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HomeMy WebLinkAboutHPC Min - Jan 7, 1988 s y. 1-29 .60 m • a ✓` x_ r CITY OF RANCHO. CUCAMONGA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES Regular Meeting 'anuary 7, 1 88 Vice Chairman .Bob Schimi dt call the Regular Meeting of the City of Rancho Cucamonga k'i toric Pr-a-servatimn Commission meeting 'yi order at, 7:00 P.M. The meeting was held at Lions Park Ccv 2unity 0nter, 9161 Base Line Road, Rancho Cucamonga, California. Vice Chairman Schmidt then led' in the pledge of 0 l egi ance ROLL CALL ` COiMrOSIOWERS; PRESENT. Marsha Barks, Gene Billings, ` Bob I Schmidt,, Marge Stauvi, Maxine Strane i COMMISSIONERS: ABSENT: Melicent Arner, Ada Cooper STAFF PRESENT: brad Sul l er, City Pl apner (arrived at 7:35 p.m.); f Larry Henderson, Senior Pl anner9 Paula Pachm,, Administrative Assistant; Rea Wideale Senior Office Assistant Kelly Orta, Historic Preservation_ Commission_Secretary. I ANNOUNCEMWS Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, nounr-ed that their was a memo i•ronc the Mayor dated December 30ih, con 3rning a Resolution relative to the Historic significance of Rancho Cr ,amonga's Tri-Community's Heritage, Even though it was not included it the packet, it was advised by Brad Buller, City Planner;, that this Item be taken up under Ommission Business. Commissioner Banks was ccncerned if this was done, if it would be in violation of the Browr Act. Larry Henderson advised her it was not, Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, announced that there would be a. letter forthco.Jing by City r aff concerning Community Development Block Grant monies and an application which is annually done through the City. Some of the money can be used on a narrow scope for H'-toric rehabilitation, such as for those projects which are already -Nli!tfible for the national Register, and for resident. al projects Where you go for a: rehabilitation loan where the housing is for low income people, with a maximum loan of $15,000. Historic Preservation -1 January %, 1988 Commission Minutes Commissioner Bangs 'questfoned -f the Chaffey Garcia House, not being a State Landmark. status and never :would 'be, but could be a, National status, would then t2 eligible for CDBG monies. Larry Henderson stated' that It was his understanding that if it di 1 not have *ate status,, it would not get National status. Commissionea Banks s' ;d that after talking to Lynn Marrow, this may not be the, case. L,- , ; Henderson, stated they: this was the information g;ven hfin by the City s consultant that handles Block Grants_. Commissioner Banks inquired whether Block Grant monev could be used for more surveying as far as identifying things within the City. Larry Henderson statO that he would check with staff handling Block Grant funds to see if this was possible and if there i s that kind of money available Commissioner Banks stated that, at this point, all that has been surveyed is structures. Commissioner Bank,, stated that other things need to be sucrveyed, such as former sitas, streetscapes, and landscapes. In regards to availability of loans, Commissioner Banks. questioned if it was not a loan, it does not have to beL repaid. It can be a grant Larry Henderson stated that he did not believe we wore doing grants for rehabilitation any longer, but strictly oti. a roan basis. Larry Henderson stated that for additional surveying; it Mould be a grant. Commissioner Banks questioned whether it would f;;rd identification of sites, such as pl acque program for Rancho rucamooga Landmarks. Larry Henderson stated he would look into that poa,sibil,it.,fi. Larry Henderson stated that he jSL receipt of an application for a modification to a Historic Landmark site, Cucamonga Chinatown site, A parcel map has bee►i applied for to divide off some of it. Tt does not affect- the structure at all and we will be scheduling it for public hearing at the February 4, 1988 meeting. We will no longer be going to the Commission to set public hearing. Cogmissioner Banks was concerned about being notified ahead of time of the public hearings. Kelly Orta stated that she would send a copy of the legal advertisement to the Commissioners for noti¢ c4tion of item and date to be heard. APpROV,19- OF MINUTES Motion: Moved by Commissioner Banks, seconded by CommissiLaer Strane to continue the Minutes from December 3, 1987 to February 4, 1588 since the copies submitted for review: were i ncompl otte. Historlr, Preservation 1.2 January 7 198E it Commission minutes I OLD BUSINEW i A. REQUEST F%° INFORMATION CONCERNING THE HISTORICAL/CULTURAL IFICW1' hSTRUCTURE LOCAT 5495 HERMEr, RANCHO GUCWffV (Continuedrom DecemSer 37 1987) Larry Hendersor, Senior Planner, stated that this was continued from December 3, 19,A7 to let the Commission have time to research :this f further to see if whether this structure had any historical significance. Larry :ewnderson Senior Planner, presented a, site plan on the gall f showing the location relative to the subdivision, which the Pla►ili , Commission is cvsidering. It is located on Lot 7 which has three' existing structures. The one on the corner is the only one proposed to be removed. Trey are going to be .removing the chicken coops and a barn. Thee+:�. a 1:5-foot widde horse trail which will bisect the new subdivisii,-n f. gj, existingstructures.. There will not t bel much.. of a visual continuity between the old versus the new. Cor�tissioner Banks questioned why they had to take that house out. If they are ; Ang to divide the old frem the nevi, what, do they intend to put on that site? Lar�y Henderson, Senior Planner, stated th8it ..he had that same question. He stated that is was not a requirem�eat of the City to remove the house. There hay- been no answer back yet fr�ow the owner. Even it is decided not be historic, he plans to ask the question. If it'. is a question that they think it needs to be upgraded or r cmodel ed, he would like to refer teem to Block Grant monies to do so. i'here is money left from last year to be used. This is aet°n'inis=tered through the County on a contract program for us. If this is the case and they just need skime money to help them fix it up, then tie would be glad to have them fix 'It up just from the stand point preserving some affordable mousing. Commissioner Banks stated she tioul d like to see some afforW-1 a housing that way, instead of demolition. Commissioner Banks stated she has driv,?m by this structure and It looks in good shape. Larry Henderson, ;'enior Planner, stated that he has nit been able to find out this after noon why they runt to take it down. He will try to do so. Com.-. signer Stamm stated that; the 'Cos;in ssi on should not act on this until they find out � y the deviel caper w3nt5 to take the structure down Commissionpr ranks stated that: this wps continued because Com(Assioner Arn9r wanted to investigate some more. Historic r�°eservatz on v3 Janvary 7 1988 Cow.ission Minutes Commissioner Arner has relaycd to Commission Banks that she has talked t` + vo H. ,chowal ter, who is the grRlndson of Jacob', who built the house somewhere around 1908-1913. It was not a chicken ranch,: but part of' a 1.10 acre citrus grove. The present Scho'wai ter that is alive, who is elderly, personally helped -,ar thf! 110 acres of the rocks. The family was part of the first Nsrtinite group that come to Alta Loma and were instrumental to more Min1nites moving 'here. On the west' side of Hermosa, which was also their preperty at the time, the Schowal terms donated the land for the sanitarium. It was thought to be a TB sanitarium. Commissioner Billings stated that this was a general sanitarium. In today`s terms, it was a convalescent type before it burned down. Commiissioner Stan questioned as to when it burned down. Commissioner Banks stated Commission Arner stated it was about 30 years ago. Commission Banks stated that three generations lived in the home. Jacob built it, his son lived there, then Don Schowal ter lived. there;. ' Nis, mother lived in the house was from a family who was also prominer;t in the Upland area. Commissioner Stamm :stated that she felt it was historical . Commissioner 'Banks stated that overall it has more significance then first thought. 9 Commission Banks stated that Commission Arner stated that she felt it should be heard as a public hearing. Commissioner Banks moved to set a public hearing for the Hi stori cal Local Landmark Designation of the Schowal ter House, 5495 Hermosa, Rancho Cuamonga and for staff to, mace sure the Developer will be there to answer any questions. Commissioner Strane seconded the ,motion. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: B_AWKS, BILLINGS, COOPER, SCHMIDT'., STAW1 .DOES., NONE ABSENT ARNER, COOPER carried B. ORDINANCE 70 - Modification to Ordinance 70 pertaining to the increase of-penalties. Historic Preservation -4 January, 7, 1988' Commission Minutes - - Commissioner Banks stated that the City Attorney has made it as :strong as possible. She needed clarification from staff as to the next step in the legal process,. Does the Conanission approve it, or ask that it be forwarded to the City Council? Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that if there were no corre, tZions or modifications that the Comwission wishes to make to the Ordinan, ?, the Commission may snake a motion to forward it to the City Council for action. Commissioner Stamm stated that this needs to get a good airing in the press so that the community is aware of what the tommis ion is doing. Commission Banks stated that this is very important. She stated that there 4e mre adherence to the Tree. Ordinance because of publicity on a violation. Commissioner Banks requested that staff prepare a Press Release to by put in the Daily Report. Commissioner Banks moved to forward Ordinance 70 pertaining to the increase of penalities to the CityCouncil for action. Commissioner C ssioner Billings seconded the motion. Motion carried by the following vote: AYES: BANKS, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, STAMM, STRANE NOES: NONE ABSENT: ARNER, COOPER -carried NEW BUSINESS C. UPDATE ON THOMAS ROCK MOUSE LOCATED AT 8926 SAN BERNARDINO ROAD Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the City was contacted on December 20, 1987, by a real estate representative representing the property owner listing the property as ;to whether or not This was a Historic 'Landmark and if it would have to be divulged in the sales agreement. After researching the files on both C1926 and 8936 San Bernardino Road, the records indicate that they are not historically significant. On April 2, 1987, the Commission determined that there was not sufficient evidence to designate a. Local Landmark, but there was a directive as part of the motion, that if there is additional infon'nation, it should be bF_.sght back before the Commission and possi 1y the public hearing would be re-opened. He interpreted this to be additional information in that they are moving forward with listing the structure.�t Heak knows of no other p h P potentially someone developing it and removingthe information whether or not it should be. .Historic Preservation -S January 7s 1988 Commission Minutes a Local Landmark. There is no#hing Oise in the files -stating it should be. He stated that -unless the Commission has first hand knowledge that would lead to designation, that staff be directed toinform the property owner°s agent that there is no, particular effort, need to be shout to praservethe structures. The property owner stated that there was only onto person that ever lived in it, It is ;dust, an old. house that was moved there and piled rock around it and made it a° tenant house. There Is nothing historic about it. Commissioner Banks, stated that it was hem recollection: that the house was built in the 1930's. The property ovmer stated' that it was molwed there during the, 1940's, probably 1949 or 1950. Commissioner° Hanks stated she did not recall discussing $936 San � Bernardino road, The property owner stated that 8926 Scan Bernardino .Read was the only one discussed. I Commissioner Stamp stated that 8926 was the only one discussed. Commissioner,- Billings stated -that the rock house was the only one discussed, Kelly Orta, Historic Preservation Secretary, distributed the c v i r,al' photographs to the Commission Commissioner Stamm stated that 8925 San Bernardino Road had a large, heavy item that was used on a buggy being used as a noodle past for the stairway. She stated that there is also some paneling on one side from one from. one of the old wine gents. She stated that Sally and Cliff' . Thomas built it. She stated that it was an Interesting house, Commissioner Banks asked Commissioner Stamm if there Mould; be anything in the house that could be salvaged and used someplace els. . Commissioner Stamp stated that she did not think so, She Stated that she did not feel that it was fair to take .something out of the house if it's a part of the house. Commission Banks questioned that even though they were both going to be destroyed. Commissioner Billings questioned if both were going to be destroyed, or just one. Historic Preservation -6 January 79 1968 Cemnission Minutes The property owner stated that they will probably both have to be destroyed because it Iis zoned for office space and: there is nothing to save. It was rebuilt in 1946 when Cliff came hack from the army. Commissioner Schmidt asked if there was any further discussion. Commissioner Dunks stated that ,she would like the Commission to be kept informyad as to when the houses are goirng to be torn down in (;:ase ` something ft'-om the houses could be saved. Shy, did not feel that the hove are architecturally significant. ,ommissioner Stan stated that if sorkgone ranted to go and see what they coul d do on thei r own. The property owner questioned what the action was. Commissioner Schmidt stated that no action to be taken. The property owner requested something in writing stated the Commission's action so that they may sell their property. Commissioner Schmidt stated that he did not think it war; being NOW up. The property owner stated that it was., He thought is was settled, but the agent said it was not. Commissioner Banks said that it was probably still red flagged. Commissioner Banks stated that the .Planning Division will be notified. Commissioner Billings moored that the Planning staff., in writing, inform the property owner through his agent that no specific Historic Preservation measures are necessary for this particular locatio^, Commissioner Banks si=conded the motion. Motion. carried by the following vote: AYES-.. BANKS, BILLINGS, SCHMIDT, STAMM, STRANE NOES. NONE ABSENT: ARNER, COOPER µ ��carPed D. DONATION OF WINERY EQUIPMENT Kelly Orta, Historic Preservation Commission Secretary, stated that she i• had the original photographs if the Commission wanted to look at theta. Historic Preservation -7 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes Commissioner 'Banks stated that she would register an objection. The equipment its from the Etiwanda. Winery', south of Foothill. The recommendation is that City accept it, for possible use by the Thomas Winery. The Chaffey Garcia House is on City property and does have plans for a barn to display fairm equipment. She would; like to see this stay in Etiwanda rather than going to Cucamonga. She thinks that the Thomas Winery has a a,reat deal of equipment. The Garrett Winery has a lot of -t�rlui;pment for display. She feels that Etiwanda is in need. Commissioner Strane stated that she felt that it should go along with the nacre recognition. Commissioner Banks stated that the property owner should be aware, that the Chaffey Garcia House exists, but he may riot be aware of how much land they have and that a itrarn is in the ultimate plans. Larry Henderson, S/eniar Planner, stated that Mr. Cnlombero does not care where the City pints °tt. He is just offering it free to tide City. He wants to get rid of it. Commissioner Schmidt askr:d Commissioner Banks what happened 'to Mrs. Lubke's ►!;neya,rd and -wimary equipment. Did she not want it to go to Etiwanda. ComAi.:ssioner Banks sili;ated that Etiwanda does not have any place to put it. Larry Henderson, Se►`Yi or Planner, stated that two things are going to have to happen if the Cormission feels that the equipment is wor:-) saving. The requ^.&t has to be forwarded to the City Council and have them formally accept it, since they are the only people to authorize by the government to accept the gift and that we need to find out where we can store the equipment until the location is ready. Commissioner S�xane stated that she thought there had been previous discussions abaut storing the items at the City yard. Commissioner Banks stated that it was very possible to -,;ore it inside the house. The house is gut ed' on the inside. It would not be a place to display it now, but just to store it. She will investigate the possibility of doing, this. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner stated that whatever help he could get on this would be great. Comrni,,sioner Banks stated she will tape, the picture to the Etiwanda Histfrical Society and bring the item up there. CoMmi ssi oner Banks moved that the Commission recommend to the City Council to accept the equipment on behalf of the City and it be put on permanent display at the Chaffey Garcia House and in the meantime, possibly displayed at another location. Core. I issioner Billings seconded the motion. Motion carried by the following vote: Histo,&ic Preservation - January 7, 1988 Cormttision Minutes fs AYES: BANK 4 BILLINGS', SCHMIDT, STAMM, .STPAK NOES: N 0�1! ABSENT: ARN15R, COOPER -carried E. PRIORITI2lNG OF HISTORIC Pf` gVATION SURVEY LIST Commissioner Banks stated by discussing the properties individually, It would take forever°. Everyone has their feeling as to what; is most , important. She prQpo:�.ed that the Commission start with the T'emi4;brary ranking and the first items would be the items with a Nationa latate ranking. When those items are finished, tinen move on to the items 1411th a Local ranking. Then proceed with the ones that have received a preliminary no because they will probably not have sign I fi canow. Ste proposed that the Commission should take so many per night and take from each community (Alta Loma, Cucamonga, Etiwanda). She questioned as to how many a night should be heard. Commissioner Billings stated that not having experience in this, lie did not know. Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission usually only has one. Larry linden.n, 'Senior Planner, asR q.d if the Commission was referring t€s public hearings-. Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission should decide at tonight's meeting which ones would, he set for public hearing. She stated that she thought that as long as it said �atfortal State or Local, they will warrant public hearing status She stated that once the Commission gats to the No Status, the Commission will have a tot of discussion and mafybe: one out of every ten would be set for public hearing. Commissioner Stamm questioned whether it would be easier to divide the list up among the Commission to review and report back on theme. She questioned on how this was going to be done. She questioned if the Commission was going to go back on the originals with photographs„ Commission Banks stated that because of the number, there will be a lot of public hearings. She stated that was why she though it would be better to divide it tip by communitie!;. She stated that w#aen the public hearing has been set, the file can be pul l ed and the application completed. Commissioner .Stamm stated that that would make it 'a lot shorter than i trying to remembers f [ }historic Preservation -9 January 7, Ir'� 9 Commissions Minutes Commissioner Banks stated that the responsibility should ber divided up 4 once 3 t has, been set for public hearing. Then the Commissioner would' be in charge of presentf i?)g a file to the. C;orivni ssion Commissioner $twwo x1a.estioned as to how the Commi ss on would make their decision, 9,0 qiievitioned as to vyat kind of ;dive and take is there goi ng to be, Paula Pachon, questioned how this would duffer from what has already occurred with the Commission through the review. Commissioner Banks stated that there are biases on the Commission. She stated her bias is that she thinks everything should be saved. She stated that there are other biases that nothing should be saved. She stated that things she looked at always said it got a ranking. She stated that things another- group looked at never got a ranking. She stated that when that wouluk come before the Commission by a vote of 3-2, it could flip-flop one way or another. She stated that when the Commission reviewed it, all of the Commission was not involved in it. .She stated that she was the only Commissionmember involved the review of Eti:wanda. Paul Pachon, Aaministrative Assistant, stated that if you do that again, the Commission will still have their biases and still only have one or two looking at an area, instead of the full Comission. She stated that it was her understanding .at the time the survey was started, that the Commission would come back and then as a full Comission review the structure. Commissioner Banks stated that to the extent, that something is set for a. public hearing, she usually tries to do some investigation on her own., She stated is may not be as extensive as a Commissioner that has a strong interest in that property, but she always tries to drive by. Commissioner Stamm stated how long it was going to take for a publ i c hearing. Commissioner Banks stated that it would probably tame forever. Vhe stated that this was why the ranking was needed, to get at the ones that are important now. Commissioner ,Stamm stated that. what Commissioner Banks was a stating' was to go over the whole survey again, even though the ranking has already been done, Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, , stated that one thing to look is that the list is not unchangea�,ve. lit- stated the poss> bility exists that there are properties notsurveyed t%dt need to be added to the list. He suggested that the Commission tak one from each of the three community areas at a National State level first, one per month, with a total of three public hearings per month for possible with for recommendation. He stated that this would be in the best interest " Historic Preservation -1'0 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes because of staffing. He stated that the exception to this would be a p;rioperty aovimer wanting to do Something to his property that the U mission knew was on the list and it would be moved up eight away. Commissioner .Banks g0est.ioned if it was just one public hearing per month. Larry Henders6m, Sen or Planner, stated that there would be one from each community area, which would make three per month. Commissioner Ooks stated. that this was the kind of feedback the Commission needed to verify the number which could be heard per month. She questioned that frm a staffing standpoint if about three is the maximum. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that he would feel comfortable with that because of the other things that need to be handled. Commissioner Banks stated that this kind of Information is important to the Commission so that they would not overburdemn staff so other areas are slighted. Larry Henderson, Senior planner, stated' that hz would' not like the Commission to get agendas ++here the Commission has all of these public hearings plus any brush fires. He stated that if there was an opportunity to move things up and do more, then it will be done. Commissioner Billings stated that after the Commission gets into it, the Commission will find out how they are going. He stated that the Commission might find that they can handle two per area. Commissioner Hanks stated that once the Commission gets to the stational State, the Commission will probably r^ecom=nend all of them for Landmark status. She stated that when the Commission gets to Local she felt there wodld be fewer to recommend. She stated that she will probably be off the Goinission before the Ahole list is; reviewed, Site hated that it will he a long process. She stated that the Commission has accomplished the flagging of the items within the Planning Department, so nothing can happen to them. Commissioner Stamm stated that the Commission will probably never get around to the No's. Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission will if something is going to happen to that property. f Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that maybe the Commission would (f feel more comfortable with an "Undetermined" ranking instead cf No. f Commissioner Banks stated that she would Feel a lot more comfortable I( with. that.. 6 I Historic Preservation -11 January 7, 1988 P Commission Minutes r I Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that the Planning Department will soon have a complete computer planning module. He stated there is a spot in that computer program that has Historic information.. Be stated that staff is working on apt abbreviated format to indicate; 1) was it surveyed, 2) 'if it was surveyed, is it potential Local,, State, S) if it was designated Local, State. He stated that this way the Planner knows it is flagged on the computer screen. He stated that it would be better to rank it Undetermined ' nstea.d of No. Commissioner Banks stated that this has been an on-going battle since the survey first started. She stated that both Commissioners that were there were uncomfortable with the status of No. - She stated that she would very much like to see "Undetermined" used. Commissioner Strane stated that she Mould also like to see 'it as "Undetermined". Commissioner Banks stated thy the Commission has voted twice on a Resolution stating that the Commission will review every property as a Commission to give status. She stated that this has not been done. Commissioner Stamm suggested that the Commission start with the National State. She suggested tatting stational State as a public hearing, then taking local as a public hearing and then take what's heft. Commissioner Banks stated that she agreed that the Commission should look at all National States first. She stated that once the Commission has exhausted the one from each community a might,. the Commission has a lot left from oile community, then the Commission will hear three from that community a might.. She stated that part of the report said that went to the state was that it 0, `n't have Local LanOlmark status, but it will shortly. She states that the Commission is not following through on that. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that they would probably be taken by the rank by community. Commissioner Banks stated that it sounded find 'to take three a night, unless there was a special request from one of the fommissiondrs that they wound like one considered before another. Cc."= ssioner Banks stated that the Covinission would not be starting from scratch. She stated that there are files, pictures, etc, so the G Commission has a lot to go on when the Commission does their i application. i Commissioner Schmidt asked if there was any more discussion. Commissioner Banks stated that once staff selects the sites, maybe they could select two or three months at a time so that the Commission could pick up files. Historic Preservation -12 Jamtary 7, 1988 Commission Minutes Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, stated that staff could write out a schedule. Brad Buller, City Planner., stated; that staff could go a six month or even write out the whole schedule. Commissioner Banks stated that whatever staff could come tap t4th, then the Commission could have a game plan. Commissioner Schmidt stated that the schedule would not be set in concrete. Commissioner Banks , oved that the Commission direct staff to set a minimum of three public hearings per meeting to consider, landmark status , for those items on the Co-mission's Designated Potential Histcrical Site List and the selection of the public hearings be first by ranking, first by N€.i.ional State and second by Community (Alta Loma, Etiwanda, Cucamonga) and other than that, the selection be at staff's still . Commissioner Stamm seconded the motion. Motion was carried by the .following vote AYES: BANKS, BILLINGS, SCHMIDTr STA 03, STRANE NOES: NONE .ABSENT. ARNER, COOPER --carried Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that as a follow-up to the actisin,. because of recruitment for the new position that, will be the primary staff to this Commission since they will be the one researching, presenting, the closing deadline is January loth, hoer soon does the Commission anticipate that these public hearings would start. He stated that from staff's prospective,, staff was looking more toward theMarch meeting. Commissioner Banks stated that she thought that would be fine. She stated that she felt the Commission had a lot of work to do at the next meeting. She stated that the 'new staff needs to be brought up to date on things that have been in progress that have not been completed. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that either at the March; meeting or April meeting, depending on how recruitment goes. Commissioner Banks stated that what staff could do is bring the projected schedule to the February meeting, Historic Preservation -13 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes COMMISSION BUSIKESS Kelly ' Orta, Historic Preservation Commission Secretary, stated that there are file cabinets tend ;cook cases for Historic Preservation items. She stated that there Is a library` in the Pl arni ng Division if the Commission would like to incorporate their items Cato it. Commissioner Billings stated that he has turned over some documents 'to Kelly Orta,, Secretary, that were his mother's records. He stated that it is the article written by Nancy ot,.la, pictures of first Founder's Day Parade with: the Albert Buggy. He stated that he would rather have them in the files instead of his own pos^ession. Paula. Pachon, Administrative Assistant, stated that, at the December meeting, the Commission directed staff to bring the cactus located in Rancho Cucamonga for Landmark, consideration. She stated that she has found it very difficult to find any expert ir the field that could give her some additional information. She stated that she was bringing this to the Commission for some additional direction. She stated that the material she has to go before City Council is only that we have a large cactus. She stated that she has not been abl a to get a hold of the gentlemen that is listed as an expert from Cal Pc-ffy. She stattkd that he has not returned her calls or does not get hi$ messages. Commissioner St.rane questioned if this was on the Night-lal oom ng Cactus; Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that. Paula Pachon m;ght try the Botanical Gardens in Claremont, a John Dorly. i Commissioner Stamm stated that the minutes read that the property owner I withdrew his application. Commissioner Banks stated that the Commission overrode the withdrawal . Paul Pachon, _administrative Assistant, stated that she still has three sets of the glasses distributed at the Ground Breaking ceremonies for the three Commissioners that did not receive theirs. She stated that if the Commissioners did not receive theirs, to let her know. Commissioner Billings questioned as to the action ;being taken by the City Council on the four Commission terms that are up, Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that he is organizing it for the City Council.. He stated that was is policy established with the re- Historic Preservation -14 January 7, 1988 Com. fission Minutes appointment of the CAC members and Planning Commission, that when the terms are up, the City interviews not only the Coomissionars whose teen. are up, but they, open it up to the public. He stated that in. this case, there is 12 applicants,, including the 4 whose terns are up. He stated that what this gives the Council is not only interested citizens, but also possible liiks to more involvement ". other areas. He stated that they will be inte-viewing on the 1.4th of January. Conxnissioner Billings stated that he did notice that one other City was i handling it the same way. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that there will be a series of questions asked for even those 0.o_ are seeking re-appointment. He stated the sub-committee is made up of Mayor Stout and Council'member , Wright, as well as himself. Commissioner Banks stated that they needed to Discuss the Mayor's Resolution. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that he receivekl it in the mail.. He stated that the Commiss) in could read it tonight at d he did not hear an urgency that the Commission had to take action on it tonight. He stated that the Connrission might want to have a preliminary discussion and give staff some direction ds to whether the Commission would like some additional background or if the Commission would like to submit something to staff within the next few weeks that staff may compile it and bring it back. He suggested that the Commission might want to jot their comments on a separate piece of t per and send them to staff. Staff will then compile them and bring them back in a report. Conmissioner Billings stated that for the type of Resolution the Mayor has, it does not need to be �-A lengthy. Commissioner Barks stated that in Etiwanda, it was known that it was one of the first communities started by the Chaffey Brothers, that it is older than Ontario, that it was started as a grape Industry, that it is the site of the first electric 'light crest of kocky's and: the first long distance telephone call in the world. She stated that she knew the background on ashy the Cormission was getting the Resolution and the reason for this Resolution is that there was a commitment made to the incorporators of our City that the three communities would retain their identity. She stated that therF, is now a movement to forget those three communities. She stated that there are valid reasons why we need the name Rancho Cucamonga. She stated that there was a commitment that the three communities would retain their post offices, but Etiwanda ha= lot theirs. Etiwanda no longer has a postmark. Commissioner Stain stated that she thought that was the understandinfl you would key zi ,� your p code period. i Historic Preservation -15 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes. I Com:'issioner Banks stated, that she thought they were goi ±q to keep their Postmark. She stated that Etiwanda has to pay $15.00 if 'they want to be known 'as Etiwanda in the phonebook. She stated that this Resolution is a result of that, to re-affirm that there are three historic communities: and that they have validity historically, if not commercially in a modern world today. Commissioner Billings stated that he has been contacted by three citizens wanting to know what the Historic Preservation. Commission is going to do to counter this move on the telephone company. He stated that they are very adamant about it and tlrey are not all Alta Loma. Commissioner Banks stated that the people she has talked to are in Alta Loma and they are very upset about it, r Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that what staff can do with the Corinissioners that are missing is to following it up with a short memo to fill them in if this is the procedure the Co mmission amni`ssion want t P s o fol l ow. CommissiGner Stamm questioni:4. what could be said about Alta Loma. Commissioner Billings stated that Alta Loma originated from the two colonies and upuir railroad coming through, two entities could not agree on a name, so a vote was taken and Alta Loma won by one vote. Brad Buller, City Planner, stated that staff will inform the other Commissioners and if the Commission has the time to pit something in writing, staff will briny; the comments back in a report at the next meeting and try to compile it az that time. He reminded the Commission that Resolutions are not lengthy. Commissioner Banks questioned if Commissioner Strane or Commission Cooper would be best to do for Cucamonga. Commissioner Strane stated that she thought Commissioner Cooper would be the best. Strad Buller, City Planner, announced that he was late because he is still working on the Thomas Winery. He stated that he was at Desicm Rev ew and about an hour into the discussion when he had to leave to com. to the Commission meeting. He stated that is was going well. He stated that vhe landscape treatment is coming along well. He stated that they are retaining the vineyards with more sophist 4ated landscaping at the street. He stated that the architecture of the winary itself in still intact. He stated that the discussion have been around the perimeter buildings and details. He stated that it is expected to possibly to go the Plan, ag Commission on January 270 He stated that he will not know for sure until he gets back to the meet; `g Historic Preservation —16 January 7;, 1988 Commission Minutes Commissioner Billings questioned whether the; were threatening to back out, Brad Buller, City Planner, state., that the developer was indicated that: he would da anything to stay on schedule. Larry Henderson, Senior Planner, wanted to bring to the Commission's attention regarding the rchowalter Mouse,, it is important for the Commission to know th4t the parcel map in question will be reyl,ewed by the Planning Commission on January 15, 1988. He stated that he would talk to Brad Buller, City Planner, on a condition of approval on the map dealing the historic stature or ,ask the Planning Commission to continue , it until the Historic Preservation Commission has its hearing or. Landmark Designation., ADJOURNWW Option; Moved by Commissioner Schmidt, seconded by Commissioner Billings, unanimously carried, to adjourn to the February 4, 1988 meeting convening at 7:00 p.m. 8:05 P.M. — Historic Preservation Commission R6 essed Re�pectfuTTy submitted, f r t elly Qua iilMtoric Preservation Commission Secretary I I , f I 0 d Historic Preservation -17 January 7, 1988 Commission Minutes