAIN. 19 OBVIOUSLY, THAT MAKES THE CENTER MORE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE 20 IT BRINGS THE PEOPLE THERE MORE AND MORE, AND OBVIOUSLY 21 THEY BUY MORE. BUT THAT WAS JUST THE ECONOMIC CONSIDERA- 22 TIONS OF IT, .WHY IT SHOULD GO AT FOOTHILL AND 1-15. 23 THEN, AFTER THAT WE LOOKED AT A SITE, AND 24 LOOKING AT A SITE WITH THE LYON COMPANY, WE HAD A GOLDEN 25 OPPORTUNITY, NOT ONLY TO SIT A REGIONAL-TYPE SHOPPING 26 CENTER THAT WOULD JUST TURN OUT THE CASH REGISTER, BUT 28 1 WE HAD THE ABILITY TO INCORPORATE THE NEW IDEAS WHICH WE 2 THINK ARE VERY INNOVATIVE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER INDUSTRY 3 IN THAT WE ARE USING MIXTURES OF FACILITIES IN OUR CENTERS 4 WHERE WE HAVE A HUNDRED. ACRES DESIGNATED FOR A REGIONAL 5 CENTER, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 200 ACRES THAT IS ALSO 6 REGIONAL-RELATED FACILITIES. BUT NOT ONLY THAT, WE ALSO 7 HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE THE SOCIAL AMENITIES THAT WOULD 8 BE OF BENEFIT NOT ONLY TO THE RANCHO CUCAMONGA COM~,IUNITY 9 BUT ALSO TO THE RESIDENTS OF VICTORIA. OUR USE OF THE 10 ICE SKATING RINK, OF THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES, OF 11 DAY CARE FACILITIES, ALL TYING INTO THE COMMUNITY ABOVE 12 US WITH A TIE-IN OF A LAKE AND RESTAURANTS AND EVERYTHING 13 ELSE, WE THINK PROVIDES A DAY-ONE STEP THAT, UNFORTUNATELY 14 MANY OF THE COMMUNITIES OR MANY OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE 15 BEING DEVELOPED TODAY DO NOT HAVE THE LUXURY OF HAVI~IG 16 BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO FIHD A HUNDRED-ACRE PARCEL OR 17 200-ACRE PARCEL THAT HAS A LAND USE PLAN YET TO BE 18 DESIGNATED FOR IT. AND WE ARE dUST HAPPY TO BE ON THE 19 FRONT END OF IT. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE PLANS, AND WE 20 REALLY HOPE THAT YOU ENVISION IT THE SAME WAY WE DO. 21 WE WILL BE, OF COURSE, AVAILABLE TO ANSWER 22 QUESTIONS ALL. NIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? 23 MR. MAYOR: THANK YOU, MR. BERINI. 24 MR. FRYE, DO YOU HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT 25 WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE YOUR PARTICULAR AREA? 26 MR. FRYE: NO. 29 1 MR. MAYOR: PERHAPS, THEN, A REPRESENTATIVE OF 2 LEWIS COMPANY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A PRESENTATION. IT LOOKS $ LIKE WE ARE WORKING 0~ ABOUT 29 TO 30 MINUTES, IF YOU 4 WANT THAT LONG. S MR. LEWIS: I'M RALPH LEWIS OF LEWIS HOMES, 6 AND WE ARE THE OWNERS OF THE TERRA VISTA SITE, 1300 ACRES ? STARTING AT FOOTHILL AND HAVEN. AS PARTNERS WITH US IN B WHAT WE HOPE WILL BE A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER SITE, A 9 HUNDRED ACRES RIGHT AT THE CORNER, WOULD BE THE HOMART 10 COMPANY, WHICH IS THE SHOPPING CENTER DEVELOPMENT SUBSIDIAR 11 OF SEARS. SEARS, AS YOU KNOW, IS THE LARGEST RETAIL CHAIN 12 IN THE WHOLE WORLD. SO, WE FEEL WE HAVE A PRETTY SUB- 13 STANTIAL AND KNOWLEDGEABLE PARTNER. 14 BEFORE I GET INTO nY NOTES, I WOULD LIKE 15 TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT'S BEEN SAID BY THE PRIOR 18 SPEAKERS. JEFF AND HIS CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I 17 THINK, HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, AND WE ARE BENEFITED BY 18 THEIR DISCUSSIONS. HOWEVER, HE MENTIONED THAT AN EMPHASIS 19 ON RURAL CONCEPT AND THE COMMITTEE FEELS THAT FOOTHILL AND 20 HAVEN SHOULD FOLLOW THE RURAL CONCEPT. THIS WAS DISCUSSION 21 HAD LAST NIGHT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND ONE OF THE 22 PLANHI~G COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONED THE RURAL CONCEPT. THIS 23 WAS A RURAL AREA, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MOVED 24 HERE BECAUSE IT WAS RURAL. BUT IT'S HARD TO RECONCILE 25 THAT NOW WITH HAVING 5,000 INDUSTRIAL ACRES BELOW FOOTNILL 26 AND ALL OF THE EXTENSIVE OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL, PROFESSIONA 3O I DEVELOPMENT THAT DAON IS PROPOSING, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. 2 FOR EXAMPLE, WE TALKED TO A MAJOR BANK TODAY SAYING THAT 3 ONE OF OUR FIRST STEPS WILL BE TO PUT AN OFFICE BUILDING 4 RIGHT NEAR FOOTHILL AND HAVEN AND SUGGESTING, IF THE BANK $ PAID ENOUGH IN SPACE, WE'D CALL IT THE SO AND SO BANK 6 BUILDING. BUT IT WOULD BE A HIGH-RISE BUILDING AND THE 7 THEME IS NOT GOING TO BE RURAL ANYMORE. IF YOU WANT TO 8 KEEP IT RURAL, LET'S KEEP GROWING GRAPES HERE, BUT YOU 9 ARE INVITING LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND EMPLOYEES INTO THIS 10 NEW AREA, AND IT'S GOING TO CHANGE RAPIDLY. 11 WE DIDN'T FEEL WE LOST LAST NIGHT IN A 12 WAY. WE ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION 13 TO THE CONSULTANT THAT THE REGIONAL GO ON OUR LAND, AND THE 14 SAID, NO, WE RECOMMEND IT GO ON THE HAHN SITE. BUT WE, 15 MEANING THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RECOMMEND THAT THE MAJOR 16 COMMUNITY CENTER BE SHOWN ON OUR SITE. AND BY COMMUNITY, 17 I THINK THEY MEANT THAT IN THE SENSE OF A COMMUNITY 18 SHOPPING CENTER, NOT A COMMUNITY CENTER WHERE WE HAVE ALL 19 THE CULTURAL ACTIVITIES AND SO ON THAT MR. FRYE GRACIOUSLY 20 IS GOING TO GIVE TO US. I HAD A FEELING THAT ALL THE 21 GRAVY GOES DOWN TO THE OTHER END AND WE GET ALL THE NON- 22 REVENUE PRODUCERS. BUT WE STILL THINK, NOTWITHSTANDING 23 WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID, THAT THE REGIONAL DOES 24 BELONG IN OUR CORNER, AND I'LL TRY TO ELABORATE ON IT. 25 THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS WITH TItE HAHN SITE. 26 NOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M TALKING MORE ABOUT WHAT'S WRONG 31 1 WITH THEIR SITE AND WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT THEIR SITE, BUT YOU 2 ALL HAVE HEARD OUR PRESENTATIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT 3 OUR SITE, HOMART, SLIDES AND THE RECORD OF THEIR EXPERTISE 4 THE CITY IS VERY ANXIOUS TO HAVE A REGIONAL CENTER. WE 5 WANT IT. THEY WANT IT. THE CITY WANTS IT. YOU NEED THE 8 CONVENIENCE OF THE SHOPPING AND YOU NEED THE IMPORTANT 7 SALES TAX REVENUE. SO, THERE'S NO ARGUMENT OVER EVERYBODY 8 WANTING A REGIONAL CENTER. WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU RECOMMEND 9 THAT ZONING AND LATER YOU ACTUALLY ZONE THE CORNERS AND 10 DESIGNATE THE REGIONAL TO BE ON THE HAHN SITE? THEN WE 11 ARE GOING TO DEVELOP SOME OTHER THINGS ON OUR CORNER. 12 WE WON'T JUST SIT AND GROW GRAPES ON IT. 13 SUPPOSE, THEN -- AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS 14 A REAL UNLIKELY THING; I THINK IT'S A REAL POSSIBILITY --- 15 SUPPOSE, THEN, THAT THE HAHN GROUP CAN'T GO AHEAD? THEN 18 YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY CENTER. THERE ARE PEOPLE 17 PLANNING NEARBY CENTERS, LIKE THERE'S A GROUP THAT WOULD 18 LIKE TO BUY THE RAC~,TRACK IN ONTARIO AND PUT A REGIONAL 19 CENTER IN THERE. AND IF IT TAKES TOO LONG TO GET IT IN 20 RANCHO CUCAMONGA, IT WILL BE THERE. THEN WE ALL AGREE 21 THAT THERE'S ONLY ROOM RIGHT NOW IN THIS VALLEY FOR ONE REGIONAL. TEN, 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THERE WOULD BE 23 ROOM FOR MORE. 24 NOW, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE'S A 25 FLOOD PROBLEM AT THE HAHN SITE. NOT THAT THE SITE ITSELF 28 IS IN DANGER OF BEING WASHED AWAY. THEY CAN GUARD AGAINST 32 1 THAT WITH GRADING AND WALLS AND SO ON. BUT THE PROBLEM IS 2 WILL THAT 300 ACRES THEY JUST MENTIONED -- A HUNDRED 3 ACRES OF REGIONAL ITSELF AND 200 ACRES OF REGIONAL RELATED, 4 THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF BLACKTOP AND ROOFTOP. NONE OF THAT 5 WATER PERCOLATES DOWN. SOME COULD GO INTO THE LAKE SYSTEM, 6 BUT EVENTUALLY IT ALL GOES INTO DAY CREEK. AND WE HEARD 7 THE OTHER NIGHT, WELL, THEY TALKED TO THE COUNTY AND 8 DISCUSSED THE FLOOD PROBLEM AND IT'S NOT THERE. I HOPE 9 THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER THIS TONIGHT AND CHECK AND ASK YOUR 10 STAFF, BUT WE CALLED THE COUNTY FLOOD ENGINEER AND, 3KED 11 IS THERE A SOLUTION FOR THE DAY CREEK -- IS THERE A PLACE 12 FOR THE WATER TO GO; AND HE SAID, GOSH, NO. IT'S A 13 TERRIBLE PROBLEM. AND WE ASKED BILL MANN, WHO USED TO BE 14 THE COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL ENGINEER, AS A CONSULTANT, SAID 15 WHAT ABOUT IT? WHERE WILL THE WATER GO? INTO DAY CREEK? 16 AND HE SAYS IT'S A PROBLEM. WHEREVER THERE'S HEAVY RAIN, 17 IT FLOODS DOWNSTREAM. HE SAID IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. 18 NOW, BY CONTRAST, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOOD 19 TO HAVE A SHOPPING CENTER NEAR DEER CREEK BECAUSE THE 20 WATER GOES SOMEWHERE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. DEER 21 CREEK IS BEING IMPROVED, AND ANY WATER GOES RIGHT DOWN 22 TO WHERE IT'S.SUPPOSED TO BE AT PRADO DAM. BUT INCREASE 23 THE RUNOFF INTO DAY CREEK AND YOU CREATE GREAT PROBLEMS. 24 SO, I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE HAHN CENTER CAN'T BE 25 BUILT TILL THAT'S SOLVED. 26 NOW, O~E WAY THOSE PROBLEMS GET SOLVED IS 33 1 FOR T?~E DEVELOPERS JUST TO DIG IN THEIR POCKET AND PAY FOR 2 IT. BUT I GOT A GUESS OF SOMETHING LIKE 20 MILLION TO DO 3 IT, MAYBE MORE, AND THAT'S A LOT FOR THE DEVELOPER TO KICK 4 IN. NOW, IF THEY HAVE THE MONEY, FINE; BUT IT'S VERY 5 UNLIKELY. 6 I'M SURE YOU READ THE PAPERS OR YOU'VE 7 BEEN BACK TO WASHINGTON, AND YOU KNOW THE FEDERAL GOVERN- B MENT IS TRIMMING BUDGETS. THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY 9 ALLOCATION FOR 10 YEARS; SO I THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE 10 TONIGHT,'YOU SHOULD JUST ASK YOUR STAFF WHAT DO YOU FELLOWS 11 THINK? IS THE PROBLEM SOLVABLE OR NOT? NOW, IT'S NOT 12 GOOD JUST TO SAY THEY ARE WORKING ON IT AS PART OF THE 13 E.I.R. AND FIND OUT LATER HOW THEY MITIGATE IT, BECAUSE 14 YOU KNOW THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT A MAKE-BELIEVE 15 PROBLEM LIKE SUPPOSE A METEOR HITS THERE. IT'S A REAL 16 PROBLEM. YOU KNOW WHEN IT RAINS, IT FLOODS. SO I MENTION 17 THAT AS A VERY SERIOUS CONCERN THAT, IF YOU PUT THE ZONING 18 THERE -- AND IT'S NOT A BAD SITE. I COULD SEE A LOT OF 19 REASONS WHY IT'S A GOOD SITE -- BUT WILL YOU BE ABLE TO 20 GET GOING ON IT? 21 NOW, IN THE SAME WAY, THE LYON PEOPLE 22 SAY THEY ARE GOING TO IMPROVE THE EXISTING FREEWAY OFFRAMP 23 TO HELP TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, WHICH IS VERY COMMENDABLE. BUT 24 WE'VE DEALT WITH THE GOVERNMENT, AND YOU PEOPLE HAVE DEALT 25 WITH THE GOVERNMENT, AND THEY HAVE DEALT WITH THE GOVERN- 26 MENT; AND I'M TOLD TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT APPROVED BY 34 1 CAL TRANS AND BY THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, IT TAKES 2 MANY YEARS. YOU DON'T JUST WALK IN AND SAY, "HERE, 3 FELLOWS, IS A PLAN. WILL YOU INITIAL IT AND WE'LL GO?" 4 THEY DIDN'T DESIGN THE INTERSTATE SYSTEM FOR THE BENEFIT 5 OF THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS, SO, THIS IS ONE MORE RISK; 6 AND IF YOU LOSE THE CENTER BECAUSE OF THOSE DELAYS, AGAIN, ? A LOT OF YOUR PLANS GO DOWN THE DRAIN. 8 NOW, A MAJOR ARGUMENT THAT THE HAHN PEOPLE 9 HAVE MADE ABOUT THEIR LOCATION IS THE VISIBILITY. THEY 10 SAY THE STRONGEST REGIONAL CENTERS ARE LOCATED ON ~:qEEWAYS 11 YOU JUST ABOUT HAVE TO BE ON A FREEWAY TO BE ECONOMICALLY 12 SOUND. MR. HAHN SHOWED A BUNCH OF PICTURES OF GOOD SHOPPI] 13 CENTER DEVELOPMENTS THAT HE'S DONE, REGIONALS, AND I'M 14 TOLD THAT HALF OF THE ONES HE'S SHOWED ARE NOT ON FREEWAYS 15 LIKE IN SANTA ANITA THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL FASHION PLAZA, AND 16 IT'S ABOUT A MILE FROM THE 210 FREEWAY AND YOU CAN'T SEE 17 IT AT ALL, NOT A SPECK. 18 I THINK I'M SELLING MY PROJECT; MR. HAHN 19 IS SELLING HIS PROJECT. WHEN OUR SALESPEOPLE SELL OUR 20 HOUSES, THEY STRESS WHAT IS GOOD AND DON'T BRING UP THE 21 BAD POINTS, AND WE TELL THEM DON'T EXAGERATE TO MUCH. 22 BUT IT MAY BE HAHNtS GROUP IS EXAGERATING A LITTLE BIT. 23 IF THEY ARE NOT ON A FREEWAY, THEY BUILD A SHOPPING 24 CENTER; IF THEY ARE ON A FREEWAY, THEY SAY, HEY, IT'S 25 GOT TO BE HERE. FASHION ISLAND IN NEWPORT IS A BEAUTIFUL 26 DEVELOPMENT. I UNDERSTAND SOHEBODY IS GOING TO GO LOOK 35 IN ORANGE COUNTY, AND I HOPE YOU LOOK AT THAT SHOPPING 2 CENTER AND ASK WHERE'S THE FREEWAY FROM THERE, HOW MANY MILES? FIVE, SIX? I BRING THESE THINGS UP BECAUSE YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF SWEEPING STATEMENTS ABOUT THE HAHN 5 CENTER. CHECK THEM; EXAMINE THEM; ASK FOR SUBSTANTIATION. MR. HAHN, WHEN HE MADE HIS PRESENTATION, REPEATEDLY SAID HIS CENTER IS GOING TO DRAW SHOPPERS FROM 8 AREAS WEST OF MONTCLAIR. THAT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT I TRIED TO PICTURE WHO IS GOING TO COME FROM WEST OF MONTCLAIR; 10 BECAUSE HIS POINT IS THAT THIS CENTER SHOULD BE A HIGH- 11 FASHION CENTER, GET REAL GOOD STORES THAT CATER TO PEOPLE 12 MAKING ABOVE $25,000. AND THERE AREN'T MANY PEOPLE MAKING 13 THAT MUCH IN MONTCLAIR OR NORTH POMONA OR SOUTH POMONA 14 OR SOUTH CLAREMONT. THOSE ARE LOW-INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS. 15 NOW, I DON'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE BAD PEOPLE, BUT IF THE 16 REASON TO HAVE THE CENTER IS YOU ARE GOING TO DRAW THOSE 17 PEOPLE TO A HIGH-FASHION CENTER, IT JUST AIN'T SO. NOW, 18 FURTHER WEST OF MONTCLAIR WOULD BE COVINA. THESE PEOPLE 19 WILL GO TO EITHER BREA MALL OR BULLOCK'S AND SO ON IN 20 WEST COVINA. 21 WE ALL AGREE THAT TRAFFIC IS IMPORTANT, 22 SAVING ENERGY IS IMPORTANT. WE THINK OUR LOCATION IS 28 WHERE MORE OF TIqE SHOPPERS -- IT'S GOING TO BE MORE CON- 24 VENIENT FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. MR. HAHN REFERS TO A MUCH 25 BIGGER TRADE AREA. THE HOMART PEOPLE HAD A MAP THAT SHOWED A TRADE AREA OF A CERTAIN SIZE, SOME 300,000 36 1 PEOPLE. MR. HAHN SAYS HE'S GOING TO DRAW FROM AN AREA 2 OF ABOUT A MILLION PEOPLE. BUT I THINK THE HIGH-BRACKET 3 PEOPLE THAT MOSTLY WILL SHOP EITHER AT OUR CENTER OR 4 VICTORIA, IF THAT'S WHERE IT IS, ARE GOING TO COME FROM § AREAS LIKE ALTA LOMA AND UPLAND AND CLAREMONT AND MAYBE 6 EVEN AS FAR AS LA VERNE. THERE ARE A LOT OF FAMILIES ? THAT MAKE OVER $25,000 THERE, AND HOW ARE THEY GOING TO B GET TO THE SHOPPING CENTER? IF IT'S AT OUR SITE, THEY 9 ARE GOING TO COME DOWN EITHER 19TH OR BASELINE OR 10 FOOTHILL BOULEVARD. WE LIVE IN UPLAND, 21ST STREET, AND 11 WE STARTED SHOPPING IN RANCHO CUCAMONGA. WE WANT TO HELP 12 OUR OWN LITTLE CENTER OH 19TH STREET. BUT WE COME DOWN 13 THESE EAST-WEST STREETS TO GET TO IT. THAT'S WHERE YOUR 14 PEOPLE FROM ALTA LOMA A~D UPLAND AND CLAREMONT AND SO ON 15 ARE GOING TO COME. NOW, IF THE CENTER IS OVER ON THE 16 FREEWAY, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TRAVEL A COUPLE MILES 17 FARTHER ON SURFACE STREETS. YOU ARE GOING TO FURTHER 18 CLOG BASELINB AND FOOTHILL. NOW, IT WILL WORK EITHER 19 WAY. IF THE CENTER IS O[~ OUR SITE, THERE WILL BE SOME 20 TRAFFIC ON THE SURFACE STREETS COMING FROM FONTANA, 21 RIALTO; BUT THESE HIGH-BRACKET BUYERS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR 22 HIGH-FASHION .STORES, THEY ARE GOING TO COME FROM THE WEST 23 AND NORTH, NOT FROM FONTANA. 24 NOW, SOME OF WHAT I'M SAYING, I THINK, IS 25 BORNE OUT BY A COUPLE OF TRAFFIC STUDIES. AND, AGAIN, 26 J SHOULD CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS, THAT YOU'VE HEARD 37 1 FROM ME AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THESE MATTERS. YOU HEARD 2 FROM MR. HAHN, BUT WE HAVE BROUGHT SOME EXPERTS ALONG, 3 AND THERE WAS TESTIMONY LIKE MONDAY NIGHT FROM INDEPENDENT 4 CONSULTANTS. MOST OF THE HAHN GROUP'S TESTIMONY IS FROM 5 MR. HAHN OR HIS OWN PEOPLE, AND I THINK YOU KNOW I'M 6 BIASED. I THINK YOU KNOW THEY ARE BIASED, AND WORD FROM 7 THE INDEPENDANT CONSULTANT, I THINK, SHOULD CARRY A LITTLE 8 MORE WEIGHT. BUT THERE WERE TWO TRAFFIC STUDIES. I THINK g ONE WAS CALLED THE PRINGLE STUDY. THAT WAS DONE IN CONNEC- 10 TION WITH THE VICTORIA DEVELOPMENT AND DKS IS THE CONSUL- 11 TANT THE CITY USED. PRINGLE ESTIMATED 265,000 DAILY 12 VEHICLE TRIPS FOR THE VICTORIA PLANNED COMMUNITY; AND 13 DKS ESTIMATED 127,000 DAILY TRIPS FOR TERRA VISTA. THERE'~ 14 A DIFFERENCE OF 140,000. THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF TRAFFIC 15 THERE. 16 WE THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF 47 EMPLOYMENT ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR CORNER IN THE DAON 18 PROJECT. WE'RE A LITTLE UNHAPPY IN THAT THE CITY SAYS 19 THERE WiLL BE FOUR MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND 20 WAREHOUSE AND INDUSTRIAL SPACE THERE, BUT THAT DOESN'T 21 MAKE ANY TRAFFIC PROBLEM; BUT IF WE ADD A CENTER AT OUR 22 CENTER, OH, MY GOD, THERE'S A BIG TRAFFIC PROBLEM. I 23 COULD ARGUE WHY NOT FIRST ALLOW OURS AND CUT DAON DOWN. 24 I'M NOT DOING THAT, BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF 25 PEOPLE WORKING AT THE DAON CENTER, AND WE THINK, TO THE 26 EXTENT THAT THE SHOPPING CENTER IS AT OUR SITE AND EATING 38 1 PLACES IN IT AND SO ON, A NUMBER OF THOSE EMPLOYEES WILL 2 BE ABLE TO JUST WALK ACROSS FOOTHILL AND SHOP AND EAT AND 3 SO ON. IF THE FACILITIES ARE DOWN AT THE DEVORE FREEWAY, 4 THEY ARE GOING TO GET IN THEIR CAR AND DRIVE DOWN. SO, 5 IT'S QUITE ARGUABLE THAT YOU CUT TRAFFIC ON FOOTHILL 6 BY PUTTING THE REGIONAL ON OUR SITE. ? I THINK IN THE HAHN REPORT OR THE HAHN 8 CONSULTANT SAID THAT 60 PERCENT OF THEIR TRAFFIC WOULD 9 BE BY SURFACE STREETS AND ONLY 40 BY THE FREEWAY. BEING 10 ON THE FREEWAY DOESN'T SOLVE ALL THESE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. 11 ANOTHER THING THAT CONCERNS US, OUR 12 SHOPPING CENTER PROPOSAL WAS RUN THROUGH YOUR TRAFFIC 13 MODEL, RUN THROUGH THE COMPUTER, WHATEVER IT MEANS. BUT 14 I THINK TILL TODAY, UNLESS THE STAFF CORRECTS ME, YOU 15 STILL HAVEN'T RUN THE HAHN CENTER THROUGH THE TRAFFIC 16 MODEL. SO HOW DO YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC 17 PROBLEMS ARE ON THE HAHN CENTER WITHOUT HAVING THAT 18 INFORMATION, TOO? PERHAPS, IF THE MAYOR PERMITS, I CAN 19 ASK THE STAFF HAS THE HAHN SITE GONE THROUGH THAT TRAFFIC 20 COMPUTER STUDY? 21 MR. HUBBS: THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE HAD CON- 22 TRACTED FOR THE GENERAL PLAN "A" WAS RUN AND GENERAL PLAt4 23 "C" WAS RUN, SO A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER AT THE HAHN 24 SITE WAS RUN, BUT IT WAS NOT RUN AS A PART OF THE VICTORIA 25 PLAN. SO THE SURROUNDING LAND USES DO NOT REFLECT THE 26 VICTORIA PLAN, WHEREAS THE TERRA VISTA PROJECT THAT WAS 39 1 PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED HAS BEEN RUN THROUGH THE COMPUTER 2 MODEL. 3 MR. LEWIS: NOW, WE ARE AS ANXIOUS TO GET GOING 4 AND HAVE YOU ADOPT OUR PLAN AND LET US START BUILDING 5 SOME HOUSES AND APARTMENTS AND WHATEVER KIND OF 'STORES B WE WILL BUILD, AND WE HIATE TO DELAY THIS, BUT WE WONDER 7 IF YOU SHOULD DECIDE TONIGHT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE FULL B TRAFFIC INFORMATION, BECAUSE TRAFFIC OBVIOUSLY IS A BIG 9 PROBLEM. 10 ANOTHER POINT, IN THE WORDS OF SOME 11 GENTLEMAN THAT DIDN'T PLAN TO SPEAK AT ONE OF THE HEARINGS 12 HE GOT UP AND SAID WHO ARE WE PLANNING THE CITY FOR, OUR 13 OWN PEOPLE OR OUTSIDERS; ARE WE GOING TO PUT THE REGIONAL 14 WHERE OUR PEOPLE WANT IT OR WHERE IT'S HANDY FOR PEOPLE 15 IN VICTORVILLE OR BEAUMONT OR COVINA OR WHERE? I THINK 16 THERE'S SOMETHING TO SAY FOR HIS VIEWPOINT. NOW, YOU 17 WANT ALL THE SALES TAX REVENUE YOU CAN GET. WITH THE 18 CURRENT TAX LAWS, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED ALL THE SALES 19 TAX REVENUE YOU CAN GET, BUT I THINK MORE PEOPLE IN 20 RANCHO CUCAMONGA PREFER OUR SITE THAN THE OTHER. NOW, 21 SOME OF YOU KNOW THAT YESTERDAY, ON THE SPUR OF THE 22 MOMENT, WE CALLED SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND TAKE A PETI- 23 TION OUT AND JUST STAND IN FRONT OF ANY SHOPPING CENTEI:~ 24 AND ASK THE PEOPLE, IF TttE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE A REGIONA 25 AT EITHER HAVEN AND FOOTHILL OR DEVORE AND FOOTHILL -- 26 THAT'S ALL WE TRIED TO ASK, IF IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OR 4O 1 THE OTHER -- WHICH WOULD YOU PREFER? AND WE TALKED TO 2 OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE, AND MORE THAN 70 PERCENT OF THE 3 PEOPLE SIGNED THE THING. I MIGHT HAVE MY NUMBERS WRONG, 4 BUT 833 OF THE ONES THAT WERE ASKED SAID THEY PREFER THE 5 CENTER AT OUR LOCATION RATHER THAN AT THE HAHN LOCATION. 6 NOW, I KNOW A POLL THAT WE TAKE IS SUSPECT, BUT dACK HAS ? THE WORDING OF THE PETITION IF YOU WANT TO HEAR IT. IT 8 WAS VERY SIMPLY STATED, AND WE TOLD OUR PEOPLE DON'T 9 GIVE ANY SALES TALKS. WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO GET OVER- 10 ZEALOUS AND SWAY PEOPLE. WE SAID dUST ASK THEM WH~AE 11 WOULD YOU PREFER IT. AND THERE WAS SUCH A HIGH PROPORTION 12 THAT SAID THEY PREFER OUR SITE, LESS THAN 10 PERCENT THAT 13 PREFERRED THE HAHN SITE, THAT I THINK THAT IT DEMONSTRATES 14 THAT PEOPLE OF THE CITY OVERWHELMINGLY PREFER OUR PLAN 15 OF THE REGIONAL. AND IF THE COUNCIL REPRESENTS THESE 16 PEOPLE, AND I'M SURE YOU DO, YOU SHOULD GIVE SERIOUS 17 WEIGHT TO WHAT THEY'VE EXPRESSED. 18 FINAL POINT, AND WE BROUGHT THIS UP LAST 19 NIGHT AND THERE WAS CONCERN WE WERE TRYING TO BRIBE THE 20 CITY. THE CITY ASSISTANT ATTORNEY RAISED SOME LEGAL DOUBT 21 I ASKED HIM WHAT LAW OR WHAT CASE SAYS WE CAN'T DO THIS, 22 AND HE SAYS, WELL, THERE'S NONE THAT SAYS YOU CAN. I 23 SUBMIT WE CAN, THEN; BUT WHAT WE OFFER TO DO -- WE WON- 24 DERED -- IT'S COMMON TO MAKE INDUCEMENTS TO GET THE 25 REGIONAL CENTER GOING. SOME DEVELOPERS, AND THIS IS VERY 26 PROPER AND I DON'T MEAN IT'S NOT PROPER, BUT SOME DEVELOPE 41 1 SAY TO THE MAJOR DEPARTMENT STORES, HEY, WE'LL GIVE YOU 2 AN INTEREST; WE'LL GIVE YOU 10, 20 PERCENT IN THE CENTER IF YOU AGREE TO LOCATE ON OUR CORNER INSTEAD OF SOMEBODY 4 ELSE'S. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHAT MR. HAHN DID. 5 HE SAID TO THE MAY COMPANY AND BROADWAY, I'LL MAKE YOU 6 PARTNERS. NOW, AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING IS WRONG 7 WITH THAT. I KNOW MANY DEVELOPERS DO THAT ALL OVER, BUT 8 WE GOT TO WONDERING SHOULD WE DO THAT OR WOULD IT BE 9 BETTER TO DONATE THAT TO THE CITY, FRANKLY AS AN INDUCE- 10 MENT? WE CLEARED IT WITH HOMART BECAUSE IT'S HALF THEIR 11 MONEY, BUT WE'RE PREPARED TO DONATE TO THE CITY LAND FOR 12 A CIVIC CENTER THAT WE WOULD SAY WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO 18 A MILLION DOLLARS IF THE COMBINED REGIONAL CENTER IS BUILT 14 ON OUR SITE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY ATTORNEY AGREES OR 15 NOT, BUT WE FEEL IT'S PROPER, AND THAT IS A FREE GIFT 16 THAT WOULD NOT COME OUT OF THE TAXPAYERS' POCKETS. 17 MR. DOUGHERTY: I DISAGREE, MR. LEWIS. I THINK 18 MY PARTNER ADEQUATELY EXPRESSED OUR OPINION LAST NIGHT, 19 AND I AGREE WITH HIS OPINION. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT'S 20 PROPER TO CONSIDER A DONATION THAT THE CITY CANNOT COMPEL 21 AS A MEANS OF A BASIS FOR CONSIDERING WHETHER ONE SITE 22 OR ANOTHER SHOULD BE APPROVED. I SEE THAT AS A VERY BAD 28 PRECIDENT. THAT REALLY WOULD GET INTO PLANNING FOR THE 24 HIGHEST BIDDER AS OPPOSED TO PLANNING FOR THE BEST INTERES' 25 OF THE CITY, AND I WOULD NOT ADVISE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDEi 26 IT. 42 I GET INTO AN EXTENDED DEBATE I MR. LEWIS: WON'T 2 WITH YOU, COUNSEL, BUT I THINK THE CITY HAS HAD THIS 3 PRACTICE AND ENCOURAGED IT WITH ITS POINT SYSTEM. WHEN 4 THE STAFF MADE A REPORT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE $ STAFF DIDN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT THEY SAID HERE B ARE FACTORS TO CONSIDER. AND THEY SAID LOOK AT THE ? DEVELOPER, WHAT CAN HE PRODUCE FOR THE COMMUNITY? WE 8 THINK WE CAN PRODUCE A FINE REGIONAL CENTER. WE AGREE 9 MR. HAHN COULD PRODUCE A FINE REGIONAL CENTER. BUT, 10 THEN, THERE'S A SENTENCE: WHAT HAS THE DEVELOPER OFFERED 11 WITHOUT BEING ASKED TO PROVIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY? AND 12 YOUR POINT SYSTEM, PART OF THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN, 13 GIVES EXTRA POINTS FOR A DEVELOPER WHO DONATES THINGS TO 14 THE CITY. IF YOU DO THINGS BEYOND WHAT'S REQUIRED, LIKE 15 IF YOU GIVE MORE PARK THAN THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES OR MORE 16 STORM DRAIN FACILITIES, IF YOU DO ANYTHING BEYOND WHAT'S 17 REQUIRED, THE CITY SAYS, FINE, YOU'LL GET POINTS, AND YOU 18 MOVE TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE ON BUILDING. NOW, IF THAT'S 19 YOUR POLICY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SET OUT, WHAT'S WRONG 2O WITH SOMEBODY DONATING IF IT'S NOT YOUR IDEA? 21 MR. MAYOR: IF I MAY INTERJECT. I THINK IT 22 HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER THAT IN MAKING 23 A GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DECISION FOR LOTS OF REASONS. 24 ONE IS THERE IS NO CONTROL OVER, FIRST, WHO OWNS THE 25 PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT ALSO OVER FUTURE PRO- 26 JECTED USE FOR IT. WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING, EVEN IF 43 1 WE ARE RECEPTIVE TO THAT OFFER, AND I DON'T THINK WE ARE, 2 YOU MAY NOT OWN THE LAND NEXT MONTH. 3 MR. LEWIS: IN THAT EVENT, I'LL DEFER TO YOUR 4 WISHES AND WITHDRAW THE OFFER. I HOPED IT WOULD BE 5 ATTRACTIVE, AND IF NOT -- 6 MR. MAYOR: WE ALSO WANT TO KEEP OUR OPTIONS 7 OPEN. 8 MR. LEWIS: OKAY. BUT IT SORT OF HAS TO BE ONE 9 WAY OR THE OTHER. WE ARE WILLING TO DO IT. IF IT OFFENDS 10 SOMEBODY, WE APOLOGIZE AND WE WON'T DO IT. I, MYSELF, 11 KNOW OF NO STATUTE OR CASE THAT PROHIBITS IT. SO I'LL 12 STOP AS FAR AS THAT OFFER. I'LL WITHDRAW IT AND LEAVE 13 IT FOR THE CITY TO ASK SOMETIME. 14 WITH ME IS MR. DICK HULINE OF THE HOMART 15 COMPANY. HE'S BETTER QUALIFIED THAN I TO DISCUSS ANY 16 QUESTIONS ON THE ACTUAL CENTER ITSELF. THERE'S A RENDERI 17 THERE, IF YOU WISH TO SEE IT, SHOWING HOW WE LAY IT OUT 18 AND WITH EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING, GREENBELT AND SO ON. 19 BUT HElD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 20 THANK YOU. 21 MR. MAYOR: THANK YOU, MR. LEWIS. 22 MR,. TIBBETTS: GOOD EVENING, MAYOR FROST, 23 MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ALLEN TIBBETTS. I'M 24 AN ATTORNEY [N LONG BEACH APPEARING IN BEHALF OF HOMART. 25 I KNOW WE'VE USED ESSENTIALLY ALL OUR TIME, AND I'LL BE 26 VERY BRIEF. 44 1 AS YOU KNOW, HOMART HAS COME FORWARD IN 2 RESPONSE TO A VERY ATTRACTIVE OPPORTUNITY INVITATION IH 3 YOUR INTERIM PLAN TO DEVELOP A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER, 4 AND WE UNDERSCORE THE WORD REGIONAL. WE HAVE IN THE COURSE 5 OF THIS, IN GOOD FAITH, I THINK, DEVELOPED STATISTICS AND 6 DATA, EVIDENCE. WE'VE PREPARED A RENDERING AND CONCEPTUAL 7 PLANS, AND THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN BEFORE YOU. WHAT I WOULD 8 LIKE TO DO, BRIEFLY, IS ASK YOU TO EXAMINE THE FO~;~ OF THE 9 RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED LAST NIGHT. THEN ItLL EXPRESS 10 OUR CONCERN WITH IT. AND BASICALLY,. AS I TOOK IT DOWN 11 LAST NIGHT, THE MOTION WAS TO RECOMMEND TO YOU THAT YOU 12 RECOMMEND TO THE GENERAL PLAN CONSULTANT THAT THE REGIONAL 13 CENTER BE PLACED AT THE FOOTHILL AND DEVORE FREEWAY AND 14 THE DESIGNATION OF CIVIC CENTER AND MAJOR COMMUNITY 15 SHOPPING CENTER BE PLACED ON FOOTHILL AND HAVEN, MAJOR 16 COMMUNITY SHOPPING CENTER. 17 I HAVE LOOKED AT YOUR GENERAL PLAN, AND 18 THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT SAYS THAT. BUT, APPARENTLY, 19 IT'S SOMETHING THAT FALLS IN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN REGIONAL 20 SHOPPING CENTER AND COMMUNITY SHOPPING CENTER. THAT 21 DIRECT[ON, WE UNDERSTAND, IS GOING TO THE CONSULTANT; 22 AND OUR CONCERN IS THAT, WHILE PEOPLE ARE SAYING OUR 23 OPTIONS ARE ALL STILL OPEN, WE MAY PROCEED WITH THE 24 UNDERSTANDING THAT WE STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT 25 OUR BEST CASE AND PRESENT EVIDENCE, THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT 26 THE RESOLUTION SAYS. OUR FEELING IS THAT THE CONSULTANT 45 1 TAKING THAT VERBATIM IS GOING TO LOOK AT IT AND UNDERSTAND 2 THAT HE~S TO CONSIDER OUR SITE AS A MAJOR COMMUNITY 3 SHOPPING CENTER, LESS THAN A REGIONAL CENTER, AND SOMETHINI 4 WHICH, FRANKLY, HOMART HADN'T ANTICIPATED PARTICIPATING IN § WHEN THEY CAME HERE. 6 OUR REQUEST TO YOU TONIGHT IS FOR THAT 7 REASON AND ALSO FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE 8 CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, SINCE AN E.I.R. WILL 9 HAVE TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES WHEN THE GENERAL PLAN COMES l0 TO YOU; THAT WHATEVER ACTION YOU TAKE TONIGHT NOT LIMIT ll THE CONSULTANT. GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROCEED AS 12 WE ARE TOLD WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY SO WE CAN, IN ESSENCE 13 STAY IN THE BALL PARK AND NOT WALK OUT OF HERE TONIGHT t4 KNOWING THAT YOUR DIRECTIVE TO YOUR GENERAL PLAN CONSUL- 15 TANT IS TO CHANGE THAT LABEL, NARROW DOWN THE OPPORTUNITY, 16 IN ESSENCE FORECL. O.~E US FROM THE REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER 17 OPPORTUNITY THERE ONCE THE EVIDENCE FOR BOTH PROJECTS IS lB BEFORE YOU. 19 MR. MAYOR: THANK YOU, SIR. 20 LET'S TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES' BREAK HERE, 21 THEN WE'LL HEAR GENERAL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AT LARGE. 22 (RECESS TAKEN.) 23 MR. MAYOR: I WILL NOW CALL THE MEETING BACK 24 TO ORDER, PLEASE. 25 MR. LE~'~'IS: MAYOR FROST, TO CLARIFY ONE THING, 26 IF I MAY, I THINK IS STILL MISUNDERSTOOD. 46 1 MR. MAYOR: SURE. 2 MR. LEWIS: I JUST WANTED TO TELL WHAT THE 3 INTENT IS. WE DISCUSSED IT WITH HOMART. AS PARTNERS WE 4 ARE PLANNING HOW TO MAKE THE BEST SHOWING, WHAT CAN WE 5 DO, WHAT CAN WE OFFER, AND SO ON, AND THIS POINT CAME UP. 6 THEIR CONCERN WAS THAT THEY WANT TO SHOW A CONCERN FOR 7 THE COMMUNITY TO HELP IN THEIR PROBLEMS. MR. HAHN MEN- 8 TIONED IN HIS CENTERS, HE OFTEN WILL DEVOTE SOME SPACE, 9 SOME STORE SPACE OR SOMETHING IN THE CENTER FOR THE 10 COMMUNITY TO UTILIZE, LIKE FOR A CLASSROOM. THAT'S A 11 VERY GOOD PURPOSE. AND OUR THOUGHT WAS JUST TO TRY TO 12 DO SOMETHING BETTER, AND WE HAD CALLED TO OUR ATTENTION 13 THE BREA MALL WHERE THERE'S A LARGE CIVIC CENTER, PLENTY 14 OF ROOM FOR ALL SORTS OF ACTIVITIES RIGHT IN THE CENTER. 15 AND THE THOUGHT OF THE GIFT WAS IT WOULD HELP TO BUILD 16 A BIGGER CITY HALL RIGHT NEXT TO THE CENTER AND PROVIDE 17 THE FACILITIES THERE RATHER THAN, SAY, HAVING A PLACE 18 RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF T~E SHOPPING CENTER. IT WAS NOT 19 JUST AN ATTEMPT TO BUY A VOTE. 20 THANK YOU. 21 MR. MAYOR: THANK YOU, SIR. 22 IF THERE IS ANYTHING FROM THE PUBLIC AT 23 LARGE, WHOEVER YOU ARE, THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY 24 SPECIFIC COMMENTS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR FROM YOU. 25 (NO RESPONSE.) 26 MR. MAYOR: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. 47 1 MR. FRYE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD. I 2 DON'T WANT TO TURN THIS INTO A DEBATE, BUT WE MIGHT AS 3 WELL USE THIS FORMAT. WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE FIVE OR 4 10 MINUTES, THEN I'LL GIVE MR. LEWIS FIVE OR 10, THEN 5 WE'LL GO FROM THERE. B MR. LEWIS: I GUARANTEE HE'S IN BETTER SHAPE ? THA~J I AM. HE'LL OUTLAST ME. 8 MR. FRYE: THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS 9 THE COUNCIL ON IS WE ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS 10 THAT RALPH BROUGHT UP. WE HAVE STUDIED THEM IN DETAIL. 11 THEY ARE NOT A PROBLEM. HOWEVER, WE ARE NOT OF THE 12 OPINION THAT THOSE ARE GENERAL PLAN LEVEL QUESTIONS. IN 13 OTitER WORDS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE THE TIME TO EXPLAIN IN 14 DETAIL OUR RESPONSES, IF YOU WISH; BUT WE DON'T FEEL THAT 15 THEY NECESSARILY NEED TO BE A PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN 16 LEVEL OF DISCUSSION. SO I'LL NOT ADDRESS THOSE UNLESS 17 YOU SPECIFICALLY WANT US TO. 18 THANK YOU. 19 MR. MAYOR: I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE ARE ALL OF 20 THE AGREEMENT THAT, AT THE GENERAL PLAN LEVEL, WE'RE 21 TALKING ABOUT GENERAL LAND USES, AND IF AT SOME FUTURE 22 TIME A SPECIFIC SITE DEVELOPER HAD A PROBLEM THROUGH AN 23 E.I.R. PROCESS OR ANY OTHER AREAS~ THOSE PROBLEMS SHOULD 24 BE MITIGATED AND THE USE WOULDN'T APPLY. AND THAT'S THE 25 CASE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY 26 PROBLEMS AT THIS TIME THAT CAN'T BE HANDLED AT SOME 48 1 FUTURE DATE IF THE RESOURCES ARE THERE. SO I WOULD CONCUR 2 IrM NOT SURE THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE AT THIS STAGE. 3 THAT BEING THE CASE, DO YOU WISH TO 4 RESPOND TO ANY PARTICULAR OTHER ITEMS HE MIGHT HAVE BROUGH 5 UP? 6 MR. LEWIS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO 7 THAT? 8 MR. LEWIS: NO. WE HAVE OUR HOMART MANAGER 9 REP. HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF HIM. 10 MR. MAYOR: GREAT. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT Q.~STIONS: 11 MIGHT ARISE WHEN WE GET TO THAT STAGE. 12 IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO 13 ADD ANY COMMENTS? 14 YES, MA'AM. IF YOU WOULD COME UP AND LET 15 US KNOW WHO YOU ARE FOR THE SAKE OF THE GIRL HERE. 16 MRS. HANSON: I'M LOUJEAN (PHONETIC SPELLING) 17 HANSON, 5313 PERIDOT AVENUE IN ALTA LOMA, AND I'M UP IN 18 THE NORTHWEST CORNER; SO I'M GOING TO BE FURTHEST AWAY 19 THAN ALMOST ANYONE IN RANCHO CUCAMONGA. AND I'VE BEEN 20 OUT HERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR, AND MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE 21 OF TIlE TYPE THAT ARE MORE MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE EVEN THOUGH 22 OUR HOMES AR~ NICE. 23 I'VE BEEN LIVING OUT HERE FOR ABOUT A 24 YEAR~ WORKING AT TWO DIFFERENT PLACES. MOST OF THE PEOPLE 25 I PICK UP IN THIS AREA ARE AVERAGE, DOWN-TO-EARTH MIDDLE 26 PEOPLE WHO SHOP AT SEARS AND LOCAL PLACES, LOCAL STORES. ~9 FEEL THAT, IF THEY IN WITH HIGH- 1 I REALLY DON'T CAME A 2 LINE BUSINESS SHOPPING CENTER LIKE TItEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, 3 I WOULDN'T SHOP THERE. MY BOSS TOLD ME TODAY THAT HIS 4 WIFE WOULDN'T SHOP THERE. THEY GO THERE AND THEY LOOK 5 AND FEEL, BUT THEY DON'T BUY. THEY LIKE TO BUY AT SEARS, 6 AND I KNOW THE CLOSEST SEARS IS RIVERSIDE OR POMONA. SO ? MY PERSONAL FEELING IS I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A SEARS 8 CLOSE BY OR STANDARD BRAND PAINT. I GET TIRED OF DRIVING 9 ALL T.~E WAY OVER TO POMONA TO THOSE PLACES. 10 MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS, BOTH THE HUSBAND 11 AND WIFF WORK TO MAKE HOUSE PAYMENTS AND KEEP THINGS 12 GOING. AND WITH THE COST OF GAS AND OIL, WE REALLY DON'T 13 FEEL THAT WE WANT THE PRESTIGE OF A FANCY NEIGHBORHOOD. 14 IF I REALLY HAD THE MONEY AND WANTED THE PRESTIGE OF A 15 BIG FANCY THING THAT'S GOIHG TO DRAW ALL THE WEALTHY 16 PEOPLE, I'D BE LIVING IN BEVERLY HILLS; I WOULDN'T BE 17 OUT HERE. AND, PERSONALLY, PRESTIGE DOESN'T TURN ME ON. lB I REALLY FEEL THAT WHAT ARE WE REALLY GOING TO BE USING? 19 ANDTHAT SHOPPING CENTER THERE IS GOING TO BE RIGHT NEAR 20 FONTANA AND ONTARIO, AND I WORKED JUST SOUTH OF THERE OFF 21 ETIWANDA AVENUE AND IN THE INDUSTRIAL CENTER FOR ABOUT 22 NINE MONTHS LAST YEAR. THE PEOPLE I WORKED WITH LIVE 23 SOUTH OF THERE IN JURUPA HILLS AND THIS TYPE OF THING, 24 AND THEY ARE NOT THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WHO BUY IN THE HIGH- 25 LINE SHOPPING AREAS. 26 ANOTHER THING ABOUT THE FOOTHILL LOCATION 5O 1 THAT BOTHERS ME IS THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE 2 THAT ARE GOING ON THE FREEWAY THAT ARE GOING TO STOP AND 3 SEE AND BUY. NELL, MY EXPERIENCE ON THAT FREEWAY AND 4 WHEN I PASS THERE NAS THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT DRIVE THAT 5 FREEWAY ARE LONG-DISTANCE PEOPLE DRIVING TO VEGAS. IT'S 6 NOT A COMMUTER FREEWAY LIKE ORANGE COUNTY. AND LIKE THE 7 10 WHERE PEOPLE DRIVE FROH UPLAND INTO L.A. PAST MONTCLA[ 8 PLAZA AND THEY PASS A LOT OF THE OTHER PLAZAS. THE [-15 9 GOES dUST UP THROUGH THE HILLS. NOBODY LIVES UP T ~ERE. 10 NOBODY IS GOING TO AND FROM WORK ON THE 1-15, AND THAT 11 SHOPPING CENTER ON THE FREEWAY IS ANOTHER TWO H[LES FOR 12 ME TO DRIVE. AND IF UPLAND CAME UP WITH A NEAT ONE NORTH 13 OF 19TH THERE OVER IN UPLAND dUST OUTSIDE OF RANCHO 14 CUCAMONGA, I WOULD GO THERE. 15 AND, SO, [ REALLY FEEL THAT ! WOULD 16 RATHER HAVE ONE CLOSER. ['D RATHER HAVE ONE THAT'S EASY 17 FOR MY TEENAGERS TO GET TO. I REALLY PREFER THE ONE 18 CLOSER, NOT THE ONE FURTHER. 19 THANK YOU. 20 MR. MAYOR: THA~K YOU, MRS. HANSON. 21 MR. BERINI: IF I MAY RESPOND TO MRS. HANSON. 22 MR, MAYOR: WHY DON'T WE WAIT AND SEE IF THERE' 23 ANY OTHER GENERAL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC FIRST, THEN 24 ANY RESPONSES FROM THE PROPONENTS, WE CAN HANDLE. 25 MRS. HANSON, WAS THAT AN ~'E" OR "0"? 26 MRS. HANSON: "O". 51 1 MR. MAYOR: OKAY. THAT'S TOO BAD. IT'S THE 2 WRONG SIDE OF THE CHANNEL FOR MY ANCESTORS. 3 MRS. HANSON: OH, WELL, MY MAIDEN NAME WAS 4 HANSEN WITH AN "E". 5 MR. MAYOR: DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD 6 LIK~ TO RESPOND? 7 OKAY, NOW, MR. BERINI, DO YOU HAVE 8 SOMETHING? 9 (NO RESPONSE.) 10 MR. MAYOR: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE 11 PUBLIC OR EITHER PROPONENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY 12 ADDITIONAL COMMENTS RIGHT NOW? 13 (NO RESPONSE.) 14 MR. MAYOR: ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE OF THE NATURE 15 OF THIS, IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC RESPONSES TO THE COUNCI 16 DISCUSSIONS, WE'LL HANDLE THOSE A LITTLE LATER. 17 FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE WE GO TO THE COUNCIL, 18 PERHAPS, MR. LAM, YOU MIGHT EXPLAIN OR CLARIFY THE PLANNINI 19 COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION. 20 MR. LAM: MR. MAYOR, THE PLANNING DISCUSSION 21 DISCUSSED THE SAME ISSUES THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING THIS 22 EVENING, AND .THEIR THOUGHT IS TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY 23 COUNCIL THAT THEY DIRECT T~E CONSULTANT TO DEVELOP A 24 DRAFT GENERAL PLAN StqOWING THE REGIONAL AT THE FOOTHILL 25 AND 1-15 LOCATION AND CONSIDER THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MAJOR 26 COMMUNITY CENTER -- WHEN THEY SAY COMMUNITY CENTER, THEY 52 1 MEANT BOTH COMMUNITY SHOPPING AND CIVIC CONSIDERATIONS -- 2 BE CONSIDERED FOR FOOTHILL AND HAVEN, NORTHEAST CORNER. 3 WE HAVE A SUGGESTION THAT, IF THE CITY COUNCIL CONCURS 4 WITH THAT, THAT THE PROPER DECISION THIS EVENING WOULD § BE THAT THE STAFF SUGGEST THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE THE 6 STAFF SUGGEST TO THE CITY GENERAL PLAN CONSULTANT THAT 7 THEY CONSIDER A REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER LOCATED AT $ FOOTHILL BOULEVARD AND 1-15 AND A MAJOR COMMUNITY CENTER 9 AT FOOTHILL AND HAVEN, NORTHWEST CORNER, AND THAT A 10 DRAFT GENERAL PLAN BE DEVELOPED FOR PUBLIC HEARING. 11 AND, BASICALLY, WE ARE GIVING DIRECTION 12 TO THE GENERAL PLAN CONSULTANT TO PREPARE A DOCUMENT, 13 AND THIS DOCUMENT WILL NOT ONLY HAVE THE MAJOR LAND USE 14 RELATIONSHIPS IN THE COMMUNITY BUT WILL INTEGRATE INTO 15 A SINGLE PLAN ALL THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED 16 AS PART OF A GEI.~ERAL PLAN; AND, OF COURSE, AN E.I.R. 17 BE PREPARED, AND IN THE E.I.R. THERE WILL BE EXPLORATION 18 OF ALTERNATIVES AS REQUIRED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY 19 ACT. AND, OF COURSE, THE CONSIDERATION OF ALTERNATIVES 20 WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION OF GENERAL PLAN LEVEL ALTERNATIVE 21 MR. LEWIS: EXCUSE ME, MR. MAYOR. 22 JACK, DID YOU SAY WHICH CORNER OF FOOTHILl 23 AND HAVEN? 24 MR. LAM: NORTHEAST. 25 MR. MAYOR: YES? 26 MR. PALOMBO: I WOULD SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE 53 1 DAY CREEK QUESTION. 2 LLOYD, LET'S SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE DAY 3 CREEK QUESTION. 4 MR. LAM: WHAT ABOUT DAY CREEK? 5 MR. PALOMBO: I SAID LET'S SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS 6 THE -- 7 MR. LAM: THE E.I.R. WILL EXPLORE THE IMPACT B UPON THE COMMUNITY OF THE GENERAL PLAN. IT WILL NOT 9 EXPLORE THE PROJECT IMPACTS. 10 MR. PALOMBO: AND, LLOYD, HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS 11 IT? 12 MR. HUBBS: I THINK, AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE 13 COUNCIL, AS PART OF ITS MASTER PLAH UPDATE, DESIGNATED 14 $12,000 TO OUR CONSULTANT TO STUDY THE DAY CREEK -- 15 ETIWANDA ISSUE. THAT REPORT WILL BEGIN SHORTLY, AND THE 16 RESULTS WILL BE A STUDY THAT INDICATES WHAT MEASURES 17 SHOULD BE TAKEN AND EXPLORED AND THEIR OPTIONS FOR DEVELOP. 18 MENT OF DAY CREEK. AND WE WILL USE THAT AS A VEHICLE TO 19 COORDINATE EFFORTS WITH RIVERSIDE COUNTY, SAN BERNARDINO 2O COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL AND ONTARIO. SO WE WILL VERY PROBABL' 21 HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE AROUND TItE TIME THE E.I.R. 22 IS PREPARED AJND SHOULD BE INCLUDED. 23 MR. BRIDGE: A QUESTION ON THAT SAME ITEM. DOES 24 THE DAY CREEK RUNOFF HIT THE SANTA FE SECTION BEING 25 DEVELOPED IN ONTARIO HERE? I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT HUGE 26 K MART DEVELOPMENT AND PROPERTY SOUTH OF THAT. IS THAT 54 1 WHAT RUNS RIGHT ACROSS? 2 MR. HUBBS: NO. ETIWANDA RUNS THROUGH -- 3 MR. BRIDGE: ETIWANDA? 4 MR. HUBBS: DAY CREEK IS VERY CLOSE TO INTER- 5 STATE 15. 6 MR. SCHLOSSER: IT GOES RIGHT UNDER THE 1-15, 7 RIGHT BELOW ARROW. 8 MR. HUBBS: RIGHT. 9 MR. MAYOR: SEEMS TO ME DAY CREEK GOES BY THE 10 NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE K MART CENTER. 11 MR. BRIDGE: THAT'S MY QUESTION, AND LLOYD 12 CONTRADICTED THAT IDEA. 13 MR. MAYOR: THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS DOWN THERE. 14 I'M NOT SURE THAT'S RELEVANT. 15 MR. BRIDGE: WELL, IF NO ONE WANTS TO TALK, I'LL 16 BE GLAD TO. 17 MR. MAYOR: FIRE AWAY. 18 MR. BRIDGE: IN THE FIRST PLACE, THOSE OF US 19 THAT HAVE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS AND HAVE 20 ALWAYS THOUGHT OF ANYTHING EAST OF HAVEN AS BEING BLOW 21 SAND COUHTRY, IT'S HARD TO CONCEIVE THAT THERE IS ANOTHER 22 VIABLE POTENT/AL, AND THE DEVELOPERS ARE HERE AND PEOPLE 23 ARE HERE WITH CONTRADICTIONS TO CONTRADICT US AND POINT 24 OUT REALITY TO US THAT WHAT WAS CONCEIVED IS A POSSIBILITY 25 I THINK WE OWE A LOT TO THE VISION AND INVESTMENT OF TIME 26 AND CAPITAL AND ENERGY TO MAKE SOMETHING OF THIS AREA, 55 1 BECAUSE, REALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE THE CENTER OF OUR 2 COMMUNITY. 3 ANOTHER IDEA THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO CON- 4 CEIVE, BUT WE'RE SEEING IT COMING RIGHT SMACK IN THE CENTE $ OF A HUGE POTENTIAL, REALLY THE GREATEST POTENTIAL OF OUR 6 CITY, IS NOW EAST OF HAVEN IN THE ETIWANDA -- THE SPACE ? BETWEEN HAVEN AND ETIWANDA. I'M GLAD TO SEE THE INTEREST 8 AND HIGH CALIBER PLANNING THAT'S GOING INTO THIS AREA. 9 I LOOK AT THE PROBLEM OF WHERE TO HAVE 10 WHAT IN RELATION TO THE MAXIMUM BENEFIT TO THE CITY AND 11 WITH THE MINIMUM OF DETRIMENT TO THE CITY. AMONG THE 12 IDEAS THAT I HAVE FOR MAXIMUM BENEFIT IS A GOOD SELECTION, 13 A WIDE RANGE OF SHOPPING POSSIBILITIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS, 14 FOR THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITIES. MOST OF US WILL PROB- 15 ABLY BE SHOPPING MID-LEVEL MOST OF THE TIME, BUT WE 15 REALLY HAVE NO OPTION AT THE PRESENT WITHOUT DRIVING MANY 17 MILES TO GET THAT OCCASIONAL, OR DEPENDING UPON YOUR 18 POCKETBOOK, MORE FREQUENT -- WHAT'S THE TERM -- HIGH- 19 LEVEL OR HIGH-CLASS, OR WHATEVER IT IS, TYPE OF SHOPPING 20 THAT WE DO ONCE IN A WHILE. I'M SURE THAT THERE WILL BE 21 A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF SHOPPING IN EITHER OR BOTH OF 22 THESE PROJECTS AS THEY ARE DEVELOPED FOR THE REST OF OUR 23 DAY-TO-DAY TASTES, DAY-TO-DAY DEMANDS. 24 LET ME TALK ABOUT THE CIRCULATION JUST A 25 SECO[~D. I'M LOOKING AT A CHANCE FOR COMPLETE SUCCESS. 26 THIS IS A MAJOR THING THAT WE ARE DOING, A~ID I THINK IT 55 1 BEHOOVES US TO CONCERN OURSELVES WITH A REGIONAL CENTZR 2 GIVEN EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED. AND THIS IS GOING TO 3 TAKE POSSIBLY MORE TRAFFIC THAN WE CAN DEVELOP WITHIN OUR 4 OWN COMMUNITY, SO IT IS TRULY REGIONAL. AND I'M CONVINCED 5 THAT, IN SPITE OF THE ARGUMENTS TO THE CONTRARY, THAT THE 6 FREEWAYS WILL BE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR. TODAY, I CONCUR 7 MOST OF THE TRAFFIC SEEMS TO BE GOING OUT 1-10 HEADED FOR $ LAS VEGAS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A GROWING SHOPPING COMMUNITY 9 OUT IN THE HIGH DESERT-VICTORVILLE AREA. THESE PEOPLE, 10 I THINK, WILL DO OCCASIONAL SHOPPING, OR RATHER MOqE THAN 11 OCCASIONAL SHOPPING, IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY IF THERE IS A 12 GOOD SPREAD OF FACILITIES FOR THEM. 13 I THINK PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTAt~T 14 THINGS, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH SUCCESS, IS AN EMPLOYMENT 15 POSSIBILITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THE HIGHEST SALES TAX 16 REVENUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND THIS WOULD BE DEVELOPED 17 WITH A SUCCESSFUL REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER WITHIN OUR 18 CITY BOUNDARIES. 19 AMONG TIlE MINIMUM OF DETRIMENTS, OF COURSE 20 NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CIRCULATION, AND IT'S BEEN WELL 21 COVERED, THE PROS AND CONS OF IT. I'D LIKE TO ADD ANOTHER 22 MINIMUM DETRIMENT. I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD PICK AN AREA 23 THAT HAS MINIMUM DETRIMENT TO OUR INDUSTRIAL AREA, WHICH 24 [ CONSIDER HIGHLY CRITICAL BOTH FROM EMPLOYMENT AND SALES 25 TAX THAT IS GENERATED FOR OUR COMMUNITY FROM OUR INDUSTRIAl 26 AREA. 57 1 BOTH PROPERTIES ARE VALUABLE, VITAL 2 PROPERTIES. THE OPTIONS OVER ON HAVEN ARE EXTREMELY 3 VALUABLE. I HAVE HAD SOME DISAGREEMENT IN MY MIND LAST 4 NIGHT WHEN I SAT OUT IN THE AUDIENCE AND LISTENED TO THE 5 EXTENDED ARGUMENTS, PRESENTATIONS BEFORE THE PLANNING 6 COMMISSION; A BIT OF RESERVATION ON THE USE OF THE 7 COMMUNITY OR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY, THE CIVIC 8 PORTION. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD KEEP OUR OPTIONS OPEN. g IT SHOULD BE IN THE CENTER OF TOWN, BUT I HATE TO SEE -- 10 I DON'T LIKE TO SEE A REAL COMMITMENT NOW THAT CITY HALL, 11 WHEN AND IF, WILL BE IN SOME EXACT LOCATION, WHETHER IT 12 BE ON TERRA VISTA OR NORTH OF IT OR EAST OF IT OR WEST OF 13 IT OR WHEREVER. I'D LIKE TO LEAVE THAT OPTION OPEN. IN 14 THIS REGARD, I THINK THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE 15 PLANNING COMMISSION ON THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BY THE 16 COUNCIL AS RECOMMENDATIONS ONLY. 17 I WILL EXPRESS MY DESIRE, MY OPINION -- 18 I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S TIME FOR A MOTION -- BUT MY 19 SENTIMENTS ARE FOR A REGIONAL TO BE OUT ON THE 1-10 AREA; 20 AND, AT THE PROPER TIME, AFTER MORE DISCUSSION -- 21 MR. MIKELS: YOU MEAN THE 1-15. 22 MR~ BRIDGE: OUT ON THE DEVORE, EXCUSE ME. 23 GET MY FREEWAY NUMSERS MIXED UP. 24 MR. SCHLOSSER: I WOULD SAY I AM IN AGREEMENT 25 WITH THAT, RATHER THAN REITERATE ALL THE OTHER POINTS; AND 26 SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INDUSTRIAL AREA 1 IS REALLY NOT CUT UP WITH MORE TRAFFIC THAN IS NECESSARY 2 SO THAT IT DISCOURAGES ANY INDUSTRIAL GROWTH IN THAT AREA. 3 THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE 4 PRO AND CON THAT FIT BOTH AREAS, AND THIS IS REALLY A 5 VERY, VERY HARD DECISION. AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE 1-15 6 AND FOOTHILL SEEMS TO BE THE PLACE FOR THE REGIONAL 7 SHOPPING CENTER, AND I WOULD FAVOR THAT AREA. B MR. MIKELS: I THINK'WE HAVE TO CONSIDER SEVERAL 9 THINGS IN DETERMINING THE LQCATION. I THINK THESE THINGS 10 HAVE BEEN BROUGHT OUT, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO TOO 11 MUCH DETAIL ABOUT THEM. 12 ONE, OF COURSE, IS THE IMAGE WE ARE TRYING 13 TO PROJECT OF OUR CITY AND HOW OUR LAND USE PLANNING 14 ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN CAN HELP US IN CREATING THE 15 IMAGE THAT WE WANT TO DESIGN FOR OUR CITY. 16 I THINK TRAFFIC CIRCULATION IS EXTREMELY 17 IMPORTANT, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN CONVINCED THAT THERE'S GOING 18 TO BE MUCH DIFFERENCE AT ALL REGARDLESS OF WHICH LOCATION 19 THE REGIONAL CENTER IS LOCATED AT. WE ARE GOING TO GET 20 TRAFFIC IN EITHER CASE. 21 I AGREE WITH MRS. HANSON THAT 1-15 IS NOT 22 THE COMMUNITY.AREA FREEWAY AND THAT ANY BUSINESS THAT CONE 23 OFF THERE WILL BE MINIMAL IN COMPARISON TO THE MARKET AREA 24 PRESENT MARKET AREA, TO TIlE NORTH AND WEST. 25 [ THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE APPROPRIATi 26 LOCATION FOR A CIVIC CENTER SITE AND DO WE WANT TO MAKE 59 1 THAT A CENTRAL LOCATION OR CENTRAL FOCUS OF THE CITY OR 2 DO WE WANT TO LOCATE THAT ON THE PERIPHERY? 3 ALTHOUGH WE'VE BEEN ASKED BY OUR STAFF 4 NOT TO CONSIDER IT, I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE 5 USES THAT WOULD BE LOCATED IN EACH OF THE CENTERS. I 6 THINK THAT THERE'S NO WAY OF AVOIDING TAKING THAT INTO 7 CONSIDERATION. B THOSE ARE SOME OF THE POINTS THAT I HAVE 9 CONSIDERED. I ATTENDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING 10 LAST NIGHT, AND I THINK I BASICALLY AGREE WITH THE 11 RECOMMENDATION. SOME OF THE POINTS THAT THE LYON AND HAHN 12 COMPANIES HAVE BROUGHT OUT IN FAVOR OF THE LOCATION OF 13 THEIR PROJECT, IN MY MIND, DON'T ADD UP THAT MUCH; HOW- EVER, I DO THINK THAT THE 1-15 FREEWAY, IF FOR NO OTHER 15 REASON, PROVIDES A BUFFER TO THE CENTER. SOMETHING WITH 16 SIX MAJOR SHOPPING LOCATIONS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A 17 HUGE CHUNK OF PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A CON- 18 SIDERABLE AMOUNT OF DESIGN CONTROL TO BLEND IN WITH THE 19 SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. I THINK THE 1-15 FREEWAY IS ONE 2O BUFFER ON THE ENTIRE EAST SIDE OF IT. 21 SO, AT THIS POINT, I FAVOR THE LOCATION OF 22 THE REGIONAL CENTER ON 1-15. I ALSO FAVOR THE DEVELOPMENT 23 OF, WITHOUT A DEFINITION AT THIS POINT, A MAJOR CENTER AT 24 THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF HAVEN AND FOOTHILL. 25 MR. PALOMBO: IN CONCLUSION, I WOULD CONCUR 26 WITH COUNCIL'S COMMENTS TO THIS POINT. BECAUSE OF THE 6O 1 THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO READ IT. 2 I BELIEVE THAT THE COUNCIL AND STAFF WOULD 3 SUGGEST TO THE CITY GENERAL PLANNING CONSULTANT THAT HE 4 CONSIDER A REGIONAL CENTER LOCATED AT FOOTHILL BOULEVARD 5 AND 1-15 AND A MAJOR COMMUNITY CENTER AT FOOTHILL BOULE- 6 VARD AND HAVEN, THE NORTHEAST CORNER AT FOOTHILL AND 7 HAVEN; AND THAT A DRAFT GENERAL PLAN BE DEVELOPED FOR 8 PUBLIC HEARING. 9 MR. MIKELS: I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. 10 MR. BRIDGE: JUST A TECHNICALITY IN THE ~'IORDING 11 JIM. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO OUR PLANNERS? ARE WE RECOMMEN 12 ING THAT THEY CONSIDER SOMETHING OR ARE WE DICTATING TO 13 THEM THAT THEY BRING INTO THE GENERAL PLAN THE COMMUNITY' 14 DESIRES? I HAVE A LITTLE CONFUSION IN MY MIND WHAT OUR 15 RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SEDWAY/COOKE FIRM IS. 16 MR. LAM: WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS GIVING DIRECTIO 17 INTO PREPARING A DOCUMENT, AND IF YOUR DIRECTION IS TO 18 CONSIDER THE REGIONAL ON 1-15 AND FOOTHILL, THEN A DRAFT 19 AND LAND USE PROPOSAL WOULD BE DEVELOPED WITH ALL THE 20 NECESSARY LAND USE RELATIONSHIPS FOR PUBLIC HEARING 21 PURPOSES. WE HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF 22 CONCEPTUAL ALTERNATIVES THROUGH THE COMMUNITY GROUP. 23 THESE ARE AT THE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL. 24 MR. MAYOR: DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? 25 MR. BRIDGE: WELL, PRETTY MUCH SO. I HAD, FOR 26 SEVERAL WEEKS, A QUESTION IN MY MIND dUST EXACTLY THE 61 1 RELATIONSHIP OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMISSION TO TH~ 2 PLANNING FIRM AND OUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE PLANNING FIRM, 3 AND I FELT THAT IT WAS TIME THAT WE STOPPED THE CONTINUOUS 4 DISCUSSION WHICH HAS BEEN GOING ON. THE CITIZENS ADVISORY $ COMMITTEE HAS BEEN WORKING FOR WEEKS ON THIS PARTICULAR 6 PROBLEM ABOUT THE REGIONAL CENTERS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO 7 GET ON WITH THE TOTAL PLAN WE HIRED SEDWAY/COOKE TO DO 8 BECAUSE THERE IS SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE 9 BROUGHT UP. I'D LIKE TO GET THIS IN CONCRETE TO A DEGREE 10 MR. MIKELS: WE CAN DIRECT SEDWAY/COOKE ANY WAY 11 THE COUNCIL FEELS LIKE DIRECTING SEDWAY/COOKE. WE DETER- 12 MINE THE RELATIONSHIP. WE HIRED THEM. 13 MR. BRIDGE: SOMETIMES I HAVE A LITTLE QUESTION 14 IN MY MIND THAT EVERYONE APPRECIATES THE SAME WAY THAT 15 YOU AND I ARE COMMENTING ON, JOHN, 16 MR. LAM: WE HAD A RECENT MEETING WITH THE CON- 17 SULTANT FIRM, AND THE DETERMINATION IS DIRECTION. THEY 18 WILL BE PREPARING THE GENERAL PLAN AFTER THIS BASIC 19 MEETING THAT WILL REFLECT THE CONCERNS OF THE C.A.C. AND 20 THE CITY COUNCIL. THE ASSURANCES WERE GIVEN TO THE CITY. 21 MR. BRIDGE: I'D BE HAPPY TO SEE THEM START 22 TO GET INTO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE OLDER PARTS OF 23 THE COMMUNITY AND SO ON. 24 MR. MAYOR: ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? 25 (NO RESPONSE.) 26 MR. MAYOR: I'LL MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS OF MY 62 1 OWN, THEN. WE'LL GO FROM THERE AND SEE IF ANYONE WOULD 2 LIKE TO RESPOND. 3 PART OF THIS, I GUESS, MIGHT BE AN 4 INTRODUCTION AS TO WHETHER THE COUNCIL HAS ANY CONCEPTUAL 5 IDEAS INSOFAR AS INFORMAL DIRECTION THE STAFF MIGHT GIVE 6 SEDWAY/COOKE IN REGARD TO THE DECISION WE MAKE TONIGHT. 7 FIRST OF ALL, INSOFAR AS THE REGIONAL CENTER, I WOULD 8 CONCUR THAT THE LOCATION SHOULD BE FOOTHILL AND 1-15. 9 THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT HAS BEEN SAID. I DON'T ,'~ANT 10 TO REITERATE THAT. BUT ONE ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT UP 11 WAS THAT OF COMPLEMENTARY USES, AND I CONCUR WITH WHAT'S 12 BEEN SAID ABOUT THAT. IT'S BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR THE 13 CITY TO CONTROL THOSE AT THAT LOCATION SO THAT WE DON'T 14 INFRINGE UPON THE INDUSTRIAL AREA. THAT'S A COMMITMENT 15 WE MADE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AND I SEE NO INDICATION THAT 16 ANY OF US WISH TO CHANGE THAT COMMITMENT. 17 I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE COMPLEMENTARY 18 USES STAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF 1-15. THERE ARE INDICA- 19 TIONS BY THE DEVELOPER THE OTHER EVENING THAT THERE MIGHT 20 BE SOME MAJOR CIRCULATION CHANGES TO UTILIZE THE LOWER 21 PART OF ETIWANDA AVENUE FOR ACCESS INTO THE SITE. I'D 22 HAVE TO GET A HECK OF A SALES JO3 ON THAT BEFORE I CAN 23 AGREE WITH IT. 24 SALES TAX REVENUE. THE WAY THE SITUATION 25 IS IN CALIFORNIA NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN ASSUME 26 THAT THE FUNDING STRUCTURES REVENUED TO TitE CITY WILL 63 1 REMAIN AS IT IS NOW IN PERPETUITY. A SALES TAX IS NOT 2 A GIVEN, AND I DON~T THINK THAT WE SHOULD ASSUME THAT IT 3 WILL CONTINUE TO BE. 4 INSOFAR AS THE OTHER CORNER GOES, I WOULD 5 DISAGREE WITH WHAT I HEARD FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIOH B LAST NIGHT. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY EMPHASIZED THE IMPOR- 7 TANCE OF THAT CORNER QUITE STRONGLY ENOUGH. I WOULD CONCUi , 8 I THINK, MORE DIRECTLY WITH WHAT PETE TOLSTOY SAID IN 9 FACT THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT AS A UNIQUE RESOURCE 10 WHICH IS VERY RARE AND WILL BE ESSENTIAL TO BECOME A FOCAL 11 CENTER OF THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T THINK THIS DIRECTION 12 AND THE MOTION THAT MR. PALOMBO MADE GAVE EMPHASIS TO 13 THAT AS STRONGLY AS THE COUNCIL MAY FEEL APPROPRIATE. 14 OTHER THAN THAT, CONCEPTUALLY, I CONCUR 15 WITH THE -- 16 MR. MIKELS: I HAVE ONE POINT, JIM. I ATTENDED 17 THE MEETING. I KNOW YOU DID TOO, LAST NIGHT. 18 WHEN WE START TRYING TO ENLARGE THE 19 SCOPE OF OUR OBJECTIVE HERE TONIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO -- 20 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OPENING UP AN ENTIRE NEW LINE O? 21 INQUIRY AND DISCUSSION. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE 22 ARE HERE TO DETERMINE THE LOCATION FOR A REGIONAL SHOPPING 23 CENTER. I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON THIS COUNCIL THINKS ANY 24 DIFFERENT WITH REGARD TO UTILIZATION AND THE IMPORTANCE 25 OF THE HAVEN AND FOOTHILL INTERSECTION, BUT [ THI~K 26 BASICALLY IT WOULD BE BETTER TO RESERVE DISCUSSIO~ OF 64 1 THAT MATTER UNTIL A LATER TIME AND WHEN WE ARE FURTHER 2 ALONG IN THE GENERAL PLAN PROCESS. 3 I AGREE WITit YOUR POINT, HOWEVER. 4 MR. MAYOR: I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, BASICALLY, 5 IS I AGREE WITH THE DUAL FOCUS POINT WITH STRONG EMPHASIS 6 ON THE REGIONAL LEVEL AT 1-15 AND EQUALLY STRONG EMPHASIS 7 ON A LOCAL LEVEL AT HAVEN AND FOOTHILL. AND I WOULD 8 LIKE TO SEE THAT TRANSMITTED TO THE CONSULTANT BECAUSE 9 THAT IMPLIES SOME OPTIONS OVER AND ABOVE THE SIMPLE 10 STATEMENT OF THE COMMISSION. 11 MR. MIKELS: WELL, YOU ARE PROPOSING -- WHAT 12 WAS YOUR DEFINITION FOR THE PROPOSAL -- ON THE NORTHEAST 13 CORNER OF HAVEN AND FOOTHILL? 14 MR. MAYOR: WELL, JUST AN INCREASE ON THE 15 EMPHASIS ON THAT CORNER. 16 MR. PALOMBO: GIVE ME THE LANGUAGE, JIM. 17 MR. MIKELS: LET'S LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING 18 ABOUT. 19 MR. MAYOR: GIVE ME THAT MOTION AGAIN, MIKE. 20 MR. PALOMBO: THE COUNCIL A~ID STAFF SUGGEST 21 TO THE CITY GENERAL PLANNING CONSULTANT THAT THEY CONSIDER 22 A REGIONAL CENTER LOCATED AT FOOTHILL BOULEVARD AND 1-15, 23 A MAdOR COMMUNITY CENTER AT FOOTHILL AND HAVEN, NORTHEAST 24 CORNER OF FOOTHILL AND HAVEN; AND THAT A DRAFT GENERAL 25 PLAN BE DEVELOPED FOR PUBLIC HEARING. 26 MR. MIKELS: I SUGGEST ONE MODIFICATION. WE 65 1 MIGHT WANT TO INCLUDE IN THERE FROM THE DETERMINATION OF 2 REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTER, I THINK CONCURRENT WITH THAT 3 DECISION IS GOING TO BE THE POSSIBLE LOCATION OF OUR 4 CIVIC CENTER. AND I KNOW WE CONSIDER THAT AS MERELY 5 THE DIRECT MIDDLE OF THE CITY, BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO B WIDEN THE SCOPE OF THE DECISION TONIGHT, I THINK THAT ? HAS TO BE BROUGHT INTO FOCUS. B MR. PALOMBO: THE BASIS OF THE CONCERN IS THAT 9 WE HAVE BOTH THE MAYORtS CONCERN OF WHAT WE ARE FOCUSING 10 ON AND WHAT YOU ARE BRINGING INTO IT AND ALSO WHAT 11 COUNCILMAN BRIDGE HAS BROUGHT TO IT. BUT I THINK WE ARE 12 TRYING TO FOCUS AT ONE POINT OF DECISION RIGHT NOW. WE 13 ARE NOT TRYING TO COMPLETE THE BROAD SPAN, AND THIS IS 14 BRINGING SOMETHING FORWARD TO THE HEARING PROCESS. 1S MR. MIKELS: THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THAT IS 16 WHY I WOULD REALLY RATHER DEFER CONSIDERATION OF GIVING 17 ANY FURTHER DIRECTION WITH REGARD TO OTHER LOCATIONS 18 RATHER THAN THE DESIGNATION THAT'S BEEN GIVEN AND THE 19 MOTION MADE. 20 MR. PALOMBO: I BELIEVE IT ADDRESSES TIlE 21 STRUCTURE WE ARE TRYING TO ANSWER; AND IF WE GO BEYOND 22 THAT, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS TO GIVE. 23 MR. BRIDGE: I BELIEVE THAT THE WORDING OF THE 24 MOTION ADEQUATELY EXPRESSES OUR CONCERN AND VITAL INTEREST 25 AND THE BEST UTILIZATION OF THE HAVEN AND FOOTHILL TRACT, 26 AND [ WOULD OFFER A SECOND TO MIKE'S MOTION. 66 1 MR. MIKELS: I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN SECONDED. 2 MR. BRIDGE: FINE. I'LL THIRD IT. 3 MR. LEWIS: MAYOR FROST, I'M STILL NOT CLEAR. 4 I AGREE WITH YOU, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT CORNER, BUT IT 5 SEEMS SOMEBODY CAN HEAR ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND GO ONE OF 8 TWO DIRECTIONS. I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS LAST 7 NIGHT HAD IN MIND A MAJOR COMMERCIAL TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. 8 THEY ARE ASKING HOW MANY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET COULD BE g IN A DEPARTMENT STORE THERE AND SO ON. IT'S POSS~3LE 10 TO INTERPRET WHAT YOU GENTLEMEN ARE SAYING AS SAYI~,iG 11 THERE SHOULD BE A NICE LITTLE CITY HALL AND CUTE LITTLE 12 LIBRARY BUILDING AT THAT CORNER. 13 MR. MAYOR: CAN YOU FOLKS HEAR BACK THERE? 14 ALL RIGHT. 15 MR. PALOMBO: THE CONTENT OP THE MOTION IS 16 VERY SPECIFIC IN SAYING A MAJOR COMMUNITY CENTER. 17 MR. LEWIS: FINE. 18 MR. BRIDGE: I THINK YOU HAVE NO FEAR ON IT. 19 IT'S TOO BEAUTIFUL A SITE. 20 MR. MAYOR: I THINK THE MOTION IS BROAD ENOUGH 21 THAT THOSE CONCEPTS CAN BE BROUGHT INTO IT. WE DO HAVE A FUTURE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING COMING UP. 23 WE DON'T HAVE A FIRM DATE YET. 24 MR. LAM: THE DATE WAS TENTATIVE, AND WE MUST 25 NOW EVALUATE THE PROGRAM TO ESTABLISH A FIRM DATE. 26 MR. MAYOR: SO, HOPEFULLY, NEXT WEDNESDAY, WE'LL 1 BE ABLE TO ANNOUNCE A DATE FOR THE NEXT CITIZENs ADVISORY 2 MEETING. IN THE MEANTIME, THE MOTION WILL HANDL, 4 THE GENERAL INTENT. ANy FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL 5 OR ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND 6 TO THAT PARTICULAR ACTION? 7 8 (NO RESPONSE.) MR. MAYOR: ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION POSED BY g MR. PALOMBo AND SECONDED BY MR. MIKELS. WOULD YOU REPEAT 10 IT AGAIN dUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE. MR. PALOMBo: THE MOTION IS THAT THE COUNCIL 12 AND STAFF SUGGEST TO THE CITy GENERAL PLAN CONSULTANT 13 THAT HE CONSIDER A REGIONAL CENTER LOCATED AT FOOTHILL 14 BOULEVARD AND 1-15 AND THE MAJOR COMMUNITY CENTER AT 15 FOOTHILL AND HAVEN, NORTHEAST CORNER AT FOOTHILL AND 16 HAVEN; AND THAT A DRAFT GENERAL PLAN BE DEVELOPED FOR 17 PUBLIc HEARING. 18 MR. MAYOR: THANK YOU. 0 THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SO SIGNIFy. ALL COUNCILMEN: AYE. 1 MR. MAYOR: OPPOSED? (NO RESPONSE.) MR. MAYOR: CARRIED, (OTHER MATTERs.) 68 1 STATE OF CALIFORNIA ) ) ss. 2 COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES ) 3 4 5 6 7 8 I,, SUSAN WILSON . · A 9 CERTIFIED SHORTHAND REPORTER AND NOTARY PUBLIC IN AND 10 FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA,, DO HEREBY CERTIFY: 11 THAT THE FOREGOING PROCEEDINGS WERE TAKEN 12 DOWN BY ME IN STENOTYPE AT THE TIME AND PLACE HEREIN STATE[ 13 AND THEREAFTER REDUCED TO TYPEWRITING UNDER MY DIRECTION. 16 DATED THIS ~J~ DAY OF 17 1980. 18 19 IN AND FOR THE 21 STATE OF CALIFORNIA 22 23 26 ......... : ........ ~