HomeMy WebLinkAbout1992/06/04 - Workshop Minutes - PC-HPCCITY OF RANCHO CUCAMONGA
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
Adjourned Meeting
June 4, 1992
Chairman McNiel called the Adjourned Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga
Planning Commission to order at 8:35 p.m. The meeting was held in the Rains
Room at the Rancho Cucamonga Civic Center, 10500 Civic Center Drive, Rancho
Cucamonga, California.
ROLL CALL
COMMISSIONERS:
PRESENT:
Larry McNiel, Suzanne Chitiea, John
Melcher, Peter Tolstoy, Wendy Vallette
ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT:
Laura Bonaccorsi, Landscape Designer; Brad Buller, City
Planner; Dan Coleman, Principal Planner; Steve Hayes,
Associate Planner; Dan James, Senior Civil Engineer;
Barbara Krall, Assistant Engineer; Otto Kroutil, Deputy
City Planner.
OTHERS PRESF~NT:
Steve Kabel, R and K Homes, Inc.; Loren Smets, The Smets
Architectural Group; Bill Humphrey and Mark Bertone,
Madole Engineers.
, , , , ,
PRE-APPLICATION REVIEW 92-03 - FU MAI LIMITED PARTNERSHIP - Review of the
conceptual site planning for a 25 acre site located west of Vineyard Avenue
between Foothill Boulevard and Arrow Route.
Brad Buller, City Planner, opened the workshop by explaining the purpose of
the Pre-Application review process and the history of its formation. He then
outlined the presentation procedures for the applicant and Commission and
presented a summary of the site history.
Steve Hayes, Associate Planner, presented an overview of the proposed site
plan and highlighted potential discussion topics for Commission consideration.
Loren Smets, Smets Architectural Group, addressed staff's issues as outlined
by Mr. Hayes. He shared the positive and negative aspects of alternative lot
design approaches (zero lot line, Z lot, etc.) and commented that the proposed
center plot, cluster approach made the most sense for this site. He indicated
that the common open space areas were planned around existing healthy native
tree areas and that the amount of common open space complies with the
requirements for single family development in the Low Medium Residential Zone,
where the proposed product type is normally found.
Mr. Buller again summarized staff's concerns.
Commissioner Melcher felt that if the project can be approved with private
streets and single family lots, then the single product type plotted centrally
on the lots was acceptable in this area. He asked if a 36-foot pavement width
was a minimum width requirement.
Dan James, Senior Civil Engineer, responded that a 36-foot pavement width is
required in order to allow vehicular parking on both sides of the street.
Commissioner Melcher suggested that the visitor parking spaces on the cul-de-
sac streets be deleted. He felt that the 35 percent common open space was not
intended for this product type and 10 percent was acceptable in this
situation. He liked the cul-de-sac street design and felt it was an
outstanding approach to planning the site. He suggested that the southerly
dogleg be at more of an angle, as the Arrow Route entrance appeared
"squeezed." He also felt vehicular parking should be limited to one side of
the vehicular spine street.
Commissioner Chitiea felt the product type and cul-de-sac street design had
merit, but the streets should be designed to meet the City's criteria for
local public streets. She stressed that open space should be common open
space equally accessible to all residents within the project. She favored the
variation of lot shapes along the cul-de-sac streets and the barbecue pits in
the common open space areas.
Commissioner Tolstoy agreed the streets could be private but he felt they
should be designed to meet current local public street standards. He also
liked the ' short cul-de-sac street design approach, creating small
neighborhoods within a neighborhood, and the barbecues in common open space
areas. He felt that the cul-de-sac streets need vehicular parking areas, the
streets should meander to a greater extent and the Arrow Route entrance should
be upgraded. He summarized by expressing his satisfaction with the site
planning approach, in that he thought it was a good solution for a difficult
property.
Commissioner Vallette shared similar comments relative to her acceptance of
the proposed product type, her concern that streets should be designed to
local public street standards, and the needed enhancement of the Arrow
entry. Overall, she felt the project had merit as proposed.
Chairman McNiel expressed his concern with the view created by having a
considerable number of garage doors in areas where homes are proposed to front
onto the vehicular spine. He suggested that some units could become attached
duplexes or zero lot line homes with shared driveways in these areas to break
up the garage door repetition. He observed that a "T" intersection may work
better in areas where tight radius curves are proposed. He agreed that the
cul-de-sac street design was an acceptable design approach and liked the
common open space design.
Mr. Buller summarized the Commission's comments by observing that they
supported the site planning approach if duplex or triplex unit plans for lots
that front the main vehicular spine are incorporated and all streets are
designed to meet local public street standards. He indicated the
Planning Commission Minutes -2- June 4, 1992
Commissioners had mixed feelings about the common open space requirement but a
variance could be processed to allow for the proposed reduction.
Otto Kroutil, Deputy City Planner, summarized the history behind the revised
multiple family development standards, stating that the common open space
percentage requirement was based on the assumption that multiple family
development would occur in the Medium Residential Zone.
Commissioner Tolstoy felt that flexibility should be considered in this
situation.
Mr. Buller closed by stating the Commissions consensus for upgrading the Arrow
Route vehicular entrance, undulating the central spine to a greater extent,
and the overall acceptance of the cul-de-sac street/unit cluster approach.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 9:15 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Brad Bullet-
Secretary
Planning Commission Minutes -3- June 4, 1992